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I don't care about the RCC and there made up Sabbath. Even if Jesus were to be raised on Sunday, I don't see how that gives them the right to change it.I agree with you. Most Christians may see Sunday as a day of celebration and worship as every day should be. But I dont see where most say that Sunday is the new Sabbath.
Sunday worship is not the Christian Sabbath.
It seems because of the RCC there are so many afraid to call sunday a time of worship or gathering because of fear of what the RCC said.
The NT saints gathered together every day.
One here even calls Sunday the day of the sun-god. Well no day belongs to a sun-god.
David said…”this is the day that the Lord has made”, so all days are Gods and we should worship him everyday.
Whos cares what the RCC says.
Very good points WJ!I caught that comment before, 'no day belongs to a sun-god', I think you were talking to Laurel.
All days are the Lord's Days!
You could not be more right about people being afraid. People talking about not putting candles on a cake, and things like that, worrying about certain things pagans did. Pagans probably brought flowers into their home as a form of worship to their gods. So we might as well not do that either. Absurdity.
It's too bad that those Christian's who worship every single day of the week refuse to make the Sabbath day their day of rest. YHWH commanded it, and it stands. He does not change to suit you, we change to suit Him.If you do not agree to this “New Covenant” so be it.
Laurel
ps. If they really were worshiping Him every single day then when would they get their work done or pay bills?
YHWH is not the author of confusion.
1Co 14:33 For Elohim is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblys of the set-apart ones.
Laurel,'New Covenant' Why did God need a new one? Did He not establish a new one for us becasue the first one was not working?
Now I believe we must change our ways of selfishness and wanting to follow our own will to be able to suit God. However, God did make a change with His covenant because the first one was weak and useless.
Hebrews 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come–one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, THERE MUST ALSO BE A CHANGE OF THE LAW.
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
EVERY DAY IS FOR YHWH!!
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; teach and admonish one another in all wisdom; and with gratitude in your hearts sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs to God. 17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
23 Whatever your task, put yourselves into it, as done for the Lord and not for your masters, 24 since you know that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you serve the Lord Christ.
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Why is this, what makes this possible, that a person could treat every day alike FOR THE LORD, well because-
Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
The Israelites had to be TOLD when to worship, how to worship and where to worship. This did not create what God intended, which was for them to love and respect Him, instead it served to be weak and useless. However Jesus, who worshipped, fellowshipped and preached EVERYDAY, served to be the ultimate tutor for in him we have indeed learned how to love and respect YHWH. This is why we are free to worship, fellowship and teach one day a week or everyday a week. Whatever works best for us. For it is the HEART of the commandment, not the letter of the commandment. I am sorry Laurel that you do not understand what that means.
The heart of a commandment is the purpose it was to bring forth.
By telling us don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, it was keeping the Israelites to obey the golden rule.
By instituting the Sabbath, God was through appointing rest time trying to get the Israelites to love and respect Him. It was actually first instituted to teach TRUST.
If you follow the golden rule you don't need to be told not to steal, lie or murder, do you. I think not.
If you love and respect God, you don't need to be told when, where and how to worship God, do you. I think not.
Being a stay at home mom, I have the opportunity to worship everyday. Even when I am doing my work, sweeping, mopping, cooking my mind is still free and able to be thanking the Lord and thinking about Him.
Other people who have to work a job that requires their mind to be set on other things besides the Lord, most certainly need a day set aside for Him.
God appreciates and loves equally the one who gives everyday and the one who sets aside just one, because it is a matter of the HEART and not the LETTER.
I keep the heart, the Spirit of the 4th commandment, which is to take time to rest and worship the Lord.
I do not follow the LETTER of the commandment which we all know is 6 days work and the 7th rest.
Oops, sorry to get so off topic
God may not be an author of confusion, but He certainly like to create confusion.
Ge 11:7 “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech.”
Jodi,
Without wasting my time reading all you misinterpreted text, we needed a new covenant so that each man could have the Set-apart Spirit in them, whereas before under the olc covenant, the people heard the voice of Elohim, though the words of a prophet.Under the new covenant and the true prophet Messiah, we may come before Elonim, free from sin, through belief, knowing who is “the high preist” our mediator, who confirmed the covenant, and through Him we have direct access to YHWH our ELohim. We ask for our own sins to be forgiven, we do not go through a human priest, we go through the Set-apart Spirit, through Messiah.
Under the old covenant GENTILES were not permitted.
Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 01 2007,07:31) Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 01 2007,04:52) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,08:51) Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 30 2007,07:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,07:10) Jodi You said…
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I don't care about the RCC and there made up Sabbath. Even if Jesus were to be raised on Sunday, I don't see how that gives them the right to change it.I agree with you. Most Christians may see Sunday as a day of celebration and worship as every day should be. But I dont see where most say that Sunday is the new Sabbath.
Sunday worship is not the Christian Sabbath.
It seems because of the RCC there are so many afraid to call sunday a time of worship or gathering because of fear of what the RCC said.
The NT saints gathered together every day.
One here even calls Sunday the day of the sun-god. Well no day belongs to a sun-god.
David said…”this is the day that the Lord has made”, so all days are Gods and we should worship him everyday.
Whos cares what the RCC says.
Very good points WJ!I caught that comment before, 'no day belongs to a sun-god', I think you were talking to Laurel.
All days are the Lord's Days!
You could not be more right about people being afraid. People talking about not putting candles on a cake, and things like that, worrying about certain things pagans did. Pagans probably brought flowers into their home as a form of worship to their gods. So we might as well not do that either. Absurdity.
It's too bad that those Christian's who worship every single day of the week refuse to make the Sabbath day their day of rest. YHWH commanded it, and it stands. He does not change to suit you, we change to suit Him.If you do not agree to this “New Covenant” so be it.
Laurel
ps. If they really were worshiping Him every single day then when would they get their work done or pay bills?
YHWH is not the author of confusion.
1Co 14:33 For Elohim is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblys of the set-apart ones.
Laurel,'New Covenant' Why did God need a new one? Did He not establish a new one for us becasue the first one was not working?
Now I believe we must change our ways of selfishness and wanting to follow our own will to be able to suit God. However, God did make a change with His covenant because the first one was weak and useless.
Hebrews 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come–one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, THERE MUST ALSO BE A CHANGE OF THE LAW.
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
EVERY DAY IS FOR YHWH!!
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; teach and admonish one another in all wisdom; and with gratitude in your hearts sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs to God. 17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
23 Whatever your task, put yourselves into it, as done for the Lord and not for your masters, 24 since you know that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you serve the Lord Christ.
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Why is this, what makes this possible, that a person could treat every day alike FOR THE LORD, well because-
Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
The Israelites had to be TOLD when to worship, how to worship and where to worship. This did not create what God intended, which was for them to love and respect Him, instead it served to be weak and useless. However Jesus, who worshipped, fellowshipped and preached EVERYDAY, served to be the ultimate tutor for in him we have indeed learned how to love and respect YHWH. This is why we are free to worship, fellowship and teach one day a week or everyday a week. Whatever works best for us. For it is the HEART of the commandment, not the letter of the commandment. I am sorry Laurel that you do not understand what that means.
The heart of a commandment is the purpose it was to bring forth.
By telling us don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, it was keeping the Israelites to obey the golden rule.
By instituting the Sabbath, God was through appointing rest time trying to get the Israelites to love and respect Him. It was actually first instituted to teach TRUST.
If you follow the golden rule you don't need to be told not to steal, lie or murder, do you. I think not.
If you love and respect God, you don't need to be told when, where and how to worship God, do you. I think not.
Being a stay at home mom, I have the opportunity to worship everyday. Even when I am doing my work, sweeping, mopping, cooking my mind is still free and able to be thanking the Lord and thinking about Him.
Other people who have to work a job that requires their mind to be set on other things besides the Lord, most certainly need a day set aside for Him.
God appreciates and loves equally the one who gives everyday and the one who sets aside just one, because it is a matter of the HEART and not the LETTER.
I keep the heart, the Spirit of the 4th commandment, which is to take time to rest and worship the Lord.
I do not follow the LETTER of the commandment which we all know is 6 days work and the 7th rest.
Oops, sorry to get so off topic
God may not be an aut
hor of confusion, but He certainly like to create confusion.Ge 11:7 “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech.”
Jodi,
Without wasting my time reading all you misinterpreted text, we needed a new covenant so that each man could have the Set-apart Spirit in them, whereas before under the olc covenant, the people heard the voice of Elohim, though the words of a prophet.Under the new covenant and the true prophet Messiah, we may come before Elonim, free from sin, through belief, knowing who is “the high preist” our mediator, who confirmed the covenant, and through Him we have direct access to YHWH our ELohim. We ask for our own sins to be forgiven, we do not go through a human priest, we go through the Set-apart Spirit, through Messiah.
Under the old covenant GENTILES were not permitted.
Yes of course Laurel because you know everything,
I forgot you are the phrophetess we've all been waiting for.Once again your spirit shines through!
When you write in this forum you lack that which you think you have.
This is why I may be addressing you in a post, but am actually just writing for the sake of others.
You need to humble yourself and learn more how to address people like Y'shua would.
Jodi,
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth His messengers, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do lawlessness;
Mat 13:57 And they were offended in Him. But Y'shua said to them, A prophet is not without honour, except in his own country, and in his own house.
Mat 15:12 Then came His taught ones, and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
Y'shua never humbled Himself to men, only to His Father, and in doing so, He was humbled before the eyes of them who also believe.
Ken,
John 19:31 is refering to the Feast of the First Day of Unleavened Bread.Here they are in order:
Passover is preparation day for the first day of unleavened bread. Passover is not a Sabbath.First Day of Unleavened Bread always follows Passover.
First Fruits always on the first day following the 7th day Sabbath after the First day of Unleavened Bread. First Fruits always falls on the 1st day of the week.
Shavout or Pentecost (the birth of the assembly of the Set-apart Spirit) count 7 weelky Sabbaths from the first weekly Sabbath after the First Day of Unleavened Bread. So, the fiftith (50th) day is Shavout and always falls on the 1st day of the week.
Laurel
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,08:42) Quote (Jodi @ Nov. 29 2007,08:47) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 29 2007,07:17) The meal Y'shua had His taugh ones eat was at the beginning of the Passover. It was the night time that followed the 13th. So it was the 14th at the beginning of the Passover before the sun came up that He was betrayed!
Sorry Laurel but if you look a little closer I believe you will see that is just not correct.Exodus 12:18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day.
Leviticus 23:4 “'These are the Lord's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month.6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.
Numbers 28:16“'On the fourteenth day of the first month the Lord's Passover is to be held. 17 On the fifteenth day of this month there is to be a festival; for seven days eat bread made without yeast.
When it says,”you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day” they are talking about from the 14-15th not the 13-14. Otherwise the 14th would be the first DAY of Unleavened bread. Scripture clearly tells us that the 15th is the First DAY of Unleavened Bread.
Do you see your problem here?
Once again Jesus and his disciples kept the Passover, meaning on the evening of the 14-15th they ate the new Passover meal which Jesus instituted. That night he was betrayed and the next morning, the First Day of Unleavened Bread he was crucified!
Jodi,
It is impossible for Y'shua to be eating the “Passover” and to be the “Passover” at the exact same time.Scripture is exact, not wishy washy.
So let me get this strait, these scriptures are EXACT in saying that Jesus kept a fake Passover a day early?Matthew 26:17On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Mr 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb is sacrificed, his disciples said to him, “Where do you want us to go and make the preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesus F176 sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover meal for us that we may eat it.”
These scriptures are EXACTLY saying that this was NOT REALLY the day the lambs were to be killed?
As well, Jesus saying he will be in 'the heart of the earth'
means exactly the same thing as he will be asleep in the grave? Jesus being dead was EXACTLY like Jonah who was alive in the fish?Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 01 2007,08:56) Ken,
John 19:31 is refering to the Feast of the First Day of Unleavened Bread.Here they are in order:
Passover is preparation day for the first day of unleavened bread. Passover is not a Sabbath.First Day of Unleavened Bread always follows Passover.
First Fruits always on the first day following the 7th day Sabbath after the First day of Unleavened Bread. First Fruits always falls on the 1st day of the week.
Shavout or Pentecost (the birth of the assembly of the Set-apart Spirit) count 7 weelky Sabbaths from the first weekly Sabbath after the First Day of Unleavened Bread. So, the fiftith (50th) day is Shavout and always falls on the 1st day of the week.
Laurel
I know….hum….what did I say to make you think otherwise?
While we are Arguing Antichrist are crawling like cockroaches over the world like it is a dirty house. Rev. 14:12, 12:17. One lives and breeds here!
Jodi! Let me show you what is says about the first Passover
Exodus 12:1 And the LORD saying unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying
verse 2 this Month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
verse 3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, in the 10th day of this month shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the House of their Fathers, a Lamb for an House.
verse 5 your land shall be without blemish a male of the first day: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goat.
verse 6 and ye shall keep it up until the 14th day of the same Month: And the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exodus12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire and UNLEAVEND BREAD; and with better herbs they shall eat it.
verse 11 and thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste: It is THE LORD'S Passover.After the Passover comes the days of Unleavened Bread
verse 15 seven days shall you eat unleavened Bread:; even the first day he shall put away leaven out of your houses: for who soever eatest leaven Bread from the first until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut of from Israel.
verse16 and in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
Although Matthew call the Passover the first of Unleavened Bread it was not the first day that had to be kept holy like a Sabbath. This is why you read in,
John 19 :31 The Jew's therefore, because it was the preparation, that the body should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, ( for that Sabbath day was an High Day,) besought Plate that there legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
This HIGH DAY is first Day of the seven days of unleavened Bread.To make it very clear read Leviticus
Lev. 23: 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S Passover.
verse 6 and on the fifteen day of the is the Feast of Unleavened Bread unto the LORD: seven days you must eat unleavened bread.
Therefore Jesus had to be buried before sundown on Wednesday.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 01 2007,10:57) Jodi! Let me show you what is says about the first Passover
Exodus 12:1 And the LORD saying unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying
verse 2 this Month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
verse 3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, in the 10th day of this month shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the House of their Fathers, a Lamb for an House.
verse 5 your land shall be without blemish a male of the first day: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goat.
verse 6 and ye shall keep it up until the 14th day of the same Month: And the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Exodus12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire and UNLEAVEND BREAD; and with better herbs they shall eat it.
verse 11 and thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste: It is THE LORD'S Passover.After the Passover comes the days of Unleavened Bread
verse 15 seven days shall you eat unleavened Bread:; even the first day he shall put away leaven out of your houses: for who soever eatest leaven Bread from the first until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut of from Israel.
verse16 and in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
Although Matthew call the Passover the first of Unleavened Bread it was not the first day that had to be kept holy like a Sabbath. This is why you read in,
John 19 :31 The Jew's therefore, because it was the preparation, that the body should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, ( for that Sabbath day was an High Day,) besought Plate that there legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
This HIGH DAY is first Day of the seven days of unleavened Bread.To make it very clear read Leviticus
Lev. 23: 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S Passover.
verse 6 and on the fifteen day of the is the Feast of Unleavened Bread unto the LORD: seven days you must eat unleavened bread.
Therefore Jesus had to be buried before sundown on Wednesday.Peace and Love Mrs.
Thank you IM4Truth, however I have become very familiar to Exodus 12, for I have been using it as one of my main reference points.Laurel told me to look at the OT including Jonah. The more I looked at Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers, as well as Jonah, the more I saw problems with your peoples view.
What I would like is for people to address my previous post.
Here is a tip for you and Laurel and whoever else. If you want me to understand, 'believe', how you see things then don't just keep repeating the way YOU understand it. You must take what I am saying and explain that away. I hope that makes sense. What is crucial is that you actually LISTEN to the person who you are conversing with, meaning simply that you actually read through their post. That way even if you do not agree with them you can try to at least see where it is they are coming from. When you see where a person is coming from, you are much more effective in teaching.
Peace and Love to you, Jodi
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,20:38) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2007,09:20) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 30 2007,08:54) “Sunday” is named after the Sun god. The entire Roman calander is named after pagen dieties! YHWH's good day is called the 1st day as are all the days of the week named for their place in the week, except for the Sabbath, which means rest day!
laurelOh I see. Then what is all the talk about Wednesday and thursday and friday and saturday?
So when you are at work you dont use the word wednesday because it is of the roman calender?
Who cares what god someone named it after. Is it idol worship for someone to say I worship on Saturday or Sunday, which ever the case may be?
This is the kind of stuff that gets men all wrapped up in legalism and bondage.
Your definition of legalisim is backward. It is only considered legalisim if it conflicts with the Truth.You know the USA has over 4 million laws for it's citizens to obey? That is legalisim!!!
legalism1 : strict, literal, or excessive conformity to the law or to a religious or moral code
2 : a legal term or ruleAn example of this is saying that you have to call “Sunday” the first day of the week because scriptures calls it the first day of the week, and if you dont then you are serving a sun god.
Or enforcing laws and regulations on Christians from the Torah, like the feast, and telling them if they dont keep them then they are not obeying “Eloyim” or are not saved.
Or saying that you have to wear fancy cloths and woman cant wear pants to go to church.
Jodi I took what you were saying, I even got my Husband and asked him to help me to see if we could not make you see that Jesus was in the grave 3days and three nights. I showed my Husband those Scriptures that you had given and He said this is the way you can show what the Passover and the days of unleavened Bread are. What else can I do then that. I do know what you saying because Math. Mark and Luke puts it like Jesus is asking the Apostles to prepare the Passover on the day of unleavened Bread. But in order to get the right answer tho you have to go to the old Testment to get the answer. And that is what my Husband did. If you see it another way, then thats the way it is. I can't change that and I am not even going to try. You either get it or you don't. It really surprises me about you because you did belong to the W.W.C.of God and we did celebrate all those Feastdays. Passover never changed. That is one Feast that Jesus commanded us to keep. Not like the Jewish people did but with a new understand that Jesus is our new Covenant. The Lord's Supper. He said do it in memory of me. Not like the Catholic's either.
Look Jodi, I don't mean to tell you what to do, to prove to what you want to belief you have to do. I can't do that for you. No offence intended.
How is Baby Molly Sue?
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 01 2007,10:44) Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 01 2007,08:56) Ken,
John 19:31 is refering to the Feast of the First Day of Unleavened Bread.Here they are in order:
Passover is preparation day for the first day of unleavened bread. Passover is not a Sabbath.First Day of Unleavened Bread always follows Passover.
First Fruits always on the first day following the 7th day Sabbath after the First day of Unleavened Bread. First Fruits always falls on the 1st day of the week.
Shavout or Pentecost (the birth of the assembly of the Set-apart Spirit) count 7 weelky Sabbaths from the first weekly Sabbath after the First Day of Unleavened Bread. So, the fiftith (50th) day is Shavout and always falls on the 1st day of the week.
Laurel
I know….hum….what did I say to make you think otherwise?
Just that in one of your earlier posts you asked what day this particular verse was speaking of.To Help You understand the fulfillment of Passover and Unleavened Bread
PASSOVER
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.(Abib 11)
Mat 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
MISTRANSLATION for if it were the first day os Unleavened bread, the lamb would have already been sacrificed! This must be the first day of the week before Passover 14th, and Unleavened Bread The 15th.Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
(This verse does not say they slew a lamb.)(Abib 12)
Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Mat 26:3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
Mat 26:4 And consulted that they might take Y'shua deceitfully, and kill him.
Mat 26:5 But they said, Not on the feast of Unleavened Bread, lest there be an uproar among the people.
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Mar 14:1 After two days was (is) the Passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by craft, and put him to death.
(Here we see the translator calling Passover the same day as Unleavened Bread) We know that it means Passover and that Passover is not a Sabbath. The feast is Unleavened Bread follows Passover according to Lev. Chapter 23.)Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is YHWH's Passover.
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread unto YHWH: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (The first day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath rest.)
Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.Deu 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there you shall sacrifice the Passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that you came forth out of Egypt.
(Evening after daylight of the 12th of Abib) Beginning of Passover at dark.
Joh 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
Joh 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Joh 13:4 He rose from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Joh 13:5 After that he poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.(The gospel of John accurately teaches according to Scripture.)
Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Joh 13:28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
Joh 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
Joh 13:30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. (Now the beginning of Passover)
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Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the Passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is My body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of Me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrays me is with me on the table.(Y'shua did not partake of this meal. It represented Himself. He said do this and remember Me. If this was the actual Passover, and He did not eat, then He would be going against the Torah!)
(We see in 13:29 that the disciples thought because Judas had the bag of money that Y'shua was sending him out to buy something needed for the feast.)
It was dark. If it was dark then it could not possibly be dark of the Passover and the beginning of Unleavened Bread, since it is unlawful to buy or sell on a Sabbath. Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath, and the days begin at sunset.
Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it comes to pass, you may believe that I am. (He is saying to them He is the Passover)
John 14, 15, and 16 is Y'shua last teaching to His disciples at the last supper.
John 17 Y'shua prays to His Father on our behalf, in humility and thanksgiving.
Joh 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.
Joh 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Y'shua often stayed there with His disciples.
Joh 18:3 Judas then, having welcomed a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons.(Still dark before the Passover sacrifice they came with torches and lanterns.)
(Now daylight of the 14th,, Passover Day)
Joh 18:28 Then led they Y'shua from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.***
Joh 19:11 Y'shua answered, Thou could have no power against me, except it was given to you from above: therefore he who delivered me unto you has the greater sin.Joh 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard His saying, he brought Y'shua forward, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
Joh 19:35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They
shall look on him whom they pierced.Lev 5:7 And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the LORD; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
This last verse tells us that the moneychangers of whom Y'shua threw over their tables, were selling the doves for sacrifice, but the problem was they were using the temple to do it and from what I can gather so far they were doing it on the Sabbath prior to Passover on Abib 10.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 01 2007,05:44) t8 Did not Paul say that long Hair is a disgrace to a man and long Hair on a Woman a covering of glory.
1Corinth. 11:14 ” Does not even nature itself itself teach you that if a man ha long Hair, it is a dishonor to Him.'
verse 15 But if a Woman has long Hair it is a glory to her; for her long hair is given for a covering.Peace and Love Mrs.
Yes Paul said something like that.I wonder though if we are imposing our cultural values though. Today personal grooming is easy and as a result we can cut our hair more often. Perhaps what we consider long, wasn't long in those days.
For example, I find it hard to picture John the Baptist with short back and sides and a big bushy beard to boot, although it is possible.
The other thing would be that many poor people probably couldn't afford to cut their hair very often, unless they cut it with a sharp stone or something. Did they even have scissors back then. I know the wheel had been invented.
Cutting say collar length hair with a sharp stone would be a lot easier than going for short back and sides one I would have thought.
Is our idea of long and short hair the same as the 1st century?
And that guy Samson. His hair was his strength and obviously not a disgrace, (ok an exception) but I can understand that if men had longer hair than we have today (on average) then long hair for those days might have been hair going down the back. Men certainly do not suit that length of hair generally, but to the collar seems okay to me at least.
It can even be practical to have what is considerd long hair from todays value. When I was younger I travelled through the Outback (Australian deserts) and I grew my hair to the collar after getting a badly sunburned neck. Was a bit like a natural version of what Arabs wear on their heads. Believe me, a sunburned neck is not nice.
Just speculating, and diverging from the subject too.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 01 2007,23:24) Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 01 2007,05:44) t8 Did not Paul say that long Hair is a disgrace to a man and long Hair on a Woman a covering of glory.
1Corinth. 11:14 ” Does not even nature itself itself teach you that if a man ha long Hair, it is a dishonor to Him.'
verse 15 But if a Woman has long Hair it is a glory to her; for her long hair is given for a covering.Peace and Love Mrs.
Yes Paul said something like that.I wonder though if we are imposing our cultural values though. Today personal grooming is easy and as a result we can cut our hair more often. Perhaps what we consider long, wasn't long in those days.
For example, I find it hard to picture John the Baptist with short back and sides and a big bushy beard to boot, although it is possible.
The other thing would be that many poor people probably couldn't afford to cut their hair very often, unless they cut it with a sharp stone or something. Did they even have scissors back then. I know the wheel had been invented.
Cutting say collar length hair with a sharp stone would be a lot easier than going for short back and sides one I would have thought.
Is our idea of long and short hair the same as the 1st century?
And that guy Samson. His hair was his strength and obviously not a disgrace, (ok an exception) but I can understand that if men had longer hair than we have today (on average) then long hair for those days might have been hair going down the back. Men certainly do not suit that length of hair generally, but to the collar seems okay to me at least.
It can even be practical to have what is considerd long hair from todays value. When I was younger I travelled through the Outback (Australian deserts) and I grew my hair to the collar after getting a badly sunburned neck. Was a bit like a natural version of what Arabs wear on their heads. Believe me, a sunburned neck is not nice.
Just speculating, and diverging from the subject too.
The Romans wore their hair short. But the Jews were not Romans. Paul does say that long hair is unnatural But how long was LONG back then. You know women had LONG hair. Today women have hair as short as men! It's again a spirit thing the Spirit will let you know if your hair is too long!Hi All:
My understanding is that Jesus died on the 14th of Nissan which was Friday at 3PM the preparation day for not only the weekly Sabbath and also, the 1 day of unleavened bread on the 15th Sabbath. This is why in the gospel of John the following is stated:
Quote John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)Jesus was raised again from the dead on Sunday morning which is First Fruits. He is our passover, unleavened bread and the First fruits of those who are raised from the dead.
I copied the following from JFB Commentary:
Quote Deuteronomy 21:22,23).
on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an high day–or “great” day–the first day of unleavened bread, and, as concurring with an ordinary sabbath, the most solemn season of the ecclesiastical year. Hence their peculiar jealousy lest the law should be infringed.
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken–to hasten their death, which was done in such cases with clubs.God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2007,06:45) Hi All: My understanding is that Jesus died on the 14th of Nissan which was Friday at 3PM the preparation day for not only the weekly Sabbath and also, the 1 day of unleavened bread on the 15th Sabbath. This is why in the gospel of John the following is stated:
Quote John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)Jesus was raised again from the dead on Sunday morning which is First Fruits. He is our passover, unleavened bread and the First fruits of those who are raised from the dead.
I copied the following from JFB Commentary:
Quote Deuteronomy 21:22,23).
on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an high day–or “great” day–the first day of unleavened bread, and, as concurring with an ordinary sabbath, the most solemn season of the ecclesiastical year. Hence their peculiar jealousy lest the law should be infringed.
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken–to hasten their death, which was done in such cases with clubs.God Bless
94Well put.
942767 If Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday then He was im the grave longer then 3nights and 3 days. He rose on Saturday around the same time 3P.M. like He died on Wednesday afternoon at 3 P.M. that is exactly 3nights and3 days. Nothing else I will belief in. It is a sign for us. If you or others want to belief is up to that person. But for me that is the way it happened and according to scripture.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 02 2007,07:35) 942767 If Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday then He was im the grave longer then 3nights and 3 days. He rose on Saturday around the same time 3P.M. like He died on Wednesday afternoon at 3 P.M. that is exactly 3nights and3 days. Nothing else I will belief in. It is a sign for us. If you or others want to belief is up to that person. But for me that is the way it happened and according to scripture. Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi Mrs.I am not here to argue with you. I have given you my understanding, and I believe that I can support it with scripture.
Can you show me scripture that supports your belief that Jesus rose on Saturday?
God Bless
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