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Hi Jodi,
In Revelation he is cast out of heaven with his angels-also seen in a vision by Jesus-so he was a leader of angels who was, at least, able to enter heaven.
He said he had been on the earth when speaking, rather disrespectfully, to God.
Scripture speaks of his throne on earth.
So was this being the prince responsible for earth?
Did he rebel and become the ruler of earth before the creation of humans?
Who knows?
T8….You seem to have trouble with the wording, JESUS CHRIST, INSTEAD OF JESUS THE CHRIST. Why not get a original Greek Translation, and you will see the wording is always “Jesus (THE) Christ”, Not “JESUS CHRIST”.
DON’T JUST BELIEVE ME, listen to what Jodi posted and Nick. Your “preexisting” views of Jesus is preventing you from seeing Jesus correctly brother.
As far as the “Antichrist” goes, that does have everything to do with this subject, because it is you who view Jesus did not come into his “existence” in the flesh, and thats why you deny his human ANOINTING PROCESS on this earth because you believe he already was at his berth, so in your view he had no need to be Baptized by John, Making your view of him a Antichrist. Why?, because you see Jesus not as a real human being exactly as we are, but as a preexisting being of somekind who was alread anointed. So in that way you are denying his “flesh and blood” anointing, you are indeed ANTICHRIST as were the Gnostic’s.
T8….Moving Jesus away from his human roots, is exactly what the Gnostic’s of Paul and John’s day were doing and they were the Antichrists, who were in the true church and did not remain, but went out and started their own false churches, creating many false doctrines which over time infected the whole church, causing many, many, to fall away from the truth, because they did not love the truth and God sent unto them a Deluding Spirit inorder for then to “believe” a “LIE”. 2Ths 2. They believed in Jesus as you do, but they did not believe he needed to be baptized, why because the believed he was a God already and therefore he had no need to be baptized to recieve the holy spirit, as you do also.
Jesus was one of us T8 from the very begining of his existence. Come out of that false belief T8 and believe the truth, Jesus is the anointed one of God and that anointing took place on the “man” Jesus, when he was baptized at the Jordan river by John the Baptist.
There are three that have beared witnesses to you here T8, me, Nick, and Jodi. Please for yoursake and others reconsider you position on this issue and the light of truth will come unto you brother. This site can become a major work of our Lord, but you have to get it right first, and you will be amazed at what can happen here. This site could become one of the greatest used as a witness for the truth on earth today.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi T8,
Show me one condemning word.
Or change your attitude.
Be a true teacher.
Nick, is someone hijacking your account because you seem to have no memory of accusing others of not being led by the Spirit or not able to hear the Spirit speaking. Besides actually being against the rules in the forum, it is more important that you do not accuse others servants based on your own opinion or because they differ with your view. Accusing others is within the nature of the Devil, but using scripture to rebuke and reproof is encouraged. When I do the latter, you think I am the one judging you with the Devil’s nature. You need to switch this thing around. I am saying this to help you because your accusations actually have no bearing on us in real life.
Hi T8,
Yes you are so easily drawn to your habit of correcting and rebuking
but there are more positive things to do.
Folks are hungry for the word.
T8….You seem to have trouble with the wording, JESUS CHRIST, INSTEAD OF JESUS THE CHRIST. Why not get a original Greek Translation, and you will see the wording is always “Jesus (THE) Christ”, Not “JESUS CHRIST”.
t8, I am confused, you said to Gene, “you believe that Jesus is not the Christ. You believe that Jesus Christ is the Christ.”
I’m pretty sure what Gene said was that Jesus did not become the anointed until his baptism.
@Jodi this is it in a nutshell and Gene, how about actually answering this instead of arguing that the scripture is wrong.Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.Clearly we see that Jesus was born the messiah whereas Gene and Nick do not believe this to be true.
So who as born in the town of David? Jesus, right? Was he born the Christ? Yes.
But ask Gene and Nick this same question and you get a different confession.
Gene / Nick, who was born in the town of David? Jesus.
Gene / Nick, was he born the messiah? No.
So Jesus is not the messiah is what they are actually telling us right?
1 John 2:18
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist…So clearly they are denying Jesus is the Christ. What they are actually teaching is that Jesus became the Christ only when he was baptized. So at that point he became Jesus Christ, thus they teach that Jesus Christ is the Christ and deny that Jesus was the Christ.
The Antichrist spirit is often subtle in its denial too. Muslims for example believe that Jesus is the Christ, but when you dig into their understanding of Christ, you soon see that they deny him to. They do not believe that he died for humanity among many other things about Jesus such as him being the son of God. That is a subtle denial too and antichrist.
This is not my personal opinion, it is clearly seen when you read the appropriate scriptures.. Nick and Gene have never been able to refute it. Further, they refuse to answer yes or no to clear and fair questions about these verses. Therefore they are hiding something and according to what Jesus taught on the Mount, their inability to answer yes and no means the detail they offer instead is of the Evil One. Again this is not my own judgement, but that of scripture and while we are told not to judge other people’s servants, we are certainly encouraged to rebuke and reproof using scripture which is what I am doing and which upsets these guys to the point that Nick at least accuses me of judging him even though it is scripture that does so.
Matthew 5:37
But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.Do you understand what I am saying now Jodi?
Hi t8,
2 Tim 2.14
Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God, not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene.
Yes you are so easily drawn to your habit of correcting and rebuking
but there are more positive things to do.
Folks are hungry for the word
The Word is for teaching, rebuking, correcting.
Rebuke when needed, correct when needed, teach when needed, train in righteousness when needed.
There are times for all of these.
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