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My dream followed the scriptures that I had yesterday. It was in regards to returning to the love that we first had with God – after seeing how far we may have fallen. The dream was in regards to God's love, going out. And the day followed.
*If you have a problem with that, then you should deal with your own problems.
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Quote (2besee @ Nov. 08 2013,20:57) My dream followed the scriptures that I had yesterday. It was in regards to returning to the love that we first had with God – after seeing how far we may have fallen. The dream was in regards to God's love, going out. And the day followed.
You really have no clue.I should have learned by now what NOT to say here.
2Besee.You can learn a lot here if you are sincere.
Dont reject knowledge.
Dont run away from the truth,even if it hurts a little.
Wrong interpretations can be proven wrong through
scriptures. This is how God has written His word.
Dont ignore the written word,but take every scripture seriously. And God will open your eyes.wakeup.
Quote J42. Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a *season and time*.
PROLONGED FOR A SEASON=1000YRS AND TIME:
1000YRS + TIME.After the war of gog people need to burry the dead.
And that takes *TIME*Jesus rule is over after the season is over.
wakeup.
Thanks Wakeup. I forgot about that scripture.
Beasts= Kings. Leaders of nations.
Christ is ruling now for the 1000 years, so those nations are still existing during this time, but Christ is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings, and they know it.A season and time. Yes makes sense. 1000 years plus the 7 years to bury the dead. (battle of Gog and Magog)
It harmonises beautifully.Now the White throne judgement, and the dead judged according to the books. All evil thrown into the lake of fire.
then death itself is thrown in there. No more death ever again. (The last enemy is death) but the lake of fire still exists for now..
Then Jesus hands the kingdom back to the Father, all cleaned up, prepared as a bride. Now the melting of the heavens and the earth. This is done last, as flesh could not survive this, only the saints who are now spirit, and the host of heaven.Question. Would death be destroyed when it is thrown into the lake of fire, or when the earth is melted?
Devolution really has no understanding of the Bibles chronological order.
Joel 28-29
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even upon the menservants and maidservants in those days, I will pour out my spirit.”God will pour out His Spirit.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2013,23:11) 2Besee. You can learn a lot here if you are sincere.
Dont reject knowledge.
Dont run away from the truth,even if it hurts a little.
Wrong interpretations can be proven wrong through
scriptures. This is how God has written His word.
Dont ignore the written word,but take every scripture seriously. And God will open your eyes.wakeup.
Wakeup thanks. But are there things you could learn as well?
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 08 2013,22:04) Quote J42. Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a *season and time*.
PROLONGED FOR A SEASON=1000YRS AND TIME:
1000YRS + TIME.After the war of gog people need to burry the dead.
And that takes *TIME*Jesus rule is over after the season is over.
wakeup.
Thanks Wakeup. I forgot about that scripture.
Beasts= Kings. Leaders of nations.
Christ is ruling now for the 1000 years, so those nations are still existing during this time, but Christ is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings, and they know it.A season and time. Yes makes sense. 1000 years plus the 7 years to bury the dead. (battle of Gog and Magog)
It harmonises beautifully.Now the White throne judgement, and the dead judged according to the books. All evil thrown into the lake of fire.
then death itself is thrown in there. No more death ever again. (The last enemy is death) but the lake of fire still exists for now..
Then Jesus hands the kingdom back to the Father, all cleaned up, prepared as a bride. Now the melting of the heavens and the earth. This is done last, as flesh could not survive this, only the saints who are now spirit, and the host of heaven.Question. Would death be destroyed when it is thrown into the lake of fire, or when the earth is melted?
J 42.Death is destroyed when the last goats is cast into the lake of fire.Where satan and his angels are.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 08 2013,23:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2013,23:11) 2Besee. You can learn a lot here if you are sincere.
Dont reject knowledge.
Dont run away from the truth,even if it hurts a little.
Wrong interpretations can be proven wrong through
scriptures. This is how God has written His word.
Dont ignore the written word,but take every scripture seriously. And God will open your eyes.wakeup.
Wakeup thanks. But are there things you could learn as well?
2Besee.Yes; we are all learnig something,
But stick to scriptures and not doctrine.
The truth is more important.
Doctrine has swayed believers into the wrong path.
We need to come back to the strait,and narrow,
and let the scriptures lead us.
Wrong interpretaions can be corrected using scriptures.
What troubles me most is, the ignoring of scriptures
provided. As if it has no meaning at all.wakeup.
2besee,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Devolution really has no understanding of the Bibles chronological order. Joel 28-29
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even upon the menservants and maidservants in those days, I will pour out my spirit.”God will pour out His Spirit.
2Besse,To understand the chronological order, you have to go to that chapter.
Joel 20:28 And it shall come to pass after that, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, you old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.
After that….After what 2Besse?
When will God pour out his spirit on ALL FLESH?
It says ALL FLESH?
That means everybody.Go to the beginning of the chapter, and you will have your answer.
Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let ALL THE INHABITANTS of the land tremble; for the day of the Lord comes, for it is nigh at hand.
(THE 2ND COMING IS JUST ABOUT TO APPEAR)Joel 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it,…. even to the years of many generations
(Are you following so far? Who are these great strong people that has never been like them? Have you heard of Armageddon? Where the nations gather for that great war? 200 million men in one place fighting each other, then they team up and re-gather to fight the Lord?
and there shall never be any more people like it EVER AGAIN. EVEN TO MANY GENERATIONS ….Even till after the 1000 years when the battle of Gog and Magog take place. The war, and number of the armies will never be as strong as that EVER AGAIN.)Joel 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
(These soldiers are in Israel, they are destroying everything in their path.)Joel 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joel 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.Joel 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained; all faces shall gather blackness. (Filled with terror)
Joel 2:7 They shall run like might men; they shall climb the wall like men of war, and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks.
Joel 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. (heavy armour. bullet proof vests. We use guns now in war, not swords)Joel 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble; the sun and moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.Are you getting the picture yet?
Joel 2:11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executes his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible, and who can abide it?
Joel 2:12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: (It's not too late for them, Israel to cry out for help after their punishment has been dished out)
Joel 2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.Joel 2:14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him, even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?
Joel 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
Joel 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
Joel 2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the alter, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?.
(Pray for Israel you priests, they have been invaded, attacked, trodden down,and killed, because the heathen are in there destroying everything in their path)Joel 2:18 …Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
(Then 2Besse, then.)Joel 2:19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith. and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen.
(Then, 2Besse, God will have mercy on Israel, right at the end of that war. He will send them food, doctrine and will feed them with truth(oil)Joel 2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army; and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toard the uttermost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savor shall come up, because he hath done great things.
(Note: the NORTHERN ARMY. The king of the North. NWO. (Europe) 10 kings. They will be killed there all at once at the coming, and be thrown in the Valley of Henom (east of Jerusalem) The great feast for all wild animals to feed on their dead carcasses.
Joel 2:21 Fear not, O land, be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
Restore Israel and set up the kingdom thereJoel 2:22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
Joel 2:23 Be glad then, y children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
Joel 2:24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
Joel 2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
Joel 2:27 And you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else, and my people shall never be ashamed.Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD that I will pour out my spirit upon ALL FLESH; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.
(Can you honestly see ALL FLESH prophesying now? What a confusion it has become)Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joel 2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. (Now God sums it up. This is the sign of the Lords coming, again he gives it to us AGAIN, just like in the beginning of the chapter)
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come. (Don't get thrown out. You've been shown the difference now)Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be a deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. (This bit is speaking of the kingdom during the 1000 years.) There will be a 2nd chance for all survivors and new generations to come to also receive salvation if they call out to the Lord.)
journey42,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Joel 2:20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army; and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toard the uttermost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savor shall come up, because he hath done great things. (Note: the NORTHERN ARMY. The king of the North. NWO. (Europe) 10 kings. They will be killed there all at once at the coming, and be thrown in the Valley of Henom (east of Jerusalem) The great feast for all wild animals to feed on their dead carcasses.
To make myself more clear, all the ARMIES gathered there will be destroyed there.
The 10 kings will be put in prison for a time to await their judgement.
The 10 kings “KINGDOM” will be thrown into the lake of fire (Babylon the Great)
Their system gone forever. We will have a new system now. Christ's system. A fair one. And the Law will come out of Jerusalem where Christ is ruling.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2013,21:11) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 08 2013,20:57) My dream followed the scriptures that I had yesterday. It was in regards to returning to the love that we first had with God – after seeing how far we may have fallen. The dream was in regards to God's love, going out. And the day followed.
You really have no clue.I should have learned by now what NOT to say here.
2Besee.
2BesseNo one is trying to make you look like a fool. We have the prophesies in the scriptures.
If God speaks to you personally, and you realise something, then thats between you and God. It's not a prophesy for us, for all the prophesies have been provided by the prophets and Christ.
I've had dreams also that have been warnings, and come about, but for my own personal life only. Doesn't benefit any one else.
The point I was making, was that the scripture you provided, happens AFTER Babylon the great is destroyed.
It's going to take a little time for all the Jews around the world to be rounded up and start making their way to Jerusalem. It's during this time that they will prophesy, and tell each other that the Messiah is here, and it says “ALL FLESH” so the gentiles will also be prophesying to each other and warning that the kingdom of Christ is here.The news has to spread. Theres a New King. This will be a new era. THE FIRST DOMINION. And the news will spread in this fashion.
Wakeup and Journey,
God speaks to his people through dreams, visions, scriptures, during prayer, and through other means. The out pouring of the spirit pertains to the day of pentecost and through until today, before the day of the Lord comes, and it is coming.
The day of salvation is today, while we are alive. Everything you quote from the old testament is found in the new testament, including the outpouring of the spirit and the leading of sons and daughters of God through prophecies dreams and visions, and of the rebirth of water through baptism and repentance and a turning away from sin… and the rebirth of the spirit.When I have the time, I may go through those scriptures which you presented, and show you.
As for the verse I posted yesterday regarding seeing how far we may have fallen, and returning to the love that we had, those verses would only speak to those who are humble enough to correct themselves.
I have seen the difference, as I posted it elsewhere too, and the reply I had back was one of humility and repentance.
So it is only for those with ears to hear.Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2013,09:38) Wakeup and Journey,
God speaks to his people through dreams, visions, scriptures, during prayer, and through other means. The out pouring of the spirit pertains to the day of pentecost and through until today, before the day of the Lord comes, and it is coming.
The day of salvation is today, while we are alive. Everything you quote from the old testament is found in the new testament, including the outpouring of the spirit and the leading of sons and daughters of God through prophecies dreams and visions, and of the rebirth of water through baptism and repentance and a turning away from sin… and the rebirth of the spirit.When I have the time, I may go through those scriptures which you presented, and show you.
As for the verse I posted yesterday regarding seeing how far we may have fallen, and returning to the love that we had, those verses would only speak to those who are humble enough to correct themselves.
I have seen the difference, as I posted it elsewhere too, and the reply I had back was one of humility and repentance.
So it is only for those with ears to hear.
2BesseGod speaks to people by his word. His words were put in the mouth of the “prophets” and they were kept as a record for us. So everything prophesied we have, and the old testament is a witness.
Joel 2: 28-29 is also mentioned in the NT. Why? Because God wants us to go to the OT to seek the explanation and the time frame. And the NT witnesses the OT also. There is so much detail in Joel of what will be happening when that prophesy fulfilled.
It says “After these things” remember? It is speaking of Armageddon. After Armageddon.
That's why I showed you every verse in that chapter.Regarding Love?
More of this should be coming from you too. You get so defensive at times. Show us your example that you have love also. Are you humble also?
Sometimes if we shoot the messenger, the messenger may shoot back.I stand by what I said, and it is only to those who have the ears to hear what the spirit is saying to the churches. That includes myself, and I have heard. so you don't know what you are saying.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2013,11:00) As to your doctrines.. they are only the doctrines of men, and only appeal to the flesh.
2Besee.How can you?
How can you close your eyes to scriptures?wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2013,11:32) Fulfillment is not ignoring – it is seeing.
2BesseDo you want to take this to the hot seat?
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 09 2013,14:39) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2013,11:32) Fulfillment is not ignoring – it is seeing.
2BesseDo you want to take this to the hot seat?
Journey,
I have had enough of the hot seat – so 'no', I will not be going to the hot seat.
. All of your scriptures…have been answered in the past – just not to your liking. I would have to be insane to go over and over things again and again. Once is enough for me. If you did not hear me the first time, why would you hear me this time? And nothing would make me see things as you do. So it would be pointless.Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2013,18:39) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 09 2013,14:39) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2013,11:32) Fulfillment is not ignoring – it is seeing.
2BesseDo you want to take this to the hot seat?
Journey,
I have had enough of the hot seat – so 'no', I will not be going to the hot seat.. All of your scriptures…have been answered in the past – just not to your liking. I would have to be insane to go over and over things again and again. Once is enough for me. If you did not hear me the first time, why would you hear me this time? And nothing would make me see things as you do. So it would be pointless.
2BesseThats fine. No problem.
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