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Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 21 2011,21:16) Hello again Ed; God the Father is the Holy Spirit.
Paladin
Hi Paladin,Glad to see we're in agreement! …(Click Here)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Paladin @ Feb. 21 2011,21:08) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:53) Hi Irene, And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
Hello Ed;
YOU WROTE:Quote And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1) Why is it everybody misses the significance of that little Greek word “Hn” (pronounced een?); this word tells us at least two things about “ho logos” and “theos.”
1) there is no verse in scripture that says “ho logos is theos.” John 1:1 says “ho logos was theos.”
The reason for John writing it this way is simple, “ho logos” became something else, “theos” did not.
Why you keep insisting Holy Spirit is “logos” is confusing, since I showed you the scripture that plainly says Holy Spirit is
“reema.”[Eph 6:17] “…And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the reema of God:” “Which” modifies “Spirit” not “sword.”YOU WROTE:
Quote
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)You do understand, don't you Ed, that both God and Jesus are in the Christian who is faithful? And it is the same way God is in Jesus. You do understand that don't you Ed? “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;…” [John 17:21-23] Jesus himself said he wants the disciples to be one “even as” meaning “in the same way” as He and the Father are one.
YOU WROTE:
Quote Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people? Why do you suppose the apostles were able to heal and castr out demons, and raise the dead? Because Jesus gave them power to do so, just as God gave Jesus the power to do so.
YOU WROTE:
Quote And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?No, he was glofifying God for two reason; for the healing done by a man that requires God's input through the blessing he bestowed on the one doing the healing; and the blessing he bestowed on the man being healed. If your Doctor gives you medical treatment that heals you do you fail to glorify God? What's that all about?
Paladin
Hi Paladin,I agree that “HolySpirit” is “The Rhema”. And know also that a
Rhema is a segment of The Word ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs),
therefore The Word is the “HolySpirit”! Why does
this “Bible Truth” doctrine escape you?“The Word” is [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs the same as John 1:1!
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know
that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father
said unto me, so I speak.Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all “filled with the HolySpirit”, and they spake “The word” of God with boldness.Acts 12:24 But “The word” of God grew and multiplied.
Acts 19:20 So mightily grew “The word” of God and prevailed.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,22:14) Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 21 2011,21:08) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:53) Hi Irene, And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
Hello Ed;
YOU WROTE:Quote And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1) Why is it everybody misses the significance of that little Greek word “Hn” (pronounced een?); this word tells us at least two things about “ho logos” and “theos.”
1) there is no verse in scripture that says “ho logos is theos.” John 1:1 says “ho logos was theos.”
The reason for John writing it this way is simple, “ho logos” became something else, “theos” did not.
Why you keep insisting Holy Spirit is “logos” is confusing, since I showed you the scripture that plainly says Holy Spirit is
“reema.”[Eph 6:17] “…And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the reema of God:” “Which” modifies “Spirit” not “sword.”YOU WROTE:
Quote
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)You do understand, don't you Ed, that both God and Jesus are in the Christian who is faithful? And it is the same way God is in Jesus. You do understand that don't you Ed? “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;…” [John 17:21-23] Jesus himself said he wants the disciples to be one “even as” meaning “in the same way” as He and the Father are one.
YOU WROTE:
Quote Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people? Why do you suppose the apostles were able to heal and castr out demons, and raise the dead? Because Jesus gave them power to do so, just as God gave Jesus the power to do so.
YOU WROTE:
Quote And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?No, he was glofifying God for two reason; for the healing done by a man that requires God's input through the blessing he bestowed on the one doing the healing; and the blessing he bestowed on the man being healed. If your Doctor gives you medical treatment that heals you do you fail to glorify God? What's that all about?
Paladin
Hi Paladin,I agree that “HolySpirit” is “The Rhema”. And know also that a
Rhema is a segment of The Word ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs),
therefore The Word is the “HolySpirit”! Why does
this “Bible Truth” doctrine escape you?“The Word” is [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs the same as John 1:1!
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know
that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father
said unto me, so I speak.Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all “filled with the HolySpirit”, and they spake “The word” of God with boldness.Acts 12:24 But “The word” of God grew and multiplied.
Acts 19:20 So mightily grew “The word” of God and prevailed.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Hi Paladin, I agree that “HolySpirit” is “The Rhema”. And know also that a
Rhema is a segment of The Word ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs),
therefore The Word is the “HolySpirit”! Why does
this “Bible Truth” doctrine escape you?Because it is not a “bible truth” as you assert. We are told the Spirit is the reema of God; we are told the logos was Theos; we are never told logos is theos.
And while it is true, both logos and reema are included in logian, it is not true that reema is segment of logos. Logos is a concept or idea, thought, or “matter.” Reema is the written account that either explains or contains the logos.One is not a “segment” of the other. Jesus spoke both the reema and the logos of God. But he is not the logos nor the reema.
Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 21 2011,23:16) Jesus spoke both the reema and the logos of God. But he is not the logos nor the reema.
Hi Paladin,Seems we agree on this point as well.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,10:22) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 21 2011,10:03) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:53) Hi Irene, And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
What does that have to do with The Word of God or His Holy Spirit. Yes, He is in Jesus, and Yes God's Holy Spirit is in us, which we received at baptism….The Word of God is a title just like God is. They both have other names. Jehovah God and Yeshua(Jesus)
And the Word became flesh, Jesus became flesh, while Gods Holy Spirit did not. It lives in us…..Not as a being like you want to make it…..
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,So are you saying: “The Word” does not become flesh in you?
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Mathew10:12 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
Ed You comparing my words with what of John 1:1 is?
That is ridiculous. The Word of God became flesh, I am flesh, was not Spirit like The Word of God was and is. I have given you enough Scriptures to show you that the Holy Spirit is of God not is God, and yet you refuse to agree with those Scriptures. Why?
As far as Paladin is concerned, I think She believes in a trinity. That is why she believes the Holy Spirit of God is God like you do…..i could be wrong about her, so if you read this Paladin, speak up….
Peace IreneQuote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,07:38) To All, These are the verses that PROVE “The Word” is REALLY The HolySpirit”!
Zech.4:6
Zech.12:1Matt.13:19
Mark 4:14
Mark13:11
Mark 13:19
Luke 3:2
Luke 8:11
John 12:49
John 14:24
John 17:6-8
John 17:14
Acts 4:31
Acts 10:36-38
Acts 10:44
Acts 11:15-16
Acts 13:4-5
Acts 13:47-49
Acts 17:11
Acts 20:32
Romans 9:5-6
Romans 10:17
1Cor. 12:8-9
1Cor. 14:36
2Cor. 5:19
2Cor. 6:6-7
Gal.6:6
Eph. 1:12-13
Eph. 5:26
Eph. 6:17
Phillip.2:16
1Tm.5:17-18
2Tm.2:11-15
2Tm.4:2
Hebrews 1:1-2
Hebrews 2:2-3
Hebrews 4:2-6
Hebrews 4:8-12
Hebrews 5:13-14
Hebrews 7:28
Hebrews 11:3
Hebrews 12:19
James 1:18
1Peter 1:21-23
1Peter 2:6-8
1John 2:7-10
Rev.1:2
Rev.1:9
Rev.19:11-16
Rev.20:4God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Irene,“The Word” is the Holy Spirit; Haven't I have given you enough Scriptures to PROVE that to you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 24 2011,08:52) Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,07:38) To All, These are the verses that PROVE “The Word” is REALLY The HolySpirit”!
Zech.4:6
Zech.12:1Matt.13:19
Mark 4:14
Mark13:11
Mark 13:19
Luke 3:2
Luke 8:11
John 12:49
John 14:24
John 17:6-8
John 17:14
Acts 4:31
Acts 10:36-38
Acts 10:44
Acts 11:15-16
Acts 13:4-5
Acts 13:47-49
Acts 17:11
Acts 20:32
Romans 9:5-6
Romans 10:17
1Cor. 12:8-9
1Cor. 14:36
2Cor. 5:19
2Cor. 6:6-7
Gal.6:6
Eph. 1:12-13
Eph. 5:26
Eph. 6:17
Phillip.2:16
1Tm.5:17-18
2Tm.2:11-15
2Tm.4:2
Hebrews 1:1-2
Hebrews 2:2-3
Hebrews 4:2-6
Hebrews 4:8-12
Hebrews 5:13-14
Hebrews 7:28
Hebrews 11:3
Hebrews 12:19
James 1:18
1Peter 1:21-23
1Peter 2:6-8
1John 2:7-10
Rev.1:2
Rev.1:9
Rev.19:11-16
Rev.20:4God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Irene,“The Word” is the Holy Spirit; Haven't I have given you enough Scriptures to PROVE that to you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
By what you call prove, you really mean, having fun, don't you?Georg
Quote (Baker @ Feb. 24 2011,07:56) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,10:22) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 21 2011,10:03) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:53) Hi Irene, And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
What does that have to do with The Word of God or His Holy Spirit. Yes, He is in Jesus, and Yes God's Holy Spirit is in us, which we received at baptism….The Word of God is a title just like God is. They both have other names. Jehovah God and Yeshua(Jesus)
And the Word became flesh, Jesus became flesh, while Gods Holy Spirit did not. It lives in us…..Not as a being like you want to make it…..
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,So are you saying: “The Word” does not become flesh in you?
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Mathew10:12 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
Ed You comparing my words with what of John 1:1 is? That is ridiculous. The Word of God became flesh, I am flesh, was not Spirit like The Word of God was and is. I have given you enough Scriptures to show you that the Holy Spirit is of God not is God, and yet you refuse to agree with those Scriptures. Why?
As far as Paladin is concerned, I think She believes in a trinity. That is why she believes the Holy Spirit of God is God like you do…..i could be wrong about her, so if you read this Paladin, speak up….
Peace Irene
Hello Irene;Please allow me to set the record to “correct” – I am a 76 year old male. A “Paladin” was a “knight” in days gone by.
Now, as to your post –
Quote The Word of God became flesh, Might I offer an observation? John does not say “ho logos theou” = “the word of God” – John says “ho logos” The word became flesh. There is a tremendous doctrinal difference developed in scripture over this issue.
Quote I am flesh, was not Spirit like The Word of God was and is. The word of God “ho logos theou” was never spirit. Reema is the spirit.[Eph 6:17] – “which” modifies spirit, not sword. The logos and the reema are not identical, both are translated
“Word” and “Word of God” but not in some of the references offered in posts on this board.For example, “ho logos” is translated “word” in John 1, but
“ton logon tou theou” is translated “the word of God” in Col 1:25. In other words my friend, for “the logos” to become “the word of God” requires some additonal help from the Greek.This becomes important when formulating what it is we believe agout the logos, and the logos of God. They are not the same.
For example many corrupt “ton logos tou theou” the logos of God II Cor 2:17 and at the same time, others submit their life to Christ so tht it is no longer they that live, but Christ lives in them, which (the concept) is “the logos of God” according to Paul in Col 1:25-27]
Quote
I have given you enough Scriptures to show you that the Holy Spirit is of God not is God, and yet you refuse to agree with those Scriptures. Why?Is there a difference between “My Spirit” and “the spirit of me?”
“..the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets..” Do you understand this to reference a spirit that is the prophet, or a spirit belonging to the prophet? (multiplicity understood)
Why God's spirit?
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.” [Joel 2:28-32]“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” [Acts 2:16-21]As for whether it is God's spirit” or “the spirit of God” it helps if one remembers it is a translation that is being discussed, not a fact of life.
As far as Paladin is concerned, I think She believes in a trinity. That is why she believes the Holy Spirit of God is God like you do…..i could be wrong about her, so if you read this Paladin, speak up….
Peace IreneAnd grace and hope to you Irene. And no, I am not trinitarian. The reason I believe God is the Holy SPirit is because there is no 3rd person of a trinity Holy Spirit ever identifiably introduced into scripture. It comes strictly from doctrines developed after the second century.
Hi Paladin,
Acts 12:24 But “The Word” of God grew and multiplied.
Acts 19:20 So mightily grew “The Word” of God and prevailed.How can “The Word” ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) grow and multiply?
Because “The Word”(HolySpirit) is “the seed” of “BIBLE TRUTH”!The seed is “The Word” of God. (Luke 8:11)
“The Word” produces Children: Starting with Jesus
Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word(TheSeed “IS” HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.The Seed(HolySpirit) produces “Fruit” that multiplies
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away(die): for if I
go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
John 12:24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat (Jesus=74) fall into the
ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much “fruit”(74).Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,21:48) Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 21 2011,21:16) Hello again Ed; God the Father is the Holy Spirit.
Paladin
Hi Paladin,Glad to see we're in agreement! …(Click Here)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, found this article interesting and it was an idea I've never heard. I realize now I have no idea what you actually believe with regard to God, Jesus, and the holy spirit and how they are related.If you could, could you state simply what you believe with respect to these?
(I know that this thread is about how the “word” may be the holy spirit, but I see others have made comments about how you may also think that the Father is the holy spirit.)
Hi David,
Rather than me trying to guess what you want to know,
why don't you instead ask me some specific questions.
That way I will surley address your concerns; deal?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDo you believe the Father is the holy spirit?
Do you believe the Word is the holy spirit?
In simple English, what is the holy spirit?Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,07:31) (1)Do you believe the Father is the holy spirit?
(2)Do you believe the Word is the holy spirit?
(3)In simple English, what is the holy spirit?
Hi David,1) Yes. (see Lev.11:45 and John 4:24)
2) Yes. (see Eph. 6:17 and John 6:63)
3) God. (see Acts 5:3-4 and Luke 1:35)
“at the mouth of two witnesses(see my references), or at the mouth
of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.” (Deut. 19:15)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote 1) Yes. (see Lev.11:45 and John 4:24) Ed, we of course agree that God is “holy” as Lev says and we agree that he is a spirit, as John 4:24 says.
This does not mean that he is the “holy spirit.”
DOES THE BIBLE TEACH OR SAY THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD?
How many times does the Bible “tell”us that Jehovah is God? Expressions we find in the Bible:
Jehovah your God–455 times
Jehovah the God of–204 times
Jehovah our God–105 times
Jehovah God–50 times
Jehovah their God–39 times
Jehovah my God–40 times
Jehovah his God–29 times
Jehovah the [true] God–8 times.
the [true] God Jehovah–4 times
Jehovah is a God–7 times
Jehovah a God–1 time
Jehovah is in truth God–1 time
Jehovah is God–1 time
Jehovah is my God–1 time
Jehovah is our God–1 timeDoes the Bible ever say: “the holy spirit is my God,” or “holy spirit the God” or “the holy spirit my God”?
Expressions such as this occur 1000 times with reference to Jehovah.
Does the expression: “the holy spirit your God” occur 455 times, as it does of “Jehovah your God”?Why is it that no scripture says clearly and plainly that the holy spirit is God?
It is because it is clear and plain that God’s holy spirit, is not God.DID JESUS FOLLOWERS WORSHIP THE HOLY SPIRIT AS GOD?
There is no evidence that when Jesus was on earth, faithful Jews viewed the holy spirit as a person equal to the Father. They certainly did not worship the holy spirit. Rather, their worship was directed solely to Jehovah, the One whom Jesus looked to as his God. (John 20:17; Eph 1:17; Col 1:3)
The holy spirit is never worshiped in scripture, and neither does any verse of Scripture command such worship. This is odd if the holy spirit is truly a co-equal and co-eternal member of a triune “God” worthy of worship. If “God” is worthy of worship, and “God” exists in three persons, then shouldn’t each “God” person be worthy of worship? Then why is this idea not found in the Scripture?
How can this be harmonized with the belief that the holy spirit is equal with both the Father and the Son?WHY DOESN’T THE HOLY SPIRIT KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS?
LUKE 10:22
“who the Son is no one knows but the Father; and who the Father is, no one [knows] but the Son, and he to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.”
You’d think if the holy spirit was God, he would be included in this. For some reason, only the Father truly knows the Son and only the Son truly knows the Father.
MARK 13:32
““Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32)
Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?
If the holy spirit is a separate and distinct being with personality, then Jesus either did not know this or was very inconsistent in giving “Him” proper due.
If the holy spirit is a person distinct from the Father, and is also omniscient and almighty “God,” then would he not also have to know what the Father knows? Jesus’ statement, then, would not have been true. If the holy spirit is a person and God, then Jesus statement is a lie.
How could the holy spirit be kept in the dark about this very important prophetic event? Are we to believe that it is possible for one member of the Godhead to keep a secret from another member while sharing the same eternal and divine “essence” of “Godself”?
The holy spirit is conspicuously missing from this statement, just as it is missing from in the many visions seen of God and Jesus below:USED POSSESSIVELY
More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.” All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person.—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:26) DOES THE BIBLE TEACH OR SAY THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD?
Hi David,Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit, and to keep back part of the price
of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?
why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:26) Does the Bible ever say: “the holy spirit is my God,” or “holy spirit the God” or “the holy spirit my God”?
Hi David,Heb 12:5-9 My son, despise not thou the chastening of the LORD, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the LORD loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure
chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and in you all.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi David,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi David,
I guess I'll have to wait until you go get more watchtower propaganda materials to post; aye?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,09:35) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:26) DOES THE BIBLE TEACH OR SAY THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD?
Hi David,Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit, and to keep back part of the price
of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?
why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Luke and Matthew wrote of the same thing. One recorded that “by means of God’s finger,” Jesus expelled demons. The other explained that Jesus did this “by means of God’s spirit.” (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28) So the holy spirit is “God’s finger,” his instrument for accomplishing his will.It is often spoken of possessively, as if it is something that God possesses, like a finger, or a hand, or arm.
As I said above, more than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” and “spirit of Jesus Christ.”—Judg. 3:10; Matt. 3:16; Acts 2:18; Phil. 1:19; Ps 51:11; Joel 2:28,29
Since this is the case running through the Bible,how should Acts 5:3,4 be understood?
Lying to God's finger or arm, or hand, (or holy spirit) is the same as lying to God.
If I said: Someone punched me in the arm. And a second later, said they punched ME, we would understand that.
Why can we not understand Acts 5?
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,09:48) Hi David, I guess I'll have to wait until you go get more watchtower propaganda materials to post; aye?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, I'm starting to think less of you in more than one way.I have mentioned specifically to you today in a PM that I haven't been posting watchtower articles.
If you think I have, please go find them….
I only do that when people want to know what JW's officially believe. (And that makes sense to do, doesn't it?)
I have not been pushing JW propaganda. Go read your PM again. And try to think harder about what I said.
If your smily face meant that it was a complete joke, than I am sorry.
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