Understanding bible prophecy

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 25 2013,10:25)

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 25 2013,04:54) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 25 2013,08:17) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 24 2013,20:17) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,20:31) This rethoric of explanation as been used for centuries ,by all denomination that says they are Christians , By using those arguments in my view you have already establish that you are a deceiver , because of your self claim , So you can keep going ,but have a long way to go for proving that what you understand is in fact the truth of God ,got it Pierre, Look at this? Keras is not hardly on this site.  You attack him straight away by calling him a deceiver, Where is your evidence that what he is saying is wrong? Why would Keras even want to come here and talk to us when he gets greeted like this. Give your reasons why he is wrong. We are waiting. WHY CAN HE NOT DEFEND IS OWN TRIBULATION THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PRO TRIBULATION WHEN CHRIST SAYS ALL WILL BE NORMAL LIKE EVERY DAY LIVING ; YOU GUY'S WHAT YOU ARE THINKING YOU DOING TELLING THE TRUTH NO,THOSE ARE LIES YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT CHRIST WORDS ;SO YOU SAYING THAT MY LORD HIS A LIAR ;THIS I CAN NOT ENDURE ;I HAVE TO SPEAK OUT WITH FORCE ,LIKE FIRE, Read;with your eyes open.  Matthew 24:21   For then shall be **great tribulation**, **such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no**, **nor ever shall be**.  Matthew 24:22   **And except those days should be shortened**, ** there should no *flesh* be saved**: **but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened**. IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE ELECT SAKE,**ALL FLESH** WILL BE KILLED./DESTROYED. THIS CAN ONLY HAPPEN WITH THE HARDWARE OF WAR WE HAVE TODAY. wakeup. I HAVE SHOW YOU THAT THE DISTRESS IS FOR JERUSALEM READ THE CONTEXT ;AND READ IT WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT ;

Terra.

*No flesh* shall be saved.
is this only for jerusalem?
Are we all in the world not considered as flesh also?

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Sep. 25 2013,10:15)

Jesus came so the world would be saved through him. No flesh being saved is in regards to salvation. Your view, dispensationilism, cannot safely be taught. You will deceive people. It is one thing to believe an error, but another thing to teach it. Luckily, it looks like Terra is not gullible Terra, don't be misled by these lot. Water baptism, though a different subject, is what you need to do. In your bath, pray forgiveness of sins, wash away your sins in the name of Jesus. I am saying this for your wellbeing. Peace and love (grumpy old man!)

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Matthew 7

15 “Beware of false prophets, who
come to you in sheep's clothing but
inwardly are ravenous wolves.

[journey42]

terraricca,Sep. wrote:

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j42 Quote Quote MT 24:37 “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. LK 17:26 “ And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man There you go, just like in the days of Noah.  The same.  If we don't hop on board with Christ, we will get caught in the flood.  And it will be more than just a flood. MT 24:37 “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. LK 17:26 “ And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man Mt 24:38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; Mt 24:39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Lk 17:28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. Lk 17:29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. Lk 17:30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. I DO NOT SEE A TRIBULATION IN THE WORDS OF CHRIST AT THE COMING ONLY I SEE DISTRESS FOR JERUSALEM IN THE WORDS OF CHRIST ;AND THE SIGN OF DANIEL WAS THE SIGN TO MOVE OUT OF JERUSALEM ;

Pierre

What happened in the days of Noah, and the days of Lot are just examples.  The people were not prepared for God's wrath.  They were going about their business as usual.
It will be the same for the world when Christ comes.  They are not expecting him, for they don't believe he even exists.

We know there are 7 plagues coming.  This is the wrath.  The world won't know it however or make any connection to the prophesies. They keep going as usual.  But at the last trumpet, when sudden destruction comes, they will be surprised just like back then.  
The great tribulation starts with the first angel (first trumpet) to the last.
This is poured out on the whole world.
This is an extended wrath.  Not just a one day wrath.  This wrath will last for about 3 1/2 years, maybe longer.
It is a GREAT TRIBULATION on the whole world.  Not on those who followed Christ.

[journey42]

Quote (2besee @ Sep. 25 2013,12:06)

Matthew 7 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are  ravenous wolves.

Show us your innability to discern the scriptures 2Besse.
Been a while.

[journey42]

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,20:31) This rethoric of explanation as been used for centuries ,by all denomination that says they are Christians , By using those arguments in my view you have already establish that you are a deceiver , because of your self claim , So you can keep going ,but have a long way to go for proving that what you understand is in fact the truth of God ,got it Pierre, Look at this? Keras is not hardly on this site.  You attack him straight away by calling him a deceiver, Where is your evidence that what he is saying is wrong? Why would Keras even want to come here and talk to us when he gets greeted like this. Give your reasons why he is wrong. We are waiting.

Pierre

What say you?
What did he say wrong.
Please answer.

[journey42]

journey42,Sep. wrote:

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You say this was only for Jerusalem in 70Ad? Did you read who Jesus answered this question to? and what the actual question was? Matthew 24:3   And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? ….. end of the WORLD. Not Jerusalem.

Pierre,
Please answer this also.
Maybe 2Besse can help you.

END OF THE WORLD.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,07:24)

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,01:17) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,20:31) This rethoric of explanation as been used for centuries ,by all denomination that says they are Christians , By using those arguments in my view you have already establish that you are a deceiver , because of your self claim , So you can keep going ,but have a long way to go for proving that what you understand is in fact the truth of God ,got it Pierre, Look at this? Keras is not hardly on this site.  You attack him straight away by calling him a deceiver, Where is your evidence that what he is saying is wrong? Why would Keras even want to come here and talk to us when he gets greeted like this. Give your reasons why he is wrong. We are waiting. Pierre What say you? What did he say wrong. Please answer.

j42

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What happened in the days of Noah, and the days of Lot are just examples

look how you bring to nothing the words that Christ says ;

you do not understand scriptures ,but want to explain them ;

i have said enough ,you are keeping piling up lies upon lies ,and feel no shame ;

you become now my enemy because you have rejected the words of my Lord and his father ,

this is now a sad day ;a day of mourning ;

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 25 2013,13:46)

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,07:24) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,01:17) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,20:31) This rethoric of explanation as been used for centuries ,by all denomination that says they are Christians , By using those arguments in my view you have already establish that you are a deceiver , because of your self claim , So you can keep going ,but have a long way to go for proving that what you understand is in fact the truth of God ,got it Pierre, Look at this? Keras is not hardly on this site.  You attack him straight away by calling him a deceiver, Where is your evidence that what he is saying is wrong? Why would Keras even want to come here and talk to us when he gets greeted like this. Give your reasons why he is wrong. We are waiting. Pierre What say you? What did he say wrong. Please answer. j42 Quote What happened in the days of Noah, and the days of Lot are just examples look how you bring to nothing the words that Christ says ; you do not understand scriptures ,but want to explain them ; i have said enough ,you are keeping piling up lies upon lies ,and feel no shame ; you become now my enemy because you have rejected the words of my Lord and his father , this is now a sad day ;a day of mourning ;

Pierre

My dear enemy in Christ, and ex brother according to you.

The days of Noah and Lot really DID HAPPEN, make no mistake.
They are later used as examples for us.
What is so hard to understand about this?

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,07:24)

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,01:17) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,20:31) This rethoric of explanation as been used for centuries ,by all denomination that says they are Christians , By using those arguments in my view you have already establish that you are a deceiver , because of your self claim , So you can keep going ,but have a long way to go for proving that what you understand is in fact the truth of God ,got it Pierre, Look at this? Keras is not hardly on this site.  You attack him straight away by calling him a deceiver, Where is your evidence that what he is saying is wrong? Why would Keras even want to come here and talk to us when he gets greeted like this. Give your reasons why he is wrong. We are waiting. Pierre What say you? What did he say wrong. Please answer.

what did you say is the same thing

END TIME TRIBULATION ”

THE ONLY END TIME WAS FOR JERUSALEM ,BUT YOU HAVE DECIDED NOT TO BELIEVE THAT AND SO TURN ALL SCRIPTURES INTO A TRIBULATION AS MUCH YOU CAN ,WHEN THOSE THINGS DO NOT REALLY EXIST; I HAVE GIVEN YOU GUYS THE SCRIPTURES ;DO NOT EXPECT ME TO REPEAT ,AND REPEAT THEM FOR YOUR INFO ;ONE WORD SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO A WISE MEN ;

BUT YOU HAVE REJECT THEM ALL;SO YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN TRIP AND CLOUD .

[journey42]

Pierre

Keras started this post.
You have publicly declared and stated that he is a deceiver.
What is his charge?

Can you answer this question, because such an accusation is a very strong statement.

[Wakeup]

Yeah,yeah you are the accuser of our brethren Terra.

Bring foreward your scriptures.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,08:53)

Pierre Keras started this post. You have publicly declared and stated that he is a deceiver. What is his charge? Can you answer this question, because such an accusation is a very strong statement.

DID YOU READ HIS BOOK
HERE IS A PART THAT GOES WELL WITH YOU GUYS ;

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My belief, and the premise of this book, is that we are, as at 2011, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, the Land of Greater Israel will be regenerated and Y'hovah's righteous people will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with New Israel, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign. One essential fact to keep in mind with prophecy is the still continuing separation of Israel and Judah. Part of Judah, [the Jews] have returned to some of the Land, but the House of Israel [Joseph, Ephraim, etc] are still scattered around the world. Only God knows their true identity. Where Jacob is used – that refers to all 12 tribes. They are prophesied to rejoin only in the latter days.[this refers to the period prior to the Return] Even the Jews acknowledge that only the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin are

[journey42]

terraricca,Sep. wrote:

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DID YOU READ HIS BOOK HERE IS A PART THAT GOES WELL WITH YOU GUYS ; My belief, and the premise of this book, is that we are, as at 2011, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, the Land of Greater Israel will be regenerated and Y'hovah's righteous people will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with New Israel, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign. One essential fact to keep in mind with prophecy is the still continuing separation of Israel and Judah. Part of Judah, [the Jews] have returned to some of the Land, but the House of Israel [Joseph, Ephraim, etc] are still scattered around the world. Only God knows their true identity. Where Jacob is used – that refers to all 12 tribes. They are prophesied to rejoin only in the latter days.[this refers to the period prior to the Return] Even the Jews acknowledge that only the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin are

No I have not read his book.
Pierre, he did not post his book on this page.  The best place to start would be highlighting and giving reasons why you don't agree with what he's just posted.  By you attacking him straight away because of his book that none of us have read, without reasons, then you discredit yourself acting like a rambler because we don't know what you are going on about?

Give us reasons from what he just posted, then move on and analyse if he puts more on.  If I disagree with anything, I will speak up and give reasons why for sure and not judge him because of your accusing words without evidence.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,10:23)

terraricca,Sep. wrote: [/quote] Quote DID YOU READ HIS BOOK HERE IS A PART THAT GOES WELL WITH YOU GUYS ; My belief, and the premise of this book, is that we are, as at 2011, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, the Land of Greater Israel will be regenerated and Y'hovah's righteous people will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with New Israel, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign. One essential fact to keep in mind with prophecy is the still continuing separation of Israel and Judah. Part of Judah, [the Jews] have returned to some of the Land, but the House of Israel [Joseph, Ephraim, etc] are still scattered around the world. Only God knows their true identity. Where Jacob is used – that refers to all 12 tribes. They are prophesied to rejoin only in the latter days.[this refers to the period prior to the Return] Even the Jews acknowledge that only the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin are No I have not read his book. Pierre, he did not post his book on this page.  The best place to start would be highlighting and giving reasons why you don't agree with what he's just posted.  By you attacking him straight away because of his book that none of us have read, without reasons, then you discredit yourself acting like a rambler because we don't know what you are going on about? Give us reasons from what he just posted, then move on and analyse if he puts more on.  If I disagree with anything, I will speak up and give reasons why for sure and not judge him because of your accusing words without evidence.

I HAVE NO QUARRELS WITH ANYONE ,

I JUST SEE WHAT IS IN SCRIPTURES AND WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY WITH ARROGANCE,AND MAKE IT TO BE TRUE WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES AND THAT'S WERE I AM COMING FROM ;

LOOKING IN SCRIPTURES ;SEE WHAT THEY SAY THAT SHOULD BE THE TEACHING OF SCRIPTURES WHEN IT IS NOT ;

SO YOU SHOW ME WERE YOUR PROPHECIES OF TRIBULATION COMES FROM MAN OR GOD ; TO ME IT IS FROM MAN ;

ALSO SHOW ME THE WORD “TRIBULATION ” IN THE GREEK KOENE ;

IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS ;THEN YOU HAVE ALREADY PROVE MY POINT ;

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,04:00)

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 25 2013,10:23) terraricca,Sep. wrote: Quote DID YOU READ HIS BOOK HERE IS A PART THAT GOES WELL WITH YOU GUYS ; Quote My belief, and the premise of this book, is that we are, as at 2011, very close to the point where God will allow the commencement of the events leading to the end of this age. This will start with an attack on the Jewish State of Israel by a confederation of Islamic nations and entities. Prophecy clearly tells of the outcome of this attack, God will intervene and devastate much of the Middle East, including Israel. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Soon after this, the Land of Greater Israel will be regenerated and Y'hovah's righteous people will gather and settle there. Problems around the world of food, fuel and the economic situation will lead to the formation of a One World government, led eventually by a powerful and charismatic man. Despite making a peace treaty with New Israel, he will attack and conquer them. This starts the Great Tribulation, as described in the book of Revelation. After 3½ years, the Lord Jesus will Return and commence His Millennial reign. One essential fact to keep in mind with prophecy is the still continuing separation of Israel and Judah. Part of Judah, [the Jews] have returned to some of the Land, but the House of Israel [Joseph, Ephraim, etc] are still scattered around the world. Only God knows their true identity. Where Jacob is used – that refers to all 12 tribes. They are prophesied to rejoin only in the latter days.[this refers to the period prior to the Return] Even the Jews acknowledge that only the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin are No I have not read his book. Pierre, he did not post his book on this page.  The best place to start would be highlighting and giving reasons why you don't agree with what he's just posted.  By you attacking him straight away because of his book that none of us have read, without reasons, then you discredit yourself acting like a rambler because we don't know what you are going on about? Give us reasons from what he just posted, then move on and analyse if he puts more on.  If I disagree with anything, I will speak up and give reasons why for sure and not judge him because of your accusing words without evidence. I HAVE NO QUARRELS WITH ANYONE , I JUST SEE WHAT IS IN SCRIPTURES AND WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY WITH ARROGANCE,AND MAKE IT TO BE TRUE WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES AND THAT'S WERE I AM COMING FROM ; LOOKING IN SCRIPTURES ;SEE WHAT THEY SAY THAT SHOULD BE THE TEACHING OF SCRIPTURES WHEN IT IS NOT ; SO YOU SHOW ME WERE YOUR PROPHECIES OF TRIBULATION COMES FROM MAN OR GOD ; TO ME IT IS FROM MAN ; ALSO SHOW ME THE WORD “TRIBULATION ” IN THE GREEK KOENE ; IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS ;THEN YOU HAVE ALREADY PROVE MY POINT ;

Your understanding of the scriptures is just that;
*YOUR UNDERSTANDING*;and it happened to be
90% wrong.
My father is greek,and they still believe in the three gods in one,and mother Mary. So much for the greeks understanding of scriptures.

wakeup.

[journey42]

terraricca,Sep. wrote:

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ALSO SHOW ME THE WORD “TRIBULATION ” IN THE GREEK KOENE ;

Hi Pierre,

I don't go into the greek.  Too confusing for me.  
For example.

This scripture;
KJV
Revelation 7:14   And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Now look at the NIV version
Revelation 7:14   I answered, “Sir, you know.”And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore,

So lets go to the greek word now for tribulation;
and we get (thlipseōs) The KJV and the NIV translated the same? Am I correct.

Now we come to another verse;
KJV
Romans 8:35   Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

NIV
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

So I go to the Greek and the word again was thlipsis.
Niv have now interpreted into the word trouble?
Why didn't they translate into the word tribulation like they did in Rev 7:14?
And the Greek word for distress is is stenochoria.
Too confusing for me.

I am not an expert in Greek.  You cannot expect me to prove something that I don't understand or follow,
we are not expected to be scholars.
God did the hard work for us by choosing men to deliver his word to us in our english language.
Now you want to play on words, and bible versions.
God's word is our dictionary.  The way he delivered to us. You are trusting in men to interpret God's word, forgetting about the spirit of truth he gives us.
There is ancient Greek and modern Greek, and the bible has been tampered to cause confusion so that we are not all reading the same word.

So answer my question please?

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 26 2013,07:50)

terraricca,Sep. wrote: [/quote] Quote ALSO SHOW ME THE WORD “TRIBULATION ” IN THE GREEK KOENE ; Hi Pierre, I don't go into the greek.  Too confusing for me.   For example. This scripture; KJV Revelation 7:14   And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Now look at the NIV version Revelation 7:14   I answered, “Sir, you know.”And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore, So lets go to the greek word now for tribulation; and we get (thlipseōs) The KJV and the NIV translated the same? Am I correct. Now we come to another verse; KJV Romans 8:35   Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? NIV Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? So I go to the Greek and the word again was thlipsis. Niv have now interpreted into the word trouble? Why didn't they translate into the word tribulation like they did in Rev 7:14? And the Greek word for distress is is stenochoria. Too confusing for me. I am not an expert in Greek.  You cannot expect me to prove something that I don't understand or follow, we are not expected to be scholars. God did the hard work for us by choosing men to deliver his word to us in our english language. Now you want to play on words, and bible versions. God's word is our dictionary.  The way he delivered to us. You are trusting in men to interpret God's word, forgetting about the spirit of truth he gives us. There is ancient Greek and modern Greek, and the bible has been tampered to cause confusion so that we are not all reading the same word. So answer my question please?

I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS MANY TIMES ,AND SHOW YOU THAT THE TRIBULATION ARE PART OF OUR LIVES TO BECOME TRUE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST;BUT YOU PUSH IT A SIDE AND IGNORED IT ;

THEN I SHOW YOU THAT THEIR IS NO END TIME TRIBULATION ACCORDING TO CHRIST ,BUT THAT AGAIN YOU PUSH A SIDE AND DISREGARDED ,AND DIP YOURSELF INTO THE MUD OF DELUSION,

SO NO I CAN NOT HELP YOU ,AND HAVE TO DISASSOCIATE FROM YOU,FOR MY OWN SAKE

[journey42]

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Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 26 2013,07:50) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2013,04:00) Quote ALSO SHOW ME THE WORD “TRIBULATION ” IN THE GREEK KOENE ; Hi Pierre, I don't go into the greek.  Too confusing for me.   For example. This scripture; KJV Revelation 7:14   And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Now look at the NIV version Revelation 7:14   I answered, “Sir, you know.”And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore, So lets go to the greek word now for tribulation; and we get (thlipseōs) The KJV and the NIV translated the same? Am I correct. Now we come to another verse; KJV Romans 8:35   Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? NIV Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? So I go to the Greek and the word again was thlipsis. Niv have now interpreted into the word trouble? Why didn't they translate into the word tribulation like they did in Rev 7:14? And the Greek word for distress is is stenochoria. Too confusing for me. I am not an expert in Greek.  You cannot expect me to prove something that I don't understand or follow, we are not expected to be scholars. God did the hard work for us by choosing men to deliver his word to us in our english language. Now you want to play on words, and bible versions. God's word is our dictionary.  The way he delivered to us. You are trusting in men to interpret God's word, forgetting about the spirit of truth he gives us. There is ancient Greek and modern Greek, and the bible has been tampered to cause confusion so that we are not all reading the same word. So answer my question please? I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS MANY TIMES ,AND SHOW YOU THAT THE TRIBULATION ARE PART OF OUR LIVES TO BECOME TRUE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST;BUT YOU PUSH IT A  SIDE AND IGNORED IT ; THEN I SHOW YOU THAT THEIR IS NO END TIME TRIBULATION ACCORDING TO CHRIST ,BUT THAT AGAIN YOU PUSH A SIDE AND DISREGARDED ,AND DIP YOURSELF INTO THE MUD OF DELUSION, SO NO I CAN NOT HELP YOU ,AND HAVE TO DISASSOCIATE FROM YOU,FOR MY OWN SAKE

Pierre,

You asked me to show you the Greek Koene (I don't even know what Koene means but suspect it means word?)

So I did that.
Now please answer me the discrepancy there.
Don't change the subject please.

Again.
Why was the Greek word thlipsis translated into the word TRIBULATION in one verse by the NIV, (Rev 7:14)
but not in the other verse in Romans 8:35? NIV.

Same word thlipsis. Two different words.
Why why why?

[journey42]

Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 26 2013,14:46)

If you ask me to explain the Greek to you,
then you must be an expert in Greek.
You should be able to answer.

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