To Muslims

[Ed J]

To Muslims, (see also Eph.2:13-22)

How can you (muslims) deny Jesus is God's only begotten son,
when Jesus calls himself (κύριος) the master? (John 15:20-21)

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2012,18:33)

To Muslims, (see also Eph.2:13-22) How can you (muslims) deny Jesus is God's only begotten son, when Jesus calls himself (κύριος) the master? (John 15:20-21) B'shem YHVH

Jesus calling himself Master doesn't make him a literal son of God. But let me make it clear that Jesus is a Master and it is even fine to call him lord the point is that ultimately the Lord God is our only lord many people are called master and lord

Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Do you not think that Jesus doesn't mean what he says?

John 9:35-38 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he
had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord (meaning Master or owner), I believe. And he worshipped him.

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,17:29)

Hi BD, Do you not think that Jesus doesn't mean what he says? John 9:35-38 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord (meaning Master or owner), I believe. And he worshipped him. B'shem YHVH

Yes, I believe it a righteous servant is called or referred to as “son”. You must understand this point, this is why verses like this make sense:

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

The spirits that are called Angels are Righteous Servants and so they are called “sons” the spirits that are called Satans or demons are adversary and not righteous they are not called sons

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

When Jesus said he was the “Son of God”, was he lying?

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Dost thou believe on the Son of God ? (John 9:35-38)

Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: huios
Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os')
Short Definition: a son, descendent
Definition: a son, descendent.

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Please answer the question in my previous post.

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:41)

Hi BD, Dost thou believe on the Son of God ? (John 9:35-38) Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: huios Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os') Short Definition: a son, descendent Definition: a son, descendent. B'shem YHVH

You left this definition out:

“used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower “

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5207

look:

Mark 3:17
And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:

Is thunder literally their Father?

You already admitted that God did not do anything remotely sexual to Mary so how else does someone get a son other than through adoption?

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

So now YOU want us to believe that the word “Son” really mean doesn't “Son”?   …very weak indeed!

The Greek word for “Son” really does mean “Son”; face it BD, you sold your life for a lie.

You will do anything to try to promote the ‘book of fraud’, won't you?

Come back to the living GOD, Jesus' Father!

He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22)

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,00:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:41) Hi BD, Dost thou believe on the Son of God ? (John 9:35-38) Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: huios Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os') Short Definition: a son, descendent Definition: a son, descendent. B'shem YHVH You left this definition out: “used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower “ http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5207 look: Mark 3:17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: Is thunder literally their Father? You already admitted that God did not do anything remotely sexual to Mary so how else does someone get a son other than through adoption?

Hi BD,

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2012,17:14)

What I am saying is just because people abuse a word is no reason for you to reject the true meaning of that word.

Why don't you follow your own advice and quit trying to change the definitions of words; or are you a hypocrite?

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,01:10)

Hi BD, So now YOU want us to believe that the word “Son” really mean doesn't “Son”?   …very weak indeed! The Greek word for “Son” really does mean “Son”; face it BD, you sold your life for a lie. You will do anything to try to promote the ‘book of fraud’, won't you? Come back to the living GOD, Jesus' Father! He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22) B'shem YHVH

No actually he is anti-christ that deny God and His Christ.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,01:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,00:59) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:41) Hi BD, Dost thou believe on the Son of God ? (John 9:35-38) Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: huios Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os') Short Definition: a son, descendent Definition: a son, descendent. B'shem YHVH You left this definition out: “used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower “ http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5207 look: Mark 3:17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: Is thunder literally their Father? You already admitted that God did not do anything remotely sexual to Mary so how else does someone get a son other than through adoption? Hi BD, Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2012,17:14) What I am saying is just because people abuse a word is no reason for you to reject the true meaning of that word. Why don't you follow your own advice and quit trying to change the definitions of words; or are you a hypocrite? B'shem YHVH

ED

The true meaning of the word son can only apply to anyone as to be figurative concerning God. God does not procreate and have children. Those who are led by the spirit are called sons of God as to be viewed as Righteous servants.

Jesus has a literal mother named Mary if God is the literal Father of Jesus you are saying that God and Mary literally are co-parents of Christ

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,04:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,01:10) Hi BD, So now YOU want us to believe that the word “Son” really mean doesn't “Son”?   …very weak indeed! The Greek word for “Son” really does mean “Son”; face it BD, you sold your life for a lie. You will do anything to try to promote the ‘book of fraud’, won't you? Come back to the living GOD, Jesus' Father! He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22) B'shem YHVH No actually he is anti-christ that deny God and His Christ.

Hi BD,

You do know that bearing false witness is a sin. (Ex.20:16/Deut.5:20)
Your lies will get you no-where. Turn back to the living God(YHVH), BD!

Original Word: “FATHER”
πατήρ, πατρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: patér
Phonetic Spelling: (pat-ayr')
Short Definition: father, Father, ancestor
Definition: father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior.

Original Word: “SON”
υἱός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: huios
Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os')
Short Definition: a son, descendent
Definition: a son, descendent.

B'shem
YHVH

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,04:26)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,01:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,00:59) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:41) Hi BD, Dost thou believe on the Son of God ? (John 9:35-38) Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: huios Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os') Short Definition: a son, descendent Definition: a son, descendent. B'shem YHVH You left this definition out: “used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower “ http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5207 look: Mark 3:17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: Is thunder literally their Father? You already admitted that God did not do anything remotely sexual to Mary so how else does someone get a son other than through adoption? Hi BD, Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2012,17:14) What I am saying is just because people abuse a word is no reason for you to reject the true meaning of that word. Why don't you follow your own advice and quit trying to change the definitions of words; or are you a hypocrite? B'shem YHVH ED The true meaning of the word son can only apply to anyone as to be figurative concerning God. God does not procreate and have children. Those who are led by the spirit are called sons of God as to be viewed as Righteous servants. Jesus has a literal mother named Mary if God is the literal Father of Jesus you are saying that God and Mary literally are co-parents of Christ

Hi BD,

That is why you will fall like one of the princes! You know not, neither do you understand…

Psalms 82:1-7 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked(islamists).
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness:
all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,05:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,04:21) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,01:10) Hi BD, So now YOU want us to believe that the word “Son” really mean doesn't “Son”?   …very weak indeed! The Greek word for “Son” really does mean “Son”; face it BD, you sold your life for a lie. You will do anything to try to promote the ‘book of fraud’, won't you? Come back to the living GOD, Jesus' Father! He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22) B'shem YHVH No actually he is anti-christ that deny God and His Christ. Hi BD, You do know that bearing false witness is a sin. (Ex.20:16/Deut.5:20) Your lies will get you no-where. Turn back to the living God(YHVH), BD! Original Word: “FATHER” πατήρ, πατρός, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: patér Phonetic Spelling: (pat-ayr') Short Definition: father, Father, ancestor Definition: father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior. Original Word: “SON” υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: huios Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os') Short Definition: a son, descendent Definition: a son, descendent. B'shem YHVH

So is God the heavenly Father of Jesus or his earth Father?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,05:37)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,04:26) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,01:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,00:59) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:41) Hi BD, Dost thou believe on the Son of God ? (John 9:35-38) Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: huios Phonetic Spelling: (hwee-os') Short Definition: a son, descendent Definition: a son, descendent. B'shem YHVH You left this definition out: “used to describe one who depends on another or is his follower “ http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5207 look: Mark 3:17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder: Is thunder literally their Father? You already admitted that God did not do anything remotely sexual to Mary so how else does someone get a son other than through adoption? Hi BD, Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2012,17:14) What I am saying is just because people abuse a word is no reason for you to reject the true meaning of that word. Why don't you follow your own advice and quit trying to change the definitions of words; or are you a hypocrite? B'shem YHVH ED The true meaning of the word son can only apply to anyone as to be figurative concerning God. God does not procreate and have children. Those who are led by the spirit are called sons of God as to be viewed as Righteous servants. Jesus has a literal mother named Mary if God is the literal Father of Jesus you are saying that God and Mary literally are co-parents of Christ Hi BD, That is why you will fall like one of the princes! You know not, neither do you understand… Psalms 82:1-7 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked(islamists). They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. B'shem YHVH

So we are all gods ED?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,06:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,05:37) Hi BD, That is why you will fall like one of the princes! You know not, neither do you understand… Psalms 82:1-7 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked(islamists). They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. B'shem YHVH So we are all gods ED?

Hi BD,

“For YHVH your God is God of gods, and LORD of Lords(see Rev.19:16), a great
GOD, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger,
in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Thou shalt fear the LORD(YHVH) thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name (YÄ-hä-vā).
He is thy praise, and he(YHVH) is thy God” (Deut 10:17-21)

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,07:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2012,06:14) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,05:37) Hi BD, That is why you will fall like one of the princes! You know not, neither do you understand… Psalms 82:1-7 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked(islamists). They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. B'shem YHVH So we are all gods ED? Hi BD, “For YHVH your God is God of gods, and LORD of Lords(see Rev.19:16), a great GOD, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. Thou shalt fear the LORD(YHVH) thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name (YÄ-hä-vā). He is thy praise, and he(YHVH) is thy God” (Deut 10:17-21) B'shem YHVH

The question is: are we all gods ED?

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

We are all God's.

B'shem
YHVH

[942767]

Hi BD:

Jesus is the Son of God as Ed has told you by the scriptures. This has nothing to do with procreation, but is an act of Love by God to provide the propitiation for our sins, and reconcile us unto Himself.

After Jesus rose from the dead, he said the following:

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Luk 24:44 ¶ And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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