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Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 15 2013,05:47)

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 14 2013,17:21) PART 3 Now that we've seen the coming in the previous scriptures, remember I said this: Now the Christians were taken up to Christ in the clouds at His coming. They didn't have to catch a plane to the clouds, or travel to a departure point, or sail over to Israel, or walk miles and miles, or go horseback or ride camels or donkeys, they were all of them, just taken from where they stood or lay or were buried, in the blink of an eye were they taken to Christ….So what is this then? : Remember, this is after Armageddon… 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. There is the answer…after Armageddon, all the nations, meaning the survivors of all nationalities, will BRING Israelites to Jerusalem as a peace offering!! What else could they possibly offer? Now what should all this tell us? It tells us that this group was NOT TAKEN UP IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET CHRIST AT HIS COMING…so they were NOT Christians when Christ returned!! But they are being gathered to Christ using ANIMALS to transport them..so they are STILL FLESH!! This should also prove that the earth is NOT melted down at the coming, but those prophecies are still future. Because here we see HEATHEN still alive even after Armageddon!! This also tells us that Christ is going to gather this other group, who did not believe on Him, to the land of Israel, who are FLESH, to meet the Lord and SERVE Him in Jerusalem!! And this group are His brethren!!…Israelites!! Remember, the first will be last and the last will be first? Well the last to hear & accept Gods word were the Gentiles, and they embraced Christ and therefore were gathered first, in the clouds… Last these Israelites will accept Christ, who were first to hear God in the world, but rejected His Son, so the Gentiles came in first instead. But now their (Israel's) gathering in Christ will be fulfilled as promised through the prophets. But they are not changed into spirit yet like the Christians were, because no man is changed into spirit until after the Holy Spirit has grafted to their mortal souls as Romans 8:11 declares. This is why flesh must carry on for another 1000 years…it is the grafting back into the olive tree by that Holy Spirit placed within men that is taking place here. They need to go through the same growth experiences we did, and after they finish their days on earth, they too will become spirit like the Christians before them. Remember…These are those who did not labour all day in the heat thereof, yet they are being paid by Christ nevertheless…so don't grumble that Israel WILL get mercy, be glad instead, Christ ordained it this way… Please don't fall victim to the curse and hate this idea of mercy on Israel, purge that out from your hearts, because it in no way threatens your salvation having mercy shown to Israel…whom God has blinded for this very purpose… So they, Israel, all Israel, will finally know that Jesus IS Lord. And in their shame they will bow down to the ground before Him, and He WILL accept them, and turn their shame to glory and make them a praise within the earth before all the heathen wheresoever they go. And they will be famous in every land they visit, something that has never happened before. This is the Lords will, this will be done whether Christians like it or not. Can one be a true Christian and not like this plan? MERCY on Israel? To whom the oracles of God were first given? Mercy means undeserved grace. Should we deny this grace shown to us when we were unbelievers to be denied upon others besides? God forbid!! Or is it because it is Israel that this mercy is being extended to? Israel? Anyone else but Israel maybe? Isn't this part of that curse? Hate for Israel? Is there hate for Israel in our hearts too? Is that why so many fight against this message? I sincerely hope not brothers and sisters. Please let it not be so amongst you… As it is in the hearts of Christs enemies… That Israel will be shown mercy and the kingdom restored to them. May the Lord come speedily, Amen.

Hi Devo,

Where does the New heavens and New earth fit in?

Peace brother..

[Devolution]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 17 2013,12:50)

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 16 2013,15:20) Quote “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword (“The Word” of God), that with it he should smite the nations: and he(The HolySpirit)  shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And  he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Rev 19:16).” Again, we were speaking of the rod of His inheritance remember? His inheritance is not Himself, how do you inherit yourself? Hi Devo, I wasn't; I instead was speaking of the rod of Jesus strength, which is the HolySpirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Oh,

I could have sworn I saw you write the 'rod of his inheritance' !!

Sorry bout that EdJ.
Don't know how I did that.

Well, im about to turn off now, so i'll go over what you are saying again when I next get a chance.

Cheers.

[Devolution]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 18 2013,03:13)

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 15 2013,05:47) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 14 2013,17:21) PART 3 Now that we've seen the coming in the previous scriptures, remember I said this: Now the Christians were taken up to Christ in the clouds at His coming. They didn't have to catch a plane to the clouds, or travel to a departure point, or sail over to Israel, or walk miles and miles, or go horseback or ride camels or donkeys, they were all of them, just taken from where they stood or lay or were buried, in the blink of an eye were they taken to Christ….So what is this then? : Remember, this is after Armageddon… 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. There is the answer…after Armageddon, all the nations, meaning the survivors of all nationalities, will BRING Israelites to Jerusalem as a peace offering!! What else could they possibly offer? Now what should all this tell us? It tells us that this group was NOT TAKEN UP IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET CHRIST AT HIS COMING…so they were NOT Christians when Christ returned!! But they are being gathered to Christ using ANIMALS to transport them..so they are STILL FLESH!! This should also prove that the earth is NOT melted down at the coming, but those prophecies are still future. Because here we see HEATHEN still alive even after Armageddon!! This also tells us that Christ is going to gather this other group, who did not believe on Him, to the land of Israel, who are FLESH, to meet the Lord and SERVE Him in Jerusalem!! And this group are His brethren!!…Israelites!! Remember, the first will be last and the last will be first? Well the last to hear & accept Gods word were the Gentiles, and they embraced Christ and therefore were gathered first, in the clouds… Last these Israelites will accept Christ, who were first to hear God in the world, but rejected His Son, so the Gentiles came in first instead. But now their (Israel's) gathering in Christ will be fulfilled as promised through the prophets. But they are not changed into spirit yet like the Christians were, because no man is changed into spirit until after the Holy Spirit has grafted to their mortal souls as Romans 8:11 declares. This is why flesh must carry on for another 1000 years…it is the grafting back into the olive tree by that Holy Spirit placed within men that is taking place here. They need to go through the same growth experiences we did, and after they finish their days on earth, they too will become spirit like the Christians before them. Remember…These are those who did not labour all day in the heat thereof, yet they are being paid by Christ nevertheless…so don't grumble that Israel WILL get mercy, be glad instead, Christ ordained it this way… Please don't fall victim to the curse and hate this idea of mercy on Israel, purge that out from your hearts, because it in no way threatens your salvation having mercy shown to Israel…whom God has blinded for this very purpose… So they, Israel, all Israel, will finally know that Jesus IS Lord. And in their shame they will bow down to the ground before Him, and He WILL accept them, and turn their shame to glory and make them a praise within the earth before all the heathen wheresoever they go. And they will be famous in every land they visit, something that has never happened before. This is the Lords will, this will be done whether Christians like it or not. Can one be a true Christian and not like this plan? MERCY on Israel? To whom the oracles of God were first given? Mercy means undeserved grace. Should we deny this grace shown to us when we were unbelievers to be denied upon others besides? God forbid!! Or is it because it is Israel that this mercy is being extended to? Israel? Anyone else but Israel maybe? Isn't this part of that curse? Hate for Israel? Is there hate for Israel in our hearts too? Is that why so many fight against this message? I sincerely hope not brothers and sisters. Please let it not be so amongst you… As it is in the hearts of Christs enemies… That Israel will be shown mercy and the kingdom restored to them. May the Lord come speedily, Amen. Hi Devo, Where does the New heavens and New earth fit in? Peace brother..

Hi Abe,

After the millennium and after the 2nd resurrection (final judgment), when the only ones left alive by then are all spirit, then the new heavens & earth will be made.

This below is God speaking to those Israelites whom He gathers after Armageddon…(same chapter this post is based on)

Isaiah 66:22  
   For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

which I will make
So by that stage, When the Israelites are gathered into the millennial kingdom, God is saying that He will make new heavens & earth, which means that its not made yet.

remain before Him is also used as meaning…in the future….”Abe has a lot of work remaining before him”.

Isaiah ch65
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

TRANSLATION: I am going to create a new heavens and earth, BUT, be glad in what I am giving you at the moment. And it is obvious in the following verses it is the 1000 year kingdom being described, no new earth just yet.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will
answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Thanks Abe.

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Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 17 2013,21:14)

We are not technically considered to have overcome the world until we have finished the race. And that will only happen at either our deaths, or at the 2nd coming gathering. So we can not be 'sitting' in his throne just yet with power. Do we have the sort of power promised we will have in the kingdom right now? Of course not. When did Jesus sit in His Fathers throne? When His earthly ministry came to an end at crucifixion. He finished the race so to speak, He inherited when He ascended. I do understand where you are coming from though… 1 John 5:5    Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? But declarations like these must be tempered with ones like these: Revelation 2:26      And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: You see, unto the end, then we inherit and 'sit in His throne'. We do not decide if we have overcome, and we do not officially overcome until the end of our days on earth. Do we have power over the nations right now? Do we judge ourselves as having overcome already? Are we judges of our own salvation now? We do not have the right to declare ourselves as having overcome, that will be revealed by Christ and not we ourselves. Cheers.

devo

agreed ,well explained ,

[abe]

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 17 2013,08:52)

Quote (abe @ Aug. 18 2013,03:13) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 15 2013,05:47) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 14 2013,17:21) PART 3 Now that we've seen the coming in the previous scriptures, remember I said this: Now the Christians were taken up to Christ in the clouds at His coming. They didn't have to catch a plane to the clouds, or travel to a departure point, or sail over to Israel, or walk miles and miles, or go horseback or ride camels or donkeys, they were all of them, just taken from where they stood or lay or were buried, in the blink of an eye were they taken to Christ….So what is this then? : Remember, this is after Armageddon… 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. There is the answer…after Armageddon, all the nations, meaning the survivors of all nationalities, will BRING Israelites to Jerusalem as a peace offering!! What else could they possibly offer? Now what should all this tell us? It tells us that this group was NOT TAKEN UP IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET CHRIST AT HIS COMING…so they were NOT Christians when Christ returned!! But they are being gathered to Christ using ANIMALS to transport them..so they are STILL FLESH!! This should also prove that the earth is NOT melted down at the coming, but those prophecies are still future. Because here we see HEATHEN still alive even after Armageddon!! This also tells us that Christ is going to gather this other group, who did not believe on Him, to the land of Israel, who are FLESH, to meet the Lord and SERVE Him in Jerusalem!! And this group are His brethren!!…Israelites!! Remember, the first will be last and the last will be first? Well the last to hear & accept Gods word were the Gentiles, and they embraced Christ and therefore were gathered first, in the clouds… Last these Israelites will accept Christ, who were first to hear God in the world, but rejected His Son, so the Gentiles came in first instead. But now their (Israel's) gathering in Christ will be fulfilled as promised through the prophets. But they are not changed into spirit yet like the Christians were, because no man is changed into spirit until after the Holy Spirit has grafted to their mortal souls as Romans 8:11 declares. This is why flesh must carry on for another 1000 years…it is the grafting back into the olive tree by that Holy Spirit placed within men that is taking place here. They need to go through the same growth experiences we did, and after they finish their days on earth, they too will become spirit like the Christians before them. Remember…These are those who did not labour all day in the heat thereof, yet they are being paid by Christ nevertheless…so don't grumble that Israel WILL get mercy, be glad instead, Christ ordained it this way… Please don't fall victim to the curse and hate this idea of mercy on Israel, purge that out from your hearts, because it in no way threatens your salvation having mercy shown to Israel…whom God has blinded for this very purpose… So they, Israel, all Israel, will finally know that Jesus IS Lord. And in their shame they will bow down to the ground before Him, and He WILL accept them, and turn their shame to glory and make them a praise within the earth before all the heathen wheresoever they go. And they will be famous in every land they visit, something that has never happened before. This is the Lords will, this will be done whether Christians like it or not. Can one be a true Christian and not like this plan? MERCY on Israel? To whom the oracles of God were first given? Mercy means undeserved grace. Should we deny this grace shown to us when we were unbelievers to be denied upon others besides? God forbid!! Or is it because it is Israel that this mercy is being extended to? Israel? Anyone else but Israel maybe? Isn't this part of that curse? Hate for Israel? Is there hate for Israel in our hearts too? Is that why so many fight against this message? I sincerely hope not brothers and sisters. Please let it not be so amongst you… As it is in the hearts of Christs enemies… That Israel will be shown mercy and the kingdom restored to them. May the Lord come speedily, Amen. Hi Devo, Where does the New heavens and New earth fit in? Peace brother.. Hi Abe, After the millennium and after the 2nd resurrection (final judgment), when the only ones left alive by then are all spirit, then the new heavens & earth will be made. This below is God speaking to those Israelites whom He gathers after Armageddon…(same chapter this post is based on) Isaiah 66:22      For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. which I will make So by that stage, When the Israelites are gathered into the millennial kingdom, God is saying that He will make new heavens & earth, which means that its not made yet. remain before Him is also used as meaning…in the future….”Abe has a lot of work remaining before him”. Isaiah ch65 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. TRANSLATION: I am going to create a new heavens and earth, BUT, be glad in what I am giving you at the moment. And it is obvious in the following verses it is the 1000 year kingdom being described, no new earth just yet. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. 24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. Thanks Abe.

Hi Devo,

2Cor.5:14    For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15And that he died for all, that they who live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who died for them, and rose again.
16Therefore from now on know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet from now on know we him no more.
17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a New Creation: old things are   *passed away*;   behold, all things are become   New.

This is Past……..Not Future……

Peace brother……….

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abe

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17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a New Creation: old things are *passed away*

when can you say that is accomplished in the believer

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 18 2013,03:24)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 17 2013,12:50) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 16 2013,15:20) Quote “And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword (“The Word” of God), that with it he should smite the nations: and he(The HolySpirit)  shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And  he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Rev 19:16).” Again, we were speaking of the rod of His inheritance remember? His inheritance is not Himself, how do you inherit yourself? Hi Devo, I wasn't; I instead was speaking of the rod of Jesus strength, which is the HolySpirit. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Oh, I could have sworn I saw you write the 'rod of his inheritance' !! Sorry bout that EdJ. Don't know how I did that. Well, im about to turn off now, so i'll go over what you are saying again when I next get a chance. Cheers.

Hi Devo,

That's all right, I didn't say islam was before John either.
That was something else that Wakeup had believed I said.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (abe @ Aug. 18 2013,05:14)

Hi Devo, 2Cor.5:14    For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they who live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who died for them, and rose again. 16Therefore from now on know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet from now on know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a New Creation: old things are   *passed away*;   behold, all things are become   New. This is Past……..Not Future…… Peace brother……….

Hi Abe,

I'm not sure how the scripture you quoted is connected to the subject at hand?

What you quoted is concerning a spiritual condition and its end result for the believer.

The scriptures I gave concern a literal event occurring after Armageddon concerning Israelites being offered as a peace offering by the all the heathen nations to Christ.

Two different subjects?

Thanks Abe.

[Devolution]

PART 4

prophetic glimpses into the future

Israel's days of dispersion are completed.

Isaiah 11:

In this chapter, the prophecy jumps around a little in time, skipping forward, then even deeper forward still, suddenly jumping back (though still future to Isaiah), and then forward once again to an amazing event…
And if we as Christians are worthy of Him, we will witness this one day in the not too distant future…

15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; STOP!!…do you realize what other name is given to the Egyptian sea?

It is also known as the RED SEA!!
The very sea Moses parted!!

Now the tongue of this sea will be dried up!!
Look on a map, see that land mass which looks like a tongue poking into the sea to the right of Egypt?
Well the waters around that tongue, most likely (obviously?) the side facing Egypt, will be dried up…that's a lot of water removed to say the least!!

Again, consider this, that this event has never happened since Moses' days, and this is the Lord gathering Israel, and this is happening after He has returned, and this group was not caught up in the clouds to meet Christ either!!
But must make their own way to Jerusalem to answer the calling heralding the end of their dispersion.
Who can argue against this coming miracle and delegate it to the past?
Forgive my bluntness…but surely only a fool would!!..we continue the verse… and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

Notice the watery obstacles are being removed for these Israelites being called home to Israel?

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; STOP….this highway has a metaphoric and a literal meaning, it is used in two different ways to convey a message, but this highway, this is the literal highway of which is another subject I will address later), anyway, don't be fooled into thinking this has anything to do with Assyria of the past, because remember the tongue of the Egyptian Sea?…the RED SEA…in the previous verse…well now behold this confirmation as to the time period meant…we continue this verse…  like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Amazing!!
There was an underwater land bridge which the parting of the Red Sea exposed for the Israelites to cross over on…could this be part of that highway God provides the returning dispersed to travel over, just like :  like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Recap in context

Isaiah ch11:
   15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Again, this still hasn't happened yet.
So there are only two choices one can come to on this subject…
It is true, Christ is going to gather Israel into the land of Israel after He returns with His resurrected saints and bless them in His coming earthly kingdom which of course means that the earth has not yet been melted and no new heavens yet grace the night skies,  and that Christ must after all really be accepting Israel back as His people for Him to rule and reveal Himself too, and for His resurrected saints to teach and rule over, and that the 1000 years where these people are having children and dying in good old age…must really be literal after all.

OR….

Isaiah had eaten some funny mushrooms and wasn't himself that day…
or night…

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