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December 6, 2007 at 12:37 am#74031

942767

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Hi Laurel:

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94Bishop,
Matt. 26:17 Can not possibly be the first day of unleavened breab, because Unleavened Bread is the 15th. The lambs were slain on the 14th by the Torah.

Matthew 26:17

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17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

This is referring to the 1st day of Passover which is the 14th because the following scripture indicates this:

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Matt. 26:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, 2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

But then what has that to do with Jesus being resurrected on the Sabbath. If there is no scripture to justify your claim, then you are adding to scripture. I'll stick to what the scriptures have revealed to me. What we believe relative to God's Word must be supported by scripture.

Again, I respect your opinion, and your zeal in serving the Lord, but I am satisfied that God has revealed to me what I have stated relative to these events. To be sure, I have struggled to understand this so that all the gospels are in agreement, and I believe that I have shown that they do agree.

God Bless

94 The Passover feasts included Passover day. So when you said Passover the feasts of unleavened bread is included. And when you said the first day of unleavened bread that would be Passover day. The feasts of Passover included the feasts of unleavened bread. The days of unleavened bread are part of the Passover.

Passover day was the day they slaughtered the lamb. The last supper was in the beginning of The passover day which was evening. Passover day is NOT a Sabbath, the next day the 15th was an “annual Sabbath, a HIGH day”.

Why is it that the false sabbath, which the harlot claims was the same day as the resurrection day, has bunny rabbits that lay eggs?

The forth commandment is the Seventh day the same day that God Himself kept. So if you keep HIS day you keep the Same day Jesus was resurrected. The RCC tries to claim the same but with the first day. Again we have a choice God's day or the Popes day.

Please let us keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus, Rev. 14 :12.

God bless,

Ken

Hi Ken:

Please read what I have posted. I have given scripture to support what I believe.

If there is a scripture which shows that Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath day, please post it otherwise the subject is closed from my perspective.

I do keep the commandments. Are you the example of how I should keep them or is Jesus? And is he the judge or are you?

Ken, you have already stated what you believe. It is not necessary to keep repeating it over and over again.

Jesus said, not Paul or any other apostle. This came from the master Himself.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

There is no way anyone can get three days and three nights from Friday to Sunday morning.

Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

A simple move of the comma puts Mark agreeing with the other gospels. The tomb was found EMPTY on the first day.

Just as the move of a comma makes this scripture make sense.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day , shalt thou be with me in paradise.

If the commas are in the correct place then the scriptures do not agree with the rest of the bible on their subject.

Jesus said it, I believe it, I do not believe the POPE!

But remember what matters is the keeping of God's commandments and faith in Jesus.

What scripture says that Jesus was resurrected on the first day?

Hi Ken:

You can cange the comma in the following verse to make it say what you want as you say:

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Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day , shalt thou be with me in paradise.

But what are you going to do with the following verse:

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Luke 24:19
And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in * * deed and word before God and all the people:
24:20
And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
24:21
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside * * all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

But you nor Laurel still have not given me scripture saying that Jesus was raised from the dead on the Sabbath.

December 6, 2007 at 12:43 am#74032

942767

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PS. 94Bishop,
You will be stuck in “Egypt or Babylon” until you see this. It is that important!

Abraham left Babylon, Israel left Eqypt, we leave Rome according to Daniel's interpretation of Nebuchadnezzer's dream.

Now if Constantine would have left Greece in his day, the church would not be in such a mess today, just like Israel back in the day of Jeraboam. Our father's have inherited lies!

Hi Laurel:

I also left Egypt when I was born again, and I am not going to be brought back into bondage by any man or doctrine. While it is true that I can make a mistake, if I need understanding on any scripture or doctrine, I know that I can pray and ask God for the understanding and He will give it to me.

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James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
1:6
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
1:7
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
1:8
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

December 6, 2007 at 4:13 am#74058

IM4Truth

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I Just want to make sure I am reading people right.

Gene, Laurel, IM4Truth, and 942767

Are you saying that the Lambs are killed at twilight between the 13th and the 14th?

Given these following scriptures, wouldn't that be incorrect.

Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.

If the end of the 13th beginning of the 14th is when the lambs are killed and that is the beginning of eating unleavened bread, then wouldn't that make the DAY of the 14th the First DAY of Unleavened Bread?

The bible is clear however saying that the first DAY of Unleavened Bread is the 15th.

Lev 23:6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.

Num 28:17 On the fifteenth day of this month there is to be a festival; for seven days eat bread made without yeast. 18 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.

The fact that we are told the first DAY of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th CLARIFIES that the lamb is killed at the end of the 14th and not at the beginning.

Hi Jodi:

I am saying that the lambs are killed at twilight on the 14th.

God Bless

Hello 942767

The whole sunset to sunset thing I think can be a little confusing –

I still need you to clarify-

You are meaning then at the end of the 14th and not at the beginning, correct?

Yes Jodi:

That is correct. The lambs were killed at twilight on the 14th and the passover was eaten on the 15th. Jesus is our passover lamb although he was crucified on the 14th at noon and died on that day at 3PM.

But I believe that you are saying that you do not understand what has been said about the meal that Jesus ate with his disciples prior to his being crucified.

Jesus told his disciples to go and prepare the passover. I take that to mean the place where he was to eat the passover with them, and they ate that meal at the beginning of the 14th in the evening. He used this meal to show symbolically that he was the passover. The passover lambs had not been killed and so they were not eating lamb.

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Luke 22

1 Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, was approaching, 2 and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some way to get rid of Jesus, for they were afraid of the people. 3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. 4 And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. 5 They were delighted and agreed to give him money. 6 He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.

7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.” 9 “Where do you want us to prepare for it?” they asked. 10 He replied, “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, 11 and say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' 12 He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there.” 13 They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” 17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed, but woe to that man who betrays him.”

They were in the place that was prepared for the passover, but Jesus knew that he was the passover lamb that would be killed in their and our behalf later that same day.

God Bless

942767 You are saying that Christ died at 3:00 in the afternoon. So if you count 3 days and 3 nights that brings you to Saturday at 3:00 in the afternoon. But you do not belief in a Saturday resurrection? I do.

Preace and Love Mrs.

December 6, 2007 at 7:58 am#74073

Laurel

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I pray you please read carefully and with an open mind-

Passover represents the day God freed the Israelites by the killing of the Pharaoh’s son through striking all houses except those with blood on the doors, with a curse of death to all firstborn children.

On the 14th the Israelites were to prepare for God’s wrath so that it may pass from them. In order for the curse to pass they needed to slaughter a lamb and wipe their door with blood. They were instructed to do this at the end of the 14th day.

The slaying of the lambs were in PREPERATION for the PASSOVER. The slaying of the lambs was not the actual Passover. The actual Passover, is OBVIOUSLY when God was killing innocent firstborn children, but PASSING OVER the houses that had blood.

When the lambs were slain, what happened at that time…nothing except placing blood on the doors. It was not until around midnight that the houses with blood God PASSED OVER not giving the curse, and it was that curse that brought the Israelites to freedom.

Was killing Jesus in PREPERATION FOR God freeing us from our sins? No of course not.

Indeed Jesus is referred to as being a sacrificed unblemished lamb, however that does not mean that he fulfills the Passover by representing the lambs that were killed on the 14th. Nowhere in the bible are we told such a thing. If this were true it would only make Jesus’ death the preparation for God’s Passover.

Now who here wants to admit that Jesus’ sacrifice was only for preparation for God’s work to free us from sin?

The blood of the lambs were smeared on the doors. The lambs being slain was not the act that FREED the Israelites. God killing Pharaoh’s innocent child later in the night was the act that freed them.

On the 14th the disciples PREPARED for the Passover, if Jesus is going to be the actual Passover, it is not at the time the lambs were slaughtered but at the time that God began the actual act of the PASSING OVER, which occurred around midnight on the 15th.

Jesus, to be the fulfillment of the Passover did not need to replace the lambs that were sacrificed for preparation, he needed to be the innocent firstborn child that was killed in the night early on the 15th. However, it is not solely by Jesus’ death that we are freed, but the bible is clear that it starts with his suffering.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the punishment that made us whole, and by his bruises we are healed.

We see in Mark that shortly after Jesus being taken into custody he is inflicted.

Mark 22:63 Now the men who were holding Jesus in custody were mocking Him and beating Him,

When Jesus began to be beaten and bruised our transgressions were being forgiven, and we were being freed. The passing over of death occurred during the night of the 15th for the Israelites, and that curse that passed over is what freed them. Our freedom from sin starts when Jesus is betrayed and is being mocked and beaten.

We are told in Matthew, Mark and Luke that Christ kept the Passover meal with his disciples. The Gospel of John tells us that the High Priests were keeping the Passover the day after.

As Jesus prepared to be the innocent firstborn to die, and the disciples prepared for their freedom from sin they fellowshipped together over the Passover meal at the beginning of the 15th. Jesus at this time instituted a new way of looking at and keeping the Passover meal. In remembrance of Jesus’ suffering and death we are to share broken bread and drink wine.

Passover is not the sacrificing of the lambs, Passover is not the meal, Passover is when God killed the Pharaoh's firstborn son, and PASSED OVER the sons in the houses with blood.

ThursDAY 14th- Disciples prepared for the Passover meal
Friday 15th -Jesus and the disciples keep the New Passover meal that Jesus institutes/ Jesus is betrayed and handed over quickly becoming sin for us and being made to suffer
FriDAY 15th- Jesus affliction continues where he is crucified, he dies and is placed in the tomb.
Saturday 16th- Jesus sleeps the sleep of death in his tomb
Sunday 17th- Jesus is resurrected as the Firstfruit from the dead, exactly three days after he began to suffer and from the time our sins were beginning to be paid for.

1Co 15:20 – But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

1Co 15:23 – But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Jesus is the firstfruits out of the dead. It would seem logical that he be raised on the day of firstfruits, the Sunday of Passover week.

If you want Old Testament fulfillment, WELL HERE IT IS!

It is amazing how people seem to put blinders on all for the literal interpretation of three days and three nights, being unable to see the true meaning of the sign. Some seem to be doing so just in order to prove the Harlot church wrong. Hate indeed can blind us from the truth.

They are completely missing the substance of Jesus as our Passover, not the slain lambs on the 14th, but the innocent firstborn on the 15th. Not three days and three nights being dead, but as Jonah who suffered, learned obedience and saved souls.

You think too much.

December 6, 2007 at 7:58 am#74074

Worshipping Jesus

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You are correct. Amazing how the thing they accuse others for, not leaving (RCC) is the same thing that has gripped them with fear to where they cant even accept the truth about the ressurection for fear of partaking of her deeds.

I repeat a previous post to STT.

If you hold to a litteral 72 Hours, then give me “your” explanation of these scriptures. How do they fit into your WWC doctrine that he was crucified on a wednesday.

How do you reconcile all the scriptures that indicate it could not have been litterally 72 hours.

If Jesus was meaning a litteral 72 hr period, then please explain the following…

Lk 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

LK 24:13
And, behold, two of them went that *same day* (the 1st day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, **to day is the third day** (1st day of the week) since these things were done.

Lukes account clearly shows that on the same day the “first day of the week“, Sunday, when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, is when the disciples spoke with Yeshua in which they said…

to day is the third day since these things were done.

This account proves 2 things.

1. Yeshua rose on Sunday confirming Marks account.

2. It was the “Third day” after his betrayal, crucifixion, death, and burial, the first day of the week that he arose and appeared to the disciples, which also confirms Marks account.

Mk 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Jesus also said…

Lk 13:32
And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.'
33 Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.

Jesus is telling us here what he meant by three days or third day.

Example is if he made this statement on Wednesday, it would read…

And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today (Wed) and tomorrow (Thur), and the third day (Fri) I reach My goal.'

So Jesus own words for 3 days is not 72 hours. He includes the current day as one day.

Using that principle, He was crucified and buried on Friday,(1st day), Saturday, (2nd day), Raised, Sunday, (3rd day).

Yeshua also would have had to rise on Sunday the first day of the week for these reasons…

A. Day of first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday:
1. New Bible dictionary, Passover:
o“The Sadducees celebrated it on the 50th day (inclusive reckoning) from the first Sunday after Passover (taking the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 to be the weekly Sabbath); their reckoning regulated the public observance so long as the Temple stood, and the church is therefore justified in commemorating the first Christian Pentecost on a Sunday (Whit Sunday). The Pharisees, however, interpreted the ‘Sabbath’ of Lv. 23:15 as the Festival of Unleavened Bread (cf. Lv. 23:7), and their reckoning became normative in Judaism after ad 70, so that in the Jewish calendar Pentecost now falls on various days of the week.” (New Bible dictionary, Passover)
2. Still fell on Sunday in 33 AD!
oEven if the Sabbath of Lev 23:11&15 is not the weekly Sabbath, but a reference to the first day of unleavened bread, being the Sabbath, the Wave/ sheaf/ First fruits offering AND Pentecost still fell on Sunday in 33 AD, the year Jesus was crucified!!!
oThose who say Jesus was crucified on a Thursday or Wednesday cannot absolutely guarantee that first fruits and Pentecost always fell on a Sunday because they must use a different year (ie. 30 AD) in which Nisan 14 would not fall on a Friday.

B. Passover the type of Christ’s crucifixion
1.Friday: Exodus = Passover meal = Christ crucified type of the crucifixion day Nisan 14

C. Wave/ sheaf/ first fruits the type of Christ’s resurrection
1.1 Cor 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
2.Sunday: First fruits = Christ raised (the Omer, or day of first fruits, a clear type of the resurrection day, but not a Sabbath day!) Lev 23:10-12
3.The Israelites were instructed to be ready to leave Egypt at daybreak on the 15th (morning of the 15th). (Ex 12:1-13) They then traveled day and night for the next few days first to Etham and then to Pi Hahiroth where they encamped by the sea. (Ex 13:20-14:2) After the Egyptians appeared, the Lord parted the Red Sea all that night (Ex 14:21) from which the Israelites emerged on the other side as the day was dawning and at which time the sea covered the Egyptians. (Ex 14:27) This event is a shadow of the fulfillment of the day of First Fruits. Therefore the people of Israel were “saved” by coming through the Red Sea on the same day of the year and same time of day that Jesus rose from the dead as the “savior” of all who will turn to him–Nisan 17, before dawn.
http://www.bible.ca/d-3-days-and-3-nights.htm#III

Yeshua is the first fruit of the New Creation. The number 8 is the number of the circumcision and means “New Beginnings”.
The eigth day is a Sunday anyway you cut it.

To harmonize all scriptures you have to take all scriptures and compare them and weave them together without contradiction.

If you hold to your doctrine then you have contradictions.

Blessings.

December 6, 2007 at 9:25 am#74082

IM4Truth

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W.J. The only sign that an Adulterer's Generation is getting, that the Son of man was in the grave 3nights and 3 days like Jonah was in the Belly of the fish 3 nights and 3 day. You have to understand that the Jewish people did not absolutely anything on the Sabbath and that is why scriptures say that they went after the Sabbath. But if you want to believe other scriptures that indicate when He died according to scriptures given, Jesus was resurrected 3 days and 3 night after He died. By scriptures we know when He died and 3 days and 3 nights later brings us to Saturday afternoon. Not on Sunday.

Peace and Love Mrs.

December 6, 2007 at 2:31 pm#74085

kenrch

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Passover day:
Last supper–Tuesday night the Jewish Wednesday

Our Lord crucified WednesDAY

First day of unleavened bread:
Our Wednesday NIGHT (the beginning of the Jewish Thursday) was the Jewish Annual Sabbath, the first day of unleavened bread.

After the Annual Sabbath:

After this Sabbath (the first day of unleavened bread, THURSDAY) Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

“Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.”

When the “ANNUAL SABBATH, THE FIRST DAY OF UNLEAVENED BREAD WAS OVER, MARY AND COMPANY BOUGHT SPICES TO ANOINT JESUS' BODY.”

Friday they bought the spices the next day was the WEEKLY Sabbath.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

1) The last supper was the BEGINNING of the Passover, Tuesday night OR the Jewish Wednesday.

2) Passover DAY Jesus was crucified.

3) The next day the Jewish Thursday (our Wednesday night) Began the First day of unleavened bread An Annual Sabbath or HIGH DAY, John 19:31.

4) Thursday was the annual Sabbath, the first day of unleaved bread.

5) Friday, after the Annual Sabbath Mary bought and prepared the Spices to anoint Jesus' body, Mark 16:1.

6) The next day Saturday the Seventh day was the weekly Sabbath so keeping with GOD's Commandment They rested.

7) Early on the FIRST DAY they found the tomb EMPTY. He HAS RISEN!

We know that all the gospels say the same thing, BUT NOT THE SAME WAY.

What the scriptures say is that Jesus was in the tomb Three days and three nights AS JESUS SAID.

You will believe (“no matter what the scriptures say”) however what you want. WHY? Because you set aside the forth commandment in order to keep to your tradition. The doctrines and commandments of men.

God's day, HIS SABBATH, Jesus' resurrection day, is the seventh day.

The Pope's day is a false Sabbath (man's day) The RCC admits changing the Sabbath day. In keeping with their false sabbath the first day they say (NOT SCRIPTURE) that Jesus was raised on the first day. On this day (the false resurrection and sabbath day) An amazing thing happens Bunny rabbits LAY EGGS!
I'm sure the Father and Son are proud of these men who have changed HIS Sabbath and the Resurrection day the first born Son!

SO the Call goes out!

“Come out of her MY PEOPLE! Rev.18:4!

Again:

[I]WHAT MATTERS IS THE KEEPING OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND FAITH IN JESUS. Rev 14:12, 1Cor. 7:19, Rev 12:17

Peace and blessings,

Ken

December 6, 2007 at 6:06 pm#74088

IM4Truth

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