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I just wanted to know what happens if you want to believ in Him but you can’t.
What if you really want to believ in God and the Savior but you keep asking questions without answers until you can’t believe any more?
please help!Mark 9
23 ” ‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”
24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”I think that you need to pray consistently till God answers.
Luke 11:9
“So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.God will reveal the truth to you if you are really serious about serving God.
Hi Chriz
Just believing isn’t really going to get you on the right track. The Demons also believe in God and are definitely travelling on the wrong bus!
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
KJVI would suggest you make an effort to seek out answers from those who are familiar with the word of God, His bible! By taking that step to seek, the Lord will see to it that you find the answers.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
KJVREMEMBER: With so many differing doctrines(teachings) out there, you will know which one is true by using that gift that God has given all of us, COMMON SENSE!
The answers that are given need to have absolutely no contradictions, tie in perfectly and harmonize with the whole bible, being simple to understand with plain simple scriptual evidence. If the given explanation is not clear and simple to understand; than keep searching!
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
KJVYou’ll get there.
You know what?? I am in a tug of war with the bible and science. Recently I have been watching movie clips on Quantum Physics and The Secret (laws of attraction). The bible, doctrines…. stress me out, make no sense, battered and bruised and only a few proofs, and causes arguments and war between religions.
Quantum Science and The Secret doesnt stress me out, makes perfect sense, has proofs and causes no war or arguments (except with religions).
So tell me, does God want me to seek hard for him? (decipher the codes of the bible in order to find the correct religion, church or truth) or is he right there in front of me? (in all the creations of earth and the universe and above?)
I assumed God meant for things to be Simple for us. So, is the bible simple? or is Science Simple?
Correct me if Im wrong.
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PhoenixOh by the way… I didnt think i was uncertain (which I realise the subject was saying) about God of Jesus. I actually believe in them… in a way, to me, science believes in God and believes Jesus is who they say he is “The Way”…. yeah he came here to Show Us The Way
BTW, I get the feeling im in the wrong board I know *sigh* sorry hehe
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PhoenixOk I thought editing my previous post would bump this thread up so that I could hide evidence that I was in the wrong thread!! Tsk tsk
Besides this thread is more important to me
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PhoenixQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 22 2007,19:08) Hi P,
Science can be the new godless religion.
It's in the dictionary!Technocracy:
Government by technical scientists and engineers.
I WANT TO PUT THESE Scriptures up for all to show all what we should do with Unelievers.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an Anti-Christ.
2John1:8 Look to yourself's, that we do not loose those things we worked for, that we may receivea full reward.
2 John 1:9 Whoever trensgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both, the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, DO NOT RECEIVE HIM INTO YOUR HOUSE NOR GREET HIM.
2 John 1:11 For He who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
I hope and pray that we will follow John's advice.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Then again, there is this:
Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him,they worshipped him: but some doubted…
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:1Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in you hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Stuart
Hi,
If those who trust only in science restricted their ministry to teaching it then it would seem honest. But many have taken on a mission to deny God and his revelation through scripture.
Why?Because they do not like the idea of submitting to a God. So they will use anything to try and convince themselves that there is no God.
Bit like the guys who want the rocks to fall on them rather than face God. Why would anyone want rocks to fall on them?
Revelation 6:16
They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!Quote (chriztena @ June 14 2003,11:56) I just wanted to know what happens if you want to believ in Him but you can't.
What if you really want to believ in God and the Savior but you keep asking questions without answers until you can't believe any more?
please help!
Did you mean be.. “lie”..v when you used the spelling “believ”?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2007,06:11) Hi,
If those who trust only in science restricted their ministry to teaching it then it would seem honest. But many have taken on a mission to deny God and his revelation through scripture.
Why?
The two issues are separate in my mind. They are only conjoined by religious fundamentalists who see red at the fact of evolution and cannot see past the illusion of design. You get to the point where you say that there is no specific need to have a creator to explain life on earth and immediately you are accused of being a non-believer. Well it is true the two do not share the christian's view, but that does not necessarily imply atheism. That happened to me here, I started out defending evolutionary theory against some pretty ignorant rants. Of course when I was asked, I certainly fronted up with my own atheism, but is was a christian who decided it must be true first. Why that? Have posters here never met christians who know about how evolution works? There is even a thread whose tone is disbelieving at the idea of christian 'evolutionists'.So I deny revelation etc because it is absurd, anti-human nonsense, fit for little children to grow out of. I also promote our best way of finding out how things are, the scientific method, because it works and revelation doesn't.
Stuart
T8
Quote Because they do not like the idea of submitting to a God. So they will use anything to try and convince themselves that there is no God.
Have you spoken personally and candidly with believers about whether they have any honest and open thought about faith or lack of it? How much success are you having in convincing non-believers? I think your rate of patronising me, for I am likely the only one here for whom your post could apply, is averaging about once a week. Do you have even the faintest clue about whether your ignorant rant could be accurate or way off the mark? Judging by your willingness to go on and on in a monotone about design despite your evident lack of basic biological knowledge I would say your mind is shut tight to the range of beliefs held that are not yours. Is this unfair?Are you saying that for as long as you can remember you have had religious belief? From very early childhood? Are you saying you have never gone through the process of convincing yourself there is a god? How about you tell us about that instead of making fatuous statements.
Stuart
I admit to not being that dedicated to helping those who do not believe.
I have in the past, but for this season, I have other things to concentrate on. That said, if there was a person who genuinely was seeking truth, I would try and help.
As far as patronizing goes, well I think a bit of humour is good when people teach or try to convince others that nothing created everything. Humour is another way of saying that this discussion has gone beyond the state of seriousness.
Come on stu, a ridiculous statement or theory like that deserves a bit of stick don't you think?
Think of nothing, then think of a banana.
Now imagine the first stage. The stage after nothing.
What do you see?
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 07 2007,23:51) As far as patronizing goes, well I think a bit of humour is good when people teach or try to convince others that nothing created everything. Humour is another way of saying that this discussion has gone beyond the state of seriousness. Come on stu, a ridiculous statement or theory like that deserves a bit of stick don't you think?
Think of nothing, then think of a banana.
Now imagine the first stage. The stage after nothing.
What do you see?
It's hilarious t8, I'm wetting myself. Gee. Chortle.I'm not sure you would find too many, even here, who would equate patronising someone with humour. Do you think you have some kind of in-joke with a dedicated audience?
How do you go with deuterocanonical scripture?
2 Maccabees 7:28 Son, look upon heaven and earth, and all that is in them: and consider that God made them out of nothing.
Ex nihilo – from nothing. Did your Non-Existent Friend have lots of stuff from which to make the universe, or did he create from nothing? Is he nothing, or was he created from nothing? If he had stuff, couldn't you already call that a universe? Who created him? What does creation by your creator predict? Microwave radiation? Given the utter lack of need for him by any scientific theory or by a very large chunk of the world population, it's almost as if the creator is an add-on invention of the deluded imagination…
Stuart
Hi Stu,
Is the only reality what you can see and understand?
Is there nothing beyond your vision?
Is it all about you then?Hi Stu,
Are you the only one who can influence your life? Are you in complete control? When you drive along the road do you worry that opposing cars could cross the centre line and do you some serious injury?
All life and it's consequences are beyond our complete control and that is the comfort of scripture.It shows that God is aware of the life of everyone who knows him or not and is a constant positive influence for good. Bad things do happen but those who know Him walk in peace. And beyond life there is a resurrection for all and it is better to have already obtained forgiveness in His son.
Hi Nick
Quote Is the only reality what you can see and understand?
Yes. The same is true for you.Quote Is there nothing beyond your vision?
No, but there is nothing that cannot in principle be brought within range of my ‘vision’.Quote Is it all about you then?
No, I am not christian, and my worldview is not egocentric. I am utterly astonished to have been born human. The universe does not particularly care about me. It is remarkable that evolution by natural selection has resulted in at least one species able to consider its own existence. There is no special rigging of things to make my sentience more likely to have happened – it just is. I think it is all about you if you have a special programme that will ensure you a place in the club class lounge of the next life as long as you keep paying the subscriptions in this one. I have no special requirements. My brief time on this planet is a joyous curiosity in itself without me trying to think of myself as the product of some unlikely and incomprehensible overplan.Quote Are you the only one who can influence your life? Are you in complete control? When you drive along the road do you worry that opposing cars could cross the centre line and do you some serious injury?
Surely I am not. I'm not certain I know why this is relevant, though.Quote All life and it's consequences are beyond our complete control and that is the comfort of scripture.
Does scripture make you immune to cars crossing the centreline?Quote It shows that God is aware of the life of everyone who knows him or not and is a constant positive influence for good. Bad things do happen but those who know Him walk in peace.
That sounds like soft soap to me.Quote And beyond life there is a resurrection for all and it is better to have already obtained forgiveness in His son.
Do you have to take your christian clubcard with you when you go to heaven, or do they have a computer record of the points you have accumulated here on earth?Stuart
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