Can both Trinity & non-Trinity be correct?

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
He is yet to return.
Now the Lord is the Spirit.

[Ed J]

Hi Georg,

There were 120 faithful believers gathered there.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone, “this thread” now has a starting point! (see Ephesians 2:12-22)

Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house(J.) divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).

            F&G is a Dichotomy, BECAUSE BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT!
 
             F. a.(nT)Non-trinitarians are right / b.(T)trinitarians are wrong

             G. a.(T)Trinitiarians are right / b.(nT)non-trinitarians are wrong.

        The lie in each of these (F&G) is used by both sides in an attempt to
       nullify the truth of “The Paradox” (J). which is what I will be illustrating!

The Paradox is:
              J. (T)trinitarians are right  /  (nT)Non-trinitarians are right

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                           This is the table.

                   1. The definition of “Paradox”
                   2. The definition of “Dichotomy”
                   3. Exegetic meaning of Luke 12:52.
Point #3 Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence.
D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove)

So in this thread, I will be seeking small incremental agreements
based exclusively on point lettered “E.” to each piece of evidence.

So, based on your agreement with me on point #3 and your understanding of a paradox(1),
the basis of this thread will be based on the Exegetic paradox of Luke 12:52; called “J”.
I will be using these letters and numbers throughout the course of our study here.

Example: Your point is “D” supporting “J”, but it fails to prove “F”.
This will no doubt be what I shall be seeing from the non-Trin “F” crowd.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Right or wrong is not relevant.
Obedience is all.

[Ed J]

HI Nick,

Eph 4:13-14 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,
and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Pastry]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,05:40)

Hi Georg, There were 120 faithful believers gathered there. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, your lack of understanding is showing again.

That was when Jesus send the promised Holy Spirit.

Georg

[Pastry]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,05:41)

Hi Everyone, “this thread” now has a starting point! (see Ephesians 2:12-22) Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house(J.) divided, three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).             F&G is a Dichotomy, BECAUSE BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT!                F. a.(nT)Non-trinitarians are right / b.(T)trinitarians are wrong              G. a.(T)Trinitiarians are right / b.(nT)non-trinitarians are wrong.         The lie in each of these (F&G) is used by both sides in an attempt to        nullify the truth of “The Paradox” (J). which is what I will be illustrating! The Paradox is:               J. (T)trinitarians are right  /  (nT)Non-trinitarians are right                            This is the table.                    1. The definition of “Paradox”                    2. The definition of “Dichotomy”                    3. Exegetic meaning of Luke 12:52.                    Point #3   Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes) E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence. D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove) So in this thread, I will be seeking small incremental agreements based exclusively on point lettered “E.” to each piece of evidence. So, based on your agreement with me on point #3 and your understanding of a paradox(1), the basis of this thread will be based on the Exegetic paradox of Luke 12:52; called “J”. I will be using these letters and numbers throughout the course of our study here. Example: Your point is “D” supporting “J”, but it fails to prove “F”. This will no doubt be what I shall be seeing from the non-Trin “F” crowd. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Do you really think there is a point to this?

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Seek ye FIRST the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.

[Ed J]

Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 18 2012,05:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,05:40) Hi Georg, There were 120 faithful believers gathered there. God bless Ed J Ed, your lack of understanding is showing again. That was when Jesus send the promised Holy Spirit. Georg

Hi Georg,

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
The promised Spirit is to all generations.[Acts 2.39]

[Pastry]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,06:01)

Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 18 2012,05:55) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,05:40) Hi Georg, There were 120 faithful believers gathered there. God bless Ed J Ed, your lack of understanding is showing again. That was when Jesus send the promised Holy Spirit. Georg Hi Georg, John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hey Ed

Why did Jesus say this?

2Jo 1:9   Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.  

Is the Holy Spirit not invited? or is he out riding the horse?

Georg

[Ed J]

HI Nick,

“Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power,
and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. ” (Mark 14:61-64)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 18 2012,06:13)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,06:01) Hi Georg, John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. God bless Ed J Hey Ed Why did Jesus say this? 2Jo 1:9   Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.   Is the Holy Spirit not invited? or is he out riding the horse? Georg

Hi Georg,

2John 1:9 supports Pentecost as well; thanks.

“I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” (John 14:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,13:39)

Quote (Pastry @ Feb. 18 2012,06:13) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,06:01) Hi Georg, John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. God bless Ed J Hey Ed Why did Jesus say this? 2Jo 1:9   Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.   Is the Holy Spirit not invited? or is he out riding the horse? Georg Hi Georg, 2John 1:9 supports Pentecost as well; thanks. “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” (John 14:18) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you are miss using this scripture;;Jn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
Jn 14:20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

Jesus say this just before he as to die,and he was saying that they will see him again ,

this scriptures you also do not understand and so miss quoting it ;Jn 14:23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Jn 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
Jn 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you.
Jn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

how is this scriptures support your view 2Jn 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
2Jn 1:11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.THOSE SCRIPTURES HAVE MORE TO DO OF THE TEACHERS AND TEACHINGS IN TRUTH

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
The servants still receive the Comforter.[acts 2.39]

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2012,07:43)

edj you are miss using this scripture;;Jn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. Jn 14:20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Jesus say this just before he as to die,and he was saying that they will see him again , this scriptures you also do not understand and so miss quoting it ;Jn 14:23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. Jn 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. Jn 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. Jn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. how is this scriptures support your view 2Jn 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 2Jn 1:11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.THOSE SCRIPTURES HAVE MORE TO DO OF THE TEACHERS AND TEACHINGS IN TRUTH

Hi Pierre,

You need to get yourself a real bible; the “AKJV Bible”.  (Posts)  Seventh, eighth, and ninth

Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.

1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

To Everyone,

Let's try to stay on topic in this thread; OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
INDEED ALL WILL SEE THE JUDGE
King Jesus Christ

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone, “this thread” now has a starting point! (see Ephesians 2:12-22)

Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house(J.) divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).

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We are ready to begin our study: There are “FIVE” major prophet books, which are are (Link):

   Evidence Exhibit 1.

   (Trinity)
   Isaiah
   Jeremiah
   Ezekiel

   (non-Trin)  
   Daniel
   Lamentations
       
These “FIVE” illustrate Exegetically the Exegeses meaning of Luke 12:52 (Point#3)

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                                 An illustration of “The Trinity”

   Isaiah            …Isaiah’s name means “Jehovah’s Salvation”
(this book's name illustrates JESUS, because Jesus is the means of “Jehovah’s Salvation”) (1John 2:2)

   Jeremiah        …Jeremiah’s name means “Jehovah is High”
(this books name illustrates GOD THE FATHER, because JEHOVAH is the Highest) (Psalm 83:18)

   Ezekiel           …Ezekiel’s name means “EL (GOD) will strengthen”
(this books name illustrates the HOLY SPIRIT, because the Holy Spirit strengthens us all in GOD) (Luke 24:49)
 

 
                             An Illustration of the “Non-Trinity”    

   Daniel             …Daniel's name means “GOD (EL) is Judge”
(this books name illustrates (יהוה) GOD, because GOD is our Judge) (James 5:9)

   Lamentations   …Lamentations name means H#351/H#349 what, where, how,
(this books name illustrates YHVH: Because I will explain to all us non-trins,
how the trinity and non-trinity views can BOTH be correct and true)

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E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence.
E. This information lines up parallel to my analogy. (meaning this information does NOT appear to run contrary to my assertion)   <—  Agreed?

D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove)
D. This information PROVES conclusively my analogy is correct. (meaning I have convinced you of my assertion)   <– I doubt you would agree to this?

Does everyone agree [Evidence Exhibit 1] is “E”?   <— Please answer

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I will take no resistance as an agreement to E. of [Evidence Exhibit 1]

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,08:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 18 2012,07:43) edj you are miss using this scripture;;Jn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. Jn 14:20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Jesus say this just before he as to die,and he was saying that they will see him again , this scriptures you also do not understand and so miss quoting it ;Jn 14:23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. Jn 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. Jn 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. Jn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. how is this scriptures support your view 2Jn 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 2Jn 1:11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.THOSE SCRIPTURES HAVE MORE TO DO OF THE TEACHERS AND TEACHINGS IN TRUTH Hi Pierre, You need to get yourself a real bible; the “AKJV Bible”.  (Posts)  Seventh, eighth, and ninth Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever. Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people. 1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic), or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate]. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED,
Is this bible perfect? are there no manuscript imperfections?

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