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Quote (princess @ May 07 2011,21:54) No Stuart, I cannot join you for tea.
So much for any expectation you might have that I would eventually see what you call truth. By your own standard my assertion of a god is as valid as yours, yet you deny it. In doing so you also deny your own god.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 07 2011,22:33) Quote (princess @ May 07 2011,21:54) No Stuart, I cannot join you for tea.
So much for any expectation you might have that I would eventually see what you call truth. By your own standard my assertion of a god is as valid as yours, yet you deny it. In doing so you also deny your own god.Stuart
I did not know you were looking to find truth Stuart, had thought this was more a less a game you played, did not know you were serious about the matter.You can have any god you want Stuart, tis your choice, not one to have an idol/icon for a god, hence, I cannot join you for tea. I understand about ones having gods of different forms and nature, for you to chose a teapot I was a little taken back, thought it would be more scientific.
Does your teapot come with a book?
Quote (princess @ May 07 2011,23:02) Quote (Stu @ May 07 2011,22:33) Quote (princess @ May 07 2011,21:54) No Stuart, I cannot join you for tea.
So much for any expectation you might have that I would eventually see what you call truth. By your own standard my assertion of a god is as valid as yours, yet you deny it. In doing so you also deny your own god.Stuart
I did not know you were looking to find truth Stuart, had thought this was more a less a game you played, did not know you were serious about the matter.You can have any god you want Stuart, tis your choice, not one to have an idol/icon for a god, hence, I cannot join you for tea. I understand about ones having gods of different forms and nature, for you to chose a teapot I was a little taken back, thought it would be more scientific.
Does your teapot come with a book?
I am not interested in mindlessly following someone else Truth , but I am looking for what is true. The contents of the christian book of mythology is, on the whole, not true so one would need to look elsewhere.You said I could make the god to be whatever I thought was the person, place or thing that I hold above all else, but now you are adding more criteria that you did not mention earlier. You are saying that for you at least a god cannot be an idol. But actually the teapot is NOT an idol of a god, it is the actual god that I am inviting you to worship. So there is no problem there. You are also saying that one can be surprised at another's choice of a god. Why should there be surprise if it can be anything?
Why would a teapot come with a book? They are not that difficult to operate! Does your god have operating instructions?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 29 2011,16:43) Perhaps an American speaker could help me with the expression “Carnival Barker” as used recently by your esteemed President. I gather that carnival barkers are people who attract attention to publicise events, but it must also be a metaphor for publicity seekers in general.
Can anyone tell me how the expression is used commonly, or give examples of who else (apart from Donald Trump) might be accused of being one?
Stuart
The most common “Carnival Barker” today would be “preachers” in the un-holy churches made of brick and mortar. If they can get the people stirred up emotionally they pay more money to their god/church! IMO, TKStuart,
I am not suggesting that you do follow just anyones claim of truth, this comes from within. Tis the reason why your teapot god takes no interest with me, however, you have made your choice of this god, and being a curious type I am interested to know what made you choose this teapot as god?
I am sure you are well aware of this, psychology has a lot to do with what god one chooses. That is where the surprise came in.
Quote (princess @ May 09 2011,01:04) Stuart, I am not suggesting that you do follow just anyones claim of truth, this comes from within. Tis the reason why your teapot god takes no interest with me, however, you have made your choice of this god, and being a curious type I am interested to know what made you choose this teapot as god?
I am sure you are well aware of this, psychology has a lot to do with what god one chooses. That is where the surprise came in.
I chose the teapot because it is now a cliche, although when the concept was proposed by Bertrand Russell it was the precursor to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
Of course I am not using the teapot in quite the way Russell did. I am asking what a god is, and proposing that according to your definition my teapot is as valid a god as yours. You appear to reject my teapot as your god because you do not have an inner feeling that it is a legitimate god.
So now I have told you what my god is, can you tell me what yours is? Then I could tell you whether my inner feeling tells me whether your god is legitimate or not.
This seems to be a very convoluted process of agreeing what a god is.
Stuart
Pardon the delay Stuart, been quite busy as of late.
So you would like to know about my god, well my dear friend, that I cannot do that. Strange as it may sound, where I am at today was given to me by seeking.
I never preferred the force feed method of teaching, nor the I have all the answers teachings, all I can tell you is to keep searching, keep to what is good and pure, recover the peace that was given to you.
Each must make their own, I am most certian that I do not have it all right, with certainity I do have some things right.
As from the beginning of our conversations, 'bang the gang is here' theory does not work for me, so there must be something else. For what my life has been and for me to still be as I am, there is more, we do both agree though, that it was a spark that started the whole thing, yours is just physical and mine is spiritual.
do take care of yourself Stuart, I think of you often, with the hope you are blessed and highly favored.
princess
Quote (princess @ May 13 2011,09:59) Pardon the delay Stuart, been quite busy as of late. So you would like to know about my god, well my dear friend, that I cannot do that. Strange as it may sound, where I am at today was given to me by seeking.
I never preferred the force feed method of teaching, nor the I have all the answers teachings, all I can tell you is to keep searching, keep to what is good and pure, recover the peace that was given to you.
Each must make their own, I am most certian that I do not have it all right, with certainity I do have some things right.
As from the beginning of our conversations, 'bang the gang is here' theory does not work for me, so there must be something else. For what my life has been and for me to still be as I am, there is more, we do both agree though, that it was a spark that started the whole thing, yours is just physical and mine is spiritual.
do take care of yourself Stuart, I think of you often, with the hope you are blessed and highly favored.
princess
This retraction into introspection leaves me cold. I cannot have sympathy for a god that behaves like Osama Bin Laden, appearing as passive and outwardly benign looking until it holds forth on one subject or another, and moving from shadow to shadow against a backdrop of boasting about smiting. At least we knew Bin Laden was a human with evil intent.This enemy you worship is not even describable by you. How chilling and sad all at once.
I guess you don't think it is a teapot but you can't tell me what it is.
I think your god is a child's rag doll.
Stuart
Stuart,
Truly your reaction is quite simple, no character or depth, you compare to what I believe to such a person that everyone has given fame to, one should not speak such again, let the dead the bury the dead.
You to use such words as enemy, curiosity arises. Getting interesting bringing out a bit of you Stuart, good to see. You can call my god anything you like, does not dictate me. See the christian tatics have wore off on you.
I think your god sours the tea.
what next?
Quote (princess @ May 14 2011,09:16) Stuart, Truly your reaction is quite simple, no character or depth, you compare to what I believe to such a person that everyone has given fame to, one should not speak such again, let the dead the bury the dead.
You to use such words as enemy, curiosity arises. Getting interesting bringing out a bit of you Stuart, good to see. You can call my god anything you like, does not dictate me. See the christian tatics have wore off on you.
I think your god sours the tea.
what next?
Back up a bit to morality (I know the wrong thread, but nevertheless) and demonstrate that this god, were it to exist, is not an enemy of humanity. Bin Laden was responsible for thousands of deaths. Your god boasts about responsibility for up to 24,000,000 human deaths.No tea has ever been made in the teapot. It is in orbit around the sun out of reach of humans. It is simply an object to be admired as the greatest of the greatest despite being invisible to us. It has never boasted about killing any humans, so if killing is a wrong then it is far more moral than your god by simply having caused no harm ever.
Stuart
You keep persisting that you know my god, you go from the jewish god, to the chirstian god to the muslim god. If not for the muslim god, the jewish would have no god, and if not for the jewish god there would be no christian god. You really need to brush up on which god goes where, terribly confusing.
So may we continue with the understanding, I don't believe in your god either.
Time to rest the body Stuart.
Goodnight
princess
Quote (princess @ May 14 2011,13:26) You keep persisting that you know my god, you go from the jewish god, to the chirstian god to the muslim god. If not for the muslim god, the jewish would have no god, and if not for the jewish god there would be no christian god. You really need to brush up on which god goes where, terribly confusing. So may we continue with the understanding, I don't believe in your god either.
Time to rest the body Stuart.
Goodnight
princess
I have just finished asking you what a god is, and you tell me it is whatever I decide it is. Since you call yourself christian can I not assume it is the god described in Judeo-christian mythology? You won't tell me what your god is and then you criticise me for getting it wrong?By the way, I think you might have the muslim and Jewish gods the wrong way round.
Stuart
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