Understanding bible prophecy

[terraricca]

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You post all those scriptures, and dont understand what Paul is saying.

THIS IS A CLASSIC ANSWER COMING FROM YOU ,ONLY YOU KNOWS ;

PAUL TALKS TO ROMAN GENTILES NOT TO JEWS BUT ABOUT JEWS ;AND ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE CALLED TO HEAVEN (144K) EITHER JEW OR GENTILE BUT THAT BOTH HAVE TO BE PURE AND HOLY TO GRAPHED,

NOTHING THERE FOR THE CORRUPTED ISRAEL OF TODAY ;

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,22:09)

Quote You post all those scriptures, and dont understand what Paul is saying. THIS IS A CLASSIC ANSWER COMING FROM YOU ,ONLY YOU KNOWS ; PAUL TALKS TO ROMAN GENTILES NOT TO JEWS BUT ABOUT JEWS ;AND ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE CALLED TO HEAVEN (144K) EITHER JEW OR GENTILE BUT THAT BOTH HAVE TO BE PURE AND HOLY TO GRAPHED, NOTHING THERE FOR THE CORRUPTED ISRAEL OF TODAY ;

This show's that you dont undestand,
or refuse to understand.
Paul was not speaking of the 144000 at all.
This is only in your head.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,17:41)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,22:09) Quote You post all those scriptures, and dont understand what Paul is saying. THIS IS A CLASSIC ANSWER COMING FROM YOU ,ONLY YOU KNOWS ; PAUL TALKS TO ROMAN GENTILES NOT TO JEWS BUT ABOUT JEWS ;AND ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE CALLED TO HEAVEN (144K) EITHER JEW OR GENTILE BUT THAT BOTH HAVE TO BE PURE AND HOLY TO GRAPHED, NOTHING THERE FOR THE CORRUPTED ISRAEL OF TODAY ; This show's that you dont undestand, or refuse to understand. Paul was not speaking of the 144000 at all. This is only in your head. wakeup.

ARE YOU SURE

Ro 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
Ro 1:6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

Ro 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ro 1:11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong—
Ro 1:12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith.
Ro 1:13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles.
Ro 1:14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish.
Ro 1:15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome.
Ro 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
Ro 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2013,05:56)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,17:41) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,22:09) Quote You post all those scriptures, and dont understand what Paul is saying. THIS IS A CLASSIC ANSWER COMING FROM YOU ,ONLY YOU KNOWS ; PAUL TALKS TO ROMAN GENTILES NOT TO JEWS BUT ABOUT JEWS ;AND ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE CALLED TO HEAVEN (144K) EITHER JEW OR GENTILE BUT THAT BOTH HAVE TO BE PURE AND HOLY TO GRAPHED, NOTHING THERE FOR THE CORRUPTED ISRAEL OF TODAY ; This show's that you dont undestand, or refuse to understand. Paul was not speaking of the 144000 at all. This is only in your head. wakeup. ARE YOU SURE Ro 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. Ro 1:6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. Ro 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Ro 1:11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong— Ro 1:12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith. Ro 1:13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles. Ro 1:14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. Ro 1:15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome. Ro 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Ro 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Terra.

I am sure; because the 144000
Are still alive in the last days.
When the sealing takes place.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having **the seal** of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, **Hurt not the earth**, neither the sea, nor the trees, **till we have sealed** the servants of our God in their foreheads.

They will be sealed(still living)before the first
angel starts to blow the trumpet.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 01 2013,01:47)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2013,05:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,17:41) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,22:09) Quote You post all those scriptures, and dont understand what Paul is saying. THIS IS A CLASSIC ANSWER COMING FROM YOU ,ONLY YOU KNOWS ; PAUL TALKS TO ROMAN GENTILES NOT TO JEWS BUT ABOUT JEWS ;AND ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE CALLED TO HEAVEN (144K) EITHER JEW OR GENTILE BUT THAT BOTH HAVE TO BE PURE AND HOLY TO GRAPHED, NOTHING THERE FOR THE CORRUPTED ISRAEL OF TODAY ; This show's that you dont undestand, or refuse to understand. Paul was not speaking of the 144000 at all. This is only in your head. wakeup. ARE YOU SURE Ro 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. Ro 1:6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. Ro 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Ro 1:11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong— Ro 1:12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith. Ro 1:13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles. Ro 1:14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. Ro 1:15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome. Ro 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Ro 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Terra. I am sure; because the 144000 Are still alive in the last days. When the sealing takes place. Revelation 7:1   And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.  Revelation 7:2   And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having **the seal** of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,  Revelation 7:3   Saying, **Hurt not the earth**, neither the sea, nor the trees, **till we have sealed** the servants of our God in their foreheads. They will be sealed(still living)before the first angel starts to blow the trumpet. wakeup.

your view view is based on the fact that the 144k are still or some are still on earth but it seems that in ;

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

those above verses are talking in the past tense ,so the great crowd are those that have believed the message just as Christ said in John 17

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2013,11:27)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 01 2013,01:47) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2013,05:56) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,17:41) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,22:09) Quote You post all those scriptures, and dont understand what Paul is saying. THIS IS A CLASSIC ANSWER COMING FROM YOU ,ONLY YOU KNOWS ; PAUL TALKS TO ROMAN GENTILES NOT TO JEWS BUT ABOUT JEWS ;AND ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE CALLED TO HEAVEN (144K) EITHER JEW OR GENTILE BUT THAT BOTH HAVE TO BE PURE AND HOLY TO GRAPHED, NOTHING THERE FOR THE CORRUPTED ISRAEL OF TODAY ; This show's that you dont undestand, or refuse to understand. Paul was not speaking of the 144000 at all. This is only in your head. wakeup. ARE YOU SURE Ro 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. Ro 1:6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. Ro 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Ro 1:11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong— Ro 1:12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith. Ro 1:13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles. Ro 1:14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. Ro 1:15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome. Ro 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Ro 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Terra. I am sure; because the 144000 Are still alive in the last days. When the sealing takes place. Revelation 7:1   And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.  Revelation 7:2   And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having **the seal** of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,  Revelation 7:3   Saying, **Hurt not the earth**, neither the sea, nor the trees, **till we have sealed** the servants of our God in their foreheads. They will be sealed(still living)before the first angel starts to blow the trumpet. wakeup. your view view is based on the fact that the 144k are still or some are still on earth but it seems that in ; Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. those above verses are talking in the past tense ,so the great crowd are those that have believed the message just as Christ said in John 17

Yes of course its talking past tense
Because the sealing happens in rev.7.
Why should *the dead* be protected from the 7trumpets?

The angels are told not to blow *UNTILL* the 144000 are sealed.
They are the living and breathing 144000.
Them that knew the; *as* it were a new song.
Not a new song, but *as* it were a new song.

Meaning; them that have the full knowledge.
The knowledge was always been there,but only
they have learned; and understood that knowledge.

Knowledge shall increase only in the last days.

Rev.14 is when they are taken up to Christ in the air; just before the first trumpet; OR at the very first sign of the coming. I think it's the latter.
For they are the first fruits.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

unless you going to quote all the verse so that all can see your deceit or i will stop answering to words,and broken verses ,

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,03:11)

unless you going to quote all the verse so that all can see your deceit or i will stop answering to words,and broken verses ,

You have no answers.

My questions six questions you can not,or will not
answer. That is being untruthful,and deceitful in your nature.
Demanding some one to answer,but never answer questions himself.Creepy, snaky in nature.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 03 2013,05:58)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,03:11) unless you going to quote all the verse so that all can see your deceit or i will stop answering to words,and broken verses , You have no answers. My questions six questions you can not,or will not answer. That is being untruthful,and deceitful in your nature. Demanding some one to answer,but never answer questions himself.Creepy, snaky in nature. wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,23:21)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 03 2013,05:58) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,03:11) unless you going to quote all the verse so that all can see your deceit or i will stop answering to words,and broken verses , You have no answers. My questions six questions you can not,or will not answer. That is being untruthful,and deceitful in your nature. Demanding some one to answer,but never answer questions himself.Creepy, snaky in nature. wakeup.

T.

Read carefully:

(THE FIFTH ANGEL).(rev.9).
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree;
***but only those men which have *not the seal* of God in
their foreheads***.
ONLY HURT THOSE MEN *WITHOUT* THE SEAL.
ONLY 144K HAVE THE SEAL.

************

(FIRST ANGEL)(rev.7).
Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
HURT NOT THE EARTH;UNTILL WE HAVE SEALED THE 144K.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
THE NUMBER SEALED=144K.

Revelation 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS.
THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.

Revelation 7:9 After this *I* beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
THESE ARE THE CHRISTIANS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATIONS.
(THE 144K SEALED EXCLUDED).

Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Revelation 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 7:13 And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Revelation 7:14 And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES.
THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT.

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Revelation 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Revelation 7:17 **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED
WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM.

There you have it.
The whole chapter plus explanations.
Come up with your own explanations if you disagree.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 05 2013,07:33)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,23:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 03 2013,05:58) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,03:11) unless you going to quote all the verse so that all can see your deceit or i will stop answering to words,and broken verses , You have no answers. My questions six questions you can not,or will not answer. That is being untruthful,and deceitful in your nature. Demanding some one to answer,but never answer questions himself.Creepy, snaky in nature. wakeup.     T. Read carefully: (THE FIFTH ANGEL).(rev.9).  Revelation 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; ***but only those men which have *not the seal* of God in       their foreheads***.       ONLY HURT THOSE MEN *WITHOUT* THE SEAL.       ONLY 144K HAVE THE SEAL.                     ************ (FIRST ANGEL)(rev.7).  Revelation 7:1   And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.  Revelation 7:2   And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,  Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. HURT NOT THE EARTH;UNTILL WE HAVE SEALED THE 144K.  Revelation 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. THE NUMBER SEALED=144K.  Revelation 7:5   Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.  Revelation 7:6   Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.  Revelation 7:7   Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.  Revelation 7:8   Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS. THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.    Revelation 7:9   After this *I* beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; THESE ARE THE CHRISTIANS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATIONS. (THE 144K SEALED EXCLUDED).  Revelation 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.  Revelation 7:11   And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,  Revelation 7:12   Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.  Revelation 7:13   And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?  Revelation 7:14   And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES. THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT.  Revelation 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.  Revelation 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.  Revelation 7:17   **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM. There you have it. The whole chapter plus explanations. Come up with your own explanations if you disagree. wakeup.

w

thanks but no thanks ,I know those scriptures ,but I disagree with the few comments you made , and what made you so sure that the 144k will not be hurt being sealed does not mean saved or does it

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 05 2013,12:52)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 05 2013,07:33) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,23:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 03 2013,05:58) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 03 2013,03:11) unless you going to quote all the verse so that all can see your deceit or i will stop answering to words,and broken verses , You have no answers. My questions six questions you can not,or will not answer. That is being untruthful,and deceitful in your nature. Demanding some one to answer,but never answer questions himself.Creepy, snaky in nature. wakeup.     T. Read carefully: (THE FIFTH ANGEL).(rev.9).  Revelation 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; ***but only those men which have *not the seal* of God in       their foreheads***.       ONLY HURT THOSE MEN *WITHOUT* THE SEAL.       ONLY 144K HAVE THE SEAL.                     ************ (FIRST ANGEL)(rev.7).  Revelation 7:1   And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.  Revelation 7:2   And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,  Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. HURT NOT THE EARTH;UNTILL WE HAVE SEALED THE 144K.  Revelation 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. THE NUMBER SEALED=144K.  Revelation 7:5   Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.  Revelation 7:6   Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.  Revelation 7:7   Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.  Revelation 7:8   Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS. THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.    Revelation 7:9   After this *I* beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; THESE ARE THE CHRISTIANS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATIONS. (THE 144K SEALED EXCLUDED).  Revelation 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.  Revelation 7:11   And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,  Revelation 7:12   Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.  Revelation 7:13   And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?  Revelation 7:14   And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES. THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT.  Revelation 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.  Revelation 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.  Revelation 7:17   **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM. There you have it. The whole chapter plus explanations. Come up with your own explanations if you disagree. wakeup. w thanks but no thanks ,I know those scriptures ,but I disagree with the few comments you made , and what made you so sure that the 144k will not be hurt being sealed does not mean saved or does it

T.

You disagree; fine.
Now what is your interpretation?

wakeup.

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w

here it is ;

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Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. THE NUMBER SEALED=144K. Revelation 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS. THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.

show me this in scriptures ,to me 12000 x 12 = 144000 sealed as God's servants right

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Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Revelation 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Revelation 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 7:13 And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Revelation 7:14 And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES. THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT.

how long does it take to wash their robes in the blood of the lamb

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Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Revelation 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Revelation 7:17 **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM.

and when is this happen

[Wakeup]

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w here it is ; Quote Revelation 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. THE NUMBER SEALED=144K. Revelation 7:5   Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:6   Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:7   Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:8   Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS. THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.   show me this in scriptures ,to me 12000 x 12 = 144000 sealed as God's servants right Quote Revelation 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Revelation 7:11   And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Revelation 7:12   Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 7:13   And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Revelation 7:14   And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES. THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT. how long does it take to wash their robes in the blood of the lamb Quote Revelation 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Revelation 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Revelation 7:17   **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM. and when is this happen

T.

I'm still waiting for your interpretation.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2013,02:21) w here it is ; Quote Revelation 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. THE NUMBER SEALED=144K. Revelation 7:5   Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:6   Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:7   Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:8   Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS. THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.   show me this in scriptures ,to me 12000 x 12 = 144000 sealed as God's servants right Quote Revelation 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Revelation 7:11   And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Revelation 7:12   Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 7:13   And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Revelation 7:14   And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES. THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT. how long does it take to wash their robes in the blood of the lamb Quote Revelation 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Revelation 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Revelation 7:17   **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM. and when is this happen T. I'm still waiting for your interpretation. wakeup.

w

Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s(Christian) teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we(true believers) speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

if you do not understand this what make you to believe that you would understand what I going to say

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2013,04:26) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2013,02:21) w here it is ; Quote Revelation 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. THE NUMBER SEALED=144K. Revelation 7:5   Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:6   Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:7   Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:8   Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS. THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.   show me this in scriptures ,to me 12000 x 12 = 144000 sealed as God's servants right Quote Revelation 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Revelation 7:11   And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Revelation 7:12   Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 7:13   And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Revelation 7:14   And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES. THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT. how long does it take to wash their robes in the blood of the lamb Quote Revelation 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Revelation 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Revelation 7:17   **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM. and when is this happen T. I'm still waiting for your interpretation. wakeup. w Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s(Christian) teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we(true believers) speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? if you do not understand this what make you to believe that you would understand what I going to say

T.

What is that to do with revelation?

You are so confused by eating contaminated flesh.

wakeup.

[journey42]

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2013,10:11) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2013,04:26) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2013,02:21) w here it is ; Quote Revelation 7:4   And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. THE NUMBER SEALED=144K. Revelation 7:5   Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:6   Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:7   Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Revelation 7:8   Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. THESE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS. THEY ARE PURE IN GOD'S EYES.   show me this in scriptures ,to me 12000 x 12 = 144000 sealed as God's servants right Quote Revelation 7:10   And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Revelation 7:11   And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Revelation 7:12   Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 7:13   And one of the *elders* answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Revelation 7:14   And *I* said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, ***These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have *washed* their robes***, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. THESE CHRISTIANS HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES. THEIR ROBES WERE DIRTY BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.THEY WERE NOT PERFECT. how long does it take to wash their robes in the blood of the lamb Quote Revelation 7:15   Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Revelation 7:16   They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Revelation 7:17   **For the Lamb** which is in the midst of the throne ***shall feed them***, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. THE LAMB SHALL FEED THEM;BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT FED IN THEIR LIVE TIME AS CHRISTIANS.THEY WERE FED WITH MILK AND SOOTHING WORDS.NOW THE LAMB IS GOING TO FEED THEM. and when is this happen T. I'm still waiting for your interpretation. wakeup. w Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s(Christian) teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we(true believers) speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? if you do not understand this what make you to believe that you would understand what I going to say T. What is that to do with revelation? You are so confused by eating contaminated flesh. wakeup.

Pierre

We are waiting for your interpretation. You can't just give scriptures, we all know those scriptures.
We know 12000 x 12 = 144,000. (nothing new)
We know theres 144K sealed, (so nothing new again)

But kindly give scriptures with interpretation to prove your point.

We know Jesus words in John, and that you are insinuating you are of Christ and having knowledge but we cannot receive because we don't understand heavenly things,
YET YOU STILL CAN'T EXPLAIN?
So all this boasting and putting yourself up there hasn't shown us anything so far.
What's your interpretation?
You've dodged the question that's all,
and I think that you maybe seeking understanding from us? so you can pretend you knew all along?
Thats what it looks like to me.

[terraricca]

W / j42

You can see for yourselves ,you did not answer my question in respond to your quote,
And sell me back what I said to you, I can not see that you would understand what I believe from scriptures ,

[terraricca]

J42

If I seek true understanding from you,and found it ,I which you were right ,I would be happy and jump like a young deer,thanking God ,but I can tell you that is not the case.

[Wakeup]

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J42 If I seek true  understanding from you,and found it ,I which you were right ,I would be happy and jump like a young deer,thanking God ,but I can tell you that is not the case.

T.

Our interpretation is wrong,you say.
But where is your interpretation.
You can provide zero.

wakeup.

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