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Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 26 2013,09:47) journey42,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
If you ask me to explain the Greek to you,
then you must be an expert in Greek.
You should be able to answer.
Romans 8:35 Click this icon to open a printer friendly page
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Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will trouble, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 1
NIV ©
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
NASB ©
Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
NLT ©
Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or are hungry or cold or in danger or threatened with death?
MSG ©
Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ's love for us? There is no way! Not trouble, not hard times, not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not bullying threats, not backstabbing, not even the worst sins listed in Scripture:
BBE ©
Who will come between us and the love of Christ? Will trouble, or pain, or cruel acts, or the need of food or of clothing, or danger, or the sword?
NRSV ©
Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will hardship, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
NKJV ©
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
KJV
Who
shall separate
(5692) us
from
the love
of Christ
_? [shall] tribulation
_, or
distress
_, or
persecution
_, or
famine
_, or
nakedness
_, or
peril
_, or
sword
_?
NASB ©
Who
will separate
us from the love
of Christ
? Will tribulation
, or
distress
, or
persecution
, or
famine
, or
nakedness
, or
peril
, or
sword
?
GREEK
tivI-NSMhmav
P-1APcwrisei
(5692)
V-FAI-3SapoPREPthv
T-GSFagaphv
N-GSFtou
T-GSMcristou
N-GSMyliqiv
N-NSFh
PRTstenocwria
N-NSFh
PRTdiwgmov
N-NSMh
PRTlimov
N-NSMh
PRTgumnothv
N-NSFh
PRTkindunov
N-NSMh
PRTmacaira
N-NS
Revelation 7:14 Click this icon to open a printer friendly page
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So 1 I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” 2 Then 3 he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They 4 have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
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I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NASB ©
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NLT ©
And I said to him, “Sir, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and made them white.
MSG ©
Taken aback, I said, “O Sir, I have no idea–but you must know.” Then he told me, “These are those who come from the great tribulation, and they've washed their robes, scrubbed them clean in the blood of the Lamb.
BBE ©
And I said to him, My lord, you have knowledge. And he said to me, These are they who came through the great testing, and their robes have been washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSV ©
I said to him, “Sir, you are the one that knows.” Then he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NKJV ©
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
KJV
And
I said
(5758) unto him
_, Sir
_, thou
knowest
(5758)_. And
he said
(5627) to me
_, These
are they
(5748) which came
(5740) out of
great
tribulation
_, and
have washed
(5656) their
robes
_, and
made
(0) them
white
(5656) in
the blood
of the Lamb
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NASB ©
I said
to him, “My lord
, you know
.” And he said
to me, “These
are the ones who come
out of the great
tribulation
, and they have washed
their robes
and made
them white
in the blood
of the Lamb
.
GREEK
kaiCONJeirhka
(5758)
V-RAI-1S-ATTautwP-DSMkurie
N-VSMmou
P-1GSsu
P-2NSoidav
(5758)
V-RAI-2SkaiCONJeipen
(5627)
V-2AAI-3SmoiP-1DSoutoi
D-NPMeisin
(5748)
V-PXI-3PoiT-NPMercomenoi
(5740)
V-PNP-NPMekPREPthv
T-GSFyliqewv
N-GSFthv
T-GSFmegalhv
A-GSFkai
CONJeplunan
(5656)
V-AAI-3PtavT-APFstolav
N-APFautwn
P-GPMkai
CONJeleukanan
(5656)
V-AAI-3PautavP-APFen
PREPtw
T-DSNaimati
N-DSNtou
T-GSNarniou
N-GSN
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So
I said
to him
, “My
lord
, you
know
the answer.” Then
he said
to me
, “These
are
the ones who have come
out of
the great
tribulation
. They have washed
their
robes
and
made
them
white
in
the blood
of the Lamb
!
NET ©
So 1 I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” 2 Then 3 he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They 4 have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
NET © Notes
1 tn Here καί (kai) has been translated as “so” to indicate the implied result of the previous question.
2 tn Though the expression “the answer” is not in the Greek text, it is clearly implied. Direct objects in Greek were frequently omitted when clear from the context.
3 tn Here καί (kai) has been translated as “then” to indicate the implied sequence of events within the vision.
4 tn Because of the length and complexity of the Greek sentence, a new sentence was started here in the translation. Here καί (kai) has not
been translated because of differences between Greek and English style.roman 8; tells what type of distress a true believer will and may do through,and is it not what also what Christ says to those that will believe in him will go through
yesPierre,
Thank you for all that but I did not understand it.
What am I supposed to be looking at?
I just want a simple answer please.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 27 2013,04:57) Pierre, Thank you for all that but I did not understand it.
What am I supposed to be looking at?
I just want a simple answer please.
go to “netBible ” you will also have the “strong ” versioni think there is a connection from “heaven Net “
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 27 2013,10:32) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 27 2013,04:57) Pierre, Thank you for all that but I did not understand it.
What am I supposed to be looking at?
I just want a simple answer please.
go to “netBible ” you will also have the “strong ” versioni think there is a connection from “heaven Net “
Pierre,Thank you, but I don't know what you are talking about?
I've never gone to these things to understand the bible.
What is the “strong” version?Can you just answer me plainly please?
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 27 2013,06:32) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 27 2013,10:32) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 27 2013,04:57) Pierre, Thank you for all that but I did not understand it.
What am I supposed to be looking at?
I just want a simple answer please.
go to “netBible ” you will also have the “strong ” versioni think there is a connection from “heaven Net “
Pierre,Thank you, but I don't know what you are talking about?
I've never gone to these things to understand the bible.
What is the “strong” version?Can you just answer me plainly please?
http://classic.net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Heb&chapter=1&verse=4try those internet connection ;
i am a little slow for now ,but what i would like you to do is not telling things that have not been said before by Christ or his apostles ,
also understand that it is not us as sinners that make the choice to be or not to be with Christ ;this would be arrogance sins it is God that says who sits where and where like in heaven or on earth ;
You guys must have more time than me to uselessly argue like that.
Believe the Bible, we are very close to the end of this age, expect dramatic happenings soon. Gaining true understanding should be everyone's aim and to do that the Bible says we must put aside any teachings not supported by ALL the prophetic Word. Isaiah 29:9-12
Revelation gives us the correct sequence of events; first the 4 horsemen – already loosed, as Zechariah 1:10. Then the 5th seal, also opened as John watched and the saints have been killed from then until now. The 6th seal is the next -it IS the great Day of the Lord's wrath, His judgement/punishment of the nations. It is the disaster that will come as a thief. 2 Thess.5:3-4 says it all…there will be no escape…
This terrible fire – a coronal mass ejection as irrefutably told to us in Isaiah 30:26, will be triggered by the commencement of an attack on Israel, the fulfilment of Psalm 83.
Please look at logostelos.info for more free Bible studies.Quote (keras @ Sep. 27 2013,19:31) You guys must have more time than me to uselessly argue like that.
Believe the Bible, we are very close to the end of this age, expect dramatic happenings soon. Gaining true understanding should be everyone's aim and to do that the Bible says we must put aside any teachings not supported by ALL the prophetic Word. Isaiah 29:9-12
Revelation gives us the correct sequence of events; first the 4 horsemen – already loosed, as Zechariah 1:10. Then the 5th seal, also opened as John watched and the saints have been killed from then until now. The 6th seal is the next -it IS the great Day of the Lord's wrath, His judgement/punishment of the nations. It is the disaster that will come as a thief. 2 Thess.5:3-4 says it all…there will be no escape…
This terrible fire – a coronal mass ejection as irrefutably told to us in Isaiah 30:26, will be triggered by the commencement of an attack on Israel, the fulfilment of Psalm 83.
Please look at logostelos.info for more free Bible studies.
Keras.I agree with what you are saying,
we should concentrate on the last days prophesies.
For time is at hand.Except: The fourth seal *is to come*.The pale horse.
This will happen when the *false prophet*
is revealed to the world, and take charge.He is the one that will cause all the killings
and the persecutions of all the Christians,
that refuse his mark.
He is the one coming,with his armies into jerusalem.
For jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles
for 3/half years.rev.11.Then the two witnesses wil be there to do the witnessing
in jerusalem, for 3/half years.Rev.11.
Then they will be killed and their dead bodies left in the street for 3/half days.The world will rejoice.After 3/haf days they will be brought back to life,and taken up.rev.11.
Then an earth quake in jerusalem,7000died.rev.11
This is the *second woe*.The *third woe* is the 7th trumpet; *the coming*.
The harvest of the wheat;and stored;consisting them that came out of great tribulation,and given white robes.rev7:14.
Their brethren under the altar included.5th seal.The *last* wrath of God on babylon the great.
And the cities of the nations are no more.rev.16:17.19.
Babylon will be destroyed in one day.rev.18:8.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 21 2013,07:50) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,06:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 20 2013,22:59) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,00:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 20 2013,11:54) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 20 2013,09:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,16:37) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,20:31) This rethoric of explanation as been used for centuries ,by all denomination that says they are Christians , By using those arguments in my view you have already establish that you are a deceiver , because of your self claim ,
So you can keep going ,but have a long way to go for proving that what you understand is in fact the truth of God ,got it
Terra.You are spiritually blank.
Never have touched the prophesies.
All we are discussing here are new to you.
You have fed yourself with strange flesh.
Books written by men.wakeup.
and you think those words going to make that now all the things you say to be truei can do a better job than that ;but i can not deceive people ;this stops me ,but you seem not have that problem,
Terra.I have the scriptures to back my claim.
What have you got but noise.
wakeup.
NO,you do not ,have scriptures ,you have changed the gospel into a message of doom ,that is what you have done ,
you ,have look into the BOOK OF GOD ,TO SEE IF YOU CAN FIND YOUR OWN MESSAGE OF DECEIT ,
“TRIBULATIONS” SPRING IS ONLY AS OLD AS THE 17 CENTURY ,WELL EVANGELIZED BY THOSE PROTESTANT EVANGELIST WHO DID USE THE DAY EVENT (CATHOLIC/PROTESTANT WAR)AND TO THE BEST OF THEIR ADVANTAGE POSSIBLE,WITH TREMENDOUS SUCCESS ,AND AS BEEN USED ALMOST BY EVERY DENOMINATION ,AND DATES WHERE GIVEN ,AND GIVEN AND PASSED ,AND GIVEN,AND PASSED ,AND GIVEN ,AND PASSED ;AND STILL GOING ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ONE DAY THE END WILL COME THIS IS NOT A DOUBT IT IS CERTAIN ,”BUT NOT THE WAY THOSE PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT ;”
could WE imagine Noah ,yelling to the people ,doomsday is coming ,God will bring down all living things to an end ;THEN WHAT
REPENT ;UNDERSTAND THAT GOD AD ALREADY JUDGE THOSE PEOPLE AND THE REASON FOR THE ARK WAS NOT TO SAVE THEM ,BUT TO SAVE WHICH WAS OF GOD ;MT 24:37 “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
LK 17:26 “ And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of ManDO NOT BE DECEIVED BY THOSE EVANGELISTS OF DOOM ,BUT KEEP RATHER PERFECT YOURSELVES IN CHRIST SO THAT YOU MAY BE FOUND WORTHY OF THE SON OF GOD AT HIS COMING
THOSE PEOPLE HAVE A DELUDED MIND ,DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES ,THEY TWIST THEM,CALL YOU NAMES ,BUT THEY BLASPHEME THE TRUTH OF GOD ,
Are you saying Jesus was preaching doom in matt.24.
Are you saying that the book of revelation is a book of doom?
This is why you are still not weaned from the breast.wakeup.
NO HE WAS QUOTING THE SCRIPTURES FOR WHAT WAS COMING WAS THE RESULT OF THEIR WICKEDNESS AND BECAUSE THEY HAD BROKEN THE COVENANT THAT THEY MADE WITH THEIR GOD ,AND THEIR GOD TOLD THEM AHEAD OF TIME THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN IF THE FORSAKE HIM,IT IS ALL WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURES ,READ IT
Terrra.There is is no if's.
What has written in prophesies must come to pass.
So; Matt.24. and rev.must come to pass.
Meaning; it will happen.The prayers of the all the saints will be answered
and God's wrath will be poured upon the earth.This is indeed doom for the earth,but not for
God's people. So,it will be doom for you,so it seems.wakeup.
this is true ;but in your case you are so ignorant of what really happen and disregarding the scriptures that all you say are liesQuote (keras @ Sep. 27 2013,14:31) You guys must have more time than me to uselessly argue like that.
Believe the Bible, we are very close to the end of this age, expect dramatic happenings soon. Gaining true understanding should be everyone's aim and to do that the Bible says we must put aside any teachings not supported by ALL the prophetic Word. Isaiah 29:9-12
Revelation gives us the correct sequence of events; first the 4 horsemen – already loosed, as Zechariah 1:10. Then the 5th seal, also opened as John watched and the saints have been killed from then until now. The 6th seal is the next -it IS the great Day of the Lord's wrath, His judgement/punishment of the nations. It is the disaster that will come as a thief. 2 Thess.5:3-4 says it all…there will be no escape…
This terrible fire – a coronal mass ejection as irrefutably told to us in Isaiah 30:26, will be triggered by the commencement of an attack on Israel, the fulfilment of Psalm 83.
Please look at logostelos.info for more free Bible studies.
so,there is no real tribulation ,only the final destruction like at the flood ,and sodombut knowing that the end comes does not save anyone is it
but believing in the son of God does ;and we find his teachings in the scriptures not in books made by some illuminati,that changes the words in scriptures and set himself as a saint .
keras/wakeup,j42/devo
any of you never answer my question ,so here it is again;
WHY ;A NATION (ISRAEL) THAT IS A DEMOCRACY NOT A THEOCRACY ;THAT HAS REJECTED THE KING THAT WAS SENT BY JEHOVAH GOD ,JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ,;A NATION THAT WAS FINALLY DIVORCED FROM THE MOSAIC LAW COVENANT BECAUSE OF THEIR WICKEDNESS TO THAT COVENANT, END WAS MADE IN 70 AD BY GOD DESTROYING THE LAST REMAININGS OF WHAT WAS STANDING OF THAT COVENANT HIS TEMPLE ;
AND THE NEW COVENANT THAT WAS MADE THROUGH HIS SON FOR ALL PEOPLE AND NATIONS AS BEEN STILL TO THIS DAY REJECTED BY ISRAEL ,
PLEASE TELL ME HOW COULD YOU MAKE THAT NATION ANY IMPORTANCE IN THE PLAN OF GOD
HOW COULD A WICKED NATION BE THE PIVOT IN GOD RIGHTEOUSNESS Wakeup; by placing the 4th seal during the great Tribulation, you shuffle scripture. The first 5 seals are open now and you are correct; the pale horse of death causes all deaths by violence.
Terra, you are as confused as ever. If you look at the proper sequence of events, this next disaster -a CME that will affect all the world, is the way the One World Govt is established, then the rest of the prophesies unfold.
As for the current State of Israel, many prophesies say how they will be judged. Amos 2:4-5, Isaiah 22:14
After all the holy Land is cleared, righteous Israelites -those true descendants of Jacob or grafted in- will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah – Isaiah 62:1-5Quote Terra, you are as confused as ever. If you look at the proper sequence of events, this next disaster -a CME that will affect all the world, is the way the One World Govt is established, then the rest of the prophesies unfold. making me a confused person ,does not make you a less confused one or is that the objective of declaring me confused
it is my understanding of 60 years that it was the normal next move to go ;1)local; 2) national 3)international 4)intercontinental 5) global 6) they also talking interplanetary,
their is nothing mystery here it is a logical and progressive development ,the way it going it also seem that the existing nations will remain on the map ,and will or have to solve their differences based on global laws ,
why is it the end time ;because men have reach the end of their own wicked development ; but it will come as a thief ;just as it was in the days of Noah,just another common day
keras
Am 2:6 This is what the LORD says:
“For three sins of Israel,
even for four, I will not turn back my wrath.
They sell the righteous for silver,
and the needy for a pair of sandals.
Am 2:7 They trample on the heads of the poor
as upon the dust of the ground
and deny justice to the oppressed.
Father and son use the same girl
and so profane my holy name.
Am 2:8 They lie down beside every altar
on garments taken in pledge.
In the house of their god
they drink wine taken as fines.Am 2:9 “I destroyed the Amorite before them,
though he was tall as the cedars
and strong as the oaks.
I destroyed his fruit above
and his roots below.Am 2:10 “I brought you up out of Egypt,
and I led you forty years in the desert
to give you the land of the Amorites.
Am 2:11 I also raised up prophets from among your sons
and Nazirites from among your young men.
Is this not true, people of Israel?”
declares the LORD.
Am 2:12 “But you made the Nazirites drink wine
and commanded the prophets not to prophesy.Am 2:13 “Now then, I will crush you
as a cart crushes when loaded with grain.
Am 2:14 The swift will not escape,
the strong will not muster their strength,
and the warrior will not save his life.
Am 2:15 The archer will not stand his ground,
the fleet-footed soldier will not get away,
and the horseman will not save his life.
Am 2:16 Even the bravest warriors
will flee naked on that day,”
declares the LORD.Isa 22:14 The LORD Almighty has revealed this in my hearing: “Till your dying day this sin will not be atoned for,” says the Lord, the LORD Almighty.
Isa 22:15 This is what the Lord, the LORD Almighty, says:
“Go, say to this steward,
to Shebna, who is in charge of the palace:
Isa 22:16 What are you doing here and who gave you permission
to cut out a grave for yourself here,
hewing your grave on the height
and chiseling your resting place in the rock?Isa 22:17 “Beware, the LORD is about to take firm hold of you
and hurl you away, O you mighty man.
Isa 22:18 He will roll you up tightly like a ball
and throw you into a large country.
There you will die
and there your splendid chariots will remain—
you disgrace to your master’s house!i really do not understand why you quote this scripture
Isa 62:1 For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent,
for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet,
till her righteousness shines out like the dawn,
her salvation like a blazing torch.
Isa 62:2 The nations will see your righteousness,
and all kings your glory;
you will be called by a new name
that the mouth of the LORD will bestow.
Isa 62:3 You will be a crown of splendor in the LORD'S hand,
a royal diadem in the hand of your God.
Isa 62:4 No longer will they call you Deserted,
or name your land Desolate.
But you will be called Hephzibah,
and your land Beulah ;
for the LORD will take delight in you,
and your land will be married.
Isa 62:5 As a young man marries a maiden,
so will your sons marry you;
as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride,
so will your God rejoice over you.Isa 62:6 I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem;
they will never be silent day or night.
You who call on the LORD,
give yourselves no rest,
Isa 62:7 and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
and makes her the praise of the earth.this is the coming of Christ ,and the works of his disciples
I do not see anything here that supports your views for the rejected nation of Israel of today;
Why quote lengthy scripture? Especially from a old and difficult to understand translation.
It was Amos 2:4-5 that pertains to Judah – the Jewish people, also Isaiah 22:1-14 is all about how Judah will be judged and punished. Also Zechariah 13:1-9, Ezekiel 21:1-16, Jeremiah 6:6-15 and many others.
We can all see how Israel as it is now cannot be how God wants His people to be in the holy Land. The Isaiah 62 prophecy tells us of the new nation of Beulah, to be established before the Return. It is from them that the 144,000 are sent out to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.keras
Quote Why quote lengthy scripture? Especially from a old and difficult to understand translation. just want to show your miss guide conclusion
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,07:49) keras/wakeup,j42/devo any of you never answer my question ,so here it is again;
WHY ;A NATION (ISRAEL) THAT IS A DEMOCRACY NOT A THEOCRACY ;THAT HAS REJECTED THE KING THAT WAS SENT BY JEHOVAH GOD ,JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ,;A NATION THAT WAS FINALLY DIVORCED FROM THE MOSAIC LAW COVENANT BECAUSE OF THEIR WICKEDNESS TO THAT COVENANT, END WAS MADE IN 70 AD BY GOD DESTROYING THE LAST REMAININGS OF WHAT WAS STANDING OF THAT COVENANT HIS TEMPLE ;
AND THE NEW COVENANT THAT WAS MADE THROUGH HIS SON FOR ALL PEOPLE AND NATIONS AS BEEN STILL TO THIS DAY REJECTED BY ISRAEL ,
PLEASE TELL ME HOW COULD YOU MAKE THAT NATION ANY IMPORTANCE IN THE PLAN OF GOD
HOW COULD A WICKED NATION BE THE PIVOT IN GOD RIGHTEOUSNESS
Terra.Please understand these scriptures:
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? ****God forbid****: but rather through their fall salvation *is come* unto the Gentiles, for to **provoke** them to jealousy.
Romans 11:12 Now **if the fall of them** be *the riches* of the world, and the **diminishing of them** the riches of the Gentiles; ****how much more *their* fulness****?
*HOW MUCH MORE* WHEN THE NATURAL OLIVE BRANCH:
WHEN GRAFTED BACK ON TO THE NATURAL OLIVE TREE.Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of *this mystery*,
*** lest ye should be wise in your own conceits***;
that **blindness **in part** is happened to Israel**, ****UNTILL** THE FULLNESS**** of the Gentiles be come in****.GOD HAS BLINDED THE JEWS PARTLY AND HAS GONE TO THE GENTILES TO PROVOKE THEM TO JEALOUSY.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROVOKED GOD TO JEALOUSY IN THE DESERT.WHEN THE **FULLNESS** OF THE GENTILES **HAS COME IN**,
GOD WILL COME BACK TO THE JEWS.
THE NATURAL OLIVE BRANCH WILL BE GRAFTED BACK ON.wakeup.
Ro 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
Ro 11:2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel:
Ro 11:3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me” ?
Ro 11:4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Ro 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
Ro 11:8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day.”
Ro 11:9 And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
Ro 11:10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”Ingrafted Branches
Ro 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
Ro 11:12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
Ro 11:13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry
Ro 11:14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.
Ro 11:15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Ro 11:16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Ro 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
Ro 11:18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Ro 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”
Ro 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
Ro 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Ro 11:23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Ro 11:24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!All Israel Will Be Saved
Ro 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Ro 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Ro 11:27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
Ro 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
Ro 11:29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Ro 11:30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
Ro 11:31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
Ro 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.all men are save through the sacrifice of Christ ,and what number is it OF GENTILES THAT SHOULD COME IN
DID JESUS NOT CAME TO FIRST SAVE WHAT WAS LOST IN ISRAEL ? YES HE DID ;
THIS WAS ILLUSTRATED BY THE 7000 HIDDEN THAT GOD AD KEPT ASIDE AND THAT DID NOT BEND THEIR KNEE TO BAAL OF FALSE WORSHIP ;THIS AS NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY CORRUPTED ISRAEL
Quote (keras @ Sep. 28 2013,07:09) Why quote lengthy scripture? Especially from a old and difficult to understand translation.
It was Amos 2:4-5 that pertains to Judah – the Jewish people, also Isaiah 22:1-14 is all about how Judah will be judged and punished. Also Zechariah 13:1-9, Ezekiel 21:1-16, Jeremiah 6:6-15 and many others.
We can all see how Israel as it is now cannot be how God wants His people to be in the holy Land. The Isaiah 62 prophecy tells us of the new nation of Beulah, to be established before the Return. It is from them that the 144,000 are sent out to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
YOU CAN QUOTE MANY SCRIPTURES BUT EACH ONE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOUR VIEW ,EZEK TELLS OF THE FUTURE BUT NOT OF THE CORRUPTED ISRAEL BUT OF THE PURE ONE ,IT SEEMS YOU GOT LOST THEIR ;UNLESS YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT PURE MEANS ,AND YES 144K ARE THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM TEMPLE ,THAT CAN NOT BE CORRUPTED,AND FOLLOWS CHRIST WHERE EVER HE GOES ,
GOD DOES NOT SAVE CORRUPTED NATION HE DESTROY THEM ISRAEL IS NO DIFFERENCE ,THAT WAS THE DEAL IN THE COVENANT OBEY AND LIVE DISOBEY AND DIE ,
BUT YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE THOSE SCRIPTURES ONLY THOSE THAT CAN IN SOME WAY SUPPORT YOUR VIEW BUT THERE ARE MORE SCRIPTURES THAT CONDEMN ISRAEL THAN SAVE IT ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 28 2013,21:41) Ro 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
Ro 11:2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel:
Ro 11:3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me” ?
Ro 11:4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Ro 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
Ro 11:8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day.”
Ro 11:9 And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
Ro 11:10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”Ingrafted Branches
Ro 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
Ro 11:12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
Ro 11:13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry
Ro 11:14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.
Ro 11:15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Ro 11:16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Ro 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
Ro 11:18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Ro 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”
Ro 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
Ro 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Ro 11:23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Ro 11:24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!All Israel Will Be Saved
Ro 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Ro 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Ro 11:27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
Ro 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
Ro 11:29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Ro 11:30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
Ro 11:31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
Ro 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.all men are save through the sacrifice of Christ ,and what number is it OF GENTILES THAT SHOULD COME IN
DID JESUS NOT CAME TO FIRST SAVE WHAT WAS LOST IN ISRAEL ? YES HE DID ;
THIS WAS ILLUSTRATED BY THE 7000 HIDDEN THAT GOD AD KEPT ASIDE AND THAT DID NOT BEND THEIR KNEE TO BAAL OF FALSE WORSHIP ;THIS AS NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY CORRUPTED ISRAEL
Terra.You post all those scriptures, and dont understand what Paul
is saying.
Paul is saying that the natural olive branches will be grafted back on. Once the **fullness of the gentiles** has come.But you say that God is finished with the jews.??
wakeup.
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