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I need to point out also that the meal they ate was not the literal Passover lamb. The meal they shared together of which Y'shua ate none of, was done at evening on the 13th, so it actually would have been the beginning of the Passover Day still dark.
The Passover was not sacrificed untill the evening of the 14th, while the sun was going down. This is when Y'shua was on the tree.
Laurel
Deu 16:6 But at the place which YHWH the Elohim shall choose to place His Name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the Passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.
Deu 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto YHWH thy Elohim: for in the month of Abib YHWH thy Elohim brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
Passover is synonomous with coming out of Babylon!!!! Bondage to pagen worship.
Deu 16:6 But at the place which YHWH thy Elohim shall choose to place His Name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the Passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.
Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 10:26 And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt.
(Y'shua implaed on a steak after the manner of Egypt)Isa 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
(a prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled, and now is)Isa 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.
Isa 19:3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. (Didn't one of our presidents seek the council of a fortune teller? Bush Sr. possibly?)
Isa 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
(His people who have been cast out of Jerusalem and now living among the Gentiles, will become a blessing to Eqypt and Assyria)Isa 20:3 And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;
Isa 27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
(He is calling us out of Egypt and Babylon and we will worship Him at the Feast of Trumpets!)Isa 31:1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD!
Isa 43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Jer 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
(Take heed of the prophets.)Jer 11:4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:
(The iron furnace of Rome. Rome=Iron. Babylon and Egypt) The prophecy of Daniel and Nebuchadnezzers dream. Head of gold feet of clay mingled with Iron, etc.)The 4 kingdoms of the anti-messiah pagen worship
Babylon became ruled by Egypt became ruled by Greece became ruled by Rome
Gold Silver Brass IronDan 2:30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Dan 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
Dan 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
Dan 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Dan 2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.Act 7:17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
So you can see there is much we can learn that pertains to us this day as if we were in Egypt. Take warning, those who do not come out of Egypt will be destroyed.
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,03:23) Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,19:38) Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 26 2007,22:05) I am still confused Matthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
Mr 15:42 – When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Lu 23:54 – It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning
John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, the Jews did not want the bodies left on the cross during the sabbath, especially because that sabbath was a day of great solemnity.
Joh 19:42 -And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.Why do people keep saying Jesus was crucified before the Passover Sabbath? Does not the scripture say he was handed over then, making the day he was crucified on the Passover Sabbath? Then scripture calls that day, the day of Preparation. Could it be that there were two Sabbaths literally back to back?
What are the rules if an annual Sabbath and a weekly Sabbath are back to back? Are people allowed to prepare for the weekly Sabbath on the annual Sabbath?
In the synoptics, Jesus shares the Passover Seder with his disciples. In John he does not but the Passover Seder is one the day of his crucifixion. That is one source of your confusion. So you have to figure out which day he was supposedly crucified on before you can narrow down the actual days.Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Why would they eat the Passover if the Seder was the previous night according to the synoptics? Because John goes out of his way to make Jesus into the Passover Lamb while the synoptics do not even attempt to make such an assertion.
Tow,
John 18:28Unless of course they had already shared THIS Passover with Y'shua and He had not been sacrificed yet, at wich time they can say they had “symbolically” eaten the Passover.
Huh? How do you symbolically eat it?Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,03:27) I need to point out also that the meal they ate was not the literal Passover lamb. The meal they shared together of which Y'shua ate none of, was done at evening on the 13th, so it actually would have been the beginning of the Passover Day still dark. The Passover was not sacrificed untill the evening of the 14th, while the sun was going down. This is when Y'shua was on the tree.
Laurel
Mat 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Luk 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
What day is the first day of unleavened bread?
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,03:27) I need to point out also that the meal they ate was not the literal Passover lamb. The meal they shared together of which Y'shua ate none of, was done at evening on the 13th, so it actually would have been the beginning of the Passover Day still dark. The Passover was not sacrificed untill the evening of the 14th, while the sun was going down. This is when Y'shua was on the tree.
Laurel
AlsoLuk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:Luke 22:13
The “Passover ” they were making ready was Y'shua!Luke 22:14 And when He was prepared, He sat down with His taught ones.
Luke 22:15 (Now He begins to share His New Covenant)
As for eating the Passover, it is not that they eat the literal body, He says (the Unleavened Bread is representative of His body!)
As for circimcision of the flesh, it represents how much faith is necessary to circumcise the hearts of men. And for the men who were circimcised as adults, what a committment they showed to YHWH!!
As for the sacrificial lamb's blood on the door posts of the homes in Egypt, is representative of the sacrifice of Y'shua and belief in His sacrifice knowing that He laid down His life to save us, and YHWH's Torah is written on our head between the frontlets of our mind and in the works we do (on the hand). YHWH's mark.
YHWH teaches us things about Himself, through physical examples, thus the marriage covenant.
Laurel YOU'RE RIGHT! Yeshua did not eat the Passover meal with his deciples though he EARNESTLY DESIRED TO..The LAST SUPPER was BEFORE the PASSOVER.
Yeshua never changed any of the observed Feast days, since He came to fulfill the spring Feasts as prophecy, and He was the Passover lamb, and the actual Passover meal was on the following evening.
Luke 22:15 And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you BEFORE I suffer;….
He strongly desired to eat the Passover meal with His disciples, but knew that He was the Passover Lamb and would suffer and die BEFORE the meal was eaten on the FOLLOWING EVENING.
John 13:1 clearly tells us that the meal they ATE was Before the Passover
1)1 Now BEFORE THE FEAST of the Passover, Yeshua knowing that his time had come that he would depart out of this world to his Father…
Then they led Yeshua from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and EARLY MORNING. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, BUT THAT THEY MAY EAT THE PASSOVER.
Jn. 18:28This passage CLEARLY said that the Priests did not want to defile themselves, so as to be able to eat the Passover meal, and that therefore Yeshua was being tried on the day BEFORE the Passover. This would then mean that He must have eaten the meal with His disciplesTHE DAY BEFORE and therefore THE LAST SUPPER could not have been the true Passover meal. Yeshua came to FULFILL, not to change THE LAW.
Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”
Jn. 19:14Yeshua ate the Last Supper on Tuesday night same night he was betrayed by Judas, then NEXT MORNING HE WAS SENT TO PILLATE, AND WAS CRUCIFIED, buried in a hurry because it was THE PREPARATION DAY OF the Passover.
Paul WHO was NOT at the last SUPPER CONFIRMED this in 1Cor.11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus THE SAME NIGHT IN WHICH HE WAS BETRAYED TOOK BREAD:
Yeshua did not eat the Passover meal, how could he if he was the Lamb, if He Truly was the Messiah he would have to die according to the scriptures, Instruction Yahweh gave to Moses and Aaron.
God did not allow that the Israelites to sacrifice the Passover anywhere they wanted, but only at the place where He chose to put His name. During Christ's life, the Temple in Jerusalem was the place where God had placed His name, and that's where the Jews slew the Passover lambs at even, at the going down of the sun in accordance with this command. (Deut.16:1)
Christ and his disciples obviously could not have eaten a Passover lamb with their meal that night. The Scriptures clearly state that Christ was our Passover (I Cor. 5:7). Matthew, Mark, and Luke all record that Christ died at the ninth hour (3:00 p.m.). This is the same time that scriptures records the slaughter of the Passover lambs commenced. Christ fulfilled the symbolism of the Passover lambs exactly by giving his life just as the unblemished Passover lambs began to be slain on the 14th of Nisan!
Jodi,
I know you're a bit confused on the Unleveaned Bread and the Passover.
I hope my explaination can clear something up for you!
Unleavened Bread lasted SEVEN DAYS from the 15th to the 21st of Nisan. This made the entire festival eight days in duration (Num 28:17, Lev 23:6).
However, as leaven had TO BE PUT OUT of the houses on the 14th, many of the statements that it was ‘the first day of unleavened bread’ may be no more than an observation that leaven, having been removed from the houses, could not have been used in the production of the day’s food. This is something about which it’s very difficult to be certain. THE 14 is to look FORWARD to the feast THAT ACTUALLY STARTS ON THE 15th of Nisan (Num28:16-17)
The Lamb of the Passover was slain between the two evenings on the 14th just before sunset and therefore just before the beginning of the 15th (Deut 16:6). The paschal lamb was eaten during the night of the 15th of Nisan (this being the first official Biblical day of the festival of Unleavened Bread) and the remaining flesh burnt the following morning (Ex 12:8).
If Christ was the true LAMB of God, HE had to fufill everything according to the SCRIPTURES even the time of the lamb of the OT was slained. God WORKS IN PATTERN!
Biblically, the Lord’s Passover was ONE DAY in length on the 14th of Nisan (Num 28:16, Lev 23:5) while Unleavened Bread lasted seven days from the 15th to the 21st of Nisan. This made the entire festival eight days in duration (Num 28:17, Lev 23:6). Confusion arose because, although the lamb was commanded to be slain on the 14th, the instruction that it was to be eaten during the night necessarily meant that it was consumed during the early part of the 15th, the Jewish day beginning at sundown when three stars were visible in the night sky.
Therefore the feast of Unleavened Bread stood or fell with Passover so that ‘Passover’ became the name for the entire festival and not just the name for the day immediately preceding the seven days of Unleavened Bread (Luke 22:1).
I hope this help, and Laurel seems to know alot about the festivals, therefore hang in there, in no time you'll fully understand THE FULL MEANING OF SACRIFIAL LAMB and why I believe that Yeshua is truly is the Lord of our Sabbath just like His Fathere our God.
Jody
You asked if there were 2 Sabbaths…
Well like I said before the Unleavened Bread OFFICIALLY STARTS ON THE 15 of Nisan, Yaweh commanded in Exodus 12:16 that the “FIRST DAY there shall be an HOLY CONVOCATION” no work should be done on the First Day of the Unleavened bread.
This “holy convocation can land on ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, as long as it is THE 15. but the day Yeshua died we can figure out the 15th was a Thursday BECAUSE
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mark said “WHEN THE SABBATH PASSED” they bought spices,
LUKE 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Here we see the women PREPARED spices and oinment AND RESTED THE SABBATH according to the COMMANDMENT.
so AFTER the sabath they BOUGHT AND PREPARED spices and ointments THEN they RESTED ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
We know from the beginning God's Holy day is Saturday, so they rested on this day, Then the day BEFORE Saturday is a Friday when they bought spices, Thursday was the FIRST DAY of Unleavened Bread holy convocation.
Now we have the days in order Yeshua died before the First day of Unleavened Bread, women bought spice after the 15th first day of unleavend bread, rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment!
So yes Jody there were 2 Sabbaths on the weeks Yeshua died according to the scriptures..Blessings to you!
SeekingtheTruth,
I was just wondering how long have you known the truth? For me it's been three years. Since I learned this specific truth, 3 days and 3 nights, according to Scripture (Jonah and Passover), my eyes and heart have been opened and I can say I have been delivered from Egypt (Babylon)!This was the most significant thing I needed to learn in my journey to grow in His Set-apart Spirit. Since then, I have been given many, many more truths.
I can say now that I know my Master, Y'shua Messiah an I can speak to YHWH my Elohim face to face! All because I chose to follow His Son!
Laurel
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2007,03:37) Luke 22:13
The “Passover ” they were making ready was Y'shua!
So what exactly were they doing to make Y'shua ready for the meal?Were they seasoning him with salt?
Thank you for all your explanation Laurel. But the scriptures to me don’t seem to be reflecting what you are saying.
Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the Passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Luk 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
The scriptures clearly seem to be saying that Y’shua and the disciples kept the TRUE Passover on the 14th and that is the night that he was captured, making the DAY he was crucified the 15th, the Sabbath day for the Feast. Now since the day was also being called the preparation day, that must mean it was the Friday before the Saturday Passover Sabbath.
What I don’t see is any indication that Y’shua and the disciples were keeping a pre-Passover and treating it like it was the real thing.
If the original lambs were slaughtered at twilight on the 14th, that is at the beginning of the 15th according to the Israelites. Therefore if Y’shua died on the 15th around 3PM, he was then killed the same day as the lambs were slaughtered. If Jesus died on the 14th at 3PM then that would NOT be the same day as the lambs were originally killed!
I find it interesting that some like to cling to the part of Y’shua being like Jonah three days and three nights literally, but not the part of Jonah being alive those three days and three nights.
Truly lets ask ourselves the SIGNIFICANCE OF ‘three days and three nights’. What MEANING IS THERE? There is no significance in three days and three nights, it could have just as well been two days and two nights, or five days and five nights. When Y’shua said he would be like Jonah, I don’t think what he meant for us to take from it was TIME. We were to take in what Jonah learned and what God accomplished in him those three days and three nights. What did Y’shua take in those days and nights in the grave? What did God accomplish in him, except giving his body supernatural powers not to decay?
The bible does tell us the significance of Y’shua’s struggle during the three days and three nights he was in the “heart of the earth”
Hebrews 5:8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered; 9 and having been made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him,
Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire–head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat–that is all you may do. 17 “Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day.
29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. 31 During the night Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Up! Leave my people, you and the Israelites! Go, worship the Lord as you have requested. 32 Take your flocks and herds, as you have said, and go. And also bless me.” 33 The Egyptians urged the people to hurry and leave the country. “For otherwise,” they said, “we will all die!” 34 So the people took their dough before the yeast was added, and carried it on their shoulders in kneading troughs wrapped in clothing.
42 Because the Lord kept vigil that night to bring them out of Egypt, on this night all the Israelites are to keep vigil to honor the Lord for the generations to come.
Leviticus 23:4 “'These are the Lord's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present an offering made to the Lord by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.'”
I will agree with you Seeking the Truth that God works in Patterns. However if you are going to argue that Y’shua had to die on the 14th as did the lambs (which actually you are wrong about as I pointed out earlier) then why not then believe that he was set free from death that night/or we could say early on the 15th, because that is when the Israelites were set free, if indeed Christ had to fulfill everything according to scripture!
According to scripture the Israelites did not have to wait three days and three nights until they were freed!
According to the biology references I checked they all said that the decay process of a human body occurs right after death. Within 4 minutes of death a body begins to undergo self digestion amongst other things.
The Passover meal unlike you said, Seeking Truth, according to scripture is eaten the evening before the 15th.
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Tuesday– Y’shua initial betrayal that nightMatthew 26:1 When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2 “As you know, the Passover is two days away–and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.” 3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4 and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him.
Matthew 26:6 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. 8 When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. 9 “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.” 10 Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not alway
s have me. 12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13 I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” 14 Then one of the Twelve–the one called Judas Iscariot–went to the chief priests 15 and asked, “What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins.Luke 4:38 Jesus left the synagogue and went to the home of Simon. Now Simon's mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever, and they asked Jesus to help her. 39 So he bent over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. She got up at once and began to wait on them. 40 When the sun was setting, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them.
Wednesday–
Thursday– Preparation day for Feast of Unleavened Bread/ Evening Passover kept by Y’shua and disciples/ Y’shua went and prayed, like Jonah had prayed in the fish/ Y’shua captured.
Friday– Sabbath Day of Feast of Unleavened Bread–Crucified/ Died around 3PM/ Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset.
This keeps with the Pattern of Jonah making Y’shua trapped, it equals a three day and three night time period, and as well it follows closely with the original Passover, where Y’shua dies the same day as the lambs were slaughtered and he was set free the same time the Israelites were set free! Moreover it makes Y’shua to have been risen on the Sabbath!!
Quote (seeking the truth @ Nov. 28 2007,06:00) Jody You asked if there were 2 Sabbaths…
Well like I said before the Unleavened Bread OFFICIALLY STARTS ON THE 15 of Nisan, Yaweh commanded in Exodus 12:16 that the “FIRST DAY there shall be an HOLY CONVOCATION” no work should be done on the First Day of the Unleavened bread.
This “holy convocation can land on ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, as long as it is THE 15. but the day Yeshua died we can figure out the 15th was a Thursday BECAUSE
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mark said “WHEN THE SABBATH PASSED” they bought spices,
LUKE 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Here we see the women PREPARED spices and oinment AND RESTED THE SABBATH according to the COMMANDMENT.
so AFTER the sabath they BOUGHT AND PREPARED spices and ointments THEN they RESTED ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
We know from the beginning God's Holy day is Saturday, so they rested on this day, Then the day BEFORE Saturday is a Friday when they bought spices, Thursday was the FIRST DAY of Unleavened Bread holy convocation.
Now we have the days in order Yeshua died before the First day of Unleavened Bread, women bought spice after the 15th first day of unleavend bread, rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment!
So yes Jody there were 2 Sabbaths on the weeks Yeshua died according to the scriptures..Blessings to you!
Thank you, Seeking the Truth for all your input.A little about me,
I am not completely unfamiliar with the Passover, I did keep it with my parents throughout my entire childhood. My room was more clean on the 14th, then any other day the entire year!
What you are teaching is exactly what I grew up in, being that I was in the WWC.
As you can see from my previous post, your message is not adding up to me.
As far as the two Sabbaths as you can see I am coming to believe that they were back to back. Therefore I believe after Y'shua was laid in the tomb before sunset on Friday the girls went home to prepare the spices. They realized they needed more, but being Sabbath about to begin they would have to wait to buy them until after sunset on Saturday.
Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 28 2007,08:21) I find it interesting that some like to cling to the part of Y’shua being like Jonah three days and three nights literally, but not the part of Jonah being alive those three days and three nights.
I have also wondered about this but haven't said anything….Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 28 2007,08:21) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2007,03:37) Luke 22:13
The “Passover ” they were making ready was Y'shua!
So what exactly were they doing to make Y'shua ready for the meal?Were they seasoning him with salt?
Thank you for all your explanation Laurel. But the scriptures to me don’t seem to be reflecting what you are saying.
Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the Passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Luk 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
The scriptures clearly seem to be saying that Y’shua and the disciples kept the TRUE Passover on the 14th and that is the night that he was captured, making the DAY he was crucified the 15th, the Sabbath day for the Feast. Now since the day was also being called the preparation day, that must mean it was the Friday before the Saturday Passover Sabbath.
What I don’t see is any indication that Y’shua and the disciples were keeping a pre-Passover and treating it like it was the real thing.
If the original lambs were slaughtered at twilight on the 14th, that is at the beginning of the 15th according to the Israelites. Therefore if Y’shua died on the 15th around 3PM, he was then killed the same day as the lambs were slaughtered. If Jesus died on the 14th at 3PM then that would NOT be the same day as the lambs were originally killed!
I find it interesting that some like to cling to the part of Y’shua being like Jonah three days and three nights literally, but not the part of Jonah being alive those three days and three nights.
Truly lets ask ourselves the SIGNIFICANCE OF ‘three days and three nights’. What MEANING IS THERE? There is no significance in three days and three nights, it could have just as well been two days and two nights, or five days and five nights. When Y’shua said he would be like Jonah, I don’t think what he meant for us to take from it was TIME. We were to take in what Jonah learned and what God accomplished in him those three days and three nights. What did Y’shua take in those days and nights in the grave? What did God accomplish in him, except giving his body supernatural powers not to decay?
The bible does tell us the significance of Y’shua’s struggle during the three days and three nights he was in the “heart of the earth”
Hebrews 5:8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered; 9 and having been made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him,
Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire–head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat–that is all you may do. 17 “Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day.
29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. 31 During the night Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Up! Leave my people, you and the Israelites! Go, worship the Lord as you have requested. 32 Take your flocks and herds, as you have said, and go. And also bless me.” 33 The Egyptians urged the people to hurry and leave the country. “For otherwise,” they said, “we will all die!” 34 So the people took their dough before the yeast was added, and carried it on their shoulders in kneading troughs wrapped in clothing.
42 Because the Lord kept vigil that night to bring them out of Egypt, on this night all the Israelites are to keep vigil to honor the Lord for the generations to come.
Leviticus 23:4 “'These are the Lord's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present an offering made to the Lord by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.'”
I will agree with you Seeking the Truth that God works in Patterns. However if you are going to argue that Y’shua had to die on the 14th as did the lambs (which actually you are wrong about as I pointed out earlier) then why not then believe that he was set free from death that night/or we could say early on the 15th, because that is when the Israelites were set free, if indeed Christ had to fulfill everything according to scripture!
According to scripture the Israelites did not have to wait three days and three nights until they were freed!
According to the biology references I checked they all said that the decay process of a human body occurs right after death. Within 4 minutes of death a body begins to undergo self digestion amongst other things.
The Passover meal unlike you said, Seeking Truth, according to scripture is eaten the evening before the 15th.
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Tuesday– Y’shua initial betrayal that nightMatthew 26:1 When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2 “As you know, the Passover is two days away–and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.” 3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4 and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him.
Matthew 26:6 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. 8 When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. 9 “This perfume could have been sold at a h
igh price and the money given to the poor.” 10 Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. 12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13 I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” 14 Then one of the Twelve–the one called Judas Iscariot–went to the chief priests 15 and asked, “What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins.Luke 4:38 Jesus left the synagogue and went to the home of Simon. Now Simon's mother-in-law was suffering from a high fever, and they asked Jesus to help her. 39 So he bent over her and rebuked the fever, and it left her. She got up at once and began to wait on them. 40 When the sun was setting, the people brought to Jesus all who had various kinds of sickness, and laying his hands on each one, he healed them.
Wednesday–
Thursday– Preparation day for Feast of Unleavened Bread/ Evening Passover kept by Y’shua and disciples/ Y’shua went and prayed, like Jonah had prayed in the fish/ Y’shua captured.
Friday– Sabbath Day of Feast of Unleavened Bread–Crucified/ Died around 3PM/ Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset.
This keeps with the Pattern of Jonah making Y’shua trapped, it equals a three day and three night time period, and as well it follows closely with the original Passover, where Y’shua dies the same day as the lambs were slaughtered and he was set free the same time the Israelites were set free! Moreover it makes Y’shua to have been risen on the Sabbath!!
JodiExcellent!
Except I am confused about when he was raised. It appears you are saying he was raised the same evening. the beginning of the 7th day Sabbath. If this is true how does this tie in with the feast of first fruits? Jesus was the firstfrut.
Jodi..I'm a bit confused on what you said..
1) You said Yeshua was buried on Friday and was resurrected a couple of hours after that on the sabbath? (HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS CONCLUSION?)
2)You also said “As far as the two Sabbaths as you can see I am coming to believe that they were back to back. “
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN DO You believe……. Yeshua died on Friday, which was a Sabbath? Then the next day is the weekly Sabbath?
3) YOU SAID: Friday- Sabbath Day of Feast of Unleavened Bread–Crucified/ Died around 3PM/ Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset.
so you believe FRIDAY as the DAY of the Unleavened bread-The Sabbath(do you have a verse to back this up?)
IF THIS IS TRUE then you're CONTRADICTING the scriptures LUKE 23:54 When Joseph went to get the body of Yeshua
“AND IT WAS THE PREPARATION DAY AND THE SABBATH WAS ABOUT TO BEGIN.”Yeshua died on the PREPARATION DAY, NOT the FIRST DAY of Unleavened Bread as you claim.
YOU SAID: “Placed in tomb just before sunset/ Raised just after sunset”
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS?
If you do, then DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT Yeshua said.
Yeshua himself said after he was already RESURRECTED in Luke24:46 ” THUS IT IS WRITTEN, THAT THE CHRIST SHOULD SUFFER AND RISE AGAIN FROM THE DEAD THE [THIRD](NOT ONE OR 2 OR A COUPLE OF HOURS ONLY) DAY.
I can't understand how people confess they believe in Christ and his resurrection on the 3rd day, and NOT LITERALLY ACCEPT HIS WORD.
Even Yeshua knows how many hours is on a day, so wouldn't you think he also know how LONG 3 days and 3 nights is?……….John11: 9 Jesus answered, “ARE THERE NOT 12 HOURS OF DAYLIGHT? Those who walk in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world's light.”
Jodi if you BELIEVE that Yeshua healed the sick raised the dead like Lazarus who was dead 4 DAYS, then how could you not literally take Yeshua own word that he too will be dead for 3 days?..Don't you believe God preserved his body IN THOSES 3 DAYS, JUST LIKE JONAH WAS ALIVE IN THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?(really who can actually survive in the whale..only by FAITH)..Look at Lazarus who was dead for FOUR DAYS HE STINKED, HE PROBABLY STARTED TO DECAY, BUT YET Yeshua raised him and afterwards THEY ATE SUPPER TOGETHER..I'm assuming Lazarus digestive system was just fine.
Anyhow the fact is if certain things don't fit well with the scriptures, we have to dismiss it. assumptions are just that until proven to be true. It's why I love this verse in Isaiah 28:9-10….
Whom will He teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? For PRECEPT MUST BE UPON PRECEPT, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.
We can only prove scriptures upon scriptures. I know certain scriptures are added in the bible over the years, therefore I believe Yaweh inspired Isaiah to write this.
Anyhow Jodi, scriptures are there for us to prove all things, but we need to lay aside our own assumption before Yaweh's spirit can reveal these things to us, (little by little)
It's amazing though when Yaweh opens the eyes of the true worshippers, they speak the same language. I find a connection with Laurel with it comes to this subject. This only confirms Yaweh revealed this not man.
Anyhow blessings to you on your journey in finding the truth, don't lose faith…
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,10:37) Luke 22:13
The “Passover ” they were making ready was Y'shua!Say huh? Did they roast Jesus over a fire and eat him with bitter herbs?
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Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exo 12:7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
Exo 12:9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
Exo 12:10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
========================================According to the command, Jesus could not have been the Passover lamb. He was (1) not killed by Israelites but by Gentiles (2) His blood was not spread on the doorposts (neither was his symbolic blood done this way) (3) he was not roast with fire and served with unleavened bread and bitter herbs (4) his body was in the tomb (or somewhere else who knows) so all of him remained until the morning.
Quote Luke 22:14 And when He was prepared, He sat down with His taught ones. A roasted dead guy can talk? He was a miracle worker!
Quote Luke 22:15 (Now He begins to share His New Covenant) Yes it was certainly his because YHVH would have nothing to do with the drinking of blood, symbolic or not.
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Lev 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.Lev 7:26 Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, whether it be of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings.
Lev 17:12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
Deu 12:16 Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
Deu 12:23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
Deu 15:23 Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.
1Sa 14:32 And the people flew upon the spoil, and took sheep, and oxen, and calves, and slew them on the ground: and the people did eat them with the blood.
1Sa 14:33 Then they told Saul, saying, Behold, the people sin against the LORD, in that they eat with the blood. And he said, Ye have transgressed: roll a great stone unto me this day.
1Sa 14:34 And Saul said, Disperse yourselves among the people, and say unto them, Bring me hither every man his ox, and every man his sheep, and slay them here, and eat; and sin not against the LORD in eating with the blood. And all the people brought every man his ox with him that night, and slew them there.Eze 33:25 Wherefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Ye eat with the blood, and lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shed blood: and shall ye possess the land?
========================================Seems YHVH is pretty serious about NOT ingesting blood. If Jesus was the son of YHVH he just slapped his father in the face with his new covenant.
Quote As for eating the Passover, it is not that they eat the literal body, He says (the Unleavened Bread is representative of His body!) As for circimcision of the flesh, it represents how much faith is necessary to circumcise the hearts of men. And for the men who were circimcised as adults, what a committment they showed to YHWH!!
As for the sacrificial lamb's blood on the door posts of the homes in Egypt, is representative of the sacrifice of Y'shua and belief in His sacrifice knowing that He laid down His life to save us, and YHWH's Torah is written on our head between the frontlets of our mind and in the works we do (on the hand). YHWH's mark.
YHWH teaches us things about Himself, through physical examples, thus the marriage covenant.
Christianity is symbolic cannibalism, plain and simple. Since Catholics for years believed that the wafer and wine turned into Jesus' flesh and blood, they were outright cannibals!hey Tow you said… Say huh? Did they roast Jesus over a fire and eat him with bitter herbs?
No way Mary didn't realy have a little Lamb, fat kids are to hard to carry into the Kingdom!
As you said Tow…
Christianity is symbolic cannibalism, plain and simple. Since Catholics for years believed that the wafer and wine turned into Jesus' flesh and blood, they were outright cannibals!Will it help if cannibals! use Knifes and forks?
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