Three days and three nights

[kenrch]

Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 28 2007,06:53)

Ken, First question… Does it matter when the stone was rolled away, as long as it was after the Sabbath? The stone was not rolled away when He came out. He passed through the stone. Why do you suppose they did not recognise Him at first and that He could not be touched? Second question… The Sabbath time of day of His resurrection from the tomb had to be the “exact” time relative to the exact time He was put in the tomb. Do you believe Scripture can be fulfilled if it were not exact? Just as the Passover and Unleavened Bread were fulfilled by Messiah, the First Fruits offering must also be fulfilled to the very exact Way it was written in the OT. So He must be “restored” as the first fruit offering on the first day after the weekly Sabbath following Unleavened Bread. This “always” falls on the first day of the week. Not only do we have the 2 Sabbaths to overcome, but we have the resurrection and the assention when He was restored, to overcome also. I think the KJV used the word “ressurection” in both cases, which only confuses the “unlearned” of the OT Scriptures.

Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

So the angel rolled the stone away so Mary could look in? What was the earthquake about?

OK with me! I don't need a sign. I know, because HE said he would be in the heart of the earth three days and nights that HE was!

Now He was resurrected on the Sabbath~OK~!

He was resurrected on the first day~OK~!

What matters is keeping the commandments of God and faith in Jesus, Rev. 14:12.

Love you Sis,

Ken

[Jodi]

What does the wicked and adulterous generation LEARN from a sign such as being in the 'grave' three days and three nights?

What was the sign and the likeneness to Jonah suppose to prove? Was it to prove that Jesus was the true Messiah, the true Saviour?

If the sign was to prove such, how does TIME in the grave, likened to Jonah in the belly of the whale, do such a thing?

Moreover, can it even be scripturally PROVEN that 'heart of the earth” represents the grave?

Please Kenrch, Laurel and IM4Truth answer these questions.

[kenrch]

Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 28 2007,15:33)

What does the wicked and adulterous generation LEARN from a sign such as being in the 'grave' three days and three nights? What was the sign and the likeneness to Jonah suppose to prove? Was it to prove that Jesus was the true Messiah, the true Saviour? If the sign was to prove such, how does TIME in the grave, likened to Jonah in the belly of the whale, do such a thing? Moreover, can it even be scripturally PROVEN that 'heart of the earth” represents the grave? Please Kenrch, Laurel and IM4Truth answer these questions.

Jodi as I said I don't need a sign.

Jesus gave a sign to an evil generation. Jesus said (in effect) If I'm the Messiah I will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Jesus gave Jonah as an example “Just as Jonah was in the “sea monster” three days and three nights so shall the son of man be.

So if you believe Jonah was in the belly so Jesus was in the heart of the earth.

What else could heart of the earth mean but the grave? If the earth had a heart where would that be?

What matters Jodi is the keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus, Rev. 14:12; 12:17.

[IM4Truth]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 28 2007,16:06)

Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 28 2007,15:33) What does the wicked and adulterous generation LEARN from a sign such as being in the 'grave' three days and three nights? What was the sign and the likeneness to Jonah suppose to prove? Was it to prove that Jesus was the true Messiah, the true Saviour? If the sign was to prove such, how does TIME in the grave, likened to Jonah in the belly of the whale, do such a thing? Moreover, can it even be scripturally PROVEN that 'heart of the earth” represents the grave? Please Kenrch, Laurel and IM4Truth answer these questions. Jodi as I said I don't need a sign. Jesus gave a sign to an evil generation.  Jesus said (in effect) If I'm the Messiah I will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. Jesus gave Jonah as an example “Just as Jonah was in the “sea monster” three days and three nights so shall the son of man be. So if you believe Jonah was in the belly so Jesus was in the heart of the earth. What else could heart of the earth mean but the grave?  If the earth had a heart where would that be? What matters Jodi is the keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus, Rev. 14:12; 12:17.

Jodi I agree with Ken on this. As far as the Heart of the earth is concerned you asked that before. The Heart is inside, so was Jesus. Inside the earth. Earth-Grave.. End of story for me. And I hope end of story for you.

Peace and Love Mrs.

[Jodi]

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 27 2007,21:06)

Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 28 2007,15:33) What does the wicked and adulterous generation LEARN from a sign such as being in the 'grave' three days and three nights? What was the sign and the likeneness to Jonah suppose to prove? Was it to prove that Jesus was the true Messiah, the true Saviour? If the sign was to prove such, how does TIME in the grave, likened to Jonah in the belly of the whale, do such a thing? Moreover, can it even be scripturally PROVEN that 'heart of the earth” represents the grave? Please Kenrch, Laurel and IM4Truth answer these questions. Jodi as I said I don't need a sign. Jesus gave a sign to an evil generation. Jesus said (in effect) If I'm the Messiah I will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. Jesus gave Jonah as an example “Just as Jonah was in the “sea monster” three days and three nights so shall the son of man be. So if you believe Jonah was in the belly so Jesus was in the heart of the earth. What else could heart of the earth mean but the grave? If the earth had a heart where would that be? What matters Jodi is the keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus, Rev. 14:12; 12:17.

I know YOU don't need a sign, Kenrch and IM4Truth

Could you guys PLEASE LISTEN!

I asked what the sign was suppose to prove to the wicked generation.

Kenrch you might not need a sign, but you are certainly part of a wicked generation are you not? Was Jesus not giving a sign to a wicked generation? It should be clear to the humble that any lesson given by Jesus, more then likely, has great meaning and application to all.

It appears you are averting my question because you don't have an answer. Or maybe, because you believe Jesus' message does not apply to you, you haven't really taken the time to find all the hidden meaning in it.

You said what matters is that we follow God's commandments and that we have faith in Jesus. Jesus likening himslelf to Jonah, teaches us something significant. I don't believe that Jesus did such a thing only to reveal a matter of time. I want to know Jesus as best as possible, this is a good thing if you are to have faith in him. Regardless of who the sign is for, I believe that Jesus wanted all to pay close attention to his comparison to Jonah, and more was given then three days and three nights. If you'd care to look.

[IM4Truth]

Jodi! I don't know what else to say to you about this subject, but that Jesus did stay in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. The next morning when the woman came to the grave He had risen already. It says an adulterous generation asks. I am not asking, if you are then you have to prove it somehow to yourself. What I know is enough for me. If you do not think that being in the Heart of the earth means in the grave, I can not say anything to that. I belief it is the grave. Your Heart is inside and any time some one speaks of the heart of something they talk about an inside. Was Jonah inside the belly of the Whale? Yes, so was Jesus in the heart of the earth. Is that not prove enough? The time period also lines up. What other significant the comparision has, I don't know. If you do then let us know. This is almost as good or bad however you see it, as the trinity tread. 35 pages  

Peace and Love Mrs.

[kenrch]

Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 29 2007,07:24)

Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 27 2007,21:06) Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 28 2007,15:33) What does the wicked and adulterous generation LEARN from a sign such as being in the 'grave' three days and three nights? What was the sign and the likeneness to Jonah suppose to prove? Was it to prove that Jesus was the true Messiah, the true Saviour? If the sign was to prove such, how does TIME in the grave, likened to Jonah in the belly of the whale, do such a thing? Moreover, can it even be scripturally PROVEN that 'heart of the earth” represents the grave? Please Kenrch, Laurel and IM4Truth answer these questions. Jodi as I said I don't need a sign. Jesus gave a sign to an evil generation. Jesus said (in effect) If I'm the Messiah I will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. Jesus gave Jonah as an example “Just as Jonah was in the “sea monster” three days and three nights so shall the son of man be. So if you believe Jonah was in the belly so Jesus was in the heart of the earth. What else could heart of the earth mean but the grave? If the earth had a heart where would that be? What matters Jodi is the keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus, Rev. 14:12; 12:17. I know YOU don't need a sign, Kenrch and IM4Truth Could you guys PLEASE LISTEN! I asked what the sign was suppose to prove to the wicked generation. Kenrch you might not need a sign, but you are certainly part of a wicked generation are you not? Was Jesus not giving a sign to a wicked generation? It should be clear to the humble that any lesson given by Jesus, more then likely, has great meaning and application to all. It appears you are averting my question because you don't have an answer. Or maybe, because you believe Jesus' message does not apply to you, you haven't really taken the time to find all the hidden meaning in it. You said what matters is that we follow God's commandments and that we have faith in Jesus. Jesus likening himslelf to Jonah, teaches us something significant. I don't believe that Jesus did such a thing only to reveal a matter of time. I want to know Jesus as best as possible, this is a good thing if you are to have faith in him. Regardless of who the sign is for, I believe that Jesus wanted all to pay close attention to his comparison to Jonah, and more was given then three days and three nights. If you'd care to look.

Jodi what do you want me to do…make something up!

I answered your question the best I could. Is their some sort of secret meaning? It doesn't seem to be a parable.

The SIGN Jesus said HE was to give that HE IS the Messiah is that HE would be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights, period! Why does there need to be a secret meaning?

Sorry I didn't help you.

Ken

[Jodi]

Though I was planning on finishing my post about the sign Jesus gave in relation to Jonah and the 'heart of the earth', and get it posted, I discovered this yesterday and wanted to post it first.

I believe I have found the source of confusion between the different Passover celebrations in the NT. If you carefully study in the Old Testament all incidents where the Passover is mentioned and critically compare them with one another you will find that God CHANGED certain aspects of it’s observance, including the day it is observed.

What we have in the New Testament are two different groups keeping two different Passovers. Jesus kept the ORIGINAL PASSOVER, and by original I mean the Passover recorded in Exodus 12, and the Pharisees and Sadducees kept the Passover according to Deuteronomy 16.

Jesus and the disciples were keeping a true Passover, and as well, the other Jews were keeping a true Passover.

What first noted my attention was a paper I found online discussing the differences between the Passovers spoken in different places in the OT. These differences are quite significant.

For ONE, in the original Passover, given to us in Exodus 12, the people were to keep the Passover in the home. Jesus and the disciples kept their Passover in the home. In Deuteronomy we see that God instituted having Passover occur for all in one designated place. So of course this is why we see in the NT the majority of Jews keeping Passover in Jerusalem at the temple.

Exodus 12:6 You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month; then the whole assembled congregation of Israel shall slaughter it at twilight. 7 They shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it. 8 They shall eat the lamb that same night; they shall eat it roasted over the fire with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

Exodus 12:22 And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning.

Deuteronomy 16:5 You must not sacrifice the Passover in any town the Lord your God gives you 6 except in the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name. There you must sacrifice the Passover in the evening, when the sun goes down, on the anniversary of your departure from Egypt. 7 Roast it and eat it at the place the Lord your God will choose. Then in the morning return to your tents.

Not only does Deuteronomy show that Passover is no longer to be kept in the home, but as well and quite significantly, we are told that the Israelites were to keep the Passover the day after it's original time. Passover was now to be kept on the evening of the anniversary of when they left Egypt.

Numbers 33:2 Now Moses wrote down the starting points of their journeys at the command of the Lord. And these are their journeys according to their starting points: 3 They departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with boldness in the sight of all the Egyptians.

There is no more confusion as to the Passovers being kept in the NT. Just as I felt all along Jesus was keeping a true Passover, and not a mock one. It does seem quite fitting that God would change it in order that Christ could keep it and at the same time fulfill it according to when the majority of Jews were then observing it.

Jesus and his disciples kept the Passover meal during the beginning of the 14th according to the original Passover and the majority of the Jews kept it according to Deuteronomy, at the beginning of the 15th.

This does indeed seem to solve many problems, especially between John's account verses the other three Gospels. As well as the confusion regarding Jesus being crucified on a preparation day.

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