Theories

[Not3in1]

Brother's and sister's (and even those who don't consider me such because their theories will not allow it),

I've been doing a lot of back reading here at HeavenNet. I daresay that I've read nearly every thread now.

My faith is shot. I believe there is a God/Creator and that is all.

Everyone has their theory and verse. Everyone is so convinced they are right (most have 'heard from God' to deepend their brand of conviction).

What I have found in comparing the scriptures to various theories is this – the bible can be manipulated to ANY idea out there. And the Holy Spirit? Well….”he” says different things to different people. I think he enjoys sending children around the mullberry bush…

Why should I believe any of it? And if I am to believe some of it or portions of it…..which theories should I choose? Yours?

Sometimes I truly feel like God has abandoned me.

Love,
Mandy

[Lightenup]

Mandy,
You are listening to the discourager. Take every thought captive and cling to the thoughts that give love, joy, peace. Always turn the thoughts off that lead to destruction…that is never from God.

Here is an interview that led me to the book “How to Hear God's Voice” by Mark and Patti Virkler:

http://www.sidroth.org/site….ctrl=-1

I have an iPod touch and subscribe to different ministries and load the podcasts on my iPod each week. Often I listen to them as I drift off to sleep to help me not think about those thoughts that aren't helpful.

Maybe this can help,
Love,
Kathi

[Not3in1]

Thanks, Kathi.

[georg]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 27 2009,05:42)

Brother's and sister's (and even those who don't consider me such because their theories will not allow it), I've been doing a lot of back reading here at HeavenNet.  I daresay that I've read nearly every thread now. My faith is shot.  I believe there is a God/Creator and that is all. Everyone has their theory and verse.  Everyone is so convinced they are right (most have 'heard from God' to deepend their brand of conviction). What I have found in comparing the scriptures to various theories is this – the bible can be manipulated to ANY idea out there.  And the Holy Spirit?  Well….”he” says different things to different people.  I think he enjoys sending children around the mullberry bush… Why should I believe any of it?  And if I am to believe some of it or portions of it…..which theories should I choose?  Yours? Sometimes I truly feel like God has abandoned me. Love, Mandy

Oh, Mandy!   God will never abandoned you.  Remember the footprints in the sand?  Feeling so down, Jesus will carry you.  We all feel that sometimes. You know that there is a God and that is good.  My advice to you is don't listen to much what others are saying.  All have fallen short of the glory of God.  There is nobody her on this site that is perfect.  When you see a post and you disagree with them, leave it there.  If God shows you something and others  disagree, let them……
That is not your problem.
Always  remember God LOVES you and so do I.
Peace and Love to you and yours, Irene

[NickHassan]

Hi Mandy,
Don't listen to crazy men but to the Word and let it be built into you as it proves itself.

Religious spirits are everywhere posing as the Spirit of God but the Spirit of God in a man is proved by the Word reflected in his speech.

The spirit of madness too poses as God's Spirit and worldly men thought both Jesus and Paul were mad so fruit is the test God gave us.

[Douglas]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 27 2009,05:42)

Brother's and sister's (and even those who don't consider me such because their theories will not allow it), I've been doing a lot of back reading here at HeavenNet.  I daresay that I've read nearly every thread now. My faith is shot.  I believe there is a God/Creator and that is all. Everyone has their theory and verse.  Everyone is so convinced they are right (most have 'heard from God' to deepend their brand of conviction). What I have found in comparing the scriptures to various theories is this – the bible can be manipulated to ANY idea out there.  And the Holy Spirit?  Well….”he” says different things to different people.  I think he enjoys sending children around the mullberry bush… Why should I believe any of it?  And if I am to believe some of it or portions of it…..which theories should I choose?  Yours? Sometimes I truly feel like God has abandoned me. Love, Mandy

Sometimes the illusion of knowledge is the obstacle to learning the truth, for if one is blinded by the illusion there is no space in your view for the real thing.

There is nothing on this site that wasn't produced by a person.

You might as well produce your own thoughts and theories, not only will be they more comfortable to you, they might be interesting for others to consider because they will be different.

As for feeling abandoned by the God you believe in, how is that related to human things (this site)?

Finally, if anyone here has heard from God (not other people) that the Bible is the authoritative and complete will of God – let them say so now.

[942767]

Hi Douglas:

You ask:

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Finally, if anyone here has heard from God (not other people) that the Bible is the authoritative and complete will of God – let them say so now.

God has spoken to me in an audible voice, through dreams and visions, and through prophets, and through His Word. I have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in February 1980 and have been corrected by God my Father on various occasions.

He has been preparing me for the office of a Bishop which is an overseer in the church for the past 29 years, and this will materialize very shortly.

Yes, absolutely, the bible is the Word of God, but it appears that some have added to it in order to justify the doctrine of the trinity.

Love in Christ,
Marty

And so,

[Douglas]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2009,09:56)

Yes, absolutely, the bible is the Word of God, but it appears that some have added to it in order to justify the doctrine of the trinity.

So, just to clarify completely – that is what you have from God directly (relating to the Bible being the literal word of God), and not your own opinion?

Either way, I respect that you stood up – few do or will.

[942767]

Quote (Douglas @ Oct. 27 2009,10:17)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 27 2009,09:56) Yes, absolutely, the bible is the Word of God, but it appears that some have added to it in order to justify the doctrine of the trinity. So, just to clarify completely – that is what you have from God directly (relating to the Bible being the literal word of God), and not your own opinion? Either way, I respect that you stood up – few do or will.

Hi Douglas:

The reason I responded to your question is that I am telling you the truth.

I will let you know when he puts me in the postion of the Bishop which He has promised.

Everyone here on this forum can say that what they are teaching is right, but that doesn't necessarily make it so, but if God confirms what I am teaching with the type of miracles that He did in the ministry of Jesus and the Apostles, then it would be Him that would be saying that what I am teaching is coming from Him, and that is what matters. God will not confirm a lie.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Personal experiences are valuable and powers are possibly evidence.
But some miracle workers were told by Jesus he did not know them.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 26 2009,17:56)

Hi Douglas: You ask: Quote Finally, if anyone here has heard from God (not other people) that the Bible is the authoritative and complete will of God – let them say so now. God has spoken to me in an audible voice, through dreams and visions, and through prophets, and through His Word.  I have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in February 1980 and have been corrected by God my Father on various occasions.   He has been preparing me for the office of a Bishop which is an overseer in the church for the past 29 years, and this will materialize very shortly. Yes, absolutely, the bible is the Word of God, but it appears that some have added to it in order to justify the doctrine of the trinity. Love in Christ, Marty And so,

Marty

Why is it that no matter what the subject is the Trinitarian gets the shaft.

Is it only Trinitarians that you believe are teaching false doctrines here?

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 26 2009,17:56)

Yes, absolutely, the bible is the Word of God, but it appears that some have added to it in order to justify the doctrine of the trinity.

Are you looking in the mirror Marty?

The same can be said of you. Your 29 years and confession that God has spoken to you makes you no better than others here.

I also have heard his voice many times in my life and follow his guidance every day, and never once has he said…

“The Trinity is False”!

The concept that gets more opposition than any other is a good sign we are on the right track, for the enemy hates the truth of Gods word, doesn't he?

See I read and study the same word as you. I could also boast and say I have been saved and filled with the Holy Spirit for 35 years, Pioneered and Pastored 2 Chuches, Graduated from two Bible schools, and 1 graduate school with a Bachelor of Biblical Studies, and M.Div. and currently writing a Dissertation for graduation with a Doctorate, D.Min in January 2010.

None of that means anything without a personal relationship with God though does it?

How about that, like Mandy said everyone here has found their truth in the scriptures and claims to have it, so do you think that you are special and God has only revealed the truth to you? You can claim it if you like!

So why don't you stop critisizing Trinitarians for adding to the Word when you have not a single shred of evidence for such.

I can show you Marty where you have taken away from the word, but I don't go around accusing you a “Unitarian” for adding or taking away from the word do I?

You know what Marty, personally I believe that if you are not a Trinitarian then you do not know the same Jesus that I know. But do I know your heart or would I cast judgment on everyone who doesn't believe in the Jesus I believe in, NO, because I leave the judgment of the heart to the Lord!

But it doesn't change the fact that millions who have heard God's voice disagree with you!

And by the way as far as signs and wonders, we are seeing miracles almost every day in our church, what are you waiting for?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
There is no trinity in the Word is there?
Who added it to orthodoxy?
Catholicism?

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 27 2009,13:40)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 26 2009,17:56) Hi Douglas: You ask: Quote Finally, if anyone here has heard from God (not other people) that the Bible is the authoritative and complete will of God – let them say so now. God has spoken to me in an audible voice, through dreams and visions, and through prophets, and through His Word.  I have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in February 1980 and have been corrected by God my Father on various occasions.   He has been preparing me for the office of a Bishop which is an overseer in the church for the past 29 years, and this will materialize very shortly. Yes, absolutely, the bible is the Word of God, but it appears that some have added to it in order to justify the doctrine of the trinity. Love in Christ, Marty And so, Marty Why is it that no matter what the subject is the Trinitarian gets the shaft. Is it only Trinitarians that you believe are teaching false doctrines here? Quote (942767 @ Oct. 26 2009,17:56) Yes, absolutely, the bible is the Word of God, but it appears that some have added to it in order to justify the doctrine of the trinity. Are you looking in the mirror Marty? The same can be said of you. Your 29 years and confession that God has spoken to you makes you no better than others here. I also have heard his voice many times in my life and follow his guidance every day, and never once has he said… “The Trinity is False”! The concept that gets more opposition than any other is a good sign we are on the right track, for the enemy hates the truth of Gods word, doesn't he? See I read and study the same word as you. I could also boast and say I have been saved and filled with the Holy Spirit for 35 years, Pioneered and Patored 2 Chuches, Graduated from two Bible schools, and 1 graduate school with a Bachelor of Biblical Studies, and M.Div. and currently writing a Dissertation for graduation with a Doctorate, D.Min in January 2010. None of that means anything without a personal relationship with God though does it? How about that, like Mandy said everyone here has found their truth in the scriptures and claims to have it, so do you think that you are special and God has only revealed the truth to you? You can claim it if you like! So why don't you stop critisizing Trinitarians for adding to the Word when you have not a single shred of evidence for such. I can show you Marty where you have taken away from the word, but I don't go around accusing you a “Unitarian” for adding or taking away from the word do I? You know what Marty, personally I believe that if you are not a Trinitarian then you do not know the same Jesus that I know. But do I know your heart or would I cast judgment on everyone who doesn't believe in the Jesus I believe in, NO, because I leave the judgment of the heart to the Lord! But it doesn't change the fact that millions who have heard God's voice disagree with you! And by the way as far as signs and wonders, we are seeing miracles almost every day in our church, what are you waiting for? WJ

Hi WJ:

I never said that I was any better than anyone else. All I did is respond to Douglas what I believe to be the truth, and I pray to God that if I am wrong in anything that I have stated that He correct me because I certainly do not to teach anything that is not the truth.

I was speaking about the following scriptures when I said that they were added, and I believe that they were added to justify the “trinity doctrine”:

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1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And I can't say for sure about Matthew 28:19, but there is a possiblity that it was changed in order to justify the “trinity doctrine”.

I can only teach what I believe to be the truth, and that is what I have done. Both you and I are accountable to God for what we teach.

Ultimately, as I have said, if God confirms what I am teaching then it is Him that is saying that what I am teaching is correct, and that is what matters. I know that if I am not teaching the truth, He cannot confirm it because He won't confirm a lie.

I ask Him every day in prayer to correct me if I am not teaching the truth and if I am doing anything that is not in accordance with His will.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Do you think the wide road that billions take is the safest?

[georg]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 27 2009,05:42)

Brother's and sister's (and even those who don't consider me such because their theories will not allow it), I've been doing a lot of back reading here at HeavenNet.  I daresay that I've read nearly every thread now. My faith is shot.  I believe there is a God/Creator and that is all. Everyone has their theory and verse.  Everyone is so convinced they are right (most have 'heard from God' to deepend their brand of conviction). What I have found in comparing the scriptures to various theories is this – the bible can be manipulated to ANY idea out there.  And the Holy Spirit?  Well….”he” says different things to different people.  I think he enjoys sending children around the mullberry bush… Why should I believe any of it?  And if I am to believe some of it or portions of it…..which theories should I choose?  Yours? Sometimes I truly feel like God has abandoned me. Love, Mandy

Mandy

You are right, what you will find on this, or any other religious forum, are theories and opinions. If you look for answers here, you wont find them, what you will find is more confusion.
Look at the scriptures I give you and meditate on them.

Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Luk 11:9 ¶ And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

And here is the key to understanding.

Jhn 8:31 ¶ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Jhn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

“IF YOU CONTINUE” in his word, you shall know the truth.
Understanding does not come overnight, it will take time. Underline these scriptures with red, so you can find them easy to remind you of their promise, be persistent; in the meantime, stay away from all the confusion on this forum.

Pro 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Believe me, you will know when you know.

Georg

[Douglas]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 27 2009,13:40)

I also have heard his voice many times in my life and follow his guidance every day, and never once has he said… “The Trinity is False”!

Has it ever said – specifically – that the trinity is true?

Never ending arguments about the trinity doctrine aside, this actually comes right down my main interest in this site – I'm specifically interested in exactly what God has to say (and intelligent opinions based thereupon provided that the difference is clear). To be more specific still, what God has to say in the present day that even if the Bible were literally useable as the Word of God simply wouldn't be included since nobody adds chapters to it any more.

I have recorded as accurately as possible (given that I don't hear from God myself) a certain number of messages in a file (since human memory and interpretation can play tricks on you later).

That file is self consistent, and fairly common sense consistent. It is not yet consistency checkable against an additional source of similar data from a different individual and some of the contents are quite different from commonly perceived wisdom and in fact possibly heretical to most on this site.

[Constitutionalist]

I'm not right, I am saved.

[Constitutionalist]

Are not the majority of those politically to the left trinitarians?

[followerofJesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 27 2009,05:42)

Brother's and sister's (and even those who don't consider me such because their theories will not allow it), I've been doing a lot of back reading here at HeavenNet.  I daresay that I've read nearly every thread now. My faith is shot.  I believe there is a God/Creator and that is all. Everyone has their theory and verse.  Everyone is so convinced they are right (most have 'heard from God' to deepend their brand of conviction). What I have found in comparing the scriptures to various theories is this – the bible can be manipulated to ANY idea out there.  And the Holy Spirit?  Well….”he” says different things to different people.  I think he enjoys sending children around the mullberry bush… Why should I believe any of it?  And if I am to believe some of it or portions of it…..which theories should I choose?  Yours? Sometimes I truly feel like God has abandoned me. Love, Mandy

focus on the Bible

focus on Jesus

many times we will be confused, misinterprate, the Bible

wonder things like “what did God mean when_”
What did God mean by “what does God mean by____”

God gives wisdom to all those who ask
God gives understanding to all those who ask

The book of Proverbs is a really good book,
If you don't get it, understand then ask God

He was called teacher, but (I am no teacher myself) there are those who won't get things straight away, (myself included)

Though one would have to guard themselves from false teachings

For people can have a point, take a verse from the Bible use it in an attempt to prove them right and make their point accross

the thing is satan knows the Bible very well

and would attempt to 'use' truth, to deceive you, or not tell you the whole truth (half-truths), or dilebirately misinterprate the truth.

one should always focus on Jesus

not sure if this helps but, whenever I am confused at times I turn to God, thinking things like “How did Jesus do it?” “What would Jesus do in this situation.

I am not arrogant, foolish, blasphemus to say I am Jesus

I see it this way for Jesus set the example of what we should be

The thing is unfortunately there are many 'denominations' within the body of Christ, arguing that their teachings is correct etc…

even though we are all one in the body of Christ

As for being a Brother/Sister

we all call him Father

Jesus has given all those who believe in him the right to be children of God

Pray to God to show you the truth, the right path, seperate truth from lie

For Him to bring you truth

“and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free”

For you to be able to discern (dicsecerning spirit) from what is truth and what is lie

What is of God and what is not

(do not forget that anything that is not of God, is not something you should believe, take party in

[KangarooJack]

WorshippingJesus said to Marty:

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Why is it that no matter what the subject is the Trinitarian gets the shaft.

Because anti-trinitarians have a one track mind.

WJ:

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So why don't you stop critisizing Trinitarians for adding to the Word when you have not a single shred of evidence for such.

If you read Marty's statements on the “satan is in the lake of fire” thread you would see that he denied that we are Abraham's children more than once. This error is quite serious. So Marty should take the beam out of his own eye. Anyone who denies that Christians are Abraham's children is totally DESTITUTE of gospel truth.

Marty is therefore not qualified to be a bishop over Abraham's children.

thinker

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