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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,10:35) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2013,14:59) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 27 2013,04:17) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2013,05:25) waup Quote Terra. John himself said that he is *NOT* Elijah.He was not lying.
I didnot say,but Luke said that John came in the spirit of
Elijah.Jesus said; Elijah has already come,but Luke made it clear
that John came in the spirit of Elijah.Now we have to know what Elijah means.
It means;My God is jehovah.God said in malachi; I will send you Elijah *the prophet*
**before the coming**of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.(note before the coming).There is only *ONE* great and dreadful day of the Lord,NOT MANY.
One of the two witnesses can stop the rain,just as Elijah did.
And the other witness can change water into blood,just as Moses did.And Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah.
This is how you find the answers.
Before the coming;the two will preach to israel,to give them a last chance,but they will be killed.
wakeup.
I disagree with your view on Israel of today ,you have it wrong AS BEEN DEALT WITH BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL IN THE YEAR 70 AD, THEY ARE NO LONGER REPRESENTING GOD ALMIGHTY ON EARTH BUT THOSE WHO ARE, ARE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST AND THE FATHER ,
and you are mixing up Malachi “the great and dreadful day ” his the day wen Christ came , and so John the Baptist was allegorically Elijah but not really Elijah,
and so you are making up opinions that do not match scriptures as an whole ,
Terra.This is only your opinion.
You also dont have any scripture regarding 70 ad.
You are just making up opinions that does not
match with the scriptures as a whole.wakeup.
waupRo 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
Ro 11:2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel:
Ro 11:3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me” ?
Ro 11:4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.understand what it says
Terra.Exactly; God has reserved jews as a remnant that will be brought back at the coming, And they will be the population in the kingdom,that the saints will rule over,and teach them.
They(jews) are the true olive branches,that will be grafted back on the tree(Jesus).They also have to go through Jesus.
The saints are the wild olive braches,that have been grafted on, to the tree(Jesus).Resurrected *FIRST*.
They are first,and the jews later.
The first will be last, and the last will be first.wakeup.
WupYou are wrong,the remnant Jews were the ones Christ called and later who came and join them Act 2. 3000 lather 5000, and so on until Paul
Was called to go to the gentiles ,by that time the well of Jews starting to get dry ,and so Gentiles were replacing them ,The remnant are those that did not corrupt themselves ,after becoming Christian,
Terra.
In the days of Elijah there were no christians.
But God had 7000remnants resurved.Today also, God has some non christian jews as remnants,reserved.
To be brought into the kingdom(paradise for them),and taught,by the saints.The saints would have already inherited the kingdom of heaven,since they are the resurrected in the spirit.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,19:09) Terra. In the days of Elijah there were no christians.
But God had 7000remnants resurved.Today also, God has some non christian jews as remnants,reserved.
To be brought into the kingdom(paradise for them),and taught,by the saints.The saints would have already inherited the kingdom of heaven,since they are the resurrected in the spirit.
wakeup.
WakeupYou have a deep problem .you do not read the scriptures,
You are wrong and the scriptures I have given you. Tells it but you do not care ,you wanted to tell it your way ,lies
Time out
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,02:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,19:09) Terra. In the days of Elijah there were no christians.
But God had 7000remnants resurved.Today also, God has some non christian jews as remnants,reserved.
To be brought into the kingdom(paradise for them),and taught,by the saints.The saints would have already inherited the kingdom of heaven,since they are the resurrected in the spirit.
wakeup.
WakeupYou have a deep problem .you do not read the scriptures,
You are wrong and the scriptures I have given you. Tells it but you do not care ,you wanted to tell it your way ,lies
Time out
Terra.Where is the lie?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,23:25) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,02:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,19:09) Terra. In the days of Elijah there were no christians.
But God had 7000remnants resurved.Today also, God has some non christian jews as remnants,reserved.
To be brought into the kingdom(paradise for them),and taught,by the saints.The saints would have already inherited the kingdom of heaven,since they are the resurrected in the spirit.
wakeup.
WakeupYou have a deep problem .you do not read the scriptures,
You are wrong and the scriptures I have given you. Tells it but you do not care ,you wanted to tell it your way ,lies
Time out
Terra.Where is the lie?
wakeup.
Put a scriptures in front of your ideas and seeQuote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,09:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,23:25) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,02:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,19:09) Terra. In the days of Elijah there were no christians.
But God had 7000remnants resurved.Today also, God has some non christian jews as remnants,reserved.
To be brought into the kingdom(paradise for them),and taught,by the saints.The saints would have already inherited the kingdom of heaven,since they are the resurrected in the spirit.
wakeup.
WakeupYou have a deep problem .you do not read the scriptures,
You are wrong and the scriptures I have given you. Tells it but you do not care ,you wanted to tell it your way ,lies
Time out
Terra.Where is the lie?
wakeup.
Put a scriptures in front of your ideas and see
Terra.You obviously read what you want to read,
and can not see the scriptures that I have given.
You were reading my posts in a negative state of mind.
When will you ever learn with a spirit like that?
Get that stumbling stone out of the way so you also can see.
If you disagree with something,just state the reasons why.
And show some scriptures.Such as; I dont agree with you because,this scripture or that scripture said this,or that,please explain:. This is how it should be.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,23:25) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,02:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,19:09) Terra. In the days of Elijah there were no christians.
But God had 7000remnants resurved.Today also, God has some non christian jews as remnants,reserved.
To be brought into the kingdom(paradise for them),and taught,by the saints.The saints would have already inherited the kingdom of heaven,since they are the resurrected in the spirit.
wakeup.
WakeupYou have a deep problem .you do not read the scriptures,
You are wrong and the scriptures I have given you. Tells it but you do not care ,you wanted to tell it your way ,lies
Time out
Terra.Where is the lie?
wakeup.
waupRo 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
CAN YOU READ ;”SO TOO “; MEAN AND LIKE IT ,SIMILAR ,
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,12:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,23:25) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,02:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2013,19:09) Terra. In the days of Elijah there were no christians.
But God had 7000remnants resurved.Today also, God has some non christian jews as remnants,reserved.
To be brought into the kingdom(paradise for them),and taught,by the saints.The saints would have already inherited the kingdom of heaven,since they are the resurrected in the spirit.
wakeup.
WakeupYou have a deep problem .you do not read the scriptures,
You are wrong and the scriptures I have given you. Tells it but you do not care ,you wanted to tell it your way ,lies
Time out
Terra.Where is the lie?
wakeup.
waupRo 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
CAN YOU READ ;”SO TOO “; MEAN AND LIKE IT ,SIMILAR ,
Terra.Paul said; and so too,at this present time.
*(Pauls time)* there is a remnant chosen *by grace*.And so too, *today*;there is a remnant of the jews,chosen *by grace*.
Of every generation of the jews there is a remnant chosen *by grace*. EVERY GENERATION.Those will be the *STOCK*,that will multiply in the kingdom.
And will become a *GREAT* nation. A nation of the natural olive branches.They will teach the gentiles outside.Gods promise to Abraham: ''I will make you a **GREAT** nation''. AS THE STARS IN HEAVEN,AND THE SAND OF THE SEA.
wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 08 2013,18:55) Hi T8 It's very subtle, but I picked up his little error when watching the video the second time.
Pastor Anderson quoted;
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shakenthen he quoted
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened up the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackclock of hair, and the moon became as blood.Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their place.Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?He is missing something. A vital key.
Where are the 7 trumpets? We are on the SIXTH SEAL don't forget, there's a SEVENTH SEAL TO COME AFTER THIS.How can the seven trumpets follow after this?
What I am saying is that when there is a great earthquake, and the sun becomes black as sackcloth, and the moon becomes as blood, and the stars of heaven are shaken, and the heaven departs as a scroll, then it is all FINISHED. The wrath of God is finished. It cannot begin. Pastor Anderson say's the wrath of God starts after this. When in fact it has already been.
So the sixth seal is giving us a real quick rundown of what's happening to the earth at the coming.
The seventh seal gives us the details of the seven trumpets,
The first six trumpets actually takes place in the sixth seal. The seventh trumpet, which is Christ's actual coming and destroying of Babylon, happens at the seventh seal (It is done)
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air, and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying It is done.so the wrath of God starts at the 1st trumpet BEFORE the sun is blackened as sackcloth of hair, and this is the wrath of God from the 1st trump to the 7th. The tribulation of the saints is in the 5th seal. By the time the 6th seal comes, the saints are persecuted already, and the wrath of God begins on the world at the sixth seal.
The 7th seal – it is done. Finished.
Thanks for that.I would like to see a diagram that lines up the seals, trumpets, and vials alongside each other.
From what I understand, one is a long term, one is the end times, and the other is the last part of the end.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 31 2013,20:10) Thanks for that. I would like to see a diagram that lines up the seals, trumpets, and vials alongside each other.
From what I understand, one is a long term, one is the end times, and the other is the last part of the end.
Thanks T8,I'll see what I can do for you.
Hi T8.
Thank you for asking me this question. I spent about 5hrs on internet trying to learn how to do this simple table in HTLM code! At least I know how to do it for next time! This is the best I could lay it out.
<table border ="1" style="width:90%;
background-
color:greenyellow;color:green;”>1st Seal 2nd Seal 3rd Seal 4th Seal 5th Seal 6th Seal 7th Seal White Horse Red Horse Black Horse Pale Horse Persecution of
End Time SaintsTrumpets/Vials
Punishment on Babylon StartsChrist's Coming 7th Trumpet
– Christianity
spread by force
not according to the truthWars & Rumours
of Wars
WW1 & WW2Famine
Global Economy CollapseEnd time Beast arises
False Prophet leading
New LawsMark of the Beast
Issued
Made Compulsory1st Trumpet / 1st Vial
2nd Trumpet / 2nd Vial
3rd Trumpet / 3rd Vial
4th Trumpet / 4th Vial
5th Trumpet / 5th Vial
6th Trumpet / 6th VialSatan thrown in Prison
False prophet thrown in lake of fire
and Beast (end time system) thrown in lake of fire
Resurrection of Saints
Earthquake & Hailstones
The system of Babylon completely destroyedFULFILLED FULFILLED CURRENT NEAR FUTURE NEAR FUTURE NEAR FUTURE FINISHED </tr<
Revelations Chapter 6:12-17 (The 6th Seal) is very tricky.
It is only describing “the coming”. The actual day.
We have to use common sense to work out that Christ comes on the 7th seal, for then it is all done, finished, completed.
Therefore all the trumpets and vials are already poured out in the 6th seal, except for the seventh trumpet/vial, as that happens on the 7th Seal at the coming.The details of what happens in the 6th Seal, (regarding all the trumpets and vials)
are only …revealed… in the 7th Seal, but not actually happening in the 7th Seal (just revealed to us)
but the last trump happens in the 7th Seal,
Pretty confusing, I know.This is an easy way to remember;
Christ comes on the 7th trump, at the 7th seal.
and the trumpets, and vials (some versions say bowls)
are the same thing, at the same time.There are only 7 angels mentioned, not 14.
Christ returns in the 6th seal at the 7th trumpet–
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
Isa 2:14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
Isa 2:15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
Isa 2:16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
Isa 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.Read 2 Thes chapter one.
Res
Is Christ not also the TRUTH ,??? And so his return could mean the return of the truth of God ,
Is not the glory of God ,the prove of his truth
Hi Res
So you don't accept that Christ comes at the 7th Seal? (The last seal) and according to you comes in the sixth seal. I can see why you think that. It's confusing I know, and you are confused still. You absolutely dismissed everything I explained, pointing out why.
Thats fine, so seeing as you rebuked me, then explain how Christ sends more plagues, after he has already destroyed Babylon? and for what purpose?Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.That's all it takes. One hour to destroy everything. AT HIS COMING. IT IS FINISHED. It is done with the earthquake, and hailstones, THE FINALE. That's why people are hiding in the rocks, because that's all that's left, rubble. It doesn't go on an on and on.
One thing you are missing is that Christ came to stop that war, or no flesh would be saved. There has to be survivors. Everything leads up to that day of his coming.Quote Christ returns in the 6th seal at the 7th trumpet– Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (THE EARTHQUAKE)
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (the EARTHQUAKE)
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day (THE DAY OF HIS COMING)
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: (YES)
Isa 2:13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, (THE WICKED ONES IN CHARGE, THE ELITES)
Isa 2:14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up, (ALL THE POWERFUL KINGDOMS, AND SMALLER NATIONS WHO ROSE TO POWER)
Isa 2:15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall, (EVERY BUILDING)
Isa 2:16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures. (ALL THE MERCHANTS)
Isa 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day (IN THAT DAY
Isa 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish. (IN THAT DAY)
Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. (IN THAT DAY, THE EARTHQUAKE)
Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; (IN THAT DAY)
Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.(IN THAT DAY)Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (IN THAT DAY)
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead (THE DEAD SAINTS), that they should be judged (RESURRECTED), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (THE WICKED AND THE PROUD ONES)Quote Read 2 Thes chapter one.
Yes did that. What verse, and what's your point?Maybe you can give us a diagram?
Quote (journey42 @ April 01 2013,20:08) Hi Res So you don't accept that Christ comes at the 7th Seal? (The last seal) and according to you comes in the sixth seal. I can see why you think that. It's confusing I know, and you are confused still. You absolutely dismissed everything I explained, pointing out why.
Thats fine, so seeing as you rebuked me, then explain how Christ sends more plagues, after he has already destroyed Babylon? and for what purpose?Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.That's all it takes. One hour to destroy everything. AT HIS COMING. IT IS FINISHED. It is done with the earthquake, and hailstones, THE FINALE. That's why people are hiding in the rocks, because that's all that's left, rubble. It doesn't go on an on and on.
One thing you are missing is that Christ came to stop that war, or no flesh would be saved. There has to be survivors. Everything leads up to that day of his coming.Quote Christ returns in the 6th seal at the 7th trumpet– Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (THE EARTHQUAKE)
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (the EARTHQUAKE)
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day (THE DAY OF HIS COMING)
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: (YES)
Isa 2:13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, (THE WICKED ONES IN CHARGE, THE ELITES)
Isa 2:14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up, (ALL THE POWERFUL KINGDOMS, AND SMALLER NATIONS WHO ROSE TO POWER)
Isa 2:15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall, (EVERY BUILDING)
Isa 2:16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures. (ALL THE MERCHANTS)
Isa 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day (IN THAT DAY
Isa 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish. (IN THAT DAY)
Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. (IN THAT DAY, THE EARTHQUAKE)
Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; (IN THAT DAY)
Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.(IN THAT DAY)Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (IN THAT DAY)
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead (THE DEAD SAINTS), that they should be judged (RESURRECTED), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (THE WICKED AND THE PROUD ONES)Quote Read 2 Thes chapter one.
Yes did that. What verse, and what's your point?Maybe you can give us a diagram?
J42,There are two great earthquakes described.
The first is the lesser of the two—
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Here every mountain and island are moved out of their places and occurs at the return of Christ at the seventh trumpet as Isaiah ch 2 shows.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty. (6th seal)
In the greater earthquake some 30 days later after the 6 vials of wrath, the islands flee away and mountains are not found at all. (not just moved out of their places)
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.Res.
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Quote J42, There are two great earthquakes described.
The first is the lesser of the two—
Actually, after looking into it, there appears to be three earthquakes. (I'm not 100% sure though?) Lets work it out.Rev 8:5 – first one before wrath is poured out
Rev 11:13 – second one (second woe) when the 2 witnesses get taken up
Rev 11:19 – third one when Christ finishes off Babylon the Great.Quote Here every mountain and island are moved out of their places and occurs at the return of Christ at the seventh trumpet as Isaiah ch 2 shows. Yes.
Quote Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
This is the second earthquake in Israel only.Quote Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty. (6th seal)
Res. We know that before Christ comes, theres the gathering at Armegeddon. Why would these people be hiding in the rocks the war against Christ is about to start?
ANSWER: Because that war has already taken place, and Christ has fired back with hailstones and an earthquake, and they are running for their lives scared to death, knowing now who it is they are fighting (not aliens) but Christ himself.
SO THE WAR HAS ALREADY HAPPENED AND THEY ARE FLEEING FOR THEIR LIVES KNOWING THEY CANNOT FIGHT BACK. THEY ARE HELPLESS. This is the last earthquake happening here.Quote In the greater earthquake some 30 days later after the 6 vials of wrath, the islands flee away and mountains are not found at all. (not just moved out of their places) Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.I see what you are saying, but I think it just means the same thing. If the mountains and islands are moved out of their place, or fled away, it makes no difference. They are disturbed and not there anymore.
Wakeup, what do you reckon? 2 or 3 earthquakes? Am I wrong? If so, please correct me, and show me if no. 2 & 3 are the same. This is bugging me.
thanks.J42.
1.First earth quake;the *sign* of the first trumpet.
Just before the first trumpet will sound.(rev 8:5).2.Second earth quake,after the 2 witnesses taken up.This will only be in jerusalem.7000died.(rev.11).
3. This is the great one, when christ starts firing back.
4. Christ will show himself in the air at the 7th trumpet.
5. The war (man against man) will stop.(3rd ww).stop.
6.Christ stayed in the air giving the armies*(of both sides)* enough time to gather themselves in the place called megiddo.
7. Now comes the great earth quake and hailstone and meteor showers(christ fighting back),and they start running into the holes of the rock.
The cities of the nations are no more in *one day*.(rev18:8).
8.The resurrection of the saints,that refused the mark, and also the ones that are still alive,will be changed.
9.The kingdom set up in israel,all remnants of the jews chosen by election will be the population.
The saints will rule over them and teach them.10. All the remnants (survivors) of the gentiles will be out side and around the earth; they will be taught by the jews.
They have to start from scratch,they will form into nations,but never empires,for their dominion is taken away.
(dan 7:12).wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 02 2013,22:12) J42. 1.First earth quake;the *sign* of the first trumpet.
Just before the first trumpet will sound.(rev 8:5).2.Second earth quake,after the 2 witnesses taken up.This will only be in jerusalem.7000died.(rev.11).
3. This is the great one, when christ starts firing back.
4. Christ will show himself in the air at the 7th trumpet.
5. The war (man against man) will stop.(3rd ww).stop.
6.Christ stayed in the air giving the armies*(of both sides)* enough time to gather themselves in the place called megiddo.
7. Now comes the great earth quake and hailstone and meteor showers(christ fighting back),and they start running into the holes of the rock.
The cities of the nations are no more in *one day*.(rev18:8).
8.The resurrection of the saints,that refused the mark, and also the ones that are still alive,will be changed.
9.The kingdom set up in israel,all remnants of the jews chosen by election will be the population.
The saints will rule over them and teach them.10. All the remnants (survivors) of the gentiles will be out side and around the earth; they will be taught by the jews.
They have to start from scratch,they will form into nations,but never empires,for their dominion is taken away.
(dan 7:12).wakeup.
Thank you Wakeup. (phew!)
I only realised that today.Resting,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Christ returns in the 6th seal at the 7th trumpet– Resting,
We both agree that Christ comes at the 7th trumpet.
I say the 7th trumpet is on the 7th Seal,
and you the 7th trumpet is on the 6th Seal.I see why you say this.
The way it is written out in Rev,
it appears this way.
The 6th seal just talks about the coming. Nothing else.
That great and dreadful day to the world.The 7th seal explains all the trumpets.
The key here is that all the trumpets lead up to the coming of the Lord on the 7th trump.The 7th seal is the last one.
So even though the 6th seal explains only the coming,
but God did not include the details leading up to it.
We have to use common sense that trumpet no. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 have been blown already, to lead up to the coming, although they are not mentioned there.The details of the trumpets are mentioned in the 7th seal.
And it is all finished by the 7th seal, so makes sense that the 7th trumpet is on the 7th seal, the last one.I know all the scriptures. What I am explaining is not in the scriptures, but a 1 + 1 =2 thing.
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