Three days and three nights

[seeking the truth]

Yeshua died on Wednesday afternoon and was laid in the grave as the annual Sabbath was beginning. He was in the grave Wednesday night, Thursday day, Thursday night, Friday day, Friday night, and Saturday day. Therefore, He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. He was resurrected late on the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. Therefore, He rose on the third day. Also, it was after 3 days and 3 nights. Those are the incontrovertible facts from the scriptural record.

Yes, the walk to Emmaus was on Sunday, but it is a misunderstanding and mistranslation that Sunday was the third day since the crucifixion…

The Greek word for “since” after “the third day” in Luke 24:21 actually means “away from”. Away from is the same as our “after”. Yeshua died late on a Wednesday afternoon and was laid in the grave at sundown on Wednesday as Thursday was beginning. He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights on Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday night and Thursday day, Friday day, and Saturday day using our reckoning of days and nights. He rose as the Sabbath was ending. So He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights and rose after 3 days and 3 nights while the Sabbath was ending. So He rose on the third day. Sunday is therefore the 4th day. The actual literal Greek translation of Luke 24:21 is:

But surely also together with all these things, it brings a third day away from which all these things occurred.

Translators take the cumbersome literal translation and make it flow , taking some liberty with it, but trying to retain accuracy. The 4th day is “away from” the third day. So it is apparent that the verse is literally saying they were walking and talking after the third day, which was Sunday. However, have other translators understood this point too? Yes, let's look at 3 of them. (Luke 24:21)

Moffatt Translation–by James Moffatt
….but he is dead, and that is three days ago!

The New Berkeley Version in Modern English– Gerrit Verkugl
Moreover, three days have already passed, since all these events occurred.

The Syriac New Testament Translated Into English From The Peshitto Version — James Murdock
…and lo, three days have passed since all these things have occurred.

The Syriac Reading can be confirmed by 2 of the oldest manuscripts in Estrangelo Aramaic: the Sinaitic Palimpset and the Curetonian Syriac.

There is exceedingly ample evidence that the correct translation for Luke 24:21 is that the KJV should read, “today IS AFTER THE THIRD day since these things were done.” As the information above shows, the oldest and multiple original manuscripts show that “away from” is the correct word for since, and shows us that they were talking about Sunday being the 4th day since Yeshua was laid in the grave. That troubled them, because He has clearly said many times that He would rise on the third day, after 3 days and 3 nights. He would fulfill the sign of Jonah, as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the great fish, so Yeshua would be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.

Wednesday before 6pm Yeshua was already in the tomb before The High day Sabbath. ( 94 WAS RIGHT jEWISH DAYS STARTS AND ENDS AT 6P.M. AND ENDS AT 6A.M.) Yeshua died at 3 P.m. ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE THE HIGHDAY……..

WEDNESDAY 6 P.M.  is THE BEGINNING  of high Sabbath until 6A.M. following day!(THURSDAY!)..So that is the FIRST NIGHT Yeshua was in the  tomb.

Sabbath THURSDAY 6 A.M. TO 6.PM. One full day

Thursday 6P.M. to 6A.M FRIDAY = 2nd NIGHT SPENT IN THE TOMB

FRIDAY  6 A.M. to 6 P.M.= 2nd  DAY

Friday 6P.M. TO 6 A.M Saturday = 3rd NIGHT

SATURDAY 6A.M. to 6 P.M.= 3rd DAY..

If you rather count from the time he died (3P.M.)instead of the time he was put in the tomb the result would still be the same He was RISEN ON THE SABBATH.

Yeshua is Lord even in the Sabbath…just like His Father Yahweh!!!!!

[Jodi]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,07:10)

Jodi You said… Quote I don't care about the RCC and there made up Sabbath. Even if Jesus were to be raised on Sunday, I don't see how that gives them the right to change it. I agree with you. Most Christians may see Sunday as a day of celebration and worship as every day should be. But I dont see where most say that Sunday is the new Sabbath. Sunday worship is not the Christian Sabbath. It seems because of the RCC there are so many afraid to call sunday a time of worship or gathering because of fear of what the RCC said. The NT saints gathered together every day. One here even calls Sunday the day of the sun-god. Well no day belongs to a sun-god. David said…”this is the day that the Lord has made”, so all days are Gods and we should worship him everyday. Whos cares what the RCC says.

Very good points WJ!

I caught that comment before, 'no day belongs to a sun-god', I think you were talking to Laurel.

All days are the Lord's Days!

You could not be more right about people being afraid. People talking about not putting candles on a cake, and things like that, worrying about certain things pagans did. Pagans probably brought flowers into their home as a form of worship to their gods. So we might as well not do that either. Absurdity.

[Laurel]

Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 29 2007,08:47)

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 29 2007,07:17) The meal Y'shua had His taugh ones eat was at the beginning of the Passover. It was the night time that followed the 13th.  So it was the 14th at the beginning of the Passover before the sun came up that He was betrayed! Sorry Laurel but if you look a little closer I believe you will see that is just not correct. Exodus 12:18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day. Leviticus 23:4 “'These are the Lord's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month.6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. Numbers 28:16“'On the fourteenth day of the first month the Lord's Passover is to be held. 17 On the fifteenth day of this month there is to be a festival; for seven days eat bread made without yeast. When it says,”you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day” they are talking about from the 14-15th not the 13-14. Otherwise the 14th would be the first DAY of Unleavened bread. Scripture clearly tells us that the 15th is the First DAY of Unleavened Bread. Do you see your problem here? Once again Jesus and his disciples kept the Passover, meaning on the evening of the 14-15th they ate the new Passover meal which Jesus instituted. That night he was betrayed and the next morning, the First Day of Unleavened Bread he was crucified!

Jodi,
It is impossible for Y'shua to be eating the “Passover” and to be the “Passover” at the exact same time.

Scripture is exact, not wishy washy.

[Laurel]

Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 30 2007,07:44)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,07:10) Jodi You said… Quote I don't care about the RCC and there made up Sabbath. Even if Jesus were to be raised on Sunday, I don't see how that gives them the right to change it. I agree with you. Most Christians may see Sunday as a day of celebration and worship as every day should be. But I dont see where most say that Sunday is the new Sabbath. Sunday worship is not the Christian Sabbath. It seems because of the RCC there are so many afraid to call sunday a time of worship or gathering because of fear of what the RCC said. The NT saints gathered together every day. One here even calls Sunday the day of the sun-god. Well no day belongs to a sun-god. David said…”this is the day that the Lord has made”, so all days are Gods and we should worship him everyday. Whos cares what the RCC says. Very good points WJ! I caught that comment before,  'no day belongs to a sun-god', I think you were talking to Laurel. All days are the Lord's Days! You could not be more right about people being afraid. People talking about not putting candles on a cake, and things like that, worrying about certain things pagans did. Pagans probably brought flowers into their home as a form of worship to their gods. So we might as well not do that either. Absurdity.

It's too bad that those Christian's who worship every single day of the week refuse to make the Sabbath day their day of rest. YHWH commanded it, and it stands. He does not change to suit you, we change to suit Him.

If you do not agree to this “New Covenant” so be it.

Laurel

ps. If they really were worshiping Him every single day then when would they get their work done or pay bills?

YHWH is not the author of confusion.

1Co 14:33 For Elohim is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblys of the set-apart ones.

[Laurel]

“Sunday” is named after the Sun god. The entire Roman calander is named after pagen dieties!

YHWH's good day is called the 1st day as are all the days of the week named for their place in the week, except for the Sabbath, which means rest day!

[Worshipping Jesus]

STT

If you hold to a litteral 72 Hours, then give me “your” explanation of these scriptures. How do they fit into your WWC doctrine that he was crucified on a wednesday.

How do you reconcile all the scriptures that indicate it could not have been litterally 72 hours.

If Jesus was meaning a litteral 72 hr period, then please explain the following…

Lk 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

LK 24:13
And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week)since these things were done.

Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said…

to day is the third day since these things were done.

This account proves 2 things.

1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account.

2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account.

Mk 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Jesus also said…

Lk 13:32
And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.'
33 Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.

Jesus is telling us here what he meant by three days or third day.

Example is if he made this statement on Wednesday, it would read…

And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today (Wed) and tomorrow (Thur), and the third day (Fri) I reach My goal.'

So Jesus own words for 3 days is not 72 hours. He includes the current day as one day.

Using that principle, He was crucified and buried on Friday,(1st day), Saturday, (2nd day), Raised, Sunday, (3rd day).

Yeshua also would have had to rise on Sunday the first day of the week for these reasons…

A. Day of first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday:
1. New Bible dictionary, Passover:
o“The Sadducees celebrated it on the 50th day (inclusive reckoning) from the first Sunday after Passover (taking the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 to be the weekly Sabbath); their reckoning regulated the public observance so long as the Temple stood, and the church is therefore justified in commemorating the first Christian Pentecost on a Sunday (Whit Sunday). The Pharisees, however, interpreted the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 as the Festival of Unleavened Bread (cf. Lv. 23:7), and their reckoning became normative in Judaism after ad 70, so that in the Jewish calendar Pentecost now falls on various days of the week.” (New Bible dictionary, Passover)
2. Still fell on Sunday in 33 AD!
oEven if the Sabbath of Lev 23:11&15 is not the weekly Sabbath, but a reference to the first day of unleavened bread, being the Sabbath, the Wave/ sheaf/ First fruits offering AND Pentecost still fell on Sunday in 33 AD, the year Jesus was crucified!!!
oThose who say Jesus was crucified on a Thursday or Wednesday cannot absolutely guarantee that first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday because they must use a different year (ie. 30 AD) in which Nisan 14 would not fall on a Friday.

B. Passover the type of Christ’s crucifixion
1.Friday: Exodus = Passover meal = Christ crucified type of the crucifixion day Nisan 14

C. Wave/ sheaf/ first fruits the type of Christ’s resurrection
1.1 Cor 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
2.Sunday: First fruits = Christ raised (the Omer, or day of first fruits, a clear type of the resurrection day, but not a Sabbath day!) Lev 23:10-12
3.The Israelites were instructed to be ready to leave Egypt at daybreak on the 15th (morning of the 15th). (Ex 12:1-13) They then traveled day and night for the next few days first to Etham and then to Pi Hahiroth where they encamped by the sea. (Ex 13:20-14:2) After the Egyptians appeared, the Lord parted the Red Sea all that night (Ex 14:21) from which the Israelites emerged on the other side as the day was dawning and at which time the sea covered the Egyptians. (Ex 14:27) This event is a shadow of the fulfillment of the day of First Fruits. Therefore the people of Israel were “saved” by coming through the Red Sea on the same day of the year and same time of day that Jesus rose from the dead as the “savior” of all who will turn to him–Nisan 17, before dawn.
http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm#III

Yeshua is the first fruit of the New Creation. The number 8 is the number of the circumcision and means “New Beginnings”.
The eigth day is a Sunday anyway you cut it.

To harmonize all scriptures you have to take all scriptures and compare them and weave them together without contradiction.

If you hold to your doctrine then you have contradictions.

Blessings.  

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,08:54)

“Sunday” is named after the Sun god.  The entire Roman calander is named after pagen dieties! YHWH's good day is called the 1st day as are all the days of the week named for their place in the week, except for the Sabbath, which means rest day!

laurel

Oh I see. Then what is all the talk about Wednesday and thursday and friday and saturday?

So when you are at work you dont use the word wednesday because it is of the roman calender?

Who cares what god someone named it after. Is it idol worship for someone to say I worship on Saturday or Sunday, which ever the case may be?

This is the kind of stuff that gets men all wrapped up in legalism and bondage.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 30 2007,07:44)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,07:10) Jodi You said… Quote I don't care about the RCC and there made up Sabbath. Even if Jesus were to be raised on Sunday, I don't see how that gives them the right to change it. I agree with you. Most Christians may see Sunday as a day of celebration and worship as every day should be. But I dont see where most say that Sunday is the new Sabbath. Sunday worship is not the Christian Sabbath. It seems because of the RCC there are so many afraid to call sunday a time of worship or gathering because of fear of what the RCC said. The NT saints gathered together every day. One here even calls Sunday the day of the sun-god. Well no day belongs to a sun-god. David said…”this is the day that the Lord has made”, so all days are Gods and we should worship him everyday. Whos cares what the RCC says. Very good points WJ! I caught that comment before,  'no day belongs to a sun-god', I think you were talking to Laurel. All days are the Lord's Days! You could not be more right about people being afraid. People talking about not putting candles on a cake, and things like that, worrying about certain things pagans did. Pagans probably brought flowers into their home as a form of worship to their gods. So we might as well not do that either. Absurdity.

Jodi

How true!

[Worshipping Jesus]

STT

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Yes, the walk to Emmaus was on Sunday, but it is a misunderstanding and mistranslation that Sunday was the third day since the crucifixion… The Greek word for “since” after “the third day” in Luke 24:21 actually means “away from”. Away from is the same as our “after”. Yeshua died late on a Wednesday afternoon and was laid in the grave at sundown on Wednesday as Thursday was beginning. He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights on Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday night and Thursday day, Friday day, and Saturday day using our reckoning of days and nights. He rose as the Sabbath was ending. So He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights and rose after 3 days and 3 nights while the Sabbath was ending. So He rose on the third day. Sunday is therefore the 4th day. The actual literal Greek translation of Luke 24:21 is:

You disagree with every major translation on the words “the Third day since”.

KJV Luke 24:21
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
King James Version 1611, 1769

NKJV – Luk 24:21 – “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NLT – Luk 24:21 – We had thought he was the Messiah who had come to rescue Israel. That all happened three days ago.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
 
NIV – Luk 24:21 – but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

ESV – Luk 24:21 – “But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.
The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles

NASB – Luk 24:21 – “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation

RSV – Luk 24:21 – But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since this happened.
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.

ASV – Luk 24:21 – But we hoped that it was he who should redeem Israel. Yea and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things came to pass.
American Standard Version 1901 Info

Young – Luk 24:21 – and we were hoping that he it is who is about to redeem Israel, and also with all these things, this third day is passing to-day, since these things happened.
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

Darby – Luk 24:21 – But *we* had hoped that *he* was the one who is about to redeem Israel. But then, besides all these things, it is now, to-day, the third day since these things took place.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

Webster – Luk 24:21 – But we trusted that it had been he who would have redeemed Israel: and besides all this, to-day is the third day since these things were done.
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

HNV – Luk 24:21 – But we were hoping that it was he who would redeem Yisra'el. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.

There is not even a “footnote to support your interpretation of the words “third day since”

The greek word for “third” is  “tritos” which means; the “third” pure and simple.

Found 57 times in the NT and translated as such.

The greek word for “day” is “semeron”, which means;

1) this (very) day)

2) what has happened today, found 40 times in the NT and translated as such.

The greek word for “Since” is, “apo”, which means;

1) of separation

a) of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, …

b) of separation of a part from the whole

1) where of a whole some part is taken

c) of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

d) of a state of separation, that is of distance

1) physical, of distance of place

2) temporal, of distance of time

2) of origin

a) of the place whence anything is, comes, befalls, is taken

b) of origin of a cause

This definition in no way shows that they were saying “after the third day.

The definition is clearly from a particular point or origin of time.

All you have to do is read the context and it tells you from when the three days are counted from and it isnt wednsday.

Lk 24:7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
13 And, behold, two of them (which were present) went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem [about] threescore furlongs.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed [together] and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since (they have crucified him vrs 20) these things were done.

The WWC is in error.

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So He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights and rose after 3 days and 3 nights while the Sabbath was ending. So He rose on the third day. Sunday is therefore the 4th day.

No Sunday is the eigth day, New Beginnings, feast of first fruits Etc. Remember, Yeshua is our first fruits? God finished his work and rested, but now there is the beginning of a New Creation on the eigth day. Hello?

Is it after three days or is it on the third day?

See what I mean?

[Worshipping Jesus]

STT

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But surely also together with all these things, it brings a third day away from which all these things occurred. Translators take the cumbersome literal translation and make it flow , taking some liberty with it, but trying to retain accuracy. The 4th day is “away from” the third day. So it is apparent that the verse is literally saying they were walking and talking after the third day, which was Sunday. However, have other translators understood this point too? Yes, let's look at 3 of them. (Luke 24:21)

This is pure distortion which goes against 100s of scholars that translated it ” to day is the third day since these things were done.“

And today was the first day of the week.

If Yashua was crucified on Wednesday at three O'clock, then…

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,08:51)

Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 30 2007,07:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,07:10) Jodi You said… Quote I don't care about the RCC and there made up Sabbath. Even if Jesus were to be raised on Sunday, I don't see how that gives them the right to change it. I agree with you. Most Christians may see Sunday as a day of celebration and worship as every day should be. But I dont see where most say that Sunday is the new Sabbath. Sunday worship is not the Christian Sabbath. It seems because of the RCC there are so many afraid to call sunday a time of worship or gathering because of fear of what the RCC said. The NT saints gathered together every day. One here even calls Sunday the day of the sun-god. Well no day belongs to a sun-god. David said…”this is the day that the Lord has made”, so all days are Gods and we should worship him everyday. Whos cares what the RCC says. Very good points WJ! I caught that comment before,  'no day belongs to a sun-god', I think you were talking to Laurel. All days are the Lord's Days! You could not be more right about people being afraid. People talking about not putting candles on a cake, and things like that, worrying about certain things pagans did. Pagans probably brought flowers into their home as a form of worship to their gods. So we might as well not do that either. Absurdity. It's too bad that those Christian's who worship every single day of the week refuse to make the Sabbath day their day of rest.  YHWH commanded it, and it stands.  He does not change to suit you, we change to suit Him. If you do not agree to this “New Covenant” so be it. Laurel ps. If they really were worshiping Him every single day then when would they get their work done or pay bills? YHWH is not the author of confusion. 1Co 14:33  For Elohim is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblys of the set-apart ones.

laurel

Eph 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Are you saying you cant worship him in Spirit and in truth any time, at work or when ever?

On the Sabbath do you worship all day and do nothing else?

You quote…

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1Co 14:33  For Elohim is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblys of the set-apart ones. laurel

Elohim?

[kejonn]

Sorry to interrupt folks but something wild just occured to me. I started a thread on my new board about the “sign of Jonah” and I have this theory going. Check out this thread on my fledgling board. Any feedback would be welcome.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 30 2007,14:01)

Sorry to interrupt folks but something wild just occured to me. I started a thread on my new board about the “sign of Jonah” and I have this theory going. Check out this thread on my fledgling board. Any feedback would be welcome.

kejonn

I like your sight.

Simple, looks like it will be easy to navigate and easy on the eyes.

I like your points about Jonah also.

There is some questions about the length of his ministry, 3 years, 3 and one half years, there is also some questions about the year, 30CE or 33CE of his death.

Definatly worth more study,

Blessings to you!  

[IM4Truth]

Kejonn I also took a look, I like it so far. But I don't like your Aviator. Jesus did not have long Hair. It's not Bibical. Even so in the world Jesus always has long Hair, but I do not think that He did.
Nice Job otherwise.
Peace and Love Mrs.

[Laurel]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,09:20)

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,08:54) “Sunday” is named after the Sun god.  The entire Roman calander is named after pagen dieties! YHWH's good day is called the 1st day as are all the days of the week named for their place in the week, except for the Sabbath, which means rest day! laurel Oh I see. Then what is all the talk about Wednesday and thursday and friday and saturday? So when you are at work you dont use the word wednesday because it is of the roman calender? Who cares what god someone named it after. Is it idol worship for someone to say I worship on Saturday or Sunday, which ever the case may be? This is the kind of stuff that gets men all wrapped up in legalism and bondage.

Your definition of legalisim is backward. It is only considered legalisim if it conflicts with the Truth.

You know the USA has over 4 million laws for it's citizens to obey? That is legalisim!!!

[Proclaimer]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 30 2007,18:17)

Kejonn I also took a look, I like it so far. But I don't like your Aviator. Jesus did not have long Hair. It's not Bibical. Even so in the world Jesus always has long Hair, but I do not think that He did. Nice Job otherwise. Peace and Love Mrs.

I am not sure that they had barbers or hairdressers in abundance like we have today.

[kenrch]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 30 2007,18:17)

Kejonn I also took a look, I like it so far. But I don't like your Aviator. Jesus did not have long Hair. It's not Bibical. Even so in the world Jesus always has long Hair, but I do not think that He did. Nice Job otherwise. Peace and Love Mrs.

OH! Come on Mrs Jesus had long VERY light brown hair and BLUE eyes! No wonder Tow doesn't think Jesus was a Jew, or does he? Hum?

[Jodi]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,08:51)

Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 30 2007,07:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,07:10) Jodi You said… Quote I don't care about the RCC and there made up Sabbath. Even if Jesus were to be raised on Sunday, I don't see how that gives them the right to change it. I agree with you. Most Christians may see Sunday as a day of celebration and worship as every day should be. But I dont see where most say that Sunday is the new Sabbath. Sunday worship is not the Christian Sabbath. It seems because of the RCC there are so many afraid to call sunday a time of worship or gathering because of fear of what the RCC said. The NT saints gathered together every day. One here even calls Sunday the day of the sun-god. Well no day belongs to a sun-god. David said…”this is the day that the Lord has made”, so all days are Gods and we should worship him everyday. Whos cares what the RCC says. Very good points WJ! I caught that comment before, 'no day belongs to a sun-god', I think you were talking to Laurel. All days are the Lord's Days! You could not be more right about people being afraid. People talking about not putting candles on a cake, and things like that, worrying about certain things pagans did. Pagans probably brought flowers into their home as a form of worship to their gods. So we might as well not do that either. Absurdity. It's too bad that those Christian's who worship every single day of the week refuse to make the Sabbath day their day of rest. YHWH commanded it, and it stands. He does not change to suit you, we change to suit Him. If you do not agree to this “New Covenant” so be it. Laurel ps. If they really were worshiping Him every single day then when would they get their work done or pay bills? YHWH is not the author of confusion. 1Co 14:33 For Elohim is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblys of the set-apart ones.

Laurel,

'New Covenant' Why did God need a new one? Did He not establish a new one for us becasue the first one was not working?

Now I believe we must change our ways of selfishness and wanting to follow our own will to be able to suit God. However, God did make a change with His covenant because the first one was weak and useless.

Hebrews 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come–one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, THERE MUST ALSO BE A CHANGE OF THE LAW.

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

EVERY DAY IS FOR YHWH!!

Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; teach and admonish one another in all wisdom; and with gratitude in your hearts sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs to God. 17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

23 Whatever your task, put yourselves into it, as done for the Lord and not for your masters, 24 since you know that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you serve the Lord Christ.

Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

Why is this, what makes this possible, that a person could treat every day alike FOR THE LORD, well because-

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

The Israelites had to be TOLD when to worship, how to worship and where to worship. This did not create what God intended, which was for them to love and respect Him, instead it served to be weak and useless. However Jesus, who worshipped, fellowshipped and preached EVERYDAY, served to be the ultimate tutor for in him we have indeed learned how to love and respect YHWH. This is why we are free to worship, fellowship and teach one day a week or everyday a week. Whatever works best for us. For it is the HEART of the commandment, not the letter of the commandment. I am sorry Laurel that you do not understand what that means.

The heart of a commandment is the purpose it was to bring forth.

By telling us don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, it was keeping the Israelites to obey the golden rule.

By instituting the Sabbath, God was through appointing rest time trying to get the Israelites to love and respect Him. It was actually first instituted to teach TRUST.

If you follow the golden rule you don't need to be told not to steal, lie or murder, do you. I think not.

If you love and respect God, you don't need to be told when, where and how to worship God, do you. I think not.

Being a stay at home mom, I have the opportunity to worship everyday. Even when I am doing my work, sweeping, mopping, cooking my mind is still free and able to be thanking the Lord and thinking about Him.

Other people who have to work a job that requires their mind to be set on other things besides the Lord, most certainly need a day set aside for Him.

God appreciates and loves equally the one who gives everyday and the one who sets aside just one, because it is a matter of the HEART and not the LETTER.

I keep the heart, the Spirit of the 4th commandment, which is to take time to rest and worship the Lord.

I do not follow the LETTER of the commandment which we all know is 6 days work and the 7th rest.

Oops, sorry to get so off topic

God may not be an author of confusion, but He certainly like to create confusion.

Ge 11:7 “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech.”

[IM4Truth]

t8 Did not Paul say that long Hair is a disgrace to a man and long Hair on a Woman a covering of glory.
1Corinth. 11:14 ” Does not even nature itself itself teach you that if a man ha long Hair, it is a dishonor to Him.'
verse 15 But if a Woman has long Hair it is a glory to her; for her long hair is given for a covering.

Peace and Love Mrs.

[kejonn]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 30 2007,12:44)

t8  Did not Paul say that long Hair is a disgrace to a man and long Hair on a Woman a covering of glory. 1Corinth. 11:14 ” Does not even nature itself itself teach you that if a man ha long Hair, it is a dishonor to Him.' verse 15 But if a Woman has long Hair it is a glory to her; for her long hair is given for a covering. Peace and Love Mrs.

Depends, maybe Yeshua made a vow of nazir (Nazirite)  .

Num 6:1  ADONAI said to Moshe,
Num 6:2  “Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI;
Num 6:3  he is to abstain from wine and other intoxicating liquor, he is not to drink vinegar from either source, he is not to drink grape juice, and he is not to eat grapes or raisins.
Num 6:4  As long as he remains a nazir he is to eat nothing derived from the grapevine, not even the grape-skins or the seeds.
Num 6:5  “'Throughout the period of his vow as a nazir, he is not to shave his head. Until the end of the time for which he has consecrated himself to ADONAI he is to be holy: he is to let the hair on his head grow long.

Anyway my avatar is not me, its just one I picked because it looked like a crazy guy. Just a funny avatar.

But then again, Jesus drank wine so I guess he didn't made a nazir vow!

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