Three days and three nights

[kenrch]

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Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,10:37) Luke 22:13 The “Passover ” they were making ready was Y'shua! Say huh? Did they roast Jesus over a fire and eat him with bitter herbs? ======================================== Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: Exo 12:4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. Exo 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Exo 12:9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. Exo 12:10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. ======================================== According to the command, Jesus could not have been the Passover lamb. He was (1) not killed by Israelites but by Gentiles (2) His blood was not spread on the doorposts (neither was his symbolic blood done this way) (3) he was not roast with fire and served with unleavened bread and bitter herbs (4) his body was in the tomb (or somewhere else who knows) so all of him remained until the morning. Quote Luke 22:14 And when He was prepared, He sat down with His taught ones. A roasted dead guy can talk? He was a miracle worker! Quote Luke 22:15 (Now He begins to share His New Covenant) Yes it was certainly his because YHVH would have nothing to do with the drinking of blood, symbolic or not. ======================================== Lev 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood. Lev 7:26 Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, whether it be of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings. Lev 17:12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. Deu 12:16 Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water. Deu 12:23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh. Deu 15:23 Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water. 1Sa 14:32 And the people flew upon the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and slew them on the ground: and the people did eat them with the blood. 1Sa 14:33 Then they told Saul, saying, Behold, the people sin against the LORD, in that they eat with the blood. And he said, Ye have transgressed: roll a great stone unto me this day. 1Sa 14:34 And Saul said, Disperse yourselves among the people, and say unto them, Bring me hither every man his ox, and every man his sheep, and slay them here, and eat; and sin not against the LORD in eating with the blood. And all the people brought every man his ox with him that night, and slew them there. Eze 33:25 Wherefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Ye eat with the blood, and lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shed blood: and shall ye possess the land? ======================================== Seems YHVH is pretty serious about NOT ingesting blood. If Jesus was the son of YHVH he just slapped his father in the face with his new covenant. Quote As for eating the Passover, it is not that they eat the literal body, He says (the Unleavened Bread is representative of His body!) As for circimcision of the flesh, it represents how much faith is necessary to circumcise the hearts of men. And for the men who were circimcised as adults, what a committment they showed to YHWH!! As for the sacrificial lamb's blood on the door posts of the homes in Egypt, is representative of the sacrifice of Y'shua and belief in His sacrifice knowing that He laid down His life to save us, and YHWH's Torah is written on our head between the frontlets of our mind and in the works we do (on the hand). YHWH's mark. YHWH teaches us things about Himself, through physical examples, thus the marriage covenant. Christianity is symbolic cannibalism, plain and simple. Since Catholics for years believed that the wafer and wine turned into Jesus' flesh and blood, they were outright cannibals!

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Say huh? Did they roast Jesus over a fire and eat him with bitter herbs?

Gee that's nice! Hows that for showing respect for YOUR Saviour, t8?!

[IM4Truth]

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Jodi..I'm a bit confused on what you said.. 1) You said Yeshua was buried on Friday and was resurrected a couple of hours after that on the sabbath? (HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS CONCLUSION?) 2)You also said “As far as the two Sabbaths as you can see I am coming to believe that they were back to back. “  WHAT DOES THIS MEAN DO You believe……. Yeshua died on Friday, which was a Sabbath? Then the next day is the weekly Sabbath? 3) YOU SAID:  Friday- Sabbath Day of Feast of Unleavened Bread–Crucified/ Died around 3PM/ Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset. so you believe FRIDAY as the DAY of the Unleavened bread-The Sabbath(do you have a verse to back this up?) IF THIS IS TRUE then you're CONTRADICTING the scriptures LUKE 23:54 When Joseph went to get the body of Yeshua           “AND IT WAS THE PREPARATION DAY AND THE SABBATH WAS ABOUT TO BEGIN.” Yeshua died on the PREPARATION DAY, NOT the FIRST DAY of Unleavened Bread as you claim. YOU SAID: “Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset” DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS? If you do, then DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT  Yeshua said. Yeshua himself said after he was already RESURRECTED in Luke24:46 ” THUS IT IS WRITTEN, THAT THE CHRIST SHOULD SUFFER AND RISE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD THE [THIRD](NOT ONE OR 2 OR A COUPLE OF HOURS ONLY) DAY. I can't understand how people confess they believe in Christ and his resurrection on the 3rd day, and NOT LITERALLY ACCEPT HIS WORD. Even Yeshua knows how many hours is on a day, so wouldn't you think  he also know how LONG 3 days and 3 nights is?……….John11: 9 Jesus answered, “ARE THERE NOT 12 HOURS OF DAYLIGHT? Those who walk in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world's light.” Jodi if you BELIEVE that Yeshua healed the sick raised the dead like Lazarus who was dead 4 DAYS, then how could you not literally take Yeshua own word that he too will be dead for 3 days?..Don't you believe God preserved his body IN THOSES 3 DAYS, JUST LIKE JONAH WAS ALIVE IN THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?(really who can actually survive in the whale..only by FAITH)..Look at Lazarus who was dead for FOUR DAYS HE STINKED, HE  PROBABLY STARTED TO DECAY, BUT YET Yeshua raised him and afterwards THEY ATE SUPPER TOGETHER..I'm assuming Lazarus digestive system was just fine. Anyhow the fact is if certain things don't fit well with the scriptures, we have to dismiss it. assumptions are just that until proven to be true. It's why I love this verse in Isaiah 28:9-10…. Whom will He teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? For PRECEPT MUST BE UPON PRECEPT, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little. We can only prove scriptures upon scriptures. I know certain scriptures are added in the bible over the years, therefore I believe Yaweh inspired Isaiah to write this. Anyhow Jodi, scriptures are there for us to prove all things, but we need to lay aside  our own assumption before Yaweh's spirit can reveal these things to us, (little by little) It's amazing though when Yaweh opens the eyes of the true worshippers, they speak the same language. I find a connection with Laurel with it comes to this subject. This only confirms Yaweh revealed this not man. Anyhow blessings to you on your journey in finding the truth, don't lose faith…

seeking truth  Thank you because I believe that you are right. We were also in the W.W.C. of God for 10 years. My Husband was 47 and I was 46 when we became members. We kept all the feast. The Passover always was on the 14 of Nissan and the Days of Unleavened Bread started on the 15 Day of Nissan, which is Thursday. The first day is a High Day and a annual Sabbath day. Jesus died on the 14 at 3:00 P.M. they had to hurry up and had to ask for permission to bury Jesus before Sundown That is why the Soldier pierced Jesus side to make sure that He was dead. Jesus resurrection took place 3 nights and 3 days later. If you count that up it brings you to Saturday at 3:00 P.M. Nobody checked until Maria and Maria Magdalene came to the grave on Sunday Morning, But He had already risen. But that does not mean that He rose on Sunday. I still belief that this is the way it happened. It goes along what Laurel is saying and what you are saying. If some scripture contradict, we all know that the translator's did make mistakes. This makes the most sense. You will not get 3 days and 3 nights out of a Friday dead and Sunday resurrection, just another Pagan Idea. We have the Catholic Church and Cconstantine to thank for that.

Peace and Love Mrs.

[kenrch]

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Quote (seeking the truth @ Nov. 28 2007,11:52) Jodi..I'm a bit confused on what you said.. 1) You said Yeshua was buried on Friday and was resurrected a couple of hours after that on the sabbath? (HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS CONCLUSION?) 2)You also said “As far as the two Sabbaths as you can see I am coming to believe that they were back to back. “ WHAT DOES THIS MEAN DO You believe……. Yeshua died on Friday, which was a Sabbath? Then the next day is the weekly Sabbath? 3) YOU SAID: Friday- Sabbath Day of Feast of Unleavened Bread–Crucified/ Died around 3PM/ Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset. so you believe FRIDAY as the DAY of the Unleavened bread-The Sabbath(do you have a verse to back this up?) IF THIS IS TRUE then you're CONTRADICTING the scriptures LUKE 23:54 When Joseph went to get the body of Yeshua “AND IT WAS THE PREPARATION DAY AND THE SABBATH WAS ABOUT TO BEGIN.” Yeshua died on the PREPARATION DAY, NOT the FIRST DAY of Unleavened Bread as you claim. YOU SAID: “Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset” DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS? If you do, then DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT Yeshua said. Yeshua himself said after he was already RESURRECTED in Luke24:46 ” THUS IT IS WRITTEN, THAT THE CHRIST SHOULD SUFFER AND RISE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD THE [THIRD](NOT ONE OR 2 OR A COUPLE OF HOURS ONLY) DAY. I can't understand how people confess they believe in Christ and his resurrection on the 3rd day, and NOT LITERALLY ACCEPT HIS WORD. Even Yeshua knows how many hours is on a day, so wouldn't you think he also know how LONG 3 days and 3 nights is?……….John11: 9 Jesus answered, “ARE THERE NOT 12 HOURS OF DAYLIGHT? Those who walk in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world's light.” Jodi if you BELIEVE that Yeshua healed the sick raised the dead like Lazarus who was dead 4 DAYS, then how could you not literally take Yeshua own word that he too will be dead for 3 days?..Don't you believe God preserved his body IN THOSES 3 DAYS, JUST LIKE JONAH WAS ALIVE IN THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?(really who can actually survive in the whale..only by FAITH)..Look at Lazarus who was dead for FOUR DAYS HE STINKED, HE PROBABLY STARTED TO DECAY, BUT YET Yeshua raised him and afterwards THEY ATE SUPPER TOGETHER..I'm assuming Lazarus digestive system was just fine. Anyhow the fact is if certain things don't fit well with the scriptures, we have to dismiss it. assumptions are just that until proven to be true. It's why I love this verse in Isaiah 28:9-10…. Whom will He teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? For PRECEPT MUST BE UPON PRECEPT, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little. We can only prove scriptures upon scriptures. I know certain scriptures are added in the bible over the years, therefore I believe Yaweh inspired Isaiah to write this. Anyhow Jodi, scriptures are there for us to prove all things, but we need to lay aside our own assumption before Yaweh's spirit can reveal these things to us, (little by little) It's amazing though when Yaweh opens the eyes of the true worshippers, they speak the same language. I find a connection with Laurel with it comes to this subject. This only confirms Yaweh revealed this not man. Anyhow blessings to you on your journey in finding the truth, don't lose faith… seeking truth Thank you because I believe that you are right. We were also in the W.W.C. of God for 10 years. My Husband was 47 and I was 46 when we became members. We kept all the feast. The Passover always was on the 14 of Nissan and the Days of Unleavened Bread started on the 15 Day of Nissan, which is Thursday. The first day is a High Day and a annual Sabbath day. Jesus died on the 14 at 3:00 P.M. they had to hurry up and had to ask for permission to bury Jesus before Sundown That is why the Soldier pierced Jesus side to make sure that He was dead. Jesus resurrection took place 3 nights and 3 days later. If you count that up it brings you to Saturday at 3:00 P.M. Nobody checked until Maria and Maria Magdalene came to the grave on Sunday Morning, But He had already risen. But that does not mean that He rose on Sunday. I still belief that this is the way it happened. It goes along what Laurel is saying and what you are saying. If some scripture contradict, we all know that the translator's did make mistakes. This makes the most sense. You will not get 3 days and 3 nights out of a Friday dead and Sunday resurrection, just another Pagan Idea. We have the Catholic Church and Cconstantine to thank for that. Peace and Love Mrs.

It couldn't be simpler. Either that or Jesus is a liar!

[Towshab]

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 27 2007,19:37)

Gee that's nice! Hows that for showing respect for YOUR Saviour, t8?!

Hey it was Laurel who said that they were preparing Jesus as the Passover lamb not me. That is how you prepare it.

[942767]

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Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2007,03:37) Luke 22:13 The “Passover ” they were making ready was Y'shua! So what exactly were they doing to make Y'shua ready for the meal? Were they seasoning him with salt? Thank you for all your explanation Laurel. But the scriptures to me don’t seem to be reflecting what you are saying. Mar 14:12  And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the Passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Luk 22:7  Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. The scriptures clearly seem to be saying that Y’shua and the disciples kept the TRUE Passover on the 14th and that is the night that he was captured, making the DAY he was crucified the 15th, the Sabbath day for the Feast.  Now since the day was also being called the preparation day, that must mean it was the Friday before the Saturday Passover Sabbath. What I don’t see is any indication that Y’shua and the disciples were keeping a pre-Passover and treating it like it was the real thing. If the original lambs were slaughtered at twilight on the 14th, that is at the beginning of the 15th  according to the Israelites. Therefore if Y’shua died on the 15th around 3PM, he was then killed the same day as the lambs were slaughtered. If Jesus died on the 14th at 3PM then that would NOT be the same day as the lambs were originally killed! I find it interesting that some like to cling to the part of Y’shua being like Jonah three days and three nights literally, but not the part of Jonah being alive those three days and three nights.   Truly lets ask ourselves the SIGNIFICANCE OF ‘three days and three nights’. What MEANING IS THERE? There is no significance in three days and three nights, it could have just as well been two days and two nights, or five days and five nights. When Y’shua said he would be like Jonah, I don’t think what he meant for us to take from it was TIME. We were to take in what Jonah learned and what God accomplished in him those three days and three nights. What did Y’shua take in those days and nights in the grave? What did God accomplish in him, except giving his body supernatural powers not to decay? The bible does tell us the significance of Y’shua’s struggle during the three days and three nights he was in the “heart of the earth” Hebrews 5:8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered;  9 and having been made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him, Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire–head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat–that is all you may do. 17 “Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day. 29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. 31 During the night Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Up! Leave my people, you and the Israelites! Go, worship the Lord as you have requested. 32 Take your flocks and herds, as you have said, and go. And also bless me.” 33 The Egyptians urged the people to hurry and leave the country. “For otherwise,” they said, “we will all die!” 34 So the people took their dough before the yeast was added, and carried it on their shoulders in kneading troughs wrapped in clothing. 42 Because the Lord kept vigil that night to bring them out of Egypt, on this night all the Israelites are to keep vigil to honor the Lord for the generations to come. Leviticus 23:4 “'These are the Lord's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present an offering made to the Lord by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.'” I will agree with you Seeking the Truth that God works in Patterns. However if you are going to argue that Y’shua had to die on the 14th as did the lambs (which actually you are wrong about as I pointed out earlier) then why not then believe that he was set free from death that night/or we could say early on the 15th, because that is when the Israelites were set free, if indeed Christ had to fulfill everything according to scripture! According to scripture the Israelites did not have to wait three days and three nights until they were freed! According to the biology references I checked they all said that the decay process of a human body occurs right after death. Within 4 minutes of death a body begins to undergo self digestion amongst other things. The Passover meal unlike you said, Seeking Truth, according to scripture is eaten the evening before the 15th. —————————————- Tuesday– Y’shua initial betrayal that night Matthew 26:1 When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2 “As you know, the Passover is two days away–and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.” 3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4 and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. Matthew 26:6 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. 8 When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. 9 “This perfume could have been sold at a h igh price and the money given to the poor.” 10 Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. 12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13 I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” 14 Then one of the Twelve–the one called Judas Iscariot–went to the chief priests 15 and asked, “What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. Luke 4:38 Jesus left the synagogue and went to the home of Simon. Now Simon's mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever, and they asked Jesus to help her. 39 So he bent over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. She got up at once and began to wait on them. 40 When the sun was setting, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them. Wednesday– Thursday– Preparation day for Feast of Unleavened Bread/ Evening Passover kept by Y’shua and disciples/ Y’shua went and prayed, like Jonah had prayed in the fish/ Y’shua captured. Friday– Sabbath Day of Feast of Unleavened Bread–Crucified/ Died around 3PM/ Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset. This keeps with the Pattern of Jonah making Y’shua trapped, it equals a three day and three night time period, and as well it follows closely with the original Passover, where Y’shua dies the same day as the lambs were slaughtered and he was set free the same time the Israelites were set free! Moreover it makes Y’shua to have been risen on the Sabbath!!

Hi Jodi:

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.

I just have a couple of questions so that I might understand this.

You say:

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The Passover meal unlike you said, Seeking Truth, according to scripture is eaten the evening before the 15th.

If the lambs were slaughtered at twilight on the 14th, would not the passover meal be eaten on the evening of the 15th since the day starts at 6PM?

I agree that three days and nights in the heart of the earth cannot mean three days and nights in the grave, but Jesus was already there when he was praying:

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22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove F50 this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Also, the scripture that Tow mentioned John 18:28 happened on the night of the 15th that is after 6PM since the Jews that delivered him to the hall of judgment did not want to “defile themselves, but that they might eat the passover”.  Do you agree with this?

Please help me to see three days and nights out of all of this experience and when he arose from the dead.  I believe that you say that he arose on the evening of the Sabbath.

Thanks for your help and God Bless

[seeking the truth]

Glad to hear from you Mrs. what we believe only came from Yaweh, because it perfectly is in harmony with the scriptures. Yeshua died on the Preparation day NOT ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE UNLEAVEND BREAD..(15th) according to the scriptures and the laws of the Prohphets given by Yaweh.. Yeshua died EXACTLY how the Lamb was to die at the same exact time according to the scriptures. It should not be hard to believe this everything else the prophets said about him was true as being Christ the Messiah, the Son of God…

The Messiah would be preceded by a messenger
Isaiah 40:3 CROSS REFERECE TO Matthew 3:1-2

2. The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem
     Micah 5:2 CR  Matthew 2:1

3. The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah
   Gen 49:10 Luke 3:23-34 and Matt1:1-16

4. The Messiah would enter Jerusalem on a colt
     Zech 9:9 CR Luke 19:35-37

5. The Messiah would be betrayed by a friend
     Ps41:9 CR Matt 26:47-50

6. The Messiah would be sold for 30 pieces of silver
   Zec11:12 CR Matt 26:14-15

7. The Messiah would be spit upon and beaten
    Isaiah 50:6 CR Matthew 26:67-68

8. The Messiah would be wounded by His enemies
    Isa 53:5:CR Matt 27:26

9. The Messiah would be silent before His accusers
    Isa 53:7 CR Matt 27:12-14

10. The betrayal money thrown in the temple and given for a       potters field
    Zec 11:13 CR Matt 27:5-7

11. The Messiah would have his hands and feet pierced
      Ps 22:16 CR Jn 20:25 Luke 23:33

12. The Messiah would be crucified with thieves
      Is 53:12 CR Matthew 27:38

Does the accuracy of the “12 prophecies fulfilled by Yeshua” convince that HE truly is the Son of God? I would think so…

So if these Prophecy are true what are the odds of him fulfilling the ceromonial sabbaths of the OT as the “Lamb of God”?

Mrs..once again I'm so glad to hear from you and thank you for your reply, I'm glad to know Yaweh is also using you to spread the truth in these dark times where the church is “luke warm.”…Good night and God bless!

[charity]

Why do the Nations spend their Life, not seeing to their own pass over and rising, as a garden that refuses to grow, with hands polluted with blood, return to the lord he will heal the smitten, rise to Know if you shall go on, the great commisson

Hsa 6:1 ¶ Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hsa 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hsa 6:3 Then shall we know, [if] we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter [and] former rain unto the earth.
O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness [is] as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.
Therefore have I hewed [them] by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments [are as] the light [that] goeth forth.
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.
Gilead [is] a city of them that work iniquity, [and is] polluted with blood.

[IM4Truth]

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Glad to hear from you Mrs. what we believe only came from Yaweh, because it perfectly is in harmony with the scriptures. Yeshua died on the Preparation day NOT ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE UNLEAVEND BREAD..(15th) according to the scriptures and the laws of the Prohphets given by Yaweh.. Yeshua died EXACTLY how the Lamb was to die at the same exact time according to the scriptures. It should not be hard to believe this everything else the prophets said about him was true as being Christ the Messiah, the Son of God… The Messiah would be preceded by a messenger Isaiah 40:3 CROSS REFERECE TO Matthew 3:1-2 2. The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem      Micah 5:2 CR  Matthew 2:1 3. The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah    Gen 49:10 Luke 3:23-34 and Matt1:1-16 4. The Messiah would enter Jerusalem on a colt      Zech 9:9 CR Luke 19:35-37 5. The Messiah would be betrayed by a friend      Ps41:9 CR Matt 26:47-50 6. The Messiah would be sold for 30 pieces of silver    Zec11:12 CR Matt 26:14-15 7. The Messiah would be spit upon and beaten     Isaiah 50:6 CR Matthew 26:67-68 8. The Messiah would be wounded by His enemies     Isa 53:5:CR Matt 27:26 9. The Messiah would be silent before His accusers     Isa 53:7 CR Matt 27:12-14 10. The betrayal money thrown in the temple and given for a       potters field     Zec 11:13 CR Matt 27:5-7 11. The Messiah would have his hands and feet pierced       Ps 22:16 CR Jn 20:25 Luke 23:33 12. The Messiah would be crucified with thieves       Is 53:12 CR Matthew 27:38 Does the accuracy of the “12 prophecies fulfilled by Yeshua” convince that HE truly is the Son of God? I would think so… So if these Prophecy are true what are the odds of him fulfilling the ceromonial sabbaths of the OT as the “Lamb of God”? Mrs..once again I'm so glad to hear from you and thank you for your reply, I'm glad to know Yaweh is also using you to spread the truth in these dark times where the church is “luke warm.”…Good night and God bless!

Thank you seeking the truth, it is not always easy to say what your beliefs are. Being accused of all kinds of untruths makes it even harder. I came here mainly to fellowship and find myself defending my Faith now. I really would rather sing songs of Praise and Praise our Heavenly Father and rejoice in our beliefs together. But you can't do that when so many don't belief the same. So I appreciate your Post. Keep up the good work. I don't know how much longer I can do this. I am getting to sick. I have Arthritis in my fingers and they are swollen. Typing seems to irritate it even more. So I can't wait when God is going to give me a new Body. Waiting on God is not always easy. Thank you again.
With all my Love

Peace and Love Mrs.

[Jodi]

Quote (seeking the truth @ Nov. 28 2007,11:52)

Jodi..I'm a bit confused on what you said.. 1) You said Yeshua was buried on Friday and was resurrected a couple of hours after that on the sabbath? (HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS CONCLUSION?) 2)You also said “As far as the two Sabbaths as you can see I am coming to believe that they were back to back. “ WHAT DOES THIS MEAN DO You believe……. Yeshua died on Friday, which was a Sabbath? Then the next day is the weekly Sabbath? 3) YOU SAID: Friday- Sabbath Day of Feast of Unleavened Bread–Crucified/ Died around 3PM/ Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset. so you believe FRIDAY as the DAY of the Unleavened bread-The Sabbath(do you have a verse to back this up?) IF THIS IS TRUE then you're CONTRADICTING the scriptures LUKE 23:54 When Joseph went to get the body of Yeshua “AND IT WAS THE PREPARATION DAY AND THE SABBATH WAS ABOUT TO BEGIN.” Yeshua died on the PREPARATION DAY, NOT the FIRST DAY of Unleavened Bread as you claim. YOU SAID: “Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset” DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS? If you do, then DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT Yeshua said. Yeshua himself said after he was already RESURRECTED in Luke24:46 ” THUS IT IS WRITTEN, THAT THE CHRIST SHOULD SUFFER AND RISE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD THE [THIRD](NOT ONE OR 2 OR A COUPLE OF HOURS ONLY) DAY. I can't understand how people confess they believe in Christ and his resurrection on the 3rd day, and NOT LITERALLY ACCEPT HIS WORD. Even Yeshua knows how many hours is on a day, so wouldn't you think he also know how LONG 3 days and 3 nights is?……….John11: 9 Jesus answered, “ARE THERE NOT 12 HOURS OF DAYLIGHT? Those who walk in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world's light.” Jodi if you BELIEVE that Yeshua healed the sick raised the dead like Lazarus who was dead 4 DAYS, then how could you not literally take Yeshua own word that he too will be dead for 3 days?..Don't you believe God preserved his body IN THOSES 3 DAYS, JUST LIKE JONAH WAS ALIVE IN THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?(really who can actually survive in the whale..only by FAITH)..Look at Lazarus who was dead for FOUR DAYS HE STINKED, HE PROBABLY STARTED TO DECAY, BUT YET Yeshua raised him and afterwards THEY ATE SUPPER TOGETHER..I'm assuming Lazarus digestive system was just fine. Anyhow the fact is if certain things don't fit well with the scriptures, we have to dismiss it. assumptions are just that until proven to be true. It's why I love this verse in Isaiah 28:9-10…. Whom will He teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? For PRECEPT MUST BE UPON PRECEPT, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little. We can only prove scriptures upon scriptures. I know certain scriptures are added in the bible over the years, therefore I believe Yaweh inspired Isaiah to write this. Anyhow Jodi, scriptures are there for us to prove all things, but we need to lay aside our own assumption before Yaweh's spirit can reveal these things to us, (little by little) It's amazing though when Yaweh opens the eyes of the true worshippers, they speak the same language. I find a connection with Laurel with it comes to this subject. This only confirms Yaweh revealed this not man. Anyhow blessings to you on your journey in finding the truth, don't lose faith…

Jesus was taken into custody on the 14th

Matthew 26:17On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”

Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”

Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus F176 sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”

Seeking The Truth you say these scriptures represent a FALSE Passover, I don’t see that and am taking them for what they say-the Passover when the lamb is sacrificed, which is the 14th! That would make the next day he was Crucified, the Feast day of Unleavened Bread, which we know is a Holy Day. That day is also called a Preparation Day. That must mean that the day Jesus was crucified was on a Friday, making the annual Passover Sabbath and the weekly Sabbath back to back.

It just so happens that the first night he is in the tomb is exactly three days and three nights since Judas betrayed him. Since God did not want His Holy One to see corruption it makes sense to me that God would want him to be resurrected sooner than later.

As well I find it interesting that Jesus did not say he would be in the grave, but ‘in the heart of the earth’. The heart represents life, not death. It represents the center, not underfoot.

Matthew 17:22,23
Jesus said unto them, “The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men: And they shall kill Him, and the third day He shall be raised again.”

Matt. 20:18,19
“Behold we go up to Jerusalem: and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn Him to death. And shall deliver Him to the Nations to mock and scourge and to crucify Him; and the third day He shall rise again.”

What makes us so sure that it is on the third day from his death and not starting from his betrayal?

As I said previously, the issue is not whether or not a body can be restored and resurrected after any given period. Jesus was given God's powers to heal and resurrect and that is just what he did with Lazarus. With Jesus however, God did not want his body to decay like Lazarus' did. That is the issue. Lazarus was not preserved, Jesus had to restore him. God did not want to have to restore Jesus’ body!

Ac 2:31 Foreseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, “He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh experience corruption.

In all instances referring to Jesus body not experiencing corruption it was due to his RESURECTION, not from God preserving him in between his death and resurrection.
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942767 you said, “If the lambs were slaughtered at twilight on the 14th, would not the passover meal be eaten on the evening of the 15th since the day starts at 6PM?”

This is where I think things get confusing too.
I think your kinda right. I believe as we see here below that it is considered the evening of the 14th and not the evening of the 15th. Regardless however, the evening of the 14th is the Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.

18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day.

It would not make sense if Moses asked the Israelites to hold the lambs until the DAY of the 14th, but they were to kill them the night before.

You asked,” Also, the scripture that Tow mentioned John 18:28 happened on the night of the 15th that is after 6PM since the Jews that delivered him to the hall of judgment did not want to “defile themselves, but that they might eat the pass
over”. Do you agree with this?”

John 18:28 Then they took Jesus from Caiaphas to Pilate's headquarters. It was early in the morning. They themselves did not enter the headquarters, so as to avoid ritual defilement and to be able to eat the Passover.

And 19:14 Now it was the day of Preparation for the Passover; and it was about noon. He said to the Jews, “Here is your King!”

It seems as if there were two groups of people keeping the Passover on two different days. I am going to take Jesus’ Passover as the correct one verses the Leaders of the Jews, who seemed to be wrong about many things.
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Once again, Seeking The Truth,

You say that what you believe is in perfect harmony with the scriptures, and I would Greatly disagree.

How can you deny the scriptures that clearly show Jesus kept the true Passover and thus was taken into custody on the 14th.

As well, if Jesus were to fulfill scripture as you say, then wouldn't he need to die at twilight and not at 3PM. As well, wouldn't he need to be set free from the grave shortly after dieng, just like the Israelites were set free shortly after the firstborns died.

It seems you PICK and CHOOSE what Christ is suppose to fulfill to fit your doctrine, and are not holding to all scriptures.

I have mentioned these problems as well as some others previously and you seemed to have passed over them, I really wish you would address them, instead of ignoring them and then going on to CLAIM your way comes directly from YHWH, that's a matter of opinion now isn't it? What a coincidence, I too believe that I am a True Worshipper, however I am not so bold to say what I believe is the undeniable truth.

[charity]

Sooo…. when we get the truth of WHERE JESUS was every moment of the Passover, will we be free then?

Is this called following him?

Those who set snares, will be taken by there own deceit

If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down?
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

[Jodi]

Quote (charity @ Nov. 28 2007,15:53)

Sooo…. when we get the truth of WHERE JESUS was every moment of the Passover, will we be free then? Is this called following him? Those who set snares, will be taken by there own deceit If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

I couldn't agree with you more Charity

These are details that I find fun to debate. Following Jesus correctly has nothing to do with what DAY you believed he died and what day you believe he rose. What is important is that we believe that he did indeed rise, which the majority of us here do believe so and thus are at least united in that!

Peace and Blessings to all, Jodi

[Laurel]

Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 28 2007,12:07)

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,10:37) Luke 22:13 The “Passover ” they were making ready was Y'shua! Say huh? Did they roast Jesus over a fire and eat him with bitter herbs? ======================================== Exo 12:3  Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: Exo 12:4  And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. Exo 12:5  Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: Exo 12:6  And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. Exo 12:7  And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. Exo 12:8  And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Exo 12:9  Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. Exo 12:10  And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. ======================================== According to the command, Jesus could not have been the Passover lamb. He was (1) not killed by Israelites but by Gentiles (2) His blood was not spread on the doorposts (neither was his symbolic blood done this way) (3) he was not roast with fire and served with unleavened bread and bitter herbs (4) his body was in the tomb (or somewhere else who knows) so all of him remained until the morning. Quote Luke 22:14  And when He was prepared, He sat down with His taught ones. A roasted dead guy can talk? He was a miracle worker! Quote Luke 22:15 (Now He begins to share His New Covenant) Yes it was certainly his because YHVH would have nothing to do with the drinking of blood, symbolic or not. ======================================== Lev 3:17  It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood. Lev 7:26  Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, whether it be of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings. Lev 17:12  Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. Deu 12:16  Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water. Deu 12:23  Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh. Deu 15:23  Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water. 1Sa 14:32  And the people flew upon the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and slew them on the ground: and the people did eat them with the blood. 1Sa 14:33  Then they told Saul, saying, Behold, the people sin against the LORD, in that they eat with the blood. And he said, Ye have transgressed: roll a great stone unto me this day. 1Sa 14:34  And Saul said, Disperse yourselves among the people, and say unto them, Bring me hither every man his ox, and every man his sheep, and slay them here, and eat; and sin not against the LORD in eating with the blood. And all the people brought every man his ox with him that night, and slew them there. Eze 33:25  Wherefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Ye eat with the blood, and lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shed blood: and shall ye possess the land? ======================================== Seems YHVH is pretty serious about NOT ingesting blood. If Jesus was the son of YHVH he just slapped his father in the face with his new covenant. Quote As for eating the Passover, it is not that they eat the literal body, He says (the Unleavened Bread is representative of His body!) As for circimcision of the flesh, it represents how much faith is necessary to circumcise the hearts of men.  And for the men who were circimcised as adults, what a committment they showed to YHWH!! As for the sacrificial lamb's blood on the door posts of the homes in Egypt, is representative of the sacrifice of Y'shua and belief in His sacrifice knowing that He laid down His life to save us, and YHWH's Torah is written on our head between the frontlets of our mind and in the works we do (on the hand).  YHWH's mark. YHWH teaches us things about Himself, through physical examples, thus the marriage covenant. Christianity is symbolic cannibalism, plain and simple. Since Catholics for years believed that the wafer and wine turned into Jesus' flesh and blood, they were outright cannibals!

You people who talk like this are perverse!

[Laurel]

There is enough here for a child to see the truth!

If anyone just dosen't get it yet, read the Torah. Follow Messiah.

If you can't see this then you have “NO PROOF” that Y'shua is the Messiah and come time, you will crumble when Satan tries you. You will stumble and you will fall into the pit!

HIS ONLY SIGN!!!

[IM4Truth]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2007,18:20)

There is enough here for a child to see the truth! If anyone just dosen't get it yet, read the Torah.  Follow Messiah. If you can't see this then you have “NO PROOF” that Y'shua is the Messiah and come time, you will crumble when Satan tries you.  You will stumble and you will fall into the pit! HIS ONLY SIGN!!!

Laurel  You are right, those that can't understand what the sign is and can't count, we will have to pray for. For that I ask you to do, in Jesus name I do this.

Peace and Love Mrs.

[942767]

Hi All:

Thanks, Jodi for all your work of this subject.  I don't know if this has been realized already or not and I don't have time to read all of the posts, but what I am seeing is that the meal that Jesus had with the disciples was on the night of the 14th. That is at 6PM at the beginning of the 14th. That was the day when the lambs for the passover were to be killed.  I was reading this as if the passover lambs were already killed and they were having lamb at that supper but this is not the case.  Try reading this from this perspective and I believe we will have the truth.

God Bless

[kenrch]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 29 2007,00:40)

Hi All: Thanks, Jodi for all your work of this subject. I don't know if this has been realized already or not and I don't have time to read all of the posts, but what I am seeing is that the meal that Jesus had with the disciples was on the night of the 14th. That was the day that the lambs for the passover were to be killed. I was reading this as if the passover lambs were already killed and the were having lamb at that supper but not this is not the case. Try reading this from this perspective and I believe that we will have the truth. God Bless

That's the way I understand it. The Passover starts at Dawn, at night. Jesus was crucified the second half of the Passover during the Day. So the last supper was at the beginning of the Passover.

In these end times our faith WILL BE TRIED more and more. While the truth opens our “spiritual” eyes more the fact is what matters is the Keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus, 1Cor. 7:19; Rev. 14:12.

[942767]

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 29 2007,01:00)

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 29 2007,00:40) Hi All: Thanks, Jodi for all your work of this subject.  I don't know if this has been realized already or not and I don't have time to read all of the posts, but what I am seeing is that the meal that Jesus had with the disciples was on the night of the 14th.  That was the day that the lambs for the passover were to be killed.  I was reading this as if the passover lambs were already killed and the were having lamb at that supper but not this is not the case.  Try reading this from this perspective and I believe that we will have the truth. God Bless That's the way I understand it.  The Passover starts at Dawn, at night.  Jesus was crucified the second half of the Passover during the Day.  So the last supper was at the beginning of the Passover. In these end times our faith WILL BE TRIED more and more.  While the truth opens our “spiritual” eyes more the fact is what matters is the Keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus, 1Cor. 7:19; Rev. 14:12.

Hi Ken:

I added a little to my post for clarification purposes after you posted your response to me. I believe that we are on one accord.

God Bless

[kenrch]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 29 2007,01:16)

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 29 2007,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 29 2007,00:40) Hi All: Thanks, Jodi for all your work of this subject. I don't know if this has been realized already or not and I don't have time to read all of the posts, but what I am seeing is that the meal that Jesus had with the disciples was on the night of the 14th. That was the day that the lambs for the passover were to be killed. I was reading this as if the passover lambs were already killed and the were having lamb at that supper but not this is not the case. Try reading this from this perspective and I believe that we will have the truth. God Bless That's the way I understand it. The Passover starts at Dawn, at night. Jesus was crucified the second half of the Passover during the Day. So the last supper was at the beginning of the Passover. In these end times our faith WILL BE TRIED more and more. While the truth opens our “spiritual” eyes more the fact is what matters is the Keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus, 1Cor. 7:19; Rev. 14:12. Hi Ken: I added a little to my post for clarification purposes after you posted your response to me. I believe that we are on one accord. God Bless

It's nice to be on the same page

[seeking the truth]

94 you said:….”but what I am seeing is that the meal that Jesus had with the disciples was on the night of the 14th. That is at 6PM at the beginning of the 14th. That was the day when the lambs for the passover were to be killed. I was reading this as if the passover lambs were already killed and they were having lamb at that supper but this is not the case. Try reading this from this perspective and I believe we will have the truth.”

I see it this way also 94! In Exodus12:1-6 The Passover lamb was to be kept from Nisan 10 UNTIL THE 14 . It was then to be killed on the 14th. It was TO BE KILLED IN THE EVENING. How do we know for sure which evening is being discussed? Because God the Father set us a PERFECT EXAMPLE!

You said “if the passover lambs were already killed and they were having lamb at that supper but this is not the case. “

I know this was definitely NOT THE CASE, for the fact there were no mentioned of a lamb on the table. Or the men going to the temple to slain a lamb.

When did God decree that Jesus could declare “IT IS FINISHED” and die on the stake?

Was it the same time the Israel were sacrificing their Passover lambs at the Temple?

The Jews had always killed the Passover lambs during the final hours of the 14th. It was towards the end of the 14th, not at the beginning of the 14th, that the Passover lambs were killed.

After the lambs were killed they were prepared (which took some time) to be eaten, naturally, that evening – which began the 15th and the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. Nothing of the Passover lamb was to be left over until the morning (Ex. 12:8-10).

Yahweh commanded that only unleavened bread should be eaten with the Passover lamb, and that only unleavened bread should be found throughout the property for seven days: “neither shall there anything of the flesh, that you sacrificed the FIRST DAY AT EVEN, remain all night until the morning…you shall sacrifice the passover at even,(EVENING) at the going down of the sun…”(Deut. 16:1-7; Matt. 27:45-46).

Yahweh's Word shows that from the end of the 14th (the beginning of the 15th) until the 21st day of the first sacred month is seven days (Ex. 12:18).

The Passover lamb is killed at the end or afternoon (between the two evenings in Hebrew) of the 14th and eaten at the beginning of the 15th with unleavened bread ..is this right?

If this is true, “Therefore let us keep the feast…with unleavened bread of sincerity and truth”(1 Cor. 7-8). Christ is our PASSOVER – not our “Lord's Supper.”

As we partake of these holy emblems, what are we remembering? Are we commemorating the night of Yeshua's betrayal or are we commemorating Jesus' DEATH? We're to eat the BREAD in remembrance of Jesus' body that was sacrificed at the end of the 14th and we're to drink the WINE in remembrance of Jesus' shed blood on our behalf at the end of the 14th (1 Cor. 11:23-26,John 2:3-4).

I think personally we're to remember Yeshua's sacrifice as our very personal Passover Lamb – the Lamb of God! Passover – with the bread and the wine substituted for the lamb – is the annual holy day, observed at meal time on the evening of the 15th, that commemorates Jesus' sacrifice.

Thanks for bringing out some good points 94! Blessing to you.

[Jodi]

Quote (seeking the truth @ Nov. 29 2007,04:44)

94 you said:….”but what I am seeing is that the meal that Jesus had with the disciples was on the night of the 14th. That is at 6PM at the beginning of the 14th. That was the day when the lambs for the passover were to be killed. I was reading this as if the passover lambs were already killed and they were having lamb at that supper but this is not the case. Try reading this from this perspective and I believe we will have the truth.” I see it this way also 94! In Exodus12:1-6 The Passover lamb was to be kept from Nisan 10 UNTIL THE 14 . It was then to be killed on the 14th. It was TO BE KILLED IN THE EVENING. How do we know for sure which evening is being discussed? Because God the Father set us a PERFECT EXAMPLE! You said “if the passover lambs were already killed and they were having lamb at that supper but this is not the case. “ I know this was definitely NOT THE CASE, for the fact there were no mentioned of a lamb on the table. Or the men going to the temple to slain a lamb. When did God decree that Jesus could declare “IT IS FINISHED” and die on the stake? Was it the same time the Israel were sacrificing their Passover lambs at the Temple? The Jews had always killed the Passover lambs during the final hours of the 14th. It was towards the end of the 14th, not at the beginning of the 14th, that the Passover lambs were killed. After the lambs were killed they were prepared (which took some time) to be eaten, naturally, that evening – which began the 15th and the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. Nothing of the Passover lamb was to be left over until the morning (Ex. 12:8-10). Yahweh commanded that only unleavened bread should be eaten with the Passover lamb, and that only unleavened bread should be found throughout the property for seven days: “neither shall there anything of the flesh, that you sacrificed the FIRST DAY AT EVEN, remain all night until the morning…you shall sacrifice the passover at even,(EVENING) at the going down of the sun…”(Deut. 16:1-7; Matt. 27:45-46). Yahweh's Word shows that from the end of the 14th (the beginning of the 15th) until the 21st day of the first sacred month is seven days (Ex. 12:18). The Passover lamb is killed at the end or afternoon (between the two evenings in Hebrew) of the 14th and eaten at the beginning of the 15th with unleavened bread ..is this right? If this is true, “Therefore let us keep the feast…with unleavened bread of sincerity and truth”(1 Cor. 7-8). Christ is our PASSOVER – not our “Lord's Supper.” As we partake of these holy emblems, what are we remembering? Are we commemorating the night of Yeshua's betrayal or are we commemorating Jesus' DEATH? We're to eat the BREAD in remembrance of Jesus' body that was sacrificed at the end of the 14th and we're to drink the WINE in remembrance of Jesus' shed blood on our behalf at the end of the 14th (1 Cor. 11:23-26,John 2:3-4). I think personally we're to remember Yeshua's sacrifice as our very personal Passover Lamb – the Lamb of God! Passover – with the bread and the wine substituted for the lamb – is the annual holy day, observed at meal time on the evening of the 15th, that commemorates Jesus' sacrifice. Thanks for bringing out some good points 94! Blessing to you.

Mark 14:12 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” 13 So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, “Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14 Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' 15 He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.” 16 The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. 17 When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve. 18 While they were reclining at the table eating, he said, “I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me--one who is eating with me.”

You said,” The Jews had always killed the Passover lambs during the final hours of the 14th. It was towards the end of the 14th, not at the beginning of the 14th, that the Passover lambs were killed.” And, “After the lambs were killed they were prepared (which took some time) to be eaten, naturally, that evening – which began the 15th and the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. Nothing of the Passover lamb was to be left over until the morning (Ex. 12:8-10).”

So what you say matches up with Mark and what I am saying-

Jesus is keeping the TRUE Passover here, the scripture says
-WHEN IT IS CUSOMARY TO SACRIFICE THE PASSOVER LAMB,
– I MAY EAT THE PASSOVER WITH MY DISCIPLES
-WHILE THEY WERE RECLINING AT THE TABLE EATING, HE SAID, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, ONE OF YOU WILL BETRAY ME

It is CUSTOMARY on the 14th to slaughter the lamb, that evening the Passover meal is eaten which begins the Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, making Jesus BETRAYED ON THAT SABBATH and CRUCIFIED the next day ON THAT SABBATH!

For some reason because you don’t read that they killed a lamb and are eating it, you are dismissing this as the TRUE Passover, and are completely missing out on the significance of the meal they ate.

Matthew 26: 26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” 27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

There was no lamb because Jesus was having them symbolically eat the lamb through the bread and wine- having the TWO lambs, the original and Jesus unite in one through the Lord’s Supper which Jesus asks us to do today in remembrance of him.

There was not a lamb because there wasn’t going to be the need for one anymore. Jesus was creating a new way to celebrate the Passover.

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

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