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Quote (Stu @ April 19 2011,08:56) Quote (theodorej @ April 19 2011,02:33) Greetings Stu….. You interact in this forum in an iteligent fashion and by virtue of you style of debate one can ascertain that you have control of the language and possess inteligence that could be considered above average…You do not have to enter a forum announcing that you are a PHD or a professor Emeritus with a reference to WIKI pedia to inform all involved of your interlect….I would enjoy dialog with Kowalski on eye level….it is always interesting to speak with a repentent communist…
…assuming that he really has repented from communism! Maybe he wrote about his path from communism somewhere and I have missed it, however would it be possible to be a christian and follow a brand of communism that did not require allegiance to a dictator or the party, to the exclusion of god belief?Stuart
Greetings Stu…. Ludwik has written extensivly on his life experience in Russia and has acknowledged communism as something initially his parents supported…Communism does not support or encourage liberty…It is a bankrupted system that perpetuates dependency….Our creator gave us certain unalienable rights which are Life,Liberty(freedom)….These God given rights are based on the the premise that all men are created equally….I fail to see where communism could afford to extend these kind of priviledges to all…The fact that you are able to voice your belief or lack of belief is proof that liberty is an essential right that we are all entitled to…I choose to acknowledge the creator of this justice and in doing so I call him God…Quote (theodorej @ April 19 2011,23:26) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2011,08:56) Quote (theodorej @ April 19 2011,02:33) Greetings Stu….. You interact in this forum in an iteligent fashion and by virtue of you style of debate one can ascertain that you have control of the language and possess inteligence that could be considered above average…You do not have to enter a forum announcing that you are a PHD or a professor Emeritus with a reference to WIKI pedia to inform all involved of your interlect….I would enjoy dialog with Kowalski on eye level….it is always interesting to speak with a repentent communist…
…assuming that he really has repented from communism! Maybe he wrote about his path from communism somewhere and I have missed it, however would it be possible to be a christian and follow a brand of communism that did not require allegiance to a dictator or the party, to the exclusion of god belief?Stuart
Greetings Stu…. Ludwik has written extensivly on his life experience in Russia and has acknowledged communism as something initially his parents supported…Communism does not support or encourage liberty…It is a bankrupted system that perpetuates dependency….Our creator gave us certain unalienable rights which are Life,Liberty(freedom)….These God given rights are based on the the premise that all men are created equally….I fail to see where communism could afford to extend these kind of priviledges to all…The fact that you are able to voice your belief or lack of belief is proof that liberty is an essential right that we are all entitled to…I choose to acknowledge the creator of this justice and in doing so I call him God…
Thanks for the research on the prof. I did feel you were probably right about his history.Pared right down to its simplest theme communism does espouse the ultimate in the egalitarian principle. That is a noble sentiment that we agree should apply against racism, sexism and inequality in medical treatment or employment, to take four examples, but I guess as soon as you mix the perfect statement of equality with the competitiveness of human nature the next stop will certainly be corruption, and the communist experiments of the Twentieth Century all foundered on their corruption of the principles and on the unsustainability of that ideal when the imprisoned people of the communist states could see all the enticing possessions and excesses of capitalism over their fences.
In this regard communism was a naive attempt at following an ideal that ignored so much of what we understand about our species, and it turned to misery and bloodbath as it inevitably had to.
As for Imaginary Friends, as you know I prefer to keep none!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 17 2011,18:56) What is interesting about it? Theists believe in Imaginary Friends. They expect atheists to respect their delusions but they do not respect the concept of the burden of proof.
I feel no particular conflict with theists. If they need my help in their struggle to distinguish reality from fantasy then I am here to help.
The only problem I do have is when they insist that their immoral belief system have some special place in the lives of others who can see already that it is nonsense.
Stuart
Why do you keep calling something nonsense without explaining why or how it's nonsense.Stu, Is it possible to know what someone is imagining.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2011,00:33) Quote (Stu @ April 17 2011,18:56) What is interesting about it? Theists believe in Imaginary Friends. They expect atheists to respect their delusions but they do not respect the concept of the burden of proof.
I feel no particular conflict with theists. If they need my help in their struggle to distinguish reality from fantasy then I am here to help.
The only problem I do have is when they insist that their immoral belief system have some special place in the lives of others who can see already that it is nonsense.
Stuart
Why do you keep calling something nonsense without explaining why or how it's nonsense.Stu, Is it possible to know what someone is imagining.
I thought you might be familiar already with the explanations I have given. Do you need me to type them all out for you again?Perhaps you could test my claims by asking your Imaginary Friend what I wrote on its existence.
Let me know what it says!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 21 2011,11:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2011,00:33) Quote (Stu @ April 17 2011,18:56) What is interesting about it? Theists believe in Imaginary Friends. They expect atheists to respect their delusions but they do not respect the concept of the burden of proof.
I feel no particular conflict with theists. If they need my help in their struggle to distinguish reality from fantasy then I am here to help.
The only problem I do have is when they insist that their immoral belief system have some special place in the lives of others who can see already that it is nonsense.
Stuart
Why do you keep calling something nonsense without explaining why or how it's nonsense.Stu, Is it possible to know what someone is imagining.
I thought you might be familiar already with the explanations I have given. Do you need me to type them all out for you again?Perhaps you could test my claims by asking your Imaginary Friend what I wrote on its existence.
Let me know what it says!
Stuart
You seem to not want to admit that it is not possible to know what everyone else knows or to experience what everyone else experiences. So your logic is if “you” can't experience something it has to not be real, that doesn't make sense does it?People who are sociopaths can not experience certain emotions do those emotions still exist?
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 22 2011,04:25) You seem to not want to admit that it is not possible to know what everyone else knows or to experience what everyone else experiences. So your logic is if “you” can't experience something it has to not be real, that doesn't make sense does it? People who are sociopaths can not experience certain emotions do those emotions still exist?
Perhaps it seems that way to you.You have never described the experiences you ascribe to your god, so how can I have even commented?
I have challenged you to show me that these god experiences are not explicable in terms of known psychological effects. I don't think you have done that yet.
As for sociopaths and emotions, isn't it empathy with others' emotions that is the problem. Perhaps you should ask whether, since sociopaths have difficulty relating their own emotions to the emotions of others, does that mean empathy does not exist?
That would have been about as banal and absurd a question as the one you asked.
I assume you meant to be absurd…
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 22 2011,10:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 22 2011,04:25) You seem to not want to admit that it is not possible to know what everyone else knows or to experience what everyone else experiences. So your logic is if “you” can't experience something it has to not be real, that doesn't make sense does it? People who are sociopaths can not experience certain emotions do those emotions still exist?
Perhaps it seems that way to you.You have never described the experiences you ascribe to your god, so how can I have even commented?
I have challenged you to show me that these god experiences are not explicable in terms of known psychological effects. I don't think you have done that yet.
As for sociopaths and emotions, isn't it empathy with others' emotions that is the problem. Perhaps you should ask whether, since sociopaths have difficulty relating their own emotions to the emotions of others, does that mean empathy does not exist?
That would have been about as banal and absurd a question as the one you asked.
I assume you meant to be absurd…
Stuart
Sociopaths don't just have a problem relating to their own feelings they don't understand how others feel those feelings. You don't understand how someone can experience God so me explaining to you how I experience God would not compute with you.In relation to theology you are antisocial. But, just to be fair I cannot relate to your feeling of emptiness and quite frankly I admit I do not understand it.
You remind me of pornography while it can be very stimulating to those watching it, the underlying impulse for all concerned is loneliness and dissatisfaction.
BD
Quote Sociopaths don't just have a problem relating to their own feelings they don't understand how others feel those feelings.
…even though you originally wrote: “People who are sociopaths can not experience certain emotions”.You are very sensitive to the word hypocrite, and yet you are one.
Quote You don't understand how someone can experience God so me explaining to you how I experience God would not compute with you.
In that case your special pleading is irrelevant.Quote In relation to theology you are antisocial. But, just to be fair I cannot relate to your feeling of emptiness and quite frankly I admit I do not understand it.
So if a sociopath is someone who cannot empathise with others emotions, what is the term for someone who asserts what others feel without asking them?Quote You remind me of pornography while it can be very stimulating to those watching it, the underlying impulse for all concerned is loneliness and dissatisfaction.
Do tell us more about your experiences with pornography. I’m sure we’ll be fascinated.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 25 2011,17:16) BD Quote Sociopaths don't just have a problem relating to their own feelings they don't understand how others feel those feelings.
…even though you originally wrote: “People who are sociopaths can not experience certain emotions”.You are very sensitive to the word hypocrite, and yet you are one.
Quote You don't understand how someone can experience God so me explaining to you how I experience God would not compute with you.
In that case your special pleading is irrelevant.Quote In relation to theology you are antisocial. But, just to be fair I cannot relate to your feeling of emptiness and quite frankly I admit I do not understand it.
So if a sociopath is someone who cannot empathise with others emotions, what is the term for someone who asserts what others feel without asking them?Quote You remind me of pornography while it can be very stimulating to those watching it, the underlying impulse for all concerned is loneliness and dissatisfaction.
Do tell us more about your experiences with pornography. I’m sure we’ll be fascinated.Stuart
I have not tried to convince you of God I have just responded to your incessant inane remarks so that anyone reading these forums can seperate truth from error.Quote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2011,13:03) I have not tried to convince you of God I have just responded to your incessant inane remarks so that anyone reading these forums can seperate truth from error.
Give me one example of an inane remark I have made here.Stuart
Quote (t8 @ May 25 2011,16:52) I see that Stu is still the self-appointed chief of this forum.
OK, I'll bite.How do you see that?
Stuart
Hard to tell whether he was committed more to his question or his ego.
He wasn't committed to discussion here…
Stuart
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