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Quote (terraricca @ June 08 2013,11:30) Quote (Wakeup @ June 08 2013,06:02) Quote (942767 @ June 08 2013,05:05) Hi Wakeup: You quote the following scripture and say:
Marty.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, **UNTILL THAT DAY** THAT I DRINK IT NEW IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
THAT DAY WILL COME SOON.
wakeup.
If you are saying by this that Jesus will soon be coming for the church, then I agree with you, but if you are not already in the kingdom of God when he comes, you will be left behind.
Colossians 1 states:
Quote Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Col 1:24 ¶ Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Col 1:26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Col 1:22 ***INTHE BODY OF HIS FLESH*** through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
CHRIST WAS STILL IN HIS FLESH WHEN HE DIED.THEN
RESURRECTED IN THE SPIRIT.Col 1:24 ¶ Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ ***IN MY FLESH*** for his body's sake, which is the church:
PAUL WAS STILL IN HIS FLESH WHEN SPEAKING.
WHEN CHRIST COMES; WE MUST BE IN THE SPIRIT.
WE MUST BE CLOTHED WITH THE SPIRIT.
WE MUST NOT BE NAKED,OR HALF NAKED.(LUKE WARM).IF WE ARE CLOTHED;THEN WE WILL BE CHANGED INTO SPIRIT. AT THE RESURRECTION,NOT BEFORE.
wakeup.
wakeupQuote WE MUST BE CLOTHED WITH THE SPIRIT. yes but the spirit of truth ,of God ,means we have to be totally truthful in what we hope ,think,do,and acknowledge ,
Terra.I am glad to see you join in.
I can not disagree with your comment.
Why can we not see more of us, with understanding?wakeup.
Noah spend his time building the arc
that is going to save him, and family.
While the rest mock and laugh at him.
And live in leisure.Noah knew when to enter the arc because
he knew the flood is coming. The door was closed,
then the rain came down,and the rest
were drowned, no one could enter.
Only eight souls were saved.Lot was taken out of sodom, then the rain
of sulphur came down and destroyed the rest.
Only three were saved,his wife looked back
on her beloved city,and was frozen in salt.We also need to build our arc,which is our faith
in the Lord,and worship him in truth.Building our arc
of protection.
Unfortunately most refuse to come out of babylon,
but have both,these are the luke warm.
We need to come out of babylon,for the wrath of
God is coming upon that city.The luke warm have to go through the tribulation,
except the 144000 true followers of Christ.
They will be taken before the great tribulation.The rest have untill the first trumpet/first vial,before the door
in heaven will be closed, and no man could enter through prayer anymore.rev. 15:8.Those prof.and doctors have failed to see that
there are two gatherings of israel.
The *first* happened in 1948. but God also will send hunters to hunt them down. This we know is happening to israel.
Jer.16:15.16.The *second* gathering of israel will be the bringing back
of all the chosen into the 1000yr kingdom.
There they will have peace,and joy. Jer.23:3–8I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,20:44) Noah spend his time building the arc
that is going to save him, and family.
While the rest mock and laugh at him.
And live in leisure.Noah knew when to enter the arc because
he knew the flood is coming. The door was closed,
then the rain came down,and the rest
were drowned, no one could enter.
Only eight souls were saved.Lot was taken out of sodom, then the rain
of sulphur came down and destroyed the rest.
Only three were saved,his wife looked back
on her beloved city,and was frozen in salt.We also need to build our arc,which is our faith
in the Lord,and worship him in truth.Building our arc
of protection.
Unfortunately most refuse to come out of babylon,
but have both,these are the luke warm.
We need to come out of babylon,for the wrath of
God is coming upon that city.The luke warm have to go through the tribulation,
except the 144000 true followers of Christ.
They will be taken before the great tribulation.The rest have untill the first trumpet/first vial,before the door
in heaven will be closed, and no man could enter through prayer anymore.rev. 15:8.Those prof.and doctors have failed to see that
there are two gatherings of israel.
The *first* happened in 1948. but God also will send hunters to hunt them down. This we know is happening to israel.
Jer.16:15.16.The *second* gathering of israel will be the bringing back
of all the chosen into the 1000yr kingdom.
There they will have peace,and joy. Jer.23:3–8I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.wakeup.
you still believe in the deceiver ;and feed on deceit ,but you also spread ,the same deceit ,for the purpose of deceiving others ,
not good
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,06:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,20:44) Noah spend his time building the arc
that is going to save him, and family.
While the rest mock and laugh at him.
And live in leisure.Noah knew when to enter the arc because
he knew the flood is coming. The door was closed,
then the rain came down,and the rest
were drowned, no one could enter.
Only eight souls were saved.Lot was taken out of sodom, then the rain
of sulphur came down and destroyed the rest.
Only three were saved,his wife looked back
on her beloved city,and was frozen in salt.We also need to build our arc,which is our faith
in the Lord,and worship him in truth.Building our arc
of protection.
Unfortunately most refuse to come out of babylon,
but have both,these are the luke warm.
We need to come out of babylon,for the wrath of
God is coming upon that city.The luke warm have to go through the tribulation,
except the 144000 true followers of Christ.
They will be taken before the great tribulation.The rest have untill the first trumpet/first vial,before the door
in heaven will be closed, and no man could enter through prayer anymore.rev. 15:8.Those prof.and doctors have failed to see that
there are two gatherings of israel.
The *first* happened in 1948. but God also will send hunters to hunt them down. This we know is happening to israel.
Jer.16:15.16.The *second* gathering of israel will be the bringing back
of all the chosen into the 1000yr kingdom.
There they will have peace,and joy. Jer.23:3–8I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.wakeup.
you still believe in the deceiver ;and feed on deceit ,but you also spread ,the same deceit ,for the purpose of deceiving others ,
not good
Terra.Where is my deceit?
can you point that out to me
or you are judging without
any proof of guilt.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,05:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,06:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,20:44) Noah spend his time building the arc
that is going to save him, and family.
While the rest mock and laugh at him.
And live in leisure.Noah knew when to enter the arc because
he knew the flood is coming. The door was closed,
then the rain came down,and the rest
were drowned, no one could enter.
Only eight souls were saved.Lot was taken out of sodom, then the rain
of sulphur came down and destroyed the rest.
Only three were saved,his wife looked back
on her beloved city,and was frozen in salt.We also need to build our arc,which is our faith
in the Lord,and worship him in truth.Building our arc
of protection.
Unfortunately most refuse to come out of babylon,
but have both,these are the luke warm.
We need to come out of babylon,for the wrath of
God is coming upon that city.The luke warm have to go through the tribulation,
except the 144000 true followers of Christ.
They will be taken before the great tribulation.The rest have untill the first trumpet/first vial,before the door
in heaven will be closed, and no man could enter through prayer anymore.rev. 15:8.Those prof.and doctors have failed to see that
there are two gatherings of israel.
The *first* happened in 1948. but God also will send hunters to hunt them down. This we know is happening to israel.
Jer.16:15.16.The *second* gathering of israel will be the bringing back
of all the chosen into the 1000yr kingdom.
There they will have peace,and joy. Jer.23:3–8I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.wakeup.
you still believe in the deceiver ;and feed on deceit ,but you also spread ,the same deceit ,for the purpose of deceiving others ,
not good
Terra.Where is my deceit?
can you point that out to me
or you are judging without
any proof of guilt.wakeup.
EVERY TIME YOU PICK SCRIPTURES FROM THE OT AND MAKE THEM TO BE A NEW VERSION OF EVENT WHAT SCRIPTURES DO NOT SUPPORT ;YOU ARE TEACHING DECEITHi Pierre,
Lets analyse Wakeup's post. He has his own way of explaining, so lets see if it contradicts or supports scripture. And yes, we have to test everything.
Quote Noah spend his time building the arc
that is going to save him, and family.
While the rest mock and laugh at him.
And live in leisure.
This is true, this did happen.Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,Quote Noah knew when to enter the arc because
he knew the flood is coming. The door was closed,
then the rain came down,and the rest
were drowned, no one could enter.
Only eight souls were saved.
Yes true,
Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them, and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Genesis 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, becaus of the waters of the flood.Quote Lot was taken out of sodom, then the rain
of sulphur came down and destroyed the rest.
Only three were saved,his wife looked back
on her beloved city,and was frozen in salt.Yes true, did happen
2Peter 2:5 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;
Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.Quote We also need to build our arc,which is our faith
in the Lord,and worship him in truth.Building our arc
of protection.
Yes I can see relate to what he's saying. Just like that ark that saved Noah, we have Christ now. If we believe and follow him then we will be ready and will know the plan of God, and the signs so we are prepared for when the big storm comes (7 plagues) (GREAT TRIBULATION – TRIBULATION ON THE WHOLE WORLD AT THE SAME TIME)Quote Unfortunately most refuse to come out of babylon,
but have both,these are the luke warm.
Yes, Christ warned us there will be lukewarmersRevelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
Quote We need to come out of babylon,for the wrath of
God is coming upon that city.
I can't fault this, God warning his people to come out of Babylon or they will receive the plagues also;
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.Quote The luke warm have to go through the tribulation,
except the 144000 true followers of Christ.
They will be taken before the great tribulation.
This is where I believe you would not agree with Wakeup's statement? Why would he say such a thing? This is what I see personally,
the luke-warmers did not give everything to Christ for whatever reasons.
Maybe they loved Christ, but not with all their hearts.
Maybe they were drunk on religion, and missed the truth.
Maybe they were too comfortable in their 'faith' that they forgot to test all scripture, and preached wrong things,
maybe they didn't take the scriptures seriously, and in it for self gain, making books etc,
or refused to do away with certain sins.
Whatever reason, their worship was not perfect and was polluted with the world's ways.Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
If we are spewed out of Christ's mouth, then we are not ready for him. We have not obeyed fully. Did not seek the truth with everything. No knowledge, and lacking good works. Sleeping and unprepared like the foolish virgins. Time up. We will have to partake now in the great tribulation, which is the wrath of God, the 7 plagues (The great tribulation)
Doesn't mean we will be all killed, but will have to go through this dark time nevertheless, where there is much pain and suffering.Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reigns and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.So these are the luke-warmers.
But just before the wrath of God starts (the 7 plagues),
scripture says that there will be only 144,000 sealed.Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.Many would argue and say that these are real ISRAELITES only, because they are from the 12 tribes of Israel. But Romans says that we are also grafted onto that same tree. So we are the adopted and counted as the family also. They are the natural branches, and we are grafted in among them. Same family now.(Romans chapter 11)
No difference between Jew and Greek when it comes to the resurrection.Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
And the 144,000 followed the lamb wheresoever he goes. This means they are faithful servants, in total obedience. When Christ said, feed on my flesh, they would of done that, along with everything else he commanded. These ones are special, and the fact that they get sealed before the wrath of God starts, indicates that they are ALIVE during that time. So they are the last day's saints to be in total obedience. This is not alot in total obedience when you compare to the numbers of the christian world.
So if the 144,000 are sealed, they will be spared from tribulation. Wakeup says they will be taken? I've always said they will be spared in some way. ie. prison camps, or protected in some hiding areas. I don't know for sure. All I know is that they are sealed which must mean protected.
But I have talked with wakeup and the reason why he has come to the conclusion they will be taken is because they are the FIRST FRUITS.
First fruits always get picked before the rest. They are the best pick of the bunch. The most faithful in other words.
So when Christ mentioned this verseMatthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
The wheat (or fruit) is always STORED in the barn.
The harvest is when the 7 plagues start.Mark 4:29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
The 144,000 are sealed just before the plagues start. (Just before the harvest when the fruit is showing)
they are spared in some way.
There are the rest of the christians existing also however.
Many will be put to death, or imprisoned,
these that refused the mark of the beast are resurrected at the 7th trump. Not before.
The 7th trump is when Christ returns and completely destroys the system of Babylon the Great. This is when the hailstones come down, the islands and mountains are fled away (destroyed) the great earthquake,
and then…still during the 7th trump,
the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire, and Satan locked up for 1000 years,
THEN ….the first resurrection of all the dead saints. (Still in the 7th trump) see also Rev chapter 20:41 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
but….
we have 144,000 standing on Mt Zion with Christ (HEAVEN). Where are the rest of the christians?Rev 14: And I looked and lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
The 144,000 are sealed before the first trump. Why?
because they are the first fruits, and the first fruits are always collected first (small amount) Before the harvest truly begins.
Could these be the ones who are STORED in the barn, the 144,000.Christ said,
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.So I hope I have put through some valid points so far, so at least we can think about them.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,12:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,05:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,06:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2013,20:44) Noah spend his time building the arc
that is going to save him, and family.
While the rest mock and laugh at him.
And live in leisure.Noah knew when to enter the arc because
he knew the flood is coming. The door was closed,
then the rain came down,and the rest
were drowned, no one could enter.
Only eight souls were saved.Lot was taken out of sodom, then the rain
of sulphur came down and destroyed the rest.
Only three were saved,his wife looked back
on her beloved city,and was frozen in salt.We also need to build our arc,which is our faith
in the Lord,and worship him in truth.Building our arc
of protection.
Unfortunately most refuse to come out of babylon,
but have both,these are the luke warm.
We need to come out of babylon,for the wrath of
God is coming upon that city.The luke warm have to go through the tribulation,
except the 144000 true followers of Christ.
They will be taken before the great tribulation.The rest have untill the first trumpet/first vial,before the door
in heaven will be closed, and no man could enter through prayer anymore.rev. 15:8.Those prof.and doctors have failed to see that
there are two gatherings of israel.
The *first* happened in 1948. but God also will send hunters to hunt them down. This we know is happening to israel.
Jer.16:15.16.The *second* gathering of israel will be the bringing back
of all the chosen into the 1000yr kingdom.
There they will have peace,and joy. Jer.23:3–8I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.wakeup.
you still believe in the deceiver ;and feed on deceit ,but you also spread ,the same deceit ,for the purpose of deceiving others ,
not good
Terra.Where is my deceit?
can you point that out to me
or you are judging without
any proof of guilt.wakeup.
EVERY TIME YOU PICK SCRIPTURES FROM THE OT AND MAKE THEM TO BE A NEW VERSION OF EVENT WHAT SCRIPTURES DO NOT SUPPORT ;YOU ARE TEACHING DECEIT
Terra.I notice that everyone on hn is a deceiver.
Except you are the true and faithfull servant
knowing all the scriptures and prophesies
But not coming out with any solid evidence.Just with abuse and nothing but abuse.
Your *doctrine* has been squashed
and you are hurt badly.wakeup.
Quote The rest have untill the first trumpet/first vial,before the door
in heaven will be closed, and no man could enter through prayer anymore.rev. 15:8.
ValidRevelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with the smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
This is the shut off day, just before the 7 plagues start. The ark is closed for a while. No protection, must go through the wrath.
Quote Those prof.and doctors have failed to see that
there are two gatherings of israel.
The *first* happened in 1948. but God also will send hunters to hunt them down. This we know is happening to israel.
Jer.16:15.16.
Jeremiah 16:15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
Jeremiah 16:17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.We can see here that God is not happy with them (Israel) They were scattered throughout the earth, then God brought them all together again in 1948 and put them in their own land. This is God's plan to bring them all into the one place again for punishment. This punishment will start when they allow the false prophet to set up his temple there, the abomination of desolation.
You may not agree here with the above being the first and second gathering of Israel, so how can I show you? You and others may think that the first gathering of Israel was when they were taken out of Egypt?
All I can say to that is that they were not hunted and gathered from all over the place. They were all there as one in Egypt.
Before 1948, they were rounded up from all over the earth. Their flights and travel were paid for by the British Empire. They were truly hunted. Even the Ethiopian Jews were gathered also and brought there.Quote The *second* gathering of israel will be the bringing back
of all the chosen into the 1000yr kingdom.
There they will have peace,and joy. Jer.23:3–8
Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock, out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I ill set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.This is when they are brought into the 1000 year reign. God is not angry at them now, but shows mercy. Their shepherds would be the resurrected saints. Most probably the 144,000.
journey42,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he decieved them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
We know that the man in Rev 13:16 gives the mark of the beast. This is the same man, the false prophet as mentioned in Rev 19:20. It does not say the antichrist, for we know that there are many antichrists.Quote There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
Yes we just saw that.Quote And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with christ a thousand years.We can see, that the beast and the false prophet are destroyed at the second coming. Then if we read on in chapter 20, Satan is cast into the bottomless pit and chained there so that he does not decieve the nations till the 1000 years is up. Then we have this;
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.Can we see now that Christ and his resurrected saints rule after Babylon the Great is destroyed,
after the false prophet and the beast destroyed in the lake of fire,
after Satan is put in prison for a 1000 years,
then when Satan is let loosed after the 1000 years, he attacks this holy camp that exists there and it's called Gog and Magog.Pierre,
I cannot find any contradictions or deceiving evidence. Wakeup has given truthful statements and I have found scriptures to support. I hope you will not be too upset for longer. We are not all going to agree on everything, but one thing we know for sure is that we love God and our Lord Jesus Christ and sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Wakeup is very passionate about the scriptures, more than any one I know. He warns against religion, and despises it. He hates books about the bible and I can see him getting frustrated too.Please, for the sake of your health, just take a deep breath, and say a prayer. Pray for us too if you think we are wrong, or laugh it off, but show us with love. If you get upset and stressed, it will only be harder for you to heal and you need to be happy now, ……for the faith in God with happiness and clean laughter is the best medicine for healing right now. We love you Pierre.
Your sister in Christ
JourneyQuote (journey42 @ Sep. 18 2013,10:12) journey42,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he decieved them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
We know that the man in Rev 13:16 gives the mark of the beast. This is the same man, the false prophet as mentioned in Rev 19:20. It does not say the antichrist, for we know that there are many antichrists.Quote There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
Yes we just saw that.Quote And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with christ a thousand years.We can see, that the beast and the false prophet are destroyed at the second coming. Then if we read on in chapter 20, Satan is cast into the bottomless pit and chained there so that he does not decieve the nations till the 1000 years is up. Then we have this;
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.Can we see now that Christ and his resurrected saints rule after Babylon the Great is destroyed,
after the false prophet and the beast destroyed in the lake of fire,
after Satan is put in prison for a 1000 years,
then when Satan is let loosed after the 1000 years, he attacks this holy camp that exists there and it's called Gog and Magog.Pierre,
I cannot find any contradictions or deceiving evidence. Wakeup has given truthful statements and I have found scriptures to support. I hope you will not be too upset for longer. We are not all going to agree on everything, but one thing we know for sure is that we love God and our Lord Jesus Christ and sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Wakeup is very passionate about the scriptures, more than any one I know. He warns against religion, and despises it. He hates books about the bible and I can see him getting frustrated too.Please, for the sake of your health, just take a deep breath, and say a prayer. Pray for us too if you think we are wrong, or laugh it off, but show us with love. If you get upset and stressed, it will only be harder for you to heal and you need to be happy now, ……for the faith in God with happiness and clean laughter is the best medicine for healing right now. We love you Pierre.
Your sister in Christ
Journey
J42Quote Pierre,
I cannot find any contradictions or deceiving evidence. Wakeup has given truthful statements and I have found scriptures to support. I hope you will not be too upset for longer. We are not all going to agree on everything, but one thing we know for sure is that we love God and our Lord Jesus Christ and sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Wakeup is very passionate about the scriptures, more than any one I know. He warns against religion, and despises it. He hates books about the bible and I can see him getting frustrated too.FOR A MOMENT I THOUGHT I COULD SEE THIS AS WELL ,BUT NOW I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ;
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,10:33) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 18 2013,10:12) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 18 2013,14:54) Quote I wonder why they keep on mentioning the antichrist
when there is no antichrist mentioned in revelation,
but he is called the FALE PROPHET.rev19:20.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he decieved them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
We know that the man in Rev 13:16 gives the mark of the beast. This is the same man, the false prophet as mentioned in Rev 19:20. It does not say the antichrist, for we know that there are many antichrists.Quote There is no antichrist cast in the fire,but the false prophet and the beast/empire.*Both* were cast in the fire.
Yes we just saw that.Quote And also armageddon is confused with the battle
of gog and magog,which will happen 1000years later.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with christ a thousand years.We can see, that the beast and the false prophet are destroyed at the second coming. Then if we read on in chapter 20, Satan is cast into the bottomless pit and chained there so that he does not decieve the nations till the 1000 years is up. Then we have this;
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.Can we see now that Christ and his resurrected saints rule after Babylon the Great is destroyed,
after the false prophet and the beast destroyed in the lake of fire,
after Satan is put in prison for a 1000 years,
then when Satan is let loosed after the 1000 years, he attacks this holy camp that exists there and it's called Gog and Magog.Pierre,
I cannot find any contradictions or deceiving evidence. Wakeup has given truthful statements and I have found scriptures to support. I hope you will not be too upset for longer. We are not all going to agree on everything, but one thing we know for sure is that we love God and our Lord Jesus Christ and sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Wakeup is very passionate about the scriptures, more than any one I know. He warns against religion, and despises it. He hates books about the bible and I can see him getting frustrated too.Please, for the sake of your health, just take a deep breath, and say a prayer. Pray for us too if you think we are wrong, or laugh it off, but show us with love. If you get upset and stressed, it will only be harder for you to heal and you need to be happy now, ……for the faith in God with happiness and clean laughter is the best medicine for healing right now. We love you Pierre.
Your sister in Christ
Journey
J42Quote Pierre,
I cannot find any contradictions or deceiving evidence. Wakeup has given truthful statements and I have found scriptures to support. I hope you will not be too upset for longer. We are not all going to agree on everything, but one thing we know for sure is that we love God and our Lord Jesus Christ and sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Wakeup is very passionate about the scriptures, more than any one I know. He warns against religion, and despises it. He hates books about the bible and I can see him getting frustrated too.FOR A MOMENT I THOUGHT I COULD SEE THIS AS WELL ,BUT NOW I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ;
Terra.Journey has put forward her scriptural evidence.
So far you have come up with *nothing* but
personal abuse. And that's judging a brother
by your own feelings and logic.
Why cant you come up with some scriptures?
I will be too glad to serve you.wakeup.
let see what scriptures realy says;
MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
MT 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
MK 13:19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
MK 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
JN 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”those words of Christ are they addressed to the apostles or to Israel ,or to all believers THAT WOULD BE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END OF JERUSALEM TEMPLE
it is for the believers of that time of the end of Israel and Judah being rejected by God ,within that generation just as Jesus told them ,for the have rejected life it self ,if anyone take the time to read the book of FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS ,THE HISTORIAN THAT LIVED THROUGH IT ALL ,AND OTHERS ;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT CHRIST AS SAID CAME TO PASS WITHIN THAT GENERATION ;(I DID READ AND MORE PLEASE READ IT )
NOW THEIR ARE TRIBULATION OR HARD TIMES FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN MANY FORMS DURING OUR LIVES ON EARTH THE NEXT SCRIPTURES WILL DEAL WITH THAT ;
RO 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
RO 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
RO 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
RO 12:12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1TH 1:6 You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
REV 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
REV 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
REV 2:10 ‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.EVEN TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THERE ARE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS THAT COME TO CHRIST IN TRIBULATION BECAUSE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM BUT NOT ALL SUFFER THE SAME THINGS BUT GOD LOOKS OUT FOR THOSE RIGHTEOUS ,I DO PRAY FOR THEM ,I MAY NOT KNOW THEM BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:19) let see what scriptures realy says; MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
MT 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
MK 13:19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
MK 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
JN 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”those words of Christ are they addressed to the apostles or to Israel ,or to all believers THAT WOULD BE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END OF JERUSALEM TEMPLE
it is for the believers of that time of the end of Israel and Judah being rejected by God ,within that generation just as Jesus told them ,for the have rejected life it self ,if anyone take the time to read the book of FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS ,THE HISTORIAN THAT LIVED THROUGH IT ALL ,AND OTHERS ;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT CHRIST AS SAID CAME TO PASS WITHIN THAT GENERATION ;(I DID READ AND MORE PLEASE READ IT )
NOW THEIR ARE TRIBULATION OR HARD TIMES FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN MANY FORMS DURING OUR LIVES ON EARTH THE NEXT SCRIPTURES WILL DEAL WITH THAT ;
RO 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
RO 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
RO 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
RO 12:12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1TH 1:6 You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
REV 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
REV 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
REV 2:10 ‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.EVEN TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THERE ARE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS THAT COME TO CHRIST IN TRIBULATION BECAUSE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM BUT NOT ALL SUFFER THE SAME THINGS BUT GOD LOOKS OUT FOR THOSE RIGHTEOUS ,I DO PRAY FOR THEM ,I MAY NOT KNOW THEM BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT ,
The brothers of the past that have gone through their tribulation are now under the altar of God.
They are told to wait untill their fellow brothers also will be killed. This is coming.
We are their fellow brothers that will also be killed like they were.
This will happen in the coming great tribulation.
As never ever was and never will be again.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,09:40) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:19) let see what scriptures realy says; MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
MT 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
MK 13:19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
MK 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
JN 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”those words of Christ are they addressed to the apostles or to Israel ,or to all believers THAT WOULD BE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END OF JERUSALEM TEMPLE
it is for the believers of that time of the end of Israel and Judah being rejected by God ,within that generation just as Jesus told them ,for the have rejected life it self ,if anyone take the time to read the book of FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS ,THE HISTORIAN THAT LIVED THROUGH IT ALL ,AND OTHERS ;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT CHRIST AS SAID CAME TO PASS WITHIN THAT GENERATION ;(I DID READ AND MORE PLEASE READ IT )
NOW THEIR ARE TRIBULATION OR HARD TIMES FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN MANY FORMS DURING OUR LIVES ON EARTH THE NEXT SCRIPTURES WILL DEAL WITH THAT ;
RO 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
RO 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
RO 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
RO 12:12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1TH 1:6 You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
REV 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
REV 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
REV 2:10 ‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.EVEN TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THERE ARE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS THAT COME TO CHRIST IN TRIBULATION BECAUSE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM BUT NOT ALL SUFFER THE SAME THINGS BUT GOD LOOKS OUT FOR THOSE RIGHTEOUS ,I DO PRAY FOR THEM ,I MAY NOT KNOW THEM BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT ,
The brothers of the past that have gone through their tribulation are now under the altar of God.
They are told to wait untill their fellow brothers also will be killed. This is coming.
We are their fellow brothers that will also be killed like they were.
This will happen in the coming great tribulation.
As never ever was and never will be again.wakeup.
SORRY BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ,THIS IS AN ON GOING PROCESS ,UNTIL THE TIME THAT GOD AS SET ,COMES TO ITS END ,AND THAT THE NUMBER OF THE 144 K HIS COMPLETYOU SEE IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD NOT MEN ,IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD;S NAME NOT MEN'S GLORY
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,09:40) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:19) let see what scriptures realy says; MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
MT 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
MK 13:19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
MK 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
JN 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”those words of Christ are they addressed to the apostles or to Israel ,or to all believers THAT WOULD BE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END OF JERUSALEM TEMPLE
it is for the believers of that time of the end of Israel and Judah being rejected by God ,within that generation just as Jesus told them ,for the have rejected life it self ,if anyone take the time to read the book of FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS ,THE HISTORIAN THAT LIVED THROUGH IT ALL ,AND OTHERS ;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT CHRIST AS SAID CAME TO PASS WITHIN THAT GENERATION ;(I DID READ AND MORE PLEASE READ IT )
NOW THEIR ARE TRIBULATION OR HARD TIMES FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN MANY FORMS DURING OUR LIVES ON EARTH THE NEXT SCRIPTURES WILL DEAL WITH THAT ;
RO 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
RO 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
RO 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
RO 12:12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1TH 1:6 You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
REV 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
REV 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
REV 2:10 ‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.EVEN TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THERE ARE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS THAT COME TO CHRIST IN TRIBULATION BECAUSE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM BUT NOT ALL SUFFER THE SAME THINGS BUT GOD LOOKS OUT FOR THOSE RIGHTEOUS ,I DO PRAY FOR THEM ,I MAY NOT KNOW THEM BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT ,
The brothers of the past that have gone through their tribulation are now under the altar of God.
They are told to wait untill their fellow brothers also will be killed. This is coming.
We are their fellow brothers that will also be killed like they were.
This will happen in the coming great tribulation.
As never ever was and never will be again.wakeup.
SORRY BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ,THIS IS AN ON GOING PROCESS ,UNTIL THE TIME THAT GOD AS SET ,COMES TO ITS END ,AND THAT THE NUMBER OF THE 144 K HIS COMPLETYOU SEE IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD NOT MEN ,IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD;S NAME NOT MEN'S GLORY
You are just denying what the scripture says.
Not denying me.
The scriptures says the geat tribulation will be
as never before and never will be again.Daniel 12:1 And **at that time shall Michael stand up**, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and **there shall be a time of trouble**
, **such as never was since there was a nation** even to that same time: and **at that time thy people shall be delivered**, **every one** that shall be found written in the book.Daniel 12:2 And many of them **that sleep in the dust** of the earth **shall awake**, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
THIS IS NOT A PROCESS OF TIME.
BUT WILL HAPPEN IN THE DAY OF THE HARVEST.
THE GREAT TRIBULATION WILL LAST FOR 3/HALF YEARS.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,09:40) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:19) let see what scriptures realy says; MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
MT 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
MK 13:19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
MK 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
JN 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”those words of Christ are they addressed to the apostles or to Israel ,or to all believers THAT WOULD BE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END OF JERUSALEM TEMPLE
it is for the believers of that time of the end of Israel and Judah being rejected by God ,within that generation just as Jesus told them ,for the have rejected life it self ,if anyone take the time to read the book of FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS ,THE HISTORIAN THAT LIVED THROUGH IT ALL ,AND OTHERS ;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT CHRIST AS SAID CAME TO PASS WITHIN THAT GENERATION ;(I DID READ AND MORE PLEASE READ IT )
NOW THEIR ARE TRIBULATION OR HARD TIMES FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN MANY FORMS DURING OUR LIVES ON EARTH THE NEXT SCRIPTURES WILL DEAL WITH THAT ;
RO 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
RO 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
RO 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
RO 12:12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1TH 1:6 You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
REV 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
REV 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
REV 2:10 ‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.EVEN TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THERE ARE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS THAT COME TO CHRIST IN TRIBULATION BECAUSE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM BUT NOT ALL SUFFER THE SAME THINGS BUT GOD LOOKS OUT FOR THOSE RIGHTEOUS ,I DO PRAY FOR THEM ,I MAY NOT KNOW THEM BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT ,
The brothers of the past that have gone through their tribulation are now under the altar of God.
They are told to wait untill their fellow brothers also will be killed. This is coming.
We are their fellow brothers that will also be killed like they were.
This will happen in the coming great tribulation.
As never ever was and never will be again.wakeup.
SORRY BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ,THIS IS AN ON GOING PROCESS ,UNTIL THE TIME THAT GOD AS SET ,COMES TO ITS END ,AND THAT THE NUMBER OF THE 144 K HIS COMPLETYOU SEE IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD NOT MEN ,IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD;S NAME NOT MEN'S GLORY
You are just denying what the scripture says.
Not denying me.
The scriptures says the geat tribulation will be
as never before and never will be again.Daniel 12:1 And **at that time shall Michael stand up**, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and **there shall be a time of trouble**
, **such as never was since there was a nation** even to that same time: and **at that time thy people shall be delivered**, **every one** that shall be found written in the book.Daniel 12:2 And many of them **that sleep in the dust** of the earth **shall awake**, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
THIS IS NOT A PROCESS OF TIME.
BUT WILL HAPPEN IN THE DAY OF THE HARVEST.
THE GREAT TRIBULATION WILL LAST FOR 3/HALF YEARS.wakeup.
WELL WE WILL SEE IF YOU WERE RIGHT DON'T WE ,remember it is not your words that counts but God's word ,and plan ,
and so far i can not see that in your configuration of bits and pieces of scriptures ;
it is at best shaky
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,15:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,09:40) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:19) let see what scriptures realy says; MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
MT 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
MK 13:19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
MK 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
JN 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”those words of Christ are they addressed to the apostles or to Israel ,or to all believers THAT WOULD BE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END OF JERUSALEM TEMPLE
it is for the believers of that time of the end of Israel and Judah being rejected by God ,within that generation just as Jesus told them ,for the have rejected life it self ,if anyone take the time to read the book of FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS ,THE HISTORIAN THAT LIVED THROUGH IT ALL ,AND OTHERS ;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT CHRIST AS SAID CAME TO PASS WITHIN THAT GENERATION ;(I DID READ AND MORE PLEASE READ IT )
NOW THEIR ARE TRIBULATION OR HARD TIMES FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN MANY FORMS DURING OUR LIVES ON EARTH THE NEXT SCRIPTURES WILL DEAL WITH THAT ;
RO 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
RO 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
RO 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
RO 12:12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1TH 1:6 You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
REV 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
REV 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
REV 2:10 ‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.EVEN TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THERE ARE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS THAT COME TO CHRIST IN TRIBULATION BECAUSE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM BUT NOT ALL SUFFER THE SAME THINGS BUT GOD LOOKS OUT FOR THOSE RIGHTEOUS ,I DO PRAY FOR THEM ,I MAY NOT KNOW THEM BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT ,
The brothers of the past that have gone through their tribulation are now under the altar of God.
They are told to wait untill their fellow brothers also will be killed. This is coming.
We are their fellow brothers that will also be killed like they were.
This will happen in the coming great tribulation.
As never ever was and never will be again.wakeup.
SORRY BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ,THIS IS AN ON GOING PROCESS ,UNTIL THE TIME THAT GOD AS SET ,COMES TO ITS END ,AND THAT THE NUMBER OF THE 144 K HIS COMPLETYOU SEE IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD NOT MEN ,IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD;S NAME NOT MEN'S GLORY
You are just denying what the scripture says.
Not denying me.
The scriptures says the geat tribulation will be
as never before and never will be again.Daniel 12:1 And **at that time shall Michael stand up**, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and **there shall be a time of trouble**
, **such as never was since there was a nation** even to that same time: and **at that time thy people shall be delivered**, **every one** that shall be found written in the book.Daniel 12:2 And many of them **that sleep in the dust** of the earth **shall awake**, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
THIS IS NOT A PROCESS OF TIME.
BUT WILL HAPPEN IN THE DAY OF THE HARVEST.
THE GREAT TRIBULATION WILL LAST FOR 3/HALF YEARS.wakeup.
WELL WE WILL SEE IF YOU WERE RIGHT DON'T WE ,remember it is not your words that counts but God's word ,and plan ,
and so far i can not see that in your configuration of bits and pieces of scriptures ;
it is at best shaky
You dont need to wait and see;
the scriptures are very clear.
The great tribulation will last for 3/half years,Some will be killed,for refusing the mark of the beast,some for preaching the Word.Multitudes of men in white robes coming out of great tribulation will be judged and given each their reward.
(rev2o:4–6).These consist off all that have been killed during the centuries,and the last days.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,10:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,15:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 24 2013,09:40) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2013,14:19) let see what scriptures realy says; MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
MT 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
MK 13:19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
MK 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
JN 16:33 “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”those words of Christ are they addressed to the apostles or to Israel ,or to all believers THAT WOULD BE LIVING AT THE TIME OF THE END OF JERUSALEM TEMPLE
it is for the believers of that time of the end of Israel and Judah being rejected by God ,within that generation just as Jesus told them ,for the have rejected life it self ,if anyone take the time to read the book of FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS ,THE HISTORIAN THAT LIVED THROUGH IT ALL ,AND OTHERS ;YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT CHRIST AS SAID CAME TO PASS WITHIN THAT GENERATION ;(I DID READ AND MORE PLEASE READ IT )
NOW THEIR ARE TRIBULATION OR HARD TIMES FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN MANY FORMS DURING OUR LIVES ON EARTH THE NEXT SCRIPTURES WILL DEAL WITH THAT ;
RO 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
RO 5:3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
RO 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
RO 12:12 rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1TH 1:6 You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
REV 1:9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
REV 2:9 ‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
REV 2:10 ‘Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.EVEN TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THERE ARE SOME TRUE BELIEVERS THAT COME TO CHRIST IN TRIBULATION BECAUSE OF THE WORLD AROUND THEM BUT NOT ALL SUFFER THE SAME THINGS BUT GOD LOOKS OUT FOR THOSE RIGHTEOUS ,I DO PRAY FOR THEM ,I MAY NOT KNOW THEM BUT WE HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT ,
The brothers of the past that have gone through their tribulation are now under the altar of God.
They are told to wait untill their fellow brothers also will be killed. This is coming.
We are their fellow brothers that will also be killed like they were.
This will happen in the coming great tribulation.
As never ever was and never will be again.wakeup.
SORRY BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ,THIS IS AN ON GOING PROCESS ,UNTIL THE TIME THAT GOD AS SET ,COMES TO ITS END ,AND THAT THE NUMBER OF THE 144 K HIS COMPLETYOU SEE IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD NOT MEN ,IT IS ALL ABOUT GOD;S NAME NOT MEN'S GLORY
You are just denying what the scripture says.
Not denying me.
The scriptures says the geat tribulation will be
as never before and never will be again.Daniel 12:1 And **at that time shall Michael stand up**, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and **there shall be a time of trouble**
, **such as never was since there was a nation** even to that same time: and **at that time thy people shall be delivered**, **every one** that shall be found written in the book.Daniel 12:2 And many of them **that sleep in the dust** of the earth **shall awake**, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
THIS IS NOT A PROCESS OF TIME.
BUT WILL HAPPEN IN THE DAY OF THE HARVEST.
THE GREAT TRIBULATION WILL LAST FOR 3/HALF YEARS.wakeup.
WELL WE WILL SEE IF YOU WERE RIGHT DON'T WE ,remember it is not your words that counts but God's word ,and plan ,
and so far i can not see that in your configuration of bits and pieces of scriptures ;
it is at best shaky
You dont need to wait and see;
the scriptures are very clear.
The great tribulation will last for 3/half years,Some will be killed,for refusing the mark of the beast,some for preaching the Word.Multitudes of men in white robes coming out of great tribulation will be judged and given each their reward.
(rev2o:4–6).These consist off all that have been killed during the centuries,and the last days.wakeup.
no,this is your clarification of what you like those scriptures to mean ,don't get to far ,in your dreams ,Daniel
Da 12:10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
Da 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Da 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
Da 12:13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.you think that because you give any interpretation to that scripture YOU WOULD BE CALLED WISE
YOU ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE ,
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