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Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,07:37) Great list there JustAskin of disagreements that have resulted in past christian schisms. The full list is massive, of course, and the events have left us with 39,000 disagreeing denominations (and counting). Which one do you think the Judeo-christian god believes in?
I'm going for the Amish. I think they are the only ones likely to make it onto the 144,000-seater bus to heaven.
Stuart
haha,
im sorry that made laugh…!
haha,
Oh GoshQuote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,14:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,14:24) So I believe that Atheism will continue to grow as long as Christianity continues to spread in fractions.
Yup. That's the good news.Stuart
In some cases it will be good because people will believe that they have the ability to believe in anything they want including disbelief and from there it's a quantum jump and any one taking that Jump will find God not as a belief but as a knowing and they will experience God as a Qualitive difference not just a Quantity expression. I purposely went through Atheism to find if God was real or not and it was like going through the rabbit hole.Most here have not discovered God they just talk about God from what they heard or what they have been taught but unless you are brave enough to be a skeptic, brave enough to question, brave enough to throw it all away to see if it is all realy real then you have not even discovered or experienced God.
Finding God does not require a Bible, Quran, Preacher, Sermon or anything else Finding God is based upon honest and sincere inquiry.
And let me make it clear that I have NEVER been dissatisfied with God I simply studied and studied and studied and then I questioned myself “How do I know that this is right or how does this prove to me that God exists?” and I kept searching and believing and experiencing good in all sorts of people who believed in God according to their own understanding and yet many condemned others for understanding God the way they did.
So I started from scratch and God did the rest
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,13:37) Great list there JustAskin of disagreements that have resulted in past christian schisms. The full list is massive, of course, and the events have left us with 39,000 disagreeing denominations (and counting). Which one do you think the Judeo-christian god believes in?
I'm going for the Amish. I think they are the only ones likely to make it onto the 144,000-seater bus to heaven.
Stuart
None of them Stu.The Church is the body of Christ which is a spiritual body is certainly not a physical organisation or business. Of course the world is the world and physical mindedness cannot fathom spiritual things, so teh world just applies physical things to things that are spiritual. In addition to that, governments and certain people of power take advantage of those with faith to try and steer that faith toward them instead of God. The RCC is proof of that. There was once an empire based in Rome. This empire was in danger of breaking up but found a common thread called Christianity which they infiltrated to try and unite the empire. History records these events in detail. This new Christianity rode on the back of the beast and eventually the Holy Roman Empire emerged which later lived on as the RCC, which is of course based on Rome. However such things are just worldly politics that are designed to keep some in power of which they still to this day have power over 1 billion souls world-wide.
So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I myself try to look at things for what they are without bias because to see clearly is much better than to see what you want to see. I have a personal faith in God that has resulted in being shown things that I cannot deny even if I wished too. God is real and I can testify to that. I could tell you things that you would probably never believe if I told you. But suffice to say, I am patient and know what happens to men after they die. So we will all know the truth then, and if men do not want to know before that, then that is their choice.
Many people are simply not deep enough to see how easily people can be manipulated. e.g., if you don't like an organisation, then you could join it and steer it toward the direction that you prefer. You could do evil in the name of that organisation and then watch everyone hate that organisation. It is very easy to do and people do not normally delve deep enough but will believe what they want to satisfy their biases.
If you look at what the Church (body of Christ) is truly about and compare to the history of the RCC, they don't line up one bit. The RCC is completely the opposite to the Church.
Most are so simple minded that they cannot see how such manipulation works and that suits them because of their biases. But an honest man who seeks truth will not be disappointed and in the end we will all stand before God to be judged. For some that will be a great day as it will be a reward for the good work and good character they have. For others it will be a time of great shame when their deeds and secrets of the heart are exposed in the light.
The real battle on Earth is for mens souls. Many have been caught in the net of the deceiver and others have willingly been caught in the harvest of God. Like a wheat field, it grows with the tares (weeds) and at harvest day, the wheat is gathered and the weeds are cast away to be burned (destroyed).
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,09:35) For instance T8 will not accept this proof that ED J said he was God Quote Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, that (Ed J) your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.This is proof because if you look at both parenthesis they are directly intertwining God and ED as being the same being
ED J is calling himself God of Gods and a revealer of secrets because he thinks he revealed a mystery of the number 3.68421052631578947
Read it again Bod.It could mean that God is EDj's God, who is YHWH. I mean that is how I see it. I could be wrong though.
The only way to know for sure is to ask EDj directly if he is the Almighty God. If he says yes, then I will gladly remove him from posting in the Believers Area section.
You could ask him directly here or in a topic dedicated to him in member Profiles.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,15:19) I purposely went through Atheism to find if God was real or not and it was like going through the rabbit hole.
You went through not believing in your Imaginary Friend to find out whether it is real or not? It was real for you the whole time you were questioning it, then.Had you actually been atheist you would understand the question “What god?”
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,18:46) You went through not believing in your Imaginary Friend to find out whether it is real or not? Stuart
Very funny Stu
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2010,17:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,09:35) For instance T8 will not accept this proof that ED J said he was God Quote Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, that (Ed J) your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.This is proof because if you look at both parenthesis they are directly intertwining God and ED as being the same being
ED J is calling himself God of Gods and a revealer of secrets because he thinks he revealed a mystery of the number 3.68421052631578947
Read it again Bod.It could mean that God is EDj's God, who is YHWH. I mean that is how I see it. I could be wrong though.
The only way to know for sure is to ask EDj directly if he is the Almighty God. If he says yes, then I will gladly remove him from posting in the Believers Area section.
You could ask him directly here or in a topic dedicated to him in member Profiles.
Hi T8,I believe I should have inserted the parentheses here instead…
This insight was given to me to strengthen ‘your belief’ in my God, YHVH!
Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, that (Ed J) your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,10:14) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 25 2010,08:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,04:13) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 24 2010,19:12) And in my opinion theres a couple of people in believers who should be banned. Alot is ignored. Alot not even known. But Bod, you can hurt people too.
You should express what you mean, you don't have to name names but please explain what some of these people say or do
Wolves in sheeps clothing.
That's what I just told someone else, you must see what I see but the question is does T8 care about those wolves in sheeps clothing?
Bod, wolves work in packs, it starts with one, they find another, then they look for more, then they tear down and destroy, BUT they appear FINE, they appear KIND, gentle, but any moment when they feel angry then they attack, often where no-one can see (eg – pm) who would know what happened, only if that persons faith is strong, and only if that person can turn to God as to how to react to the situation will they overcome such things.People can appear wonderfull, but watch for them.
And be carefull that you dont become lured in by their posts, and slowly unknowingly decieved into believing as they do, sharing the same spirit as they do, because thats what happens. Iv seen it.
I don't know why I'm telling you this bod, you dont even go up there !
EdJ is fine, hes a bit confused and needs some help, but I don't believe he would pull down and destroy,
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2010,17:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 25 2010,09:35) For instance T8 will not accept this proof that ED J said he was God Quote Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, that (Ed J) your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.This is proof because if you look at both parenthesis they are directly intertwining God and ED as being the same being
ED J is calling himself God of Gods and a revealer of secrets because he thinks he revealed a mystery of the number 3.68421052631578947
Read it again Bod.It could mean that God is EDj's God, who is YHWH. I mean that is how I see it. I could be wrong though.
The only way to know for sure is to ask EDj directly if he is the Almighty God. If he says yes, then I will gladly remove him from posting in the Believers Area section.
You could ask him directly here or in a topic dedicated to him in member Profiles.
Hi T8,I believe I should have inserted the parentheses here instead…
This insight was given to me to strengthen ‘your belief’ in my God, YHVH!
Dan.2:47 …Of a truth it is, (Ed J) that your God is God of gods, and LORD of kings,
and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal (3.68421052631578947) this secret.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgt8
Quote The Church is the body of Christ which is a spiritual body is certainly not a physical organisation or business. Of course the world is the world and physical mindedness cannot fathom spiritual things, so teh world just applies physical things to things that are spiritual.
You think you have the monopoly on the word “spiritual”? I think spirituality is appreciation of one’s place in the universe, and as I base my view of my own place in the universe on things that can be reasonably established as true, I would assert that I am more spiritual than a god-believer. It is an impoverished spirit that must insist it is a virtue to believe things that are not supported by physical evidence or even are consistent with it.Quote In addition to that, governments and certain people of power take advantage of those with faith to try and steer that faith toward them instead of God.
You mean like all the dictatorships that some mindlessly refer to as “atheist”? As you suggest, they are asserting their communist or fascist or whatever ideology that cannot compete with the god belief they must suppress. It is just as important to oppose mindless anti-human ideologies as it is to oppose mindless anti-human god beliefs.Quote The RCC is proof of that. There was once an empire based in Rome. This empire was in danger of breaking up but found a common thread called Christianity which they infiltrated to try and unite the empire. History records these events in detail. This new Christianity rode on the back of the beast and eventually the Holy Roman Empire emerged which later lived on as the RCC, which is of course based on Rome. However such things are just worldly politics that are designed to keep some in power of which they still to this day have power over 1 billion souls world-wide.
Well I think you and I might agree that the RCC is a blight on humanity. However, without them and the Romans, and Constantine in particular I don’t think you would be having this conversation now. The recent polls in the UK of British Catholics that show they pretty much ignore the pope on most issues, and especially those to do with reproductive rights, indicate that they pretty much ignore him when it suits them.Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane. If you really think that true Christians do not lie then maybe it is just you who is the real christian.Quote I myself try to look at things for what they are without bias because to see clearly is much better than to see what you want to see. I have a personal faith in God that has resulted in being shown things that I cannot deny even if I wished too.
You don’t appear to see the contradiction that exists between those two sentences.Quote God is real and I can testify to that. I could tell you things that you would probably never believe if I told you. But suffice to say, I am patient and know what happens to men after they die. So we will all know the truth then, and if men do not want to know before that, then that is their choice.
That cannot possibly be true. I think you are exactly the same as the RCC in that you claim to know the unknowable in order to influence others.Quote Many people are simply not deep enough to see how easily people can be manipulated.
Do you believe yourself to be beyond manipulation when it comes to supernatural beliefs? Do you know the workings of your own brain well enough to really be confident about that?Quote e.g., if you don't like an organisation, then you could join it and steer it toward the direction that you prefer. You could do evil in the name of that organisation and then watch everyone hate that organisation. It is very easy to do and people do not normally delve deep enough but will believe what they want to satisfy their biases.
So you figure if you dissociate yourself from “organisations” then you will not have to be associated with the damage they do that robs their members of their credibility? Your association with the organisation of this website and responsibility for some of the tracts on the homepage unfortunately has undermined that. You have misrepresented facts of natural history, in other words told lies with which you are now associated.Quote If you look at what the Church (body of Christ) is truly about and compare to the history of the RCC, they don't line up one bit. The RCC is completely the opposite to the Church.
By your definition of Christianity I am sure that is true. There is no reliable evidence to use in arbitration of that dispute, though. You could completely reject scripture and still claim to be a follower of Jesus and a christian. You could write your own bible and tell others that you have your own evidence for a god that endorses your own version of Jesus’s deeds and sayings just as you claim. After all, that is what the anonymous gospel writers appear to have done.Quote Most are so simple minded that they cannot see how such manipulation works and that suits them because of their biases. But an honest man who seeks truth will not be disappointed and in the end we will all stand before God to be judged.
Can you see all facets of the manipulation, or might some of it be hidden from you? Truth is a personal construct. Are you sure your truth does not include things that are not true?Quote For some that will be a great day as it will be a reward for the good work and good character they have. For others it will be a time of great shame when their deeds and secrets of the heart are exposed in the light.
Above all, the common theme with Christians is that they decide what they think constitutes good works and good character. Virtually the whole of human activity is included in both the good and the evil categories, depending on which Christian you ask. So you will tell me you are right, and indeed I would probably agree with much of what you claim to be good character and good works, but with little in the way of guidance on what is considered “godly” in scripture it is up to you to decide. Thank goodness natural selection has given us both a genetically-based ethical sense for when you have to decide what your Imaginary Friend wants, or when I have to decide what constitutes appropriate conduct for me.Quote The real battle on Earth is for mens souls. Many have been caught in the net of the deceiver and others have willingly been caught in the harvest of God. Like a wheat field, it grows with the tares (weeds) and at harvest day, the wheat is gathered and the weeds are cast away to be burned (destroyed).
I count four religious platitudes in that last bit.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane.Stuart
Hi Stuart,They (the Atheists) reason there is (according to Atheists) no God,
because He doesn't intervene in human atrocities being committed.
This is hardly proof against God, but it does Prove there's free will!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 There is no reliable evidence to use in arbitration of that dispute, though. You could completely reject scripture and still claim to be a follower of Jesus and a christian. You could write your own bible and tell others that you have your own evidence for a god that endorses your own version of Jesus’s deeds and sayings just as you claim. After all, that is what the anonymous gospel writers appear to have done.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,So only Stuart is capable of determining what evidence is reliable?
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,19:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane.Stuart
Hi Stuart,They (the Atheists) reason there is (according to Atheists) no God,
because He doesn't intervene in human atrocities being committed.
This is hardly proof against God, but it does Prove there's free will!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why does your god not intervene to stop atrocities? Perhaps it is malevolent, or not omnipotent, or non-existent!Do you have enough free will to leap tall buildings in a single bound, or are there limits to what you can will?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Thank goodness natural selection has given us both a genetically-based ethical sense for when you have to decide what your Imaginary Friend wants, or when I have to decide what constitutes appropriate conduct for me.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Platitude.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:02) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,19:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane.Stuart
Hi Stuart,They (the Atheists) reason there is (according to Atheists) no God,
because He doesn't intervene in human atrocities being committed.
This is hardly proof against God, but it does Prove there's free will!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why does your god not intervene to stop atrocities? Perhaps it is malevolent, or not omnipotent, or non-existent!Do you have enough free will to leap tall buildings in a single bound, or are there limits to what you can will?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,See, you hold to this faulty belief as well, huh?
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:01) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 There is no reliable evidence to use in arbitration of that dispute, though. You could completely reject scripture and still claim to be a follower of Jesus and a christian. You could write your own bible and tell others that you have your own evidence for a god that endorses your own version of Jesus’s deeds and sayings just as you claim. After all, that is what the anonymous gospel writers appear to have done.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,So only Stuart is capable of determining what evidence is reliable?
It is a matter of opinion as to what evidence you will find convincing, but science has established methods for determining what constitutes reliable evidence, and those methods have worked consistently usefully while religious revelation has never been shown to be useful in any practical sense.If you have a good reason why this gold standard for evidence should not be applied to what you consider evidence then perhaps you should share it with us, and give your alternative measure of evidence that has been as spectacularly successful as the scientific method has.
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:04) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Thank goodness natural selection has given us both a genetically-based ethical sense for when you have to decide what your Imaginary Friend wants, or when I have to decide what constitutes appropriate conduct for me.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Platitude.
Get back to us when you know what a platitude is, Ed.Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,20:06) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,20:02) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,19:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2010,19:42) t8 Quote So when atheists curse God because of the inquisition, hangings, war, and being burned with fire, they are unable to see that they are part of the deception because they fail to see that a true believer is one who does not murder, hate, or lie. And a true believer helps the poor, feeds the hungry, and loves his fellow man. A true believer certainly does not burn someone to death or deceive. A true believer even pays taxes. Jesus taught clearly to render to Cesar what was his and to God what is his.
I don’t know any atheist who would really curse an imaginary being for the violence perpetrated by humans on other humans. That would be insane.Stuart
Hi Stuart,They (the Atheists) reason there is (according to Atheists) no God,
because He doesn't intervene in human atrocities being committed.
This is hardly proof against God, but it does Prove there's free will!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why does your god not intervene to stop atrocities? Perhaps it is malevolent, or not omnipotent, or non-existent!Do you have enough free will to leap tall buildings in a single bound, or are there limits to what you can will?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,See, you hold to this faulty belief as well, huh?
Do you have answers to those questions?Stuart
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