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Mk 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.NKJV
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.NLT
It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus rose from the dead, and the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons.NIV
When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.ESV
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.NASB
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.RSV
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.Darby
Now when he had risen very early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.Web
Now when Jesus was risen early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons.HNV
Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Miryam from Magdala, from whom he had cast out seven demons.The translators know more about the GT than we do. Almost all of them put the comma after “when he was risen early”.
If this scripture is not the time that Yeshua rose then there is no scripture that gives the time. No scripture tells us he rose on the Sabbath.
If he rose on the Sabbath then he waited around for around fifteen hours before appearing to any one, for the 7th day Sabbath ended 6:00PM Saturday. If it was exactly 36 hours from his crucifixtion, then that would mean he arose at 3:00PM Saturday afternoon.
I find it very unlikely that he would have not appeared to someone or that his ressurection could go unnoticed untill Sunday morning.
As far as some scholars claiming Mark 16:9 being added to the text, well they were probably Sabbatarians and of course this is always a complaint for anyone when it cuts across their doctrine.
Frankly it is so weak to hear Christians constantly claiming tampering with the GT when the scriptures dont agree with them.
This just gives fuel to the unbelievers.
STT
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In Mark 7:13, Christ STRONGLY warns against “making the word of God of NONE EFFECT through YOUR tradition.” How is it that intelligent, well-educated Bible scholars seem to “know” that Jesus was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday? What is it about Christ’s clear, STRAIGHT FORWARD sign that they OR YOU CANNOT ACCEPT? The answer lies in the comfort of long-held but clearly false traditions!No I think it is your traditions.
What about this explanation for the 3 days?
Friday crucifixion
Sunday resurrectionThree days and three nights
Jesus said: Luke 13:32 “Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today [Fri] and tomorrow [Sat], and the third day [Sun] I reach My goal.”
God said to Moses: “Go to the people and consecrate them today [Mon] and tomorrow [Tues], and let them wash their garments; and let them be ready for the third day [Wed], for on the third day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.” Exodus 19:10-11
The Bible clearly teaches Yeshua rose on the “Third day” which is not a 36 hour period as the above shows.
Mk 16:9
When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.This scripture clearly teaches that Yeshua rose “Early” the first day of the week.
Early church Fathers spoke of the sunday ressurection.
250 AD IGNATIUS: “On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathaea had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord's day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection.” The (Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians, chapter 9)
150AD JUSTIN: “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.” (First apology of Justin, Weekly Worship of the Christians, Ch 68)
The Jewish time system was not the same as ours.
A. Interchangeability of terms “3 days”
B. Parallel passages which prove interchangeability:
C. Actual Bible examples of calculating 3 days & 3 nights!
C1. From the mouth of Jesus!
C2. The case of Cornelius in Acts 10:3+9+23+24+30
C3. The case of Queen Esther: Esther 4:16 + 5:1
C4. The case of the faithless Jews: Matthew 27:63-64
C5. The case of the starving servant: 1 Samuel 30:12-13
D. Day as defined in Genesis
E. “Preparation”, the first century word for Friday!
F. Scholars and commentaries on 3 days & 3 nights
G. Jewish usage of expression “Next Day”.http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm#V
There is no scripture that says Yeshua rose on the 7th day Sabbath.
Mk 16:19 and others show he arose early on sunday morning.
Why would Yeshua wait and hide for 15 hours before appearing to the saints?
WJ,
Where is “your” second wittness, since you believe He rose in the “venerable day of the SUN-god)Where you qoute Ex 19, was “Tabernacles” a Feast in the fall.
Your quotefrom Luke does not tell the literal days, you “HAVE ADDED TO HIS WORD” there!Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
I would like to point out int Mat. 26:2 that the “Feast is Unleavened Bread” and falls the day after Passover Day. The word Passover in Mat. 26:2 denotes the “Passover season” which includes Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and the Conclusion of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which are all High Sabbaths, except Passover, which is the “Preparation Day” of the first day of Unleavened Bread.
Let's look at another verse:
Mar 14:1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
Here we see more clearly it was two days from the feast of Unleavened Bread.Let's look at the Torah for more detail:
Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
Feast of Unleavened Bread back in Genesis!!
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Officially the 14th of abib is Passover, and the 15th day is Unleavened Bread.
Mat 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
This verse , translated incorrectly (check Strong's), actually says it was the beginning of the week of Passover, and His taught ones asked Him where to prepare for it. It was most likely the first day of the week, because Tuesday evening was their (Lord's Supper) breaking bread and drinking the wine together, of which Y'shua had none. It was Him teaching us how to remember Him and the Passover until His return.
So the Lord's Supper was on the 13th at evening which actually was the beginning of Passover the 14th while it was still dark. We call this time of day “between the evenings.”
Y'shua was betrayed this night, and brought before Pilot by Herod.Still Passsover Day (Abib 14, Wednesday on the Roman calander)He was nailed to the tree. That afternoon, late, He died, according to Scripture and the Torah.
He was in the tomb “exactly” three nights and three days, according to Scripture!
He rose on the weekly Sabbath, just before dark, exactly 72 hours from being placed in the tomb. This is His only sign that prooves He is the Messiah. Want to save a Jew? Learn the Truth!!!
If it actually were the first day of Unleavened Bread, the Passover would have already been slaughtered and eaten!
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2007,07:04) Hi: The following is Mark 16:9 YLT. Can someone help me understand?
Quote Mark 16:9 And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons; God Bless
94Bishop,
It sounds smooth, even lovely, BUT He rose in the evening, so this can not be correct.Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,04:38) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2007,07:04) Hi: The following is Mark 16:9 YLT. Can someone help me understand?
Quote Mark 16:9 And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons; God Bless
94Bishop,
It sounds smooth, even lovely, BUT He rose in the evening, so this can not be correct.
Hi Laurel:I willing to listen. Please show me scripture which shows that Jesus rose from the dead in the evening of the Sabbath, and I will believe you.
Whenever it was, I know that he has risen and that he is at the right hand of God my Father because the Spirit of God within me testifies to these facts.
Please be careful that you do not add to scripture to try to justify your position as you accuse others of doing.
God Bless
WJ..
John 12:1-3
>Jesus, therefore, 6 DAYS BEFORE
the Passover,>raised Lazarus from the dead.
>The women made Him a supper
> Mary anointed the feet of Jesus
We learn that it was SIX DAYS BEFORE Passover; Jesus arrived at Bethany where Lazarus lived. If Passover is on a Wednesday, then you back-up from there.
Wednesday would be day 6
Tuesday would be day 5
Monday would be day 4,
Sunday would be day 3,
Saturday would be day 2,
and Friday would be day 1.Jesus arrives 6 DAYS BEFORE, which would be on Thursday afternoon. By the way, this is a way of counting where you do not count the day that you are on, but you count including the day that YOU ARE GOING TOWARDS. Although I would say six days before, the sixth day is actually that day, and that mode of counting is well attested to in the Gospels. If we have Jesus Christ crucified on a Wednesday for our chart, then Christ arrives in Bethany on Thursday. He walks into Bethany the previous Thursday; this is the 8th of Nisan—Wednesday being the 14th of Nisan; the day of Passover. I did not say it but in John chapter 19, the day of crucifixion is BEFORE THE SPECIAL (hIGH dAY)Sabbath, which is Nisan 15. Six days before the Passover, Jesus Christ arrives.
[FRIDAY]
John 12:12
The NEXT DAY(FRIDAY) the great crowd that had come for the Feast heard that Jesus was ON HIS WAY TO Jerusalem.We are really going to pay close attention here to words such as: the next day. I will say that when you track the chronology, it is important that in laying out the records side by side you see and fit the places where the days change. If you will watch where the days change, then a lot of the confusion will become clearer.
Christ is at supper; he arrives at Bethany SIX DAYS BEFORE Passover. He arrives on a Thursday, goes to supper, Mary anoints his feet with oil and the next day verse 12 says that he goes into Jerusalem.
John 12:13 NEXT DAY(Friday)
>>>>The triumphal entry of Yahshua Book of Mark is more detailed on this (1-10)
Please notice that in John it told us, “THE NEXT DAY.” In Mark, it does not tell us this. I believe God could have stuck time words all over the place but did not do this because He wanted those who really wanted to know to know. Therefore seek and you will find.
>>>>Jesus entered Jerusalem and went to the temple. [Read this closely.] He looked around at everything, but since it was ALREADY LATE, he went out to Bethany with the Twelve. The NEXT DAY…(Mark 11:11)
This is an important thing of which you should be aware. It is an important time word to track. If we lay out the chronology, we have 6 DAYS BEFORE the Passover. Jesus Christ comes to Bethany. He is at a supper where Mary anoints his feet. The NEXT DAY, he enters into Jerusalem on the foal of an ass; his triumphal entry, but he gets there late enough that he does not cleanse the temple but just looks around. Now, he will go back into the temple the next day.
[SATURDAY]
Mark 11:12-14 NEXT DAY(SATURDAY)
>>>>> The NEXT DAY as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Jesus cursed the FIG TREE for there was no fruit.His disciples watched heard him speak to the tree, but they went onward.
>>>>>> Yahshua entered the temple(Mark 11:15-16)
>>>>>> Yahshua cleansing the temple(vs17-18)
>>>>>> Yahshua healing the sick Matthew 21:14
The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them.He cleanses the temple in Mark, Matthew, and in Luke. In John, no record is there of Jesus cleansing the temple. In Mark, you can track the time to the next day.
[SUNDAY]
Mark 11:20 THE NEXT DAY(SUNDAY)
In THE MORNING, as they went along, they saw the FIG TREE withered from the roots.>>>>>This is the next day. The disciples noticed the dead tree. This would be the 11th of Nisan.
Jesus goes in Thursday; he arrives in Bethany. Friday is his triumphal entry where he enters the temple on a colt the foal of an ass, but the Bible specifically tells us that he looked around the temple. He did not do anything. On Saturday he curses the fig tree on his way to the temple, and he cleanses the temple.
Now, it is the next day. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!”(Mark11:21)
>>>>Cleasing of the Temple continues
Yashua, then, moves into the temple courts, and he teaches. For example, look at Matthew 21 starting in verse 23, and you will see that Jesus entered the temple courts all the way through to chapter 23 are inside the temple. If you study this day, Sunday the 11th of Nisan, and study the teachings that are done on this day, tremendous teachings are found here. You will see this in Matthew chapter 21-chapter 23, Mark chapter 11-chapter 12, and Luke chapter 20.
>>>>>>Yahshua left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.
“Do you see all these things?” he asked.In Matthew 24, Jesus Christ lays out this great chronology of the end times. This teaching can be found in Matthew chapter 24, Mark chapter 13:1 and the following. You can lay this out in the various Gospels.
>>>>>>>Yahshua said “AFTER 2 DAYS the Passover is comming” (Matt26:1-2)
Then he goes to Bethany. Remember, some of this chronological material can be a little confusing unless you take notes.
Mark 14:1
Now the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only TWO days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some sly way to arrest Jesus and kill him.Mark 14:3(MONDAY)
While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon…This would be referring to the 12th of Nisan, and if the Passover Lamb being killed and the crucifixion is the 14th of Nisan, then that makes good sense. The 14th would beTWO days away.
Mark 14:1-3 MONDAY DINNER(Yahshua 2nd annoiting)
>>>>>>>While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a {woman} came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his HEAD.
This is MONDAY night’s supper. This is not to be confused with Thursday night’s supper(WITH Lazarus) when a jar of pure nard was used to anoint Jesus’ FEET. This is Monday's supper, and a jar of pure nard is poured on HIS HEAD.
>>>>>>Mark 14:10-11
Then Judas, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them.This is Judas seeking how to hand over Christ. At this point, we move into Jesus wanting to prepare a place that the Passover meal could be eaten.
Mark 14:12 Next day, TUESDAY( After the Dinner at Simon's House)
On the FIRST DAY of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover Lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him…You can tell even if you just work the Scripture by going to John 13: 1 that this scripture is talking about this exact same supper. It says, “It was just BEFORE THE Passover Feast.”
It is just BEFORE the Passover Feast and Christ is telling his disciples,
“let us go out, let us find a place, let us be prepared to eat the Passover meal. They are going to go out and eat the Passover meal. However, they will NOT EAT THE Passover meal because YAHSHUA WAS THE Passover Lamb. The deciples did not know this was their Last meal together, Yashua was not going to have Pass over dinner with them though he DESIRED to.He was slain exactly at the same time that the type of the Passover lamb was being slain in Jerusalem. The sacrifice that mattered that year was the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the real Passover Lamb.
The meal that is known as the Last Supper was a meal as John 13 says that was BEF
ORE THE Passover.It says they PREPARED the Passover, and some jump on this verse as conclusive that Peter and John prepared a Passover meal. However, the Passover required that all men take the lamb to the Temple for sacrifice and be present there. What the scriptures show us is that Jesus and the rest of the disciples just showed up later in the evening at the upper room. Don't you think it is significant that Holy Spirit did not inspire the writers of all these books to mention even once that it was a Passover Seder meal?
Luke 22:15 And He said to them, “I have earnestly DESIRED to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;..
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for, I tell you, I SHALL NOT EAT IT (AGAIN) until there is fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”For I tell you that from now on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine UNTIL the kingdom of God comes. (22:18) [Mk 14:25 has “until I drink it new in the kingdom of God”]
“With GREAT desire I have desired to eat the Passover with you before I suffer.”
The Passover Lamb had to be perfect, without a spot or a blemish, and Jesus was actually saying that, “With great desire, I desire to eat the Passover before I become the Passover.”
The Lord Jesus the {SAME NIGHT in which He was betrayed} took bread: and when He had given thanks, He brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me. After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till He come.” 1 Cor. 11:23-26.
>>>>Last Supper he had with his deciples BEFORE the pass over
>>>>> Same NIGHT Judas Betrayed Christ.
>>>>>John 18:24
Then Annas sent him, still bound, to Caiaphas the high priest.>>>>>Those who had arrested Jesus took him to Caiaphas, the high priest,(Matt26:57)
Jesus was arrested in the garden at night. He was taken to Annas’ house, and Jesus was questioned and beaten around for a while, and then he was sent bound to Caiaphas. As you continue reading in John chapter 18, verse 25 Simon Peter is warming himself, are you not one of his disciples; he denies again. A rooster crows in verse 27. In verse 28, the Jews lead Jesus from Caiaphas to the place of the Roman Governor.
Luke 22:66 NEXT DAY(WEDNESDAY)
At DAYBREAK the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them.This is daybreak and Jesus is taken before a day trial before the Sanhedrin. In Matt 27, he is taken from here, the day trial, to Pilate.
>>>>>>>>Then the whole assembly rose and led him off to Pilate. Luke23:1
>>>>>Pilate does not want to mess with Jesus Christ at all.
Luke 23:7-8aThe record about Herod is only in Luke. Matthew, Mark, and John leave it out. Herod is greatly pleased. He questioned Jesus, and when he gets nothing, his soldiers mock Jesus and punch him around, and then Herod sends Christ back to Pilate. Luke 23:11
This is where John 19, verse 14 says that Christ is still before Pilate at noon. This makes good sense because if you have a day trial with the Sanhedrin, it has to be daybreak. First of all, the Bible says that it was daybreak. It will take a while to get the entire Sanhedrin together and have this thing tried through, and then they take him to Pilate. Pilate tries Jesus for a while and tries to not have to deal with Christ but sends him to Herod. Herod goes through the same thing and sends Jesus back to Pilate. Now Pilate is still trying Christ and trying to get him released. It takes up until noon. You can see the need for that kind of time. The people cry no that they want Barabbas.
>>>>>>>>>>>Pilate washes his hands of Jesus Christ and sends him off to be crucified.Mark 15:16
Now they beat on Yashua. This is the type of progression that I see that when Jesus was in the garden and he said,
“Father if it is possible take this cup from me.”
The next morning according to Matthew 15:25 it was the third hour when they crucified Jesus. It is nine in the morning when they crucified him. According to verse 33, darkness is over the whole land until the ninth hour. At the ninth hour, which is three o’clock in the afternoon, Christ cries out.
For in Jesus’ last words, Christ is pointing out to prophecies about himself saying, “Look at the prophets. Look at the Psalms and see that I am he. I am the Messiah, the Passover Lamb that will die for your sin.” Even his last word in John chapter 19:28-30 which says, “It is finished.” Even his last words, “It is finished,” are the last words of Psalm 22.
Yahshua gave up his SPIRIT around 3 o'clock in the afternoon “ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES” therefore if youto count 72 hRS from WHEN HE DIED, God resurrected Yashua around the same time, in order to fulfill the scriptures.
Yahshua died on the the PREPARATION DAY before High day.Yashua was not resurrected RIGHT AFTER he died either OR you are going against what HE SAID, 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS.
We also KNOW FROM Psalm16:10 For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol(GRAVE); Nor will You allow Your Holy One to UNDERGO DECAY.
His body did not undergo decay in 3 days,
Yashua was on Rigor mortis stages, which the cells in the muscle tissues are still active (obviously not moving around, but still doing the chemical reaction thing), and when they're deprived of oxygen, lactic acid is produced as the glycogen within them breaks down. The excess lactic acid has a gell-like consistency and causes the body to become rigid.
(stiff)Rigor mortis starts in the thin facial muscles, and will extend throughout the whole body in four to six hours. It lasts anywhere from 24 to 72 hours, then the muscles (or what's left of them) once again relax, as more chemical reactions break down the lactic acid.
This is basically step one “The fresh stage”
As for Lazarus fourth day represents corruption: JN11:39
Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the dead man's sister, said to him, “Lord, by now there will be a stench; he has been dead for FOUR days.”Wednesday AFTERNOON he died, entombed before evening, resurrected around THE SAME TIME 3 days later on the Sabbath. ALL scriptures are there inspired by YAWEH himself, I believe he ONLY reveals it to those who really seeks him.
It was the custom to mourn for the dead 3 full days and nights, called “days of weeping”, which were followed by 4 “days of lamentation”, thus, thus making seven days
(gen 27:41, 1 Sam 31:13, Job 2:13).
According to rabbinical notion, the spirit wandered the sepulcher for 3 days hoping to re-enter the body, but when corruption set in, the spirit left. This was believed to be on the fourth day when the loud lamentations began. Hence, on the fourth day Lazarus was supposed to stink (John 11:39).
· Herodotus testified that the embalming process did not take place until AFTER 3 days when the spirit was supposed to be gone. This is why the women were taking sweet spices to anoint Jesus.
Wednesday burial,ThurSday holy sabbath, FRIDAY the women PREPARED SPICES Mark 16:1 CR Luke 23:55-56.
Sabbath they rested, sunday BEFORE SUNLIGHT as early as possible they wanted to go see Yashua, but God ALREADY HAD RESURRCTED HIM ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.
laurel
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WJ,
Where is “your” second wittness, since you believe He rose in the “venerable day of the SUN-god)What has a sun god taken over one of the “Lords days”?
David said “This is the day that the lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it”.
Last time I looked all days belong to YHWH not to some sun god.
Dop you avoid worshipping on Sundays? I think we should worship every day. Dont you?
Your cronological list lacks scriptural proof. You base your tradition on a Jewish calender that is faulty and is not accurate and can not be. We dont even know the exact year the Lord was born.
The scriptures are the best record we have.
Mk 16:9 KJV
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.NKJV
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.NLT
It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus rose from the dead, and the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons.NIV
When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.ESV
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.NASB
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.RSV
Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.Darby
Now when he had risen very early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.Web
Now when Jesus was risen early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons.HNV
Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Miryam from Magdala, from whom he had cast out seven demons.So throw it out if you like and hold on to your tradition.
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2007,04:38) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 26 2007,07:04) Hi: The following is Mark 16:9 YLT. Can someone help me understand?
Quote Mark 16:9 And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons; God Bless
94Bishop,It sounds smooth, even lovely, BUT He rose in the evening, so this can not be correct.
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It sounds smooth, even lovely, BUT He rose in the evening, so this can not be correct.He died at 3:00 PM. So if he arose in the evening then that would not be 36 Hrs would it?
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correction “72 Hours”
STT
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WJ..John 12:1-3
>Jesus, therefore, 6 DAYS BEFORE
the Passover,>raised Lazarus from the dead.
>The women made Him a supper
> Mary anointed the feet of Jesus
We learn that it was SIX DAYS BEFORE Passover; Jesus arrived at Bethany where Lazarus lived. If Passover is on a Wednesday, then you back-up from there.
Wednesday would be day 6
Tuesday would be day 5
Monday would be day 4,
Sunday would be day 3,
Saturday would be day 2,
and Friday would be day 1.Your doctrine is a whole lot like the WWC and Armstrongs. Which is in error.
As pointed out before. The Jewish calander is flawed and cannot be accurate. We dont even know the Year our Lord was born.
All we have is the scriptures. Here is some facts that you seriously need to consider.
Day and year Jesus died: Friday Nisan 14, 30 or 33 AD:
1. Variables we can determine with certainty from scripture:
Wed/Thurs/Friday crucifixion? (Friday is clearly the day)
Crucifixion on Nisan 14 or Nisan 15? (Nisan 14 is clearly the date)
Do Passover, wave/ sheaf offering and Pentecost etc. fall on the same weekday every year or are they like birthdays that fall on different weekdays depending on the year.
Which chronology shall we follow: Mt + Mk + Lk or Johns? (ie which one uses the term “Passover” for the seder/lamb meal and which one uses “Passover” for the entire 8 day festival? We have determined that the synoptics Mt + Mk + Lk, use Passover for the whole 8 day feast and therefore judge that John’s chronology is to be followed)
2. Variables almost impossible to determine with certainty none of which come from scripture:Dates indicated by Daniel's prophecy and Nehemiah's decree
When was Jesus born between 7 BC-4 AD?
Jesus ministry 1-3 years?
Solar calculation
Lunar calculation
Visual observation
Mean conjunction rather than the true conjunction: “The current rules used by the Jews in calculating their calendar have been changed from the rules at the time of Christ. The changes we made about 350 AD. So most Jewish calendar programs will reflect those rules. It is most likely that the calendar at the time of Jesus used the mean conjunction rather than the true conjunction. The mathematics of the day was not sophisticated enough to calculate the true conjunction which would differ in the years 23, 26, 27, 28, 29 and 34. It would have no impact on the years 30 – 33 AD.” (Jim, Church of God, minister)
Qumran calendar
Lack of records for adding Jewish leap months to harmonize lunar and solar calendars between 27-33 AD
Translation of date into Julian and Gregorian dates
Choosing between the years 30 AD and 33 AD for a Friday crucifixion, 33 has one advantage in choice: “The fall of Sejanus in Rom in October 31 AD would better explain Pilate’s vulnerability to the pressures of the populace, but that is too uncertain an argument to create a preference. I see no possibility of coming to a decision choosing one of the two years.” (Death of the Messiah, Raymond Brown, Anchor, Vol 2, Pg 1376)
3. Perspective on determining the calendar date of Jesus death:We can from scripture determine both a Friday Nisan 14 crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection.
We will NEVER be certain about the year. This is IMPOSSIBLE to calculate without making huge assumptions.
All the authorities and scholars openly admit that certainty is impossible.
Those who proclaim a firm year with certainty are “rushing in where angels fear to tread”.
A simple review of the variables above that lie outside the Bible, along with the fact that the Holy Spirit CHOSE to be silent on the specifics of the date of the birth of Jesus and the date of crucifixion prove that arguing over calendars and dates are fruitless, irrelevant and a waste of time.
Most churches that teach a Wednesday crucifixion share these two things: 1. Sabbath keepers (Saturday) and 2. Bind all the Jewish feast days upon Christians, even though Gal 4:10 says, “You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you” in specific reference to these same Jewish feast days. And Col 2:16 says, “He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come”.
http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htmBlessings!
“The scriptures are the best record we have”
RIGHT! and Jesus said, “Are there not twelve hours in the day?..”
so realistically how do you get THREE DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS from FRI. SUNDOWN TO early BEFORE SUNRISE sunday to 72 hours.
This alone should BE DISMISSED OR EITHer YOU ARE TRULY DECIEVED into belieivng a different Jesus.
SECONDLY.. WHAT IS YOUR EXPLAINATION on this:
Mark16:1….When the Sabbath WAS OVER, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they MIGHT COME AND ANNOIT HIM.
[Sabbath WAS OVER THEY BOUGHT SPICES]
NEXT DAY AFTER SABBATH WOULD BE SUNDAY?..RIGHT? because OF YOUR opinion of FRIDAY burial.
So how did they BUY SPICES AFTER Sabbath IF THIS IS THE FOLLOWING DAY SUNDAY?
John 20:1 tells us that “on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, WHILE IT WAS STILL DARK, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”
How can she be buying spices and at the same time went to the tomb WHILE STILL DARK?
OR
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And ON THE Sabbath THEY RESTED ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
So if YOU CLAIM a FRIDAY crucifixtion because the NEXT DAY is SATURDAY( Sabbath)
Then why DO the SCRIPTURES CONTRADICT EACH OTHER..?
with YOUR CONCLUSION OF FRIDAY BURIAL and EARLY BEFORE LIGHT resurrection SUNDAY is antichrist.
The bible once again proves this is FALSE by Just these 3 verses of the bible.
AGAIN! simplicity God is not the author of confusion.
Jesus Christ died on WEDNESDAY PREPARATION DAY, THE NEXT DAY WAS A HIGHDAY SABBATH(Mark33-42)
High day CAN BE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, it's called ceromonial sabbathssssss(YEARLY), not the Sabbath(weekly)
Therefore Christ DIED ON WEDNESDAY.
THURSDAY HIGH DAY passed….
FRIDAY Mary bought SPICES…
Saturday Sabbath they rested according to the commandment( WEEKLY)
SUNDAY BEFORE light Jesus was ALREADY RISEN TOMB WAS EMPTY!
we may not know the EXACT TIME, BUT BY THE TIMELINE Mark, Luke and John gave we can see he died on a day BEFORE HIGH DAY Sabbathsssss and they had a day between 2 Sabbaths for they bought spices on THIS DAY, Then early Morning of the FIRST DAY Mary went to see the TOMB.
SUN-FIRST DAY
SAT-they rested ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENTS
Friday-they bought spices
THURS- HIGHDAY
WED-JESUS DIED AND BURIED.
AMEN!
12+12+12=36HRS 3 DAYS THURS. FRIDAY. SAT.
12+12+12=36HRS 3 NIGHTS WED. THURS. FRIDAY!another thing!
{Why would Yeshua wait and hide for 15 hours before appearing to the saints}
1 Peter 3:18-20
(18) For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
(19) through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
(20) who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built…he was dead for three days and three nights, but then he was made alive by the spirit, given a new spiritual body, and in that he preached to the spirits in prison; they’re in chains of darkness (in Jude1:7) awaiting Judgment. Now what did these spirits do that they deserved this Judgment? Well, we learned from 2 Peter and from Jude that they sinned. We learned from Jude that they sinned by leaving their spiritual body and going after another flesh. It says in verse twenty that they disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
SO did Jesus preached AFTER he was ressurected or BEFORE?
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD3068 had prepared4487 a great1419 fish1709 to swallow up1104 (853) Jonah.3124 And Jonah3124 was1961 in the belly4578 of the fish1709 three7969 days3117 and three7969 nights.3915
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
days3117
H3117
יום
yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): – age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.nights.3915
H3915
לילה ליל ליל
layil lêyl layelâh
lah'-yil, lale, lah'-yel-aw
From the same as H3883; properly a twist (away of the light), that is, night; figuratively adversity: – ([mid-]) night (season).Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: [Jon. 1:17]
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Three days is three 12 hour periods of light and three nights three 12 hour periods on darkness.
You can't get any plainer than that!
Sunday is a catholic doctrine to keep with their Sunday sabbath and Easter Sunday. You know Jesus just loved chocolate bunnies that laid eggs.
Is Jesus a liar? OR is the POPE?
Whatever it's your choice.
God bless,
Ken
I am still confused
Matthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
Mr 15:42 – When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Lu 23:54 – It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning
John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, the Jews did not want the bodies left on the cross during the sabbath, especially because that sabbath was a day of great solemnity.
Joh 19:42 -And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.Why do people keep saying Jesus was crucified before the Passover Sabbath? Does not the scripture say he was handed over then, making the day he was crucified on the Passover Sabbath? Then scripture calls that day, the day of Preparation. Could it be that there were two Sabbaths literally back to back?
What are the rules if an annual Sabbath and a weekly Sabbath are back to back? Are people allowed to prepare for the weekly Sabbath on the annual Sabbath?
I “think” it has to do with what it is called. the Passover feast includes the days of unleavened bread and the days of unleavened could include the Passover day.
I THINK, OK?
STT
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“The scriptures are the best record we have”RIGHT! and Jesus said, “Are there not twelve hours in the day?..”
so realistically how do you get THREE DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS from FRI. SUNDOWN TO early BEFORE SUNRISE sunday to 72 hours.
This alone should BE DISMISSED OR EITHer YOU ARE TRULY DECIEVED into belieivng a different Jesus.
You are completely closing your eyes to the truth. It is impossible for Jesus to have risen 72 hours after the crucifixtion and harmonize all of scripture
Literally 3 days & 3 nights = 72 Hours impossible!
After three days Mark 8:31
On the third day Matthew 16:21
on the third day Luke 9:22After three days Mark 9:31
On the third day Matthew 17:23
—After three days Mark 10:34
On the third day Matthew 20:19
on the third day Luke 18:33“On the third day” and “After three days”
are identical and used interchangeably because these two verses are parallel.1.Those who insist that we must literally interpret 3 days & 3 nights = 72 Hours “It is the sign of Jonah” they say, haven’t understood that it is impossible to harmonize LITERALLY all the data.
2.If Jesus was resurrected If he rose AFTER the third day, after 72 hours, then all the above verses would read on the FOURTH day.
3.”On the third day” vs. “after three days” are literally quite different:——>If Jesus raised literally “on the third day”, then the third day was not yet over, it is literally less than 72 hours.
——>If Jesus raised literally “after three days”, then Jesus would have risen sometime literally after 72 hours. But this would be ON THE FOURTH DAY.
1.Notice that the chief priests and Pharisees wanted the tomb guarded only until the third day, because that is when the resurrection was to occur, NOT on the fourth day! And remember, the watch at the tomb began at the end of the seventh day Sabbath, so that it could be guarded for all of the third day, which Sabbatarians say is Saturday. It was at the end of the duration of 3 days, using their own literalness, that guards STOPPED guarding the tomb. This proves that Jesus was going to raise before, not AFTER 72 hours had elapsed!
2.Since we have irrefutable Bible evidence that 3 days & 3 nights may in fact be literally less than 72 hours or 3 days & 2 nights or 3 nights & 2 days (Cornelius: Acts 10:3,9, 23,24,30; Starving servant: 1 Sam. 30:12,13; Queen Esther 4:16; 5:1) we must call into question the literal length of time Jonah was in the sea monster!!! In light of the Bible passages, how can we be sure that Jonah was literally (Roman time thinking) 72 hours in the sea monster??? We come full circle to the well established point that the Jews would have viewed Friday 3 PM http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm#Vto Sunday 6 AM as being 3 days & 3 nights!
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SECONDLY.. WHAT IS YOUR EXPLAINATION on this:Mark16:1….When the Sabbath WAS OVER, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they MIGHT COME AND ANNOIT HIM.
[Sabbath WAS OVER THEY BOUGHT SPICES]
NEXT DAY AFTER SABBATH WOULD BE SUNDAY?..RIGHT? because OF YOUR opinion of FRIDAY burial.
So how did they BUY SPICES AFTER Sabbath IF THIS IS THE FOLLOWING DAY SUNDAY?
John 20:1 tells us that “on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, WHILE IT WAS STILL DARK, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”
How can she be buying spices and at the same time went to the tomb WHILE STILL DARK?
OR
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And ON THE Sabbath THEY RESTED ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
So if YOU CLAIM a FRIDAY crucifixtion because the NEXT DAY is SATURDAY( Sabbath)
Then why DO the SCRIPTURES CONTRADICT EACH OTHER..?
with YOUR CONCLUSION OF FRIDAY BURIAL and EARLY BEFORE LIGHT resurrection SUNDAY is antichrist.
The bible once again proves this is FALSE by Just these 3 verses of the bible.
AGAIN! simplicity God is not the author of confusion.
Exactly, God is not the author of confusion and scriptures do not contradict.
Where do you see in Mark 16:1 “when” Mary bought the spices?
John 20:21 says she already had them. So you are reading into the text.
Here try this translation…
Mk 16:1
And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.No contradiction with John 20:1. So now we don’t have to form some new doctrine, just put the scriptures together.
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Jesus Christ died on WEDNESDAY PREPARATION DAY, THE NEXT DAY WAS A HIGHDAY SABBATH(Mark33-42)High day CAN BE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, it's called ceromonial sabbathssssss(YEARLY), not the Sabbath(weekly)
Therefore Christ DIED ON WEDNESDAY.
THURSDAY HIGH DAY passed….
FRIDAY Mary bought SPICES…
Saturday Sabbath they rested according to the commandment( WEEKLY)
SUNDAY BEFORE light Jesus was ALREADY RISEN TOMB WAS EMPTY!
we may not know the EXACT TIME, BUT BY THE TIMELINE Mark, Luke and John gave we can see he died on a day BEFORE HIGH DAY Sabbathsssss and they had a day between 2 Sabbaths for they bought spices on THIS DAY, Then early Morning of the FIRST DAY Mary went to see the TOMB.
SUN-FIRST DAY
SAT-they rested ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENTS
Friday-they bought spices
THURS- HIGHDAY
WED-JESUS DIED AND BURIED.
AMEN!
12+12+12=36HRS 3 DAYS THURS. FRIDAY. SAT.
12+12+12=36HRS 3 NIGHTS WED. THURS. FRIDAY!Yep. Did you copy and paste this from the WWC.?
No Jesus didn’t die on a Wed as Jodi has pointed out.
So let me do a little copying and pasting!
Problems with Wednesday/Thursday crucifixion and Saturday Resurrection:
A. Saturday Resurrection totally unbiblical
1.The fact that Mary did not anoint body on Friday when she had time, and chose to wait for two more days till Sunday morning to anoint the body.
2.Nisan 10 would also have been a Sabbath and hundreds or thousands of people would have broken the Sabbath on that day by cutting palm branches. Christ also would have broken the Sabbath by making the donkey carry a burden.
3.Another reason this date is not acceptable is because it would have eliminated Christ rising on the day of First Fruits/Wave Sheaf
4.Since you reject that Mk 16:9 gives the actual time of Jesus resurrection, you must accept that the Bible never actually tells us what day Jesus arose. Where is YOUR Bible verse that says (or even hints at) your belief that Jesus was actually raised on Saturday? In light of such emphasis the Bible places upon the first day of the week are you comfortable knowing that you must admit that GOD NEVER SPECIFICALLY TOLD US the day Jesus was raised. We view this as completely unacceptable to consider and believe th
is one fact alone proves that Mk 16:9 is giving the actual time Jesus was raised, rather then just stating that he “had been risen before Sunday and thus was in his resurrected stated on Sunday”.
5.Why did the two men on the road to Emmaus feel that Sunday was “the third day” since Jesus was crucified. How do you account for the fact that these two men were EXPECTING JESUS TO RAISE (Sunday-the third day) that very day they walked on the road while talking to Jesus.
6.How do you explain the fact that the universal uninspired history record of Christians before 300 AD teaches that Jesus died on Friday and was raised on Sunday?
7.If Jesus was in the tomb from Wednesday to Saturday, BUT NO ONE SAW HIM TILL SUNDAY MORNING, then no man was really a true to the fact that Jesus was not in the tomb LONGER THAN 72 hours or 3 1/2 days literal days if Jesus died on Wednesday, and was resurrected at 3:00 PM on Saturday, He was in the ground 4 days and 3 nights as the Jews counted time?
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another thing!{Why would Yeshua wait and hide for 15 hours before appearing to the saints}
1 Peter 3:18-20
(18) For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
(19) through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
(20) who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built…he was dead for three days and three nights, but then he was made alive by the spirit, given a new spiritual body, and in that he preached to the spirits in prison; they’re in chains of darkness (in Jude1:7) awaiting Judgment. Now what did these spirits do that they deserved this Judgment? Well, we learned from 2 Peter and from Jude that they sinned. We learned from Jude that they sinned by leaving their spiritual body and going after another flesh. It says in verse twenty that they disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.
SO did Jesus preached AFTER he was ressurected or BEFORE?
Wow. This is the best one yet. Jesus before he ascended to his Father in which he had told Mary “Touch me not”, went to a desecrated place called hades in the flesh.
What does this scripture mean to you…
Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.If his flesh did not suffer corruption, then why did he need a new body? What was that that came out of the tomb, a Spirit?
Do you know of any place in scripture that says flesh goes to Hades?
Jesus, “The ressurection and the life” told his disciples that he that liveth and believeth in him would never die. Now we know their bodys died, but their Spirits went into paradise. If they didn’t spiritually die then neither did the “Eternal Spirit” Yeshua die. He simply left the flesh tent and went to Hades.
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.2 Cor 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:2 Cor 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.Did Jesus preach to the Spirits after his resurrection or before. The resurrection was his Body that died when he gave the life of his flesh on the cross and he exited his body and went to Hades as the scriptures teach.
You are right. We apparently do not serve the same Jesus.
Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 27 2007,15:05) I am still confused Matthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
Mr 15:42 – When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Lu 23:54 – It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning
John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, the Jews did not want the bodies left on the cross during the sabbath, especially because that sabbath was a day of great solemnity.
Joh 19:42 -And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.Why do people keep saying Jesus was crucified before the Passover Sabbath? Does not the scripture say he was handed over then, making the day he was crucified on the Passover Sabbath? Then scripture calls that day, the day of Preparation. Could it be that there were two Sabbaths literally back to back?
What are the rules if an annual Sabbath and a weekly Sabbath are back to back? Are people allowed to prepare for the weekly Sabbath on the annual Sabbath?
Jodi,
The Passover is not a Sabbath. It is preparation day for the Sabbath of Unleavenec bread and the day the sacrifice was made.One of my previous poss explaines those verses you posted. Passover is always on the 14th day of the month of Abib (Aviv) and The High Sabbath Frest of Unleavened Bread is always on the 14th day of Abib, no matter what day of the week they fall on.
Also it is important to note that another High Sabbath was made full, when Y'shua returned to His Father. The Feast of the First Fruits offering is always following the first day after the Weekly Sabbath after The First Day of Unleavened Bread.
I won't post the verses since I don't have them memorized BUT, Remember when Y'shua was first seen? He said, “Do not touch me for I have not been to My Father.
Later He meets Tomas (doubting Tomas). Now Y'shua says to Tomas, “Touch Me, put your finger in the nail mark on My hand.
So some time after He was raised from the tomb, and the time He met Tomas, He went to His Father!!! This happene on the first day of the week according to the Feast of the First Fruit Offering!!! He was the first to be raised feom the dead, and gone to the Father as the First Fruit!!
Cool Huh?
So this aslo fits with the Wed-Sabbath burial and resurrection.
Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 26 2007,22:05) I am still confused Matthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
Mr 15:42 – When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Lu 23:54 – It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning
John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, the Jews did not want the bodies left on the cross during the sabbath, especially because that sabbath was a day of great solemnity.
Joh 19:42 -And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.Why do people keep saying Jesus was crucified before the Passover Sabbath? Does not the scripture say he was handed over then, making the day he was crucified on the Passover Sabbath? Then scripture calls that day, the day of Preparation. Could it be that there were two Sabbaths literally back to back?
What are the rules if an annual Sabbath and a weekly Sabbath are back to back? Are people allowed to prepare for the weekly Sabbath on the annual Sabbath?
In the synoptics, Jesus shares the Passover Seder with his disciples. In John he does not but the Passover Seder is one the day of his crucifixion. That is one source of your confusion. So you have to figure out which day he was supposedly crucified on before you can narrow down the actual days.Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Why would they eat the Passover if the Seder was the previous night according to the synoptics? Because John goes out of his way to make Jesus into the Passover Lamb while the synoptics do not even attempt to make such an assertion.
Jodi,
Here is the explanation you needed, hope it straightens things out for you.
LaurelFrom my previous post:
Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.I would like to point out int Mat. 26:2 that the “Feast is Unleavened Bread” and falls the day after Passover Day. The word Passover in Mat. 26:2 denotes the “Passover season” which includes Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and the Conclusion of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which are all High Sabbaths, except Passover, which is the “Preparation Day” of the first day of Unleavened Bread.
Let's look at another verse:
Mar 14:1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
Here we see more clearly it was two days from the feast of Unleavened Bread.Let's look at the Torah for more detail:
Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
Feast of Unleavened Bread back in Genesis!!
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Officially the 14th of abib is Passover, and the 15th day is Unleavened Bread.
Mat 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
This verse , translated incorrectly (check Strong's), actually says it was the beginning of the week of Passover, and His taught ones asked Him where to prepare for it. It was most likely the first day of the week, because Tuesday evening was their (Lord's Supper) breaking bread and drinking the wine together, of which Y'shua had none. It was Him teaching us how to remember Him and the Passover until His return.
So the Lord's Supper was on the 13th at evening which actually was the beginning of Passover the 14th while it was still dark. We call this time of day “between the evenings.”
Y'shua was betrayed this night, and brought before Pilot by Herod.Still Passsover Day (Abib 14, Wednesday on the Roman calander)He was nailed to the tree. That afternoon, late, He died, according to Scripture and the Torah.
He was in the tomb “exactly” three nights and three days, according to Scripture!
He rose on the weekly Sabbath, just before dark, exactly 72 hours from being placed in the tomb.
This is His only sign that prooves He is the Messiah. Want to save a Jew? Learn the Truth!!!
If it actually were the first day of Unleavened Bread, the Passover would have already been slaughtered and eaten!
Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,19:38) Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 26 2007,22:05) I am still confused Matthew 26:17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
Mr 15:42 – When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Lu 23:54 – It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning
John 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, the Jews did not want the bodies left on the cross during the sabbath, especially because that sabbath was a day of great solemnity.
Joh 19:42 -And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.Why do people keep saying Jesus was crucified before the Passover Sabbath? Does not the scripture say he was handed over then, making the day he was crucified on the Passover Sabbath? Then scripture calls that day, the day of Preparation. Could it be that there were two Sabbaths literally back to back?
What are the rules if an annual Sabbath and a weekly Sabbath are back to back? Are people allowed to prepare for the weekly Sabbath on the annual Sabbath?
In the synoptics, Jesus shares the Passover Seder with his disciples. In John he does not but the Passover Seder is one the day of his crucifixion. That is one source of your confusion. So you have to figure out which day he was supposedly crucified on before you can narrow down the actual days.Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Why would they eat the Passover if the Seder was the previous night according to the synoptics? Because John goes out of his way to make Jesus into the Passover Lamb while the synoptics do not even attempt to make such an assertion.
Tow,
John 18:28Unless of course they had already shared THIS Passover with Y'shua and He had not been sacrificed yet, at wich time they can say they had “symbolically” eaten the Passover.
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