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[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,19:31)

Then your answer is nothing. That equates to nothing before time.

I refer you to my actual answer.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,19:34)

So you believe out of nothing, a singularity appeared and time and space sprang forth. That is your religion. Stu says C).

I disagree with your strawman verion of Big Bang theory, and I especially object to you calling it a religion. Religions are fantasy stories for the deluded that are based on no unambiguous evidence, whilst the evidence in favour of modern cosmology is overwhelming and abundant. It's science, and science has always been corrosive to religious dogma, and that is a great thing for humanity.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,19:41)

So if I asked you Stu, Is there anything before the Big Bang? You would say no. That means there was no things or no anything, or more simply put: NOTHING. You have faith and a belief that there was Nothing and then SOMETHING appeared out of nothing. Boy can I make a meal out of that.

That isn't what I said. Do we need a thread called Reality for those who are struggling?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,19:42)

A) nothing STU B) something CHARITY C) someone (Consciousness) T8 Let the games begin. Who wants to take the first shot?

I thought you appreciated aspects of cosmology t8. But apparently all you want from it is a mindless, moronic religious points-scoring exercise.

Fortunately the real universe has such great beauty that it will absorb and ignore the tiny petty ugliness you seem to wish to project onto it.

Stuart

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lol. I predicted you would react this way.

This is a must answer question just in case I am reading your view wrong.

Was there anything before the Big Bang?

Yes
No

I am sure you will answer no, and thus proving my point.

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However, knowing that you will do anything to delay being exposed by hiding behind as many technicalities as possible, if this question is a non question to you, then please answer this one instead.

Was there anything before the Singularity that eventually grew to the Universe that it is now?

Yes
No.

You are free to answer either question.

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I look forward to you saying no, or providing yet another delay tactic.

Funny thing is I am almost more interested in seeing what delay tactic you can front up than you saying no. And if you do delay further, I will play your game for a while because it is just a matter of time that you will have to be forthright about what you actually believe and I will enjoy every minute of interrogation of a person who is trying hard to hide what he really believes. If you just front up with the yes no question, then that is less news worthy, but the games will begin.

I await your answer.

Good times.

[charity]

classic

stu: Can you see God?
t8: No

stu: Can you touch God?
t8: No

stu: Then there is no God!

(Few minutes later)

t8: Sir, can you see your brain?
Teacher: No

t8: Can you touch your brain?
stu : No

t8: Oho ok, so you have no brain!

timothy2: ok, so your Brain cant see its self but it knows it there, Can you see God?

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Oh, ha ha. I get it. And such wit.

Okay I will try and match your wit.

t8: Can you see the eternal something that you believe in?
charity: no

t8: Can you touch the proof that the Universe was around forever?
charity: no

It seems obvious charity that you mock others, God, and the Bible. But I have never seen you mock yourself directly. Although some of your posts come close as they seem to indirectly make fun of your mind.

That is my opinion.

And I do appreciate a good laugh now and then, so not complaining.

[charity]

Yea I mock Myself all the time by posting muck ups!

hEY, Its as Hard to create “something” aN obviously just as Hard to believe it was Just always space there all eternity!.

lol

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,20:22)

lol. I predicted you would react this way. This is a must answer question just in case I am reading your view wrong. Was there anything before the Big Bang? Yes No I am sure you will answer no, and thus proving my point.

You are asking me what is north of the North Pole.

You tell me what you think is north of the North Pole.

Stuart

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Ke?

You do not believe that there was anything before the Big Bang, thus nothing is your answer.
Nothing means the lack of something.
It is a useful English word used by many people.

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Quote (Stu @ Mar. 01 2013,07:35)

You are asking me what is north of the North Pole. You tell me what you think is north of the North Pole. Stuart

I don't see a question mark.  

What do you think is north of the North Pole?

A) Nothing
B) Something

If there was nothing north of the North Pole, then 'nothing' would answer that question.

Or, if I consider that there is an imaginary pole going through the Earth that the Earth spins around on, then the northern end of that pole could potentially extend to the heavens which means the answer would be the North Star which is in the path of that direction of the pole. Depends if the pole strictly ends at the surface of the last atom layer of the Earth or continues potentially outward to space. Let's face it, the Earth spins because of influences beyond the Earth itself. I can't be bothered googling whether this is possible or not given the possible definitions of the north pole.

I could also say, the South Pole or south, because that would be like asking what number value is 5-6? -1. And negatives are still numbers. This would only work if you imagine the pole as a point on the surface of the globe and not a pole that extends either way. Thus when heading north toward the north pole in a straight line but obviously really a curve, I would then head south after that. If I kept going I would hit the North Pole again, thus the North could work too. Would need to stipulate the starting point and how many kms you were travelling.

Of course it is possible to pick holes in what I am saying here, but the first answer is absolutely acceptable. If the North Pole is the furthest north one can go, then nothing is the answer.

Nothing is a very useful word. Once you learn its meaning, you will be surprised how useful it is.

[Stu]

People actually reading what other people write is so unfashionable these days, I find.

Stuart

[charity]

Walk a mile in an-others shoes when you cant last a Day in Their head?

The Games That are Played!

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So back to our beliefs.

In the Nothing corner we have an ape called Stu.
In the Something corner we have Heckler called Charity.
In the Someone corner we have a soldier called T8.

Where do I begin. So many opportunities.

Okay, T8 believes that the Universe is created by the prime consciousness. T8 has been ridiculed and teased by some for this belief, even though T8 represents what most humans also believe. Stu and Charity have made fun of the fact that I or others believe in God. At least one of these believe it is like accepting that faires exist. Obviously, they don't have a clue about this subject and lack basic logic and understanding too. So let's see what these self-professed wise (wo)men actually believe themselves. I will keep it short in this post for time sake. It will humour you when you see that those who point the finger are in actual fact the ones that need the finger pointed at them.

Stu believes that a singularity can just appear where there was nothing and then inflate to cause the galaxies, stars, planets, atoms, and life. What a joke. I am lost for words.

Charity believes that the universe has always existed in some form because there was always something. First off, she is at loggerheads with current scientific thinking, yet I think her belief is way more feasible than Stu's. That said it is still full of holes. One big gaping hole is that this something produced life, yet does not possess that attribute itself. And what proof does she have? Nothing. She is also blind to the fact that an eternal something doesn't actually rule out God because this eternal something only needs to possess consciousness and it is God. But she denies that possibility based not on reason, but emotions.

So on the scale of Likely to impossible I put God first, Something eternal second, and Nothing third. But I will let you into a little secret. The last 2 options are actually impossible.

But the real point I want to make is this. That those who ridicule and mock usually do so because they are really the ones with a problem, but physiologically they look to pin fault on others, but never themselves.

Stu and Charity, I believe you are exposed. But let's hear some intelligent arguments (I doubt you have any) as to why your belief is the right one and that belief in God is foolishness.

I would really love to hear why this is.

Now your chance. You have the floor.

[charity]

at work now….But

If christian Eternity Has No End, That Means IT CAN NEVER End…yES everlasting. Why are you needing a Start If you believe it Definitly will be never end………………………………………………………………! Forever!!!!

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charity. Eternal life doesn't mean that you lived forever in the past.
It means a staring point and it never ends from there.

Only God has always been. He would obviously be outside of time if he created the Universe.

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 02 2013,15:08)

Only God has always been. He would obviously be outside of time if he created the Universe.

Obviously.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2013,21:17)

But let's hear some intelligent arguments (I doubt you have any) as to why your belief is the right one and that belief in God is foolishness. I would really love to hear why this is. Now your chance. You have the floor.

What again??

Do you really have that poor a memory?

Stuart

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