This is my beloved Son

[journey42]

Greetings brothers and sisters.

I have been banned from another christian chat site for declaring the following verse;

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Anybody disagree with this statement?
Please raise up your hand and state your case.

Many of the christians disagreed with the verse, and got me banned forever. I am overwhelmed, lost for words.

One said this;
“I cant believe this heretic isnt banned yet!”

I answered
John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying “Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

John 7:29 But I know him; for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

and this
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Then I asked them this
Shall we tear this page out of the bible? Can anyone explain to me how I've misunderstood the Word speaking?

Then I was answered this from the same person;
'Skeptics Annotated Bible'
Seems even atheists are smart enough to know who Jesus claimed to be!!

so I again answered
Should we rip these pages out too?

Should one be a heretic for quoting the Word of God.

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgement is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

not alone, not alone, not alone

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true,

John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:19 Then they said unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

At the end of it all I got this from one of them; with this verse
“Want to meet someone else who quoted the word of GOD?”

Matthew 4
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,

So for quoting these scriptures. I am labelled a heretic, an aetheist, and equivalent to knowing the scriptures the same as the Devil. I am banned for life. My charge? For mentioning another banned person's name. I went back on as someone else and continued with the subject, and was banned after the first day for denying the divinity of Christ. Many asked questions and I had to answer. I had no other way.

Does that seem fair? I hope I will be welcomed here. I am not an aetheist. I believe Jesus is the Son of God as the scriptures state. I would die for Christ. He is divine to me. Once a believer can understand this, that the true foundation is Christ, the only begotten Son of God, whom God sent, then God will open up the scriptures to anyone who is seeking, and the holy spirit will begin it's work…..but if we go wrong from here…and get the foundation wrong, then none of the scriptures will fit our doctrine, and we will go way off course, and believe lies from doctrines of man.

Please be nice to me! I come in peace and in truth. I do not hold blind faith, but faith backed with solid knowledge, and this knowledge is sourced solely from the scriptures and is the final authority and available to us all.

God bless everyone.
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[mikeboll64]

Welcome Journey42,

I just finished posting how the same thing happened to me on a different site when I clicked on your topic!  It was like deja vu!    (Read my last post in the “Before Abraham, I am” thread.)

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At the end of it all I got this from one of them; with this verse “Want to meet someone else who quoted the word of GOD?” Matthew 4 5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down.

And if they didn't ban you, you could have answered “See?  Even Satan and his demons knew that Jesus wasn't God Himself, but the Son OF God!”  

You will not be banned for your beliefs here.  I don't understand how the people who go to those other sites ever expect to delve deeper into what the scriptures actually teach when they keep banning anyone who doesn't follow the status quo.    But it's easy to see that calling you a heretic simply for posting actual scriptures shows that something is seriously wrong with the doctrine to which they subscribe.  Perhaps they would also like to rip 1 Cor 8:6 out of the Bible?  Or John 17:3?

Btw, you might have noticed that our codes don't go to where your cursor is at the time, but always to the end of the post.  In the future, if you want to bold something in your post after the fact, it's easiest to just manually type [ B ] before the words you want to embolden, and [ / B ] after those words.  (But do it without the spaces)

peace,
mike

[journey42]

Hi Mike.

I love you already! Not just because you agreed with me, but you can see this truth. The foundation is correct. We can have many interesting discussions from here on. And even if you didn't agree with me, I would still love you and put all my time into you to, in the hope and faith God would open your eyes. Then if you refused after many many attempts, I would let it go and agree to disagree.

I looked up those scriptures. They were great! I didn't give them those, because I missed them, but gave many many other verses over the two years.

I am still cut up. God has opened my eyes. There are many many tares amongst the wheat, and the tares and the wheat are christians. The tares, feed on strange flesh (doctrines) and the wheat feed on the flesh of Christ (truth)

Thanks for the tip on how to use the bold etc. I still dont get it. Give me scripture, I can understand, give me technology, and I'm lost… I'll keep trying. I'll ask questions about this as I go.

You all seem like a really nice bunch. Very courteous and respectful of one another. I like that very much. Looking forward to our many conversations and topics.

I have to do some housework now (Martha Martha), so I can sit and enjoy this lovely new site for hours and hours guilt free!

In Christ.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 09 2011,21:25)

You all seem like a really nice bunch. Very courteous and respectful of one another. I like that very much. Looking forward to our many conversations and topics.

That's an optimistic observation! We do have our battles here, and they sometimes get pretty heated. But it is a small group of regulars who post here, so it shouldn't take you long to meet everyone.

I don't think any of us agree with EVERYTHING another of us believes. But the point of this site is SCRIPTURAL TRUTH. If you and I disagree at some point, we'll keep it scriptural, and let those scriptures bring us together in truth. And I have no problem agreeing to disagree if it comes to that.

Glad to have you, Journey.

[seekingtruth]

journey42,
Welcome, the only way you get banned from here is by “attacking” someone (abusive) as a result there are a whole range of beliefs including an atheist and a muslim. I joined 6 years ago and have grown more then I had in the previous 25 years. The research done defending truth (and the occasional discovery of my own errors) has left me proclaiming “at least now I know what I believe, and why I believe it” Hope you stick around.

Wm

[journey42]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 10 2011,21:45)

journey42, Welcome, the only way you get banned from here is by “attacking” someone (abusive) as a result there are a whole range of beliefs including an atheist and a muslim. I joined 6 years ago and have grown more then I had in the previous 25 years. The research done defending truth (and the occasional discovery of my own errors) has left me proclaiming “at least now I know what I believe, and why I believe it”  Hope you stick around. Wm

Hi Seeking Truth

Thank you for welcoming me.

I definately won't be abusing or attacking anyone! But there will be challenges.. that I'm sure! I'm sure I will be challenged too. I've yet to discover who believe's what on this site, but where I came from (the other site), scripture didn't mean a thing to many. We have to know how to answer anyone, no matter what their belief, but it has to be answered with truth backed up by the Word. I don't care if one is a muslim, or mormon, or aetheist…I will never judge. If they ask a biblical question, then I will do my best to answer according to the scriptures. I don't love debating, but I love sharing what I know with my brothers and sisters, and I'm sure you all feel the same.

That's great to hear that you've grown so much delving into the scriptures. When we search for things, we go deeper and deeper, and also we find other things we've missed along the way and knowledge increases. That's the holy spirit doing it's job…guiding, directing…sharpening…perfecting. All for the glory of God. The holy spirit has to grow and grow. It cannot be hindered.

stay tuned. I have some hot topics to bring up. I just don't know where to start? I've started with the Jesus is the Son of God. We can move on now to more solids.

God bless you.

[terraricca]

journey42

welcome, and thank you for the fresh brize you have spraid trough the site ,truth is the name in wich we as Christians have to live ,there is no alternatif to TRUTH of God,

so again welcome,

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 10 2011,14:25)

Hi Mike. I love you already!  Not just because you agreed with me, but you can see this truth.  The foundation is correct.  We can have many interesting discussions from here on.  And even if you didn't agree with me, I would still love you and put all my time into you to, in the hope and faith God would open your eyes.  Then if you refused after many many attempts, I would let it go and agree to disagree. I looked up those scriptures.  They were great!  I didn't give them those, because I missed them, but gave many many other verses over the two years.   I am still cut up.  God has opened my eyes.  There are many many tares amongst the wheat, and the tares and the wheat are christians.  The tares, feed on strange flesh (doctrines) and the wheat feed on the flesh of Christ (truth) Thanks for the tip on how to use the bold etc.  I still dont get it.  Give me scripture, I can understand, give me technology, and I'm lost… I'll keep trying.  I'll ask questions about this as I go. You all seem like a really nice bunch.  Very courteous and respectful of one another.  I like that very much.  Looking forward to our many conversations and topics.   I have to do some housework now (Martha Martha), so I can sit and enjoy this lovely new site for hours and hours guilt free! In Christ.

Hi Journey42, and welcome to H-net.

Here is the link to a help thread on how to use HTML Code here. (Click here)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Lightenup]

Wakeup are you also journey42?? If so, why?

[942767]

Hi Journey 42:

Answer your accusers with scripture:

Matthew 16:13-18When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Our heavenly Father revealed the following to humanity through the Apostle Peter:

And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Wakeup]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,22:43)

Wakeup are you also journey42?? If so, why?

I am wakeup and journey is journey.
Journey''s doctrine and my doctrine are the same,we believe the same.

thank you KATHI.

wakeup.

[journey42]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,22:43)

Wakeup are you also journey42?? If so, why?

Hello lightenup

No, wakeup is not me.

I agree with his posts however, and can see what he sees in the scriptures. We are obviously from the same flock.

God bless, have a nice night.

[journey42]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 25 2011,11:16)

Hi Journey 42: Answer your accusers with scripture: Matthew 16:13-18When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? Our heavenly Father revealed the following to humanity through the Apostle Peter: And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty

Yes, so true. That is excellent scripture for reproof. I did visit them with that one, but they would not recieve me.

The holy spirit can only reveal this one, and not flesh and blood! How precious is that! I thought Jesus being the Son of God was so simple and straight forward. Even if you ask unbelievers who Jesus is, they will say “he's supposed to be God's Son”

I'll tell you a little story…a true one!
One particular young gentleman made this very large post supporting the trinity on this other site. This post went on and on for months. Maybe 6 months. Everybody agreeing with him. I gave him lots of scripture and questioned his belief, and back and forth, back and forth,…but he got a little hot headed and frustrated with me at the end of it, so I let it go…..and then I checked on that site, when I joined here not long ago, and he put a new post on questioning the trinity and looking at it through different eyes. It suddenly wasn't making sense to him that Jesus was the Father, and was telling the others that he was in turmoil, and not sure now because it didn't fit together right.

I got so excited, I was jumping up and down praising the Lord…but by the next day, he said he asked his dad, and his dad explained the trinity better for him and he is satisfied with the trinity now.

Now this is a perfect example of this scripture

Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

The holy spirit was reaching him, pricking his conscience and his reasoning, and he decided not to listen to that voice and instead put his decision in his dad's hands….This is why it is hard for some to break away from their parents beliefs, because they look up to the parents so much, they don't want division. We need to put the truth first before everything, and anyone.

Not to say that he wont change his views in the future. If he is sincere, and digs deep into the scriptures, he will find it everywhere and God will draw him to all truth.

Have a nice night.

[Lightenup]

Wakeup and Journey42,
Thanks for clearing that up. One more thing, are you both guys? For some reason, I thought wakeup was a gal. Did you two know each other before you came here? Just curious is all. Do take care and I hope your experience here is a fair one

God bless,
Kathi

[journey42]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,03:34)

Wakeup and Journey42, Thanks for clearing that up.  One more thing, are you both guys?  For some reason, I thought wakeup was a gal.  Did you two know each other before you came here? Just curious is all.  Do take care and I hope your experience here is a fair one God bless, Kathi

Hi lightenup

I'm a gal. Wakeup is a guy.

Yes I do know him.

God bless you too Kathi

[Lightenup]

Ok journey42,
It is nice to have another gal on here. Thanks for your response.

Blessings,
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 10 2011,10:38)

Greetings brothers and sisters. I have been banned from another christian chat site for declaring the following verse; Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. Anybody disagree with this statement? Please raise up your hand and state your case. Many of the christians disagreed with the verse, and got me banned forever.  I am overwhelmed, lost for words. One said this; “I cant believe this heretic isnt banned yet!” I answered John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying “Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. John 7:29 But I know him; for I am from him, and he hath sent me. and this John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. Then I asked them this Shall we tear this page out of the bible? Can anyone explain to me how I've misunderstood the Word speaking? Then I was answered this from the same person; 'Skeptics Annotated Bible' Seems even atheists are smart enough to know who Jesus claimed to be!! so I again answered Should we rip these pages out too? Should one be a heretic for quoting the Word of God. John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgement is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. not alone, not alone, not alone John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true, John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. John 8:19 Then they said unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. At the end of it all I got this from one of them; with this verse “Want to meet someone else who quoted the word of GOD?” Matthew 4 5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’ and, So for quoting these scriptures.  I am labelled a heretic, an aetheist, and equivalent to knowing the scriptures the same as the Devil. I am banned for life.  My charge? For mentioning another banned person's name.  I went back on as someone else and continued with the subject, and was banned after the first day for denying the divinity of Christ.  Many asked questions and I had to answer.  I had no other way. Does that seem fair?  I hope I will be welcomed here. I am not an aetheist.  I believe Jesus is the Son of God as the scriptures state.  I would die for Christ.  He is divine to me.  Once a believer can understand this, that the true foundation is Christ, the only begotten Son of God, whom God sent, then God will open up the scriptures to anyone who is seeking, and the holy spirit will begin it's work…..but if we go wrong from here…and get the foundation wrong, then none of the scriptures will fit our doctrine, and we will go way off course, and believe lies from doctrines of man.   Please be nice to me!  I come in peace and in truth.  I do not hold blind faith, but faith backed with solid knowledge, and this knowledge is sourced solely from the scriptures and is the final authority and available to us all. God bless everyone. [/B][U][/U][QUOTE]

Hi J42,
Yes he is the Son of God.
He was begotten of the Spirit of God at the Jordan.
We too can become adopted sons and daughters of God by following him through the water into that Spirit.

1 peter 1. 1-4

[NickHassan]

Hi Journey,
John 9 is a touching story of how the Master went and found the man thrown out of the temple for believing in the one who had healed him. Jesus encouraged him

[NickHassan]

Hi, j42,
You are right about the Son.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
This site used to a battleground over trinity falsehoods.
At least most have moved on or conceded the lie.

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