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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,06:30) Hi CO,
The ALL that Paul wrote too were saved.
God is building that unity into the Body of Christ.
Paul's letters were not written to the unsaved and deceived masses.
Nick what about that statement that Jesus made..God send His Son to save all mankind.
John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to comdemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. So as long as we except the Son we have the Father and we are saved.
Do we have to be born again, yes.
What a wonderful God we have that send His only begotten Son into the world to save Mankind. If Mankind only would except Him. Some do not.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,07:46) Hi Mrs,
All are invited to the wedding feast.
Some are too busy or have other plans.
I agree that Door will shut soon.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,06:30) Hi CO,
The ALL that Paul wrote too were saved.
God is building that unity into the Body of Christ.
Paul's letters were not written to the unsaved and deceived masses.
Hi Nick,
Matt.15:24 Jesus for the “lost sheep of the house of Isreal”. (Jews)
Ro.15:8 Jesus for the circumcision. (Jews)
Ro.15:16 Paul for the nations. (Gentiles)
Acts 13:47 For thus the Lord has directed us: I have appointed Thee for 'a light to the Nations ; for thee to be for salvation as far as the limits of the earth.' ” (Paul speaking)…salvation as far as “the limits of the earth”. Doesn't sound like only to the saved??? My dictionary defines “all” as not limiting to a few.
Blessings.
Hi CO,
Rom 157Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received US to the glory of God.
8Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
Certainly the message was sent to the gentiles and the hope was that they would join the kingdom.
Read of Paul's visit to Athens in Acts 17 and see how few responded to the call to become one of US.
Have you joined US yet?Quote (chosenone @ Mar. 13 2008,10:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,06:30) Hi CO,
The ALL that Paul wrote too were saved.
God is building that unity into the Body of Christ.
Paul's letters were not written to the unsaved and deceived masses.
Hi Nick,
Matt.15:24 Jesus for the “lost sheep of the house of Isreal”. (Jews)
Ro.15:8 Jesus for the circumcision. (Jews)
Ro.15:16 Paul for the nations. (Gentiles)
Acts 13:47 For thus the Lord has directed us: I have appointed Thee for 'a light to the Nations ; for thee to be for salvation as far as the limits of the earth.' ” (Paul speaking)…salvation as far as “the limits of the earth”. Doesn't sound like only to the saved??? My dictionary defines “all” as not limiting to a few.
Blessings.
chosenone Welcome back, have not seen you post for awhile.
Yes, all that will answer His call. But not all will do so.Peace and Love Mrs.
Thank you, Mrs. for welcoming me back. I will try to be brief in all my messages.
I do believe that scripture says “All mankind will be saved.” I know I am one of a very few who believe this, but, I cannot help what I believe. Contrary to orthadoxy, I do not believe that we have 'free will'. God says in Eph.1:11 -in Him (Jesus) in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will, that we should be for the laud of His glory, who are pre-expectant in the Christ.
So if God is operating ALL according to his will, do you think mankind can thwart Gods will with our will? If so, then our will is stronger than Gods will! What do you think?Blessings.
Hi CO,
I have done a scripture search and
“”All mankind will be saved.”
Does not appear anywhere.I think you may be confused.
Hi Nick, try a new search engine! 1Tim 4:9-11 …that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
Hi CO,
Indeed God is the source of all that men need.
He sends His rain on the just and unjust alike.
Who would ignore his saving message?Hi CO,
SAVIOUR
Number 4990
Transliteration:
soter {so-tare'}
Word Origin:
from 4982
TDNT:
7:1003,1132
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
Saviour 24Total: 24
Definition:
saviour, deliverer, preserver The name was given by the ancients to deities, esp. tutelary deities, to princes, kings, and in general to men who had conferred signal benefits upon their country, and in more degenerate days by the way of flattery to personages of influenceEternal salvation is what we need.
It is not given to those who rebel.Romans 8:8 Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.
Romans 8:28-32 28 Now we are aware that God is working all together for the good of those who are loving God, who are called according to the purpose
29 that, whom He foreknew, He designates beforehand, also, to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren.
30 Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also.
31 What then, shall we declare to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
32 Surely, He Who spares not His own Son, but gives Him up for us all, how shall He not, together with Him, also, be graciously granting us all?
“Free will”?Blessings.
May I post this interesting article…
Our salvation is not out of ourselves. We do not possess it because we have done this or that in order to acquire it. Consequently, boasting is debarred (Rom.3:27). This is because we are God’s achievement. “For His achievement are we” (Eph.2: 10a). We are saved because we are God’s achievement. It is just that simple and this is fully the truth.
The word “achievement,” is poiˆma (DO-effect). We are the product of God’s doings. It is only unbelief that will seek to modify this or to explain it away. This unbelief is due to the deceptive influences of the worldly philosophy known as free will. We do not care for the fact that we ourselves, who effect much evil and some good, are the product of God’s own doings.
God, however, is able to operate in us, to will and to work for the sake of His delight (Phil.2:13), so that we think of these matters continually, and in a profitable and uplifting way. As those who are God’s achievement, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, ones which God Himself prepared beforehand, there is no possibility but that we should be walking in them. Indeed, since the subjunctive, “should,” in this case, points us only to God, the good works to which it refers are just as certain to be accomplished as would be the case had the indicative “shall” been used instead.
May God grant us a foretaste of the superabundant and transcendent good works of the future in a measure of good works even now, even if the best of these should be totally eclipsed when compared to our labors to come, during the oncoming eons, when we are conformed to the image of God’s Son and seated together among the celestials (Rom.8:29; Eph.2:6).
“Lest anyone should be boasting”—lest we ourselves should artfully contrive some way to look to and lean upon the flesh—we would glory only in God and in His Christ. We are saved in grace through faith, faith being an assumption, based upon God’s own word, concerning what is already true prior to and apart from our conviction in it. “For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them” (Eph.2:10).* “thanks,” literally, is “grace”
Hi CO,
The US Paul speaks of is not the heathen nations
but the reborn children of God empowered by grace.Hi Nick, not sure what you are trying to say. Could you give some scripture where I can see to what you are refering too?
Blessings.
Hope I'm not imposing on space in this forum, but I would like to post another interesting article. I would appreciate all opinions. Thank you.
THE GRACE OF GOD IN TRUTH
The words of our Lord in Luke 6:32-35 give us an illuminating illustration of true grace: “If you are loving those loving you, what grace* is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them. And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what grace is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same. And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what grace is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent. Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.”
Grace is that which is not out of works (Rom.11:6), which exists in order to bring joy and blessing to its beneficiaries (cp charis, JOY, “grace”; charisma, JOY-EFFECT, “grace”; chara, JOY, “joy”).
While Grace is not partial (sinfully preferential), it is nonetheless purposeful. Any gracious gift, then, that is not intended for all, through its very purposefulness, necessarily excludes those for whom it is not designed, as much so as would be the case if its motivation were that of partiality.
“Grace” refers to God’s work or action of grace, the work which He does for us and in us, as a favor or gracious gift. As ordinarily used, the expression “God’s grace” is a figure of speech. It is a metonymy (figure of association) for “God’s work of grace,” in reference to whatever gracious gift may be in view. That is, literally, grace is not an action, but the character of an action.
The grace of God is effective, for it, like everything else, only exists according to God’s own intention and purpose (Eph.1: 11; Rom.9:19; Isa.46:10,11). Indeed, it is the saving grace of the Almighty God (Titus 2:11; Rev.11:17).
Consequently, then, since it is effective, grace is a causal entity. This entails the necessary and inevitable existence of its achievements. That is, Grace cannot fail.
Grace is not a wage or requital in response to service or cooperation (Rom.4:4). Instead, it constitutes a favor. Grace acts in order to bless. It does not offer to bless, but actually effects blessing. Therefore, at the deepest level, grace always initiates, out of its own intrinsic virtue. Though it responds to need, it is never under extrinsic obligation to do so and can never be put under such obligation.
Our God is in the heavens: He has done whatsoever He has pleased (Psa.115:3; cp Psa.135:6). Though He loves His creatures and provides for them ideally, He is never beholden to them. “For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser? or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid him? seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!” (Rom.11:36).
“The word of the truth of the evangel . . . is bearing fruit and growing . . . [in] you . . . ,” “from the day on which you hear and realized the grace of God in truth” (Col.1:5,6).Thank God, I AM A SINNER SAVED BY GRACE!
Blessings.
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