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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 19 2011,07:41) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2011,13:28) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 18 2011,08:20) Georg…………..It is the message , the same applies to Jesus , the Spirit produces the WORDS (intelligent utterance) and the words spoken ARE SPIRIT, NOT the person speaking those word, This applies to Jesus also, Just as it does to anyone else, rather angel or man makes no difference, it is still the Spirit (intellect) of GOD producing those words in the person. God who (IS) Spirit was indeed (IN) JESUS and works in all and through all his Childern and Creation. IMO peace and love……………………………………….gene
genePs 51:11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
Isa 63:10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit.
So he turned and became their enemy
and he himself fought against them.
Isa 63:11 Then his people recalled the days of old,
the days of Moses and his people—
where is he who brought them through the sea,
with the shepherd of his flock?
Where is he who set
his Holy Spirit among them,here they say the holy spirit among them,;so ??
Isa 63:10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit. ;;;so now he is grieved
Mt 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit
now you can get baptize with it
?Mk 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.”
now you can sin against it .?
?Lk 1:67 His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:
now you can be filled with it ,?
Lk 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
now it is upon a person,???
Lk 12:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
now it teaches you,???
Ac 1:16 and said, “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David
now it can make you say things,???
Ac 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit
now you can lie to it ,?
Ac 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit
now God anointed with it ,?
?Ac 13:4 The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit
now he is guiding people,?
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
now it make decission,?
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
now it is not given to all to know it ,???
well this is what it does so do you know what it is
Terricca…………..Right and everything you quoted deals with the Mind which is the intellect of a person. So where is that any different to what i have been saying all along, and none of the is showing a person or Being of any kind. God is SPIRIT Spirit is not a being it is a MIND composed of Intellects IN THE BEING.This is the point of all of this discussion on spirit it is to identify (IT) in a simple way so we all can come to a clearer understand of what Spirit IS, Is it a Person? ,(NO) it is what is (IN) a Person, There is Spirit (intellect) (IN) Man, There is also GODS SPIRIT (intellect) that can exist (IN) Man, or Angels . It was GOD'S Spirit which was the ANOINTING SPIRIT following the childern of Israel in the wilderness, working through Men and Angles, it was not the Man or Preexisting Jesus. This is why it is so important we fully understand what Spirit really Is , because it will dispel all these false teachings about Jesus and Satan , God, and many other things as well. IMO
peace and Love…………………………….gene
geneno,you did not read the scriptures i quote,and the questions,
some , yes you right ,but all do not implicate the mind,
so if you want the truth of it ,they all have to fit in one direction and all have to apply,
if not you are wrong in your conclusion that it is the “mind”
or it could be the mind and something else.Pierre
Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 06 2011,09:57) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2011,09:39) Hi Paladin, Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:There are not many here interested in studying together.
I believe “ho Logos” is the entirety of “The Word”,
while “Rhema” is segments written or spoken.
The “sword” would be “Rhema” of course.
Glad you're here! Please continue!
Look closely at 1Peter1:10-12.You lost me on the numbers you display. What do they represent?
Where do they come from?
Who decides what they mean?
Hi Paladin,Defining the terms…
Gematria: is the use of number valuations, associating different words together, through integers.
“Gematria” is a powerful tool, which can be used with Hebrew, Greek and English languages;
illustrating through the use number associations: Gematria crosses languages barriers.Theomatics: is the practice of using “Gematria” to associate Theological ideas together;
through the use of multiplication factors derived from their Gematria valuations.The God Numbers: are specific reoccurring “Theomatic numbers” in the AKJV Bible;
that not only help to prove GOD’s existence, but also help to clarify many doctrinal beliefs.Gematria: illustrated as a parable, is much like a loaded gun…
Is a gun an instrument of evil? That depends on how it is used; doesn’t it?
In the hands of a rebellious criminal, it is indeed. Yet put that same gun
in the hands of a trained Police officer and it becomes an instrument of peace.Prov.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
This powerful information is relatively unknown to mainstream Christianity, yet it's function is
neither irrelevant nor inconsequential; and can be proven that God orchestrated it’s design!
In the free e-book called “HolyCityBibleCode”, I expound upon these proofs in greater detail.Purpose of Theomatics
Stringing words together to try to tell a story does only that, tell a story.
What people need is the information that clicks on the inside of them.
Then they are in a better position to help expose the truth to others,
completing a never ending cycle of establishing “TRUTH”. (Psalm 78:4-7)I believe that the truth of English Gematria needs to be exposed by people
like you and me before we will see any real change in the world, as the religious
community will not even touch it until their religious leaders at least begin to take it
seriously. Then they will be in a better position to prove GOD exists to a non-believing
world, which will ultimately benefit us all. Creating a better world for Generations to come!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 06 2011,10:01) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2011,09:40) Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 06 2011,06:54) “His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The logos [Word] of God.” [Rev 19:12-13]
Hi Paladin,Understand “Rev.19:11-21” is talking about The “HolySpirit”.
“Father: The Word“ = “HolySpirit“
Isaiah means: (YHVH=63) “Ya is Savior”
(Click Here)Isaiah 63:2-10 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel(Jer.4:30), and thy garments like him
that treadeth in the winefat? I (HolySpirit) have trodden the winepress alone (Rev.19:15);
and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample
them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments(Rev.19:13), and I will
stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me(Job.40:10-14); and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the
people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength(Ez.28:9) to
the earth. I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to
all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which
he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-
kindnesses. For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Savior.
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his
pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and
vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he(HolySpirit) fought against them.Does this information help? (Mark 4:12) Consider also Rev.4:5-6 and Zech.3:9…
Revelation 4:5-6 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:
and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne,
and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.Zech.3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua(Jesus); upon one
stone(Rev.2:17) shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof,
saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote
Understand “Rev.19:11-21” is talking about The “HolySpirit”.o.k. a where do you get this from?
Isaiah 63:2-10Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2011,12:56) Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 06 2011,09:57) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2011,09:39) Hi Paladin, Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:There are not many here interested in studying together.
I believe “ho Logos” is the entirety of “The Word”,
while “Rhema” is segments written or spoken.
The “sword” would be “Rhema” of course.
Glad you're here! Please continue!
Look closely at 1Peter1:10-12.You lost me on the numbers you display. What do they represent?
Where do they come from?
Who decides what they mean?
Hi Paladin,Defining the terms…
Gematria: is the use of number valuations, associating different words together, through integers.
“Gematria” is a powerful tool, which can be used with Hebrew, Greek and English languages;
illustrating through the use number associations: Gematria crosses languages barriers.Theomatics: is the practice of using “Gematria” to associate Theological ideas together;
through the use of multiplication factors derived from their Gematria valuations.The God Numbers: are specific reoccurring “Theomatic numbers” in the AKJV Bible;
that not only help to prove GOD’s existence, but also help to clarify many doctrinal beliefs.Gematria: illustrated as a parable, is much like a loaded gun…
Is a gun an instrument of evil? That depends on how it is used; doesn’t it?
In the hands of a rebellious criminal, it is indeed. Yet put that same gun
in the hands of a trained Police officer and it becomes an instrument of peace.Prov.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
This powerful information is relatively unknown to mainstream Christianity, yet it's function is
neither irrelevant nor inconsequential; and can be proven that God orchestrated it’s design!
In the free e-book called “HolyCityBibleCode”, I expound upon these proofs in greater detail.Purpose of Theomatics
Stringing words together to try to tell a story does only that, tell a story.
What people need is the information that clicks on the inside of them.
Then they are in a better position to help expose the truth to others,
completing a never ending cycle of establishing “TRUTH”. (Psalm 78:4-7)I believe that the truth of English Gematria needs to be exposed by people
like you and me before we will see any real change in the world, as the religious
community will not even touch it until their religious leaders at least begin to take it
seriously. Then they will be in a better position to prove GOD exists to a non-believing
world, which will ultimately benefit us all. Creating a better world for Generations to come!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, thank you!Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 07 2011,01:03) No, thank you!
Hi Paladin,“the sharp sword” is “The Word”!
And the “HolySpirit” is HE and I !What do you suppose “the sharp sword” is in Rev.19:15?
Rev.19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it
he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood
shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.But they rebelled, and vexed
his HolySpirit: therefore he
was turned to be their enemy,
and he fought against them. (Isaiah 63:10)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Paladin @ Feb. 07 2011,01:03) No, thank you!
Hi Paladin,I will put it in words you can understand.
Lord means owner.
YHVH is “The Owner”(The LORD); Jesus is owner(Lord)YHVH is HolySpirit.
HolySpirit is “The Word”; Jesus equals word(I will explain how).This PROOF really is not that difficult to understand… (Matt.18:16)
In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.John 1:1 was written in Greek.
The word for “Word” in Greek is: [λογος] Lōgôs
and [λογος] has a “Theomatic” value of 373; and [ [373 is the 74th prime number] ]“The Word” from the Greek is: [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs
[ο λογος] has a “Theomatic” value of 443; and [ [443 is the 86th prime number] ].
Here is a chart for you to see the “Bible Truth” that I refer to! …English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God” ↔ “God” ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
YHVH(63) = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 08 2011,18:21) Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 07 2011,01:03) No, thank you!
Hi Paladin,I will put it in words you can understand.
Lord means owner.
YHVH is “The Owner”(The LORD); Jesus is owner(Lord)YHVH is HolySpirit.
HolySpirit is “The Word”; Jesus equals word(I will explain how).This PROOF really is not that difficult to understand… (Matt.18:16)
In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.John 1:1 was written in Greek.
The word for “Word” in Greek is: [λογος] Lōgôs
and [λογος] has a “Theomatic” value of 373; and [ [373 is the 74th prime number] ]“The Word” from the Greek is: [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs
[ο λογος] has a “Theomatic” value of 443; and [ [443 is the 86th prime number] ].
Here is a chart for you to see the “Bible Truth” that I refer to! …English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God” ↔ “God” ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
YHVH(63) = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI learned a looong time ago, that all those funny little numbers do not “add up” to that which is attributed to them.
For example, you claim the Holy spirit is the logos because you can add.
I claim the Holy Spirit is the reema, because I can read. [Eph 6:17]
“And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” [Eph 6:17]
That little word “which” is a modifier. That modifier “which” is a Greek neuter singular relative pronoun; it therefore modifies a neuter singular noun. “Sword” is a feminine singular noun, therefore cannot be the noun modified by the relative pronoun “which.” “Spirit” is a neuter singular noun. “Which” modifies “Spirit,” therefore “Spirit” is the reema of God.
John said “ho logos was theos” [John 1:1c]
John said “ho logos” became flesh. [John 1:14]
Since “ho logos and theos are inconvertible terms in John 1:1c, they are inconvertible terms in John 1:14. the natural consequence of this is, when “ho logos became flesh,” theos did NOT.John said “ho logos was theos;” NO ONE EVER said “ho logos is theos;” bECAUSE “HO LOGOS” became something else that is not theos. “ho logos” changed, “theos” did not.
None of this can be learned by adding numbers; it can be learned only through prayerfully reading scripture.
Hi Paladin .
Here is a debate on John 1:1 that might be of interest to you.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2011,20:44) Hi Paladin . Here is a debate on John 1:1 that might be of interest to you.
Very interesting.Way too many assumptions are contributed to John's opening statement.
For example:
It is assumed John is referencing the beginning of creation, but Jesus himself said “But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.” [John 16:4]Mark 10:6 But from the [arxees ktisews] beginning of the creation God [epoieesen] made them male and female.
Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the [arxees ktisews] beginning of the creation which God [ektisen] created unto this time, neither shall be.
2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the [arxees ktisews] beginning of the creation.
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the [ee arxee tees ktisews tou theou] beginning of the creation of God;
We know that Peter, Luke, and John had all referenced the beginning of creation, so it is not likely that John did not know how to reference the beginning of creaiton if that was what he intended to convey.
Example:
It is assumed “logos” is a reference to a preexistant Jesus.Example:
It is assumed ton theon and theos are not one and the same God.Example:
It is assumed God is either trinity, or monotheism is true; not both.Example:
It is assumed logos is what John said logos was.
No verse anywhere teaches “ho logos is theos.”But Eph 6:17 does teach that the Spirit is the reema of God.
These assumptions are related to my own debate experience, not to your debate, thouch some of them might apply, I cannot point to any of them as so categorized.
Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 10 2011,20:28) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 08 2011,18:21) Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 07 2011,01:03) No, thank you!
Hi Paladin,I will put it in words you can understand.
Lord means owner.
YHVH is “The Owner”(The LORD); Jesus is owner(Lord)YHVH is HolySpirit.
HolySpirit is “The Word”; Jesus equals word(I will explain how).This PROOF really is not that difficult to understand… (Matt.18:16)
In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.John 1:1 was written in Greek.
The word for “Word” in Greek is: [λογος] Lōgôs
and [λογος] has a “Theomatic” value of 373; and [ [373 is the 74th prime number] ]“The Word” from the Greek is: [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs
[ο λογος] has a “Theomatic” value of 443; and [ [443 is the 86th prime number] ].
Here is a chart for you to see the “Bible Truth” that I refer to! …English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God” ↔ “God” ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
YHVH(63) = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI learned a looong time ago, that all those funny little numbers do not “add up” to that which is attributed to them.
For example, you claim the Holy spirit is the logos because you can add.
I claim the Holy Spirit is the reema, because I can read. [Eph 6:17]
“And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” [Eph 6:17]
That little word “which” is a modifier. That modifier “which” is a Greek neuter singular relative pronoun; it therefore modifies a neuter singular noun. “Sword” is a feminine singular noun, therefore cannot be the noun modified by the relative pronoun “which.” “Spirit” is a neuter singular noun. “Which” modifies “Spirit,” therefore “Spirit” is the reema of God.
John said “ho logos was theos” [John 1:1c]
John said “ho logos” became flesh. [John 1:14]
Since “ho logos and theos are inconvertible terms in John 1:1c, they are inconvertible terms in John 1:14. the natural consequence of this is, when “ho logos became flesh,” theos did NOT.John said “ho logos was theos;” NO ONE EVER said “ho logos is theos;” bECAUSE “HO LOGOS” became something else that is not theos. “ho logos” changed, “theos” did not.
None of this can be learned by adding numbers; it can be learned only through prayerfully reading scripture.
Hi Paladin,Did the “HolySpirit” (in essence) become flesh in Jesus?
“The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” (John 14:10)
Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power:
who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 06 2011,09:40) Quote (Paladin @ Feb. 06 2011,06:54) “His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The logos [Word] of God.” [Rev 19:12-13]
Hi Paladin,Understand “Rev.19:11-21” is talking about The “HolySpirit”.
“Father: The Word“ = “HolySpirit“
Isaiah means: (YHVH=63) “Ya is Savior”
(Click Here)Isaiah 63:2-10 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel(Jer.4:30), and thy garments like him
that treadeth in the winefat? I (HolySpirit) have trodden the winepress alone (Rev.19:15);
and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample
them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments(Rev.19:13), and I will
stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me(Job.40:10-14); and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the
people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength(Ez.28:9) to
the earth. I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to
all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which
he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-
kindnesses. For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Savior.
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his
pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and
vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he(HolySpirit) fought against them.Does this information help? (Mark 4:12) Consider also Rev.4:5-6 and Zech.3:9…
Revelation 4:5-6 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices:
and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne,
and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.Zech.3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua(Jesus); upon one
stone(Rev.2:17) shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof,
saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed How do you get God's Holy Spirit out of these scriptures. Just like John 1:1-14 is not God's holy Spirit either. it is Jesus who became flesh……But then there is no way convincing you…..I know that… but for the sake of Guest's who read here, I say you are wrong Ed.Rev 19:11 ¶ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Next post I will give some scriptures that shows us that it is Gods Holy Spirit, not a person or a He….. it is an essence like patience, hope, kindness etc.
Peace IreneRev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 ¶ And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Hi Irene,
And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)these Scriptures show us that the Holy Spirit is Jehovah God's spirit….
1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
MY SPIRIT
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
MY SPIRIT
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,
Did you even read the Post of mine you quoted?
I don't believe you did; would that not be hypocritical of you?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Baker @ Feb. 21 2011,09:56) these Scriptures show us that the Holy Spirit is Jehovah God's spirit…. 1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
MY SPIRIT
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
MY SPIRIT
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,What do any of these Scriptures have to do with your assertion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:53) Hi Irene, And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
What does that have to do with The Word of God or His Holy Spirit. Yes, He is in Jesus, and Yes God's Holy Spirit is in us, which we received at baptism….The Word of God is a title just like God is. They both have other names. Jehovah God and Yeshua(Jesus)
And the Word became flesh, Jesus became flesh, while Gods Holy Spirit did not. It lives in us…..Not as a being like you want to make it…..
Peace IreneQuote (Baker @ Feb. 21 2011,10:03) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:53) Hi Irene, And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
What does that have to do with The Word of God or His Holy Spirit. Yes, He is in Jesus, and Yes God's Holy Spirit is in us, which we received at baptism….The Word of God is a title just like God is. They both have other names. Jehovah God and Yeshua(Jesus)
And the Word became flesh, Jesus became flesh, while Gods Holy Spirit did not. It lives in us…..Not as a being like you want to make it…..
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,So are you saying: “The Word” does not become flesh in you?
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Mathew10:12 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)all
2Jn 1:7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
so the deceivers are the ones who do not obey to Christ gospel I mean practice it ,like do what it say the way it is in scriptures,
that is the faith that saves,
believing is doing it.Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:53) Hi Irene, And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1)
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people?
Do you “think” these ideas may be connected?And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed,
turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?
Luke 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there
not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org …(Eccl.9:12-16)
Hello Ed;
YOU WROTE:Quote And “The Word” was God! …(John 1:1) Why is it everybody misses the significance of that little Greek word “Hn” (pronounced een?); this word tells us at least two things about “ho logos” and “theos.”
1) there is no verse in scripture that says “ho logos is theos.” John 1:1 says “ho logos was theos.”
The reason for John writing it this way is simple, “ho logos” became something else, “theos” did not.
Why you keep insisting Holy Spirit is “logos” is confusing, since I showed you the scripture that plainly says Holy Spirit is
“reema.”[Eph 6:17] “…And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the reema of God:” “Which” modifies “Spirit” not “sword.”YOU WROTE:
Quote
How do you 'miss' this connection?
You do understand that God is “IN” Jesus!
John 10:38: But if I do, though ye believe not me,
believe the works: that ye may know,
and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. … (John 1:14)You do understand, don't you Ed, that both God and Jesus are in the Christian who is faithful? And it is the same way God is in Jesus. You do understand that don't you Ed? “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;…” [John 17:21-23] Jesus himself said he wants the disciples to be one “even as” meaning “in the same way” as He and the Father are one.
YOU WROTE:
Quote Why do you think Jesus was able to heal people? Why do you suppose the apostles were able to heal and castr out demons, and raise the dead? Because Jesus gave them power to do so, just as God gave Jesus the power to do so.
YOU WROTE:
Quote And one of them(the ten leapers), when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, (Luke 17:15)
Was the leaper (as WJ may assume) calling Jesus: “God”?No, he was glofifying God for two reason; for the healing done by a man that requires God's input through the blessing he bestowed on the one doing the healing; and the blessing he bestowed on the man being healed. If your Doctor gives you medical treatment that heals you do you fail to glorify God? What's that all about?
Paladin
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,09:59) Quote (Baker @ Feb. 21 2011,09:56) these Scriptures show us that the Holy Spirit is Jehovah God's spirit…. 1Jo 4:1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
MY SPIRIT
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
THE SPIRIT OF GOD
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
MY SPIRIT
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,What do any of these Scriptures have to do with your assertion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hello again Ed; May I insert a point of clarification? Irene has shown that God the Father is the Holy Spirit. I know this because the entire old testamant so testifies. The New testament also teaches this understanding. consider two verses for an example of a fact that is totally verifiable and verified.“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.” [Joel 2:28-32]
Now look at “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” [Acts 2:16-21]
Now, Ed, please indicate for us where you think a third-person-of a trinity Holy Spirit is ever introduced into scripture.
Paladin
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