Uncertainty

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,02:53)

Hi Kj, Perhaps the whole of John should go. Is your bible starting to shape up or more cuts coming?

Synoptics: parables, casts out demons, says eternal life comes from keeping the commandments, tries to adhere to the Law, makes Jews out to be superior to Gentiles

John: no parables, no demons, says eternal life is through him, calls the Law “your law” or “their law” as if he wants nothing more to do with it, makes Jews out to be children of Satan.

[NickHassan]

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 20 2008,23:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,02:53) Hi Kj, Perhaps the whole of John should go. Is your bible starting to shape up or more cuts coming? Synoptics: parables, casts out demons, says eternal life comes from keeping the commandments, tries to adhere to the Law, makes Jews out to be superior to Gentiles John: no parables, no demons, says eternal life is through him, calls the Law “your law” or “their law” as if he wants nothing more to do with it, makes Jews out to be children of Satan.

Hi KJ,
Guess what?
It is you who needs to start learning from the proven sons of God.

[kejonn]

Who would that be Nick? Oh yes, the disciples. I guess they are “proven” because someone said they were.

Really Nick, your “advice” is again vague and devoid of real substance. You keep speaking of reality when you so often just respond with philosophy.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
I know where truth is to be found.
You seem to have lost that hope
and decided just to trust yourself.

Is that wise?

[kejonn]

Joh 8:17  “Even in your law it has been written that the testimony of two men is true.

Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'?

Joh 7:19  “Did not Moses give you the Law, and yet none of you carries out the Law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”

Joh 7:23  “If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses will not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath?

Joh 15:25  “But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'THEY HATED ME WITHOUT A CAUSE.'

Compare this to what Joshua said of the Law:

Jos 24:26  And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God; and he took a large stone and set it up there under the oak that was by the sanctuary of the LORD.

In GoJ, the Law is “your law”, “their law”, and the “law of Moses”. Nowhere in John do you see that Jesus claims to have anything to do with the Law. Does that match what he said here?

Mat 5:17  “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18  “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

But now all of a sudden Jesus distances himself from that Law.

Why?

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,12:31)

Hi KJ, I know where truth is to be found. You seem to have lost that hope and decided just to trust yourself. Is that wise?

You know where you turn to for your version of the truth, which is in turn interpreted accordding to your sensibilities, and is different from another Christian's version of the truth based on the same source. Which one of you has the real truth?

[NickHassan]

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 20 2008,23:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,02:53) Hi Kj, Perhaps the whole of John should go. Is your bible starting to shape up or more cuts coming? Synoptics: parables, casts out demons, says eternal life comes from keeping the commandments, tries to adhere to the Law, makes Jews out to be superior to Gentiles John: no parables, no demons, says eternal life is through him, calls the Law “your law” or “their law” as if he wants nothing more to do with it, makes Jews out to be children of Satan.

Hi KJ,
So difference in approach and style has now become for you strong evidence that it is not truth but falsehood.

I do not think you are in a position to cast overboard your map and compass.

You are becalmed and need the wind to blow.

[kejonn]

Here's a question: since God is omniscient, He knew Cain would kill Abel. That being the case, why didn't He just impregnate Eve, let Cain kill Abel, and be done with the whole scenario from the start?

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,12:40)

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 20 2008,23:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,02:53) Hi Kj, Perhaps the whole of John should go. Is your bible starting to shape up or more cuts coming? Synoptics: parables, casts out demons, says eternal life comes from keeping the commandments, tries to adhere to the Law, makes Jews out to be superior to Gentiles John: no parables, no demons, says eternal life is through him, calls the Law “your law” or “their law” as if he wants nothing more to do with it, makes Jews out to be children of Satan. Hi KJ, So difference in approach and style has now become for you strong evidence that it is not truth but falsehood. I do not think you are in a position to cast overboard your map and compass. You are becalmed and need the wind to blow.

More philosophy Nick? What happened to reality? So are you saying Jesus had a different style and approach? What happened to

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forevor

?

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
You seem to have lost you fear of the Almighty and become brave enough to challenge His plan.
Are you His equal?

Job 21:22
Shall any teach God knowledge? seeing he judgeth those that are high.

[kejonn]

You are assuming that the God of the bible is indeed the God of the universe. I do not. I see the God of the bible as a certain view of God that is man-made and has much truth but additionally much superstition and biased viewpoints. Can you prove otherwise? No, you have faith that the bible is infallible. Thus, that is your truth of God. So you believe in a God who
(1) Is perfect but willingly created an imperfect creation. When the imperfect creation made one mistake, God kicked the imperfect creation out of paradise. However, God said He made man in His image, so why would man be imperfect? And why would God get mad about man being like Him if He made him that way?
(2) Made imperfect man, who was supposed to be in His image, and then got mad when the imperfect creation kept making mistakes such that He then flooded the world to basically “start over”.
(3) But God started with the same old imperfect origin so man kept on sinning. Therefore, God chose one tribe out of the whole world to give a bunch of “dos” and “do nots”. If they did not live up to this set of rules, He required them to kill something to make up for it. When they killed something, God — who is supposed to be spirit — enjoyed the fragrance of the burning of the poor creature.
(4) But this God messed up again because He knowingly gave this tribe a set of rules He knew they could never live up to. Still, He allowed them to live under this burdensome rules for 1400 more years.
(5) In the meantime, the God of the bible had this tribe going around killing other people and taking their land, including their children and animals.
(6) Finally, after playing the same cruel joke on this tribe for so long, the God of the bible decided to have a human child and impregnated someone else's fiance. But He forgot to tell all of the previous prophets about the child, so he had others tell people it was a mystery and accept that story.
(7) Because God gave them rules they could not live by, God decided that His child needed to die. But unlike any sacrifice, He only let the child stay dead for 3 days. He then rose the child back to life and brought him back home to heaven to sit at His right hand.
(8) But the tribe He gave all the rules to could not find anything about this child in all that God told them, so the tribe did not accept the child. Thus, God decided it was time to ditch the tribe and turn to others. He therefore had the child speak to one Saul of Tarsus who then went on to tell of the child's death but very little about the child's life.
(9) But that is not the end of the story! In the end the child will return. All who do not accept the child as lord and master will be raised from the dead and tortured.

That about right?

[NickHassan]

Hi Kj,
No we cannot prove to you something you cannot see.
God can.

But you will have to get over your anger against Him
and show Him a little more respect.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Amazing how a little bad leaven can spoil a precious loaf.
Galatians 5:9
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,13:40)

Hi Kj, No we cannot prove to you something you cannot see. God can. But you will have to get over your anger against Him and show Him a little more respect.

You mistake my lack of belief in the infallibility of a compilation of books written by men thousands of years ago as “anger” against God. God can not be held accountable by what men write of Him, now can He?

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,13:44)

Hi KJ, Amazing how a little bad leaven can spoil a precious loaf. Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Yes, and this can apply to the bible. Add up all the very human characteristics given to God, and you see the leaven therein.

[kejonn]

If God is spirit, how did Adam and Eve hear Him walking in the garden? The initial view of God according to the bible was very human it seems.

[NickHassan]

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 21 2008,09:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,13:44) Hi KJ, Amazing how a little bad leaven can spoil a precious loaf. Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Yes, and this can apply to the bible. Add up all the very human characteristics given to God, and you see the leaven therein.

Hi KJ,
You trample on precious things with your own big feet.
Perhaps you should do so elsewhere?
We love the Word

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,17:16)

Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 21 2008,09:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,13:44) Hi KJ, Amazing how a little bad leaven can spoil a precious loaf. Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Yes, and this can apply to the bible. Add up all the very human characteristics given to God, and you see the leaven therein. Hi KJ, You trample on precious things with your own big feet. Perhaps you should do so elsewhere? We love the Word Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I am not posting in what Stu calls the “Boy Scout” section, so what is your issue? You continue to offer up platitudes but are very short on a good defenses for the obvious human errors of the bible.

So with each answer you act like the typical fundamental Christian who must “shake the dust off” because blind faith offers no defense.

[kejonn]

In just the first chapters, you have issues:

Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

So God makes man in His image and likeness according to Genesis but then later says:

Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”–

Well duh, according to Gen 1:26-27 man was made in God's image so why the change of heart when He discovers that man has become like the one Who made him?!?
So you see Nick, very human view of God makes for some big boo-boos.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Are we fortunate to have someone as intelligent as yourself to correct the bible for us?

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