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THERE ARE TWO “CREATIONS” REFERENCED FOR HEAVEN AND EARTH
In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. [Gen 1:1]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things became by it; and without it not one thing became that has become.[John 1:1-3][Tyndale Bible; 1525][Great Bible; 1539][Geneva Bible; 1560][Bishops bible; 1568]There are two “beginnings” referenced for heaven and earth, just as there are two “destructions;” one as the changing of a garment, and one with fervent heat..
Look at how the Psalmist foretells of the fading away of the old, and establishment of a new: “They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: [Psa 102:26]
And look at how Isaiah foretells of the same incident: “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.” [Isa 51:6]
Peter tells of a “fervent heat” that shall melt the elements; this is one “destruction” of the heaven and earth. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [2 Pet 3:10,12]
“Fervent heat” is not the same as a “fading garment.” The first will be changed as a garment is changes; the second will be destroyed with fervent heat of a fire.
“Smoke” is not “fervent heat” and a fading garment is not a burning element. This is the changing of a garment, the changing of a covenant, and the changeing of the “old” for the “new.”
THERE ARE TWO CREATIONS DESCRIBED IN SCRIPTURE
THE FIRST – Isa 51:11 “HATH STRETCHED AND LAID:”
“Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away. 12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;13 And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that HATH STRETCHED forth the heavens, AND LAID the foundations of the earth;THE NEW – “THAT I MAY PLANT AND LAY:”
Isa 51:16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, THAT I MAY plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.“Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is HIS SON's name, if thou canst tell? [Prov 30:4]
Proverbs tells us that the one who established the ends of the earth had a son. Jesus did not have a son. Jehovah did. Jesus is not Jehovah. Jesus did not establish the ends of the earth, he established a new covenant and the “new creation” whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” just as delineated by Paul in [Col 1:16]
John tells us “all things by it became” referencing the logos of God, and when Jesus preached the sermon on the mount, establishing new parameters for the new kingdom of God; and when Jesus was raised far above all principality and power, dominion and throne in heavenly places, so that all former relationships were changed, he “established” the new heavens and earth.
Compare the two “passings” of the two “heavens” and the two “earths” and you will see Isaiah knew there would be a “new” and an “old;” that the new would replace the old.
NEW THINGS
Isaiah 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.NEW HEAVEN – NEW EARTH
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.NEW COVENANT
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.NEW AGE
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he (ginomai) made the ages;NEW COMMANDMENT
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. -John 13:34REFERENCED AGAIN BY JOHN
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. -1 John 2:7And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. -2 John 1:5
NEW COMMANDMENT
Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:8-11NEW COMMUNION IN KINGDOM
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. -Mat 26:29Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. -Mark 14:25
NEW COVENANT
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: -Heb 8:8In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. -Heb 8:13
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. -Heb 12:24
NEW CREATURE
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. -2 Cor 5:1For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor
uncircumcision, but a new creature. -Gal 6:15NEW DOCTRINE
And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among
themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him. -Mark 1:27And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? -Acts 17:19
NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH< br>Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. -2 Pet 3:13
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. -Rev 21:1
NEW JERUSALEM
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. -Rev 3:12And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. -Rev 21:2
NEW LUMP
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: -1 Cor 5:7NEW MAN
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; -Eph 2:15And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. -Eph 4:24
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: -Col 3:10
NEW NAME
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. -Rev 2:17NEW SONG
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; -Rev 5:9And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. -Rev 14:3
NEW TESTAMENT
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. -2 Cor 3:6NEW TESTAMENT MEDIATOR
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. -Heb 9:15NEW TESTAMENT IN JESUS' BLOOD
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. -Mat 26:28And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. -Mark 14:24
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. -Luke 22:20
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. -1 Cor 11:25
NEW TONGUES
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; -Mark 16:17NEW WAY
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; -Heb 10:20ALL THINGS NEW
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. -Rev 21:5NEW CREATURE
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become (gegonen) new. -2 Cor 5:17ALL THINGS NEW BECAME
John 1:3 All things became (egeneto) by it; and without it not one thing became (egeneto) that has become (gegonen).[Tyndale Bible; 1525][Great Bible; 1539][Geneva Bible; 1560][Bishops bible; 1568]June 22, 2009 at 3:19 pm#134187bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Paladin @ June 23 2009,01:28) THERE ARE TWO “CREATIONS” REFERENCED FOR HEAVEN AND EARTH
In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. [Gen 1:1]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things became by it; and without it not one thing became that has become.[John 1:1-3][Tyndale Bible; 1525][Great Bible; 1539][Geneva Bible; 1560][Bishops bible; 1568]There are two “beginnings” referenced for heaven and earth, just as there are two “destructions;” one as the changing of a garment, and one with fervent heat..
Look at how the Psalmist foretells of the fading away of the old, and establishment of a new: “They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: [Psa 102:26]
And look at how Isaiah foretells of the same incident: “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.” [Isa 51:6]
Peter tells of a “fervent heat” that shall melt the elements; this is one “destruction” of the heaven and earth. “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [2 Pet 3:10,12]
“Fervent heat” is not the same as a “fading garment.” The first will be changed as a garment is changes; the second will be destroyed with fervent heat of a fire.
“Smoke” is not “fervent heat” and a fading garment is not a burning element. This is the changing of a garment, the changing of a covenant, and the changeing of the “old” for the “new.”
THERE ARE TWO CREATIONS DESCRIBED IN SCRIPTURE
THE FIRST – Isa 51:11 “HATH STRETCHED AND LAID:”
“Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away. 12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;13 And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that HATH STRETCHED forth the heavens, AND LAID the foundations of the earth;THE NEW – “THAT I MAY PLANT AND LAY:”
Isa 51:16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, THAT I MAY plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.“Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is HIS SON's name, if thou canst tell? [Prov 30:4]
Proverbs tells us that the one who established the ends of the earth had a son. Jesus did not have a son. Jehovah did. Jesus is not Jehovah. Jesus did not establish the ends of the earth, he established a new covenant and the “new creation” whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” just as delineated by Paul in [Col 1:16]
John tells us “all things by it became” referencing the logos of God, and when Jesus preached the sermon on the mount, establishing new parameters for the new kingdom of God; and when Jesus was raised far above all principality and power, dominion and throne in heavenly places, so that all former relationships were changed, he “established” the new heavens and earth.
Compare the two “passings” of the two “heavens” and the two “earths” and you will see Isaiah knew there would be a “new” and an “old;” that the new would replace the old.
NEW THINGS
Isaiah 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.NEW HEAVEN – NEW EARTH
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.NEW COVENANT
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.NEW AGE
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he (ginomai) made the ages;NEW COMMANDMENT
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. -John 13:34REFERENCED AGAIN BY JOHN
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. -1 John 2:7And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. -2 John 1:5
NEW COMMANDMENT
Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:8-11NEW COMMUNION IN KINGDOM
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. -Mat 26:29Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. -Mark 14:25
NEW COVENANT
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: -Heb 8:8In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. -Heb 8:13
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. -Heb 12:24
NEW CREATURE
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. -2 Cor 5:1For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor
uncircumcision, but a new creature. -Gal 6:15NEW DOCTRINE
And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among
themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclea
n spirits, and they do obey him. -Mark 1:27And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? -Acts 17:19
NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. -2 Pet 3:13And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. -Rev 21:1
NEW JERUSALEM
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. -Rev 3:12And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. -Rev 21:2
NEW LUMP
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: -1 Cor 5:7NEW MAN
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; -Eph 2:15And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. -Eph 4:24
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: -Col 3:10
NEW NAME
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. -Rev 2:17NEW SONG
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; -Rev 5:9And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. -Rev 14:3
NEW TESTAMENT
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. -2 Cor 3:6NEW TESTAMENT MEDIATOR
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. -Heb 9:15NEW TESTAMENT IN JESUS' BLOOD
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. -Mat 26:28And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. -Mark 14:24
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. -Luke 22:20
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. -1 Cor 11:25
NEW TONGUES
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; -Mark 16:17NEW WAY
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; -Heb 10:20ALL THINGS NEW
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. -Rev 21:5NEW CREATURE
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become (gegonen) new. -2 Cor 5:17ALL THINGS NEW BECAME
John 1:3 All things became (egeneto) by it; and without it not one thing became (egeneto) that has become (gegonen).[Tyndale Bible; 1525][Great Bible; 1539][Geneva Bible; 1560][Bishops bible; 1568]
The first creation is actual Jesus making all things “new” is allegory explaining the inward change of his followers.It's like how a Father drives his actual car to work and his little child drives his toy car to a imaginary place of work.
(3) Say: “Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth?” Say: “(It is) Allah.” Say: “Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?” Say: “Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with light?” Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created (anything) as He has created, so that the creation seemed to them similar? Say: “(Allah) is the creator of all things: He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible.”
( سورة الرعد , Ar-Rad, Chapter #13, Verse #16)(11) Such is Allah, your Lord, the creator of all things, there is no god but He: Then how ye are deluded away from the Truth!
( سورة غافر , Ghafir, Chapter #40, Verse #62) - AuthorPosts
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