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If we are sincere in our walk, the Lamb of God will feed us.
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according to the scriptures above your comment is not true ;
Ro 10:2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Ro 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousnessYou are saying it is not possible for the Lamb to feed the sincere?
Would those spoken of in Romans be the sincere ones?
What kind of a rebuttal is that? It’s all over the place.John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
John 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
John 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
John 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
If the sheep hear the shepherds voice, then they are hearing his doctrine. The sheep know is doctrine. In the past, there were also many sheep listening to Christ’s doctrine, and through all the generations. What I was explaining to Keras, is that in these last days, the wolves that came in to the fold (the true antichrists) have contaminated the true doctrine. They do not decrease, but increase. We are living in the last days. All this work that Satan has put into destroying the true doctrine that Christ delivered from his Father has contaminated this doctrine delivered. This is the flood the serpent sent to destroy the Woman (God’s doctrine) and this flood causes desolations. It is a dry land so devoid of truth, that the end of it results in the big deception that is coming to the world. This is the Mark of the Beast. The final initiation of Satan’s kingdom, imprinted into out bodies. This is the last straw. All these desolations will lead to this. A world devoid of truth, with only a few that can find it.
This is why the 144K are so special. They held on to that true uncontaminated doctrine that was always there, hidden amongst the weeds, because Christ fed them. But you say Christ can’t feed his sheep?
There are many many sheep, but devoid of truth because the shepherds that were for hire did not care for them and feed them properly. I would say many sheep love the Lord, but have error in their doctrine. They therefore cannot be true witnesses to that doctrine delivered. Can you see now?
But God has not cast them aside, and will give those of the last generation one last chance to prove their loyalty. This would be to save their lives by taking the mark of the beast, or to lose it by refusing. This is the big test. We will see how many christians can go without when it comes to the crunch?.
If they were fed properly they will be prepared.
If they were not fed right, they will be forgiven if they pass this big test. They will be purified with fire, because they did not make their garments clean and white before. Now God has to clean it the hard way for the saving of their souls.The 144K have made their garments white already. They were fed by the lamb. It appears that the 144K will be spared through this tribulation period. They will not be raptured away, but will remain here during the maybe the first 6 trumpets, unharmed. They will be taken up first, just before the rest. They are still of the first resurrection. They are there with the lamb when he comes. It does not show the rest there at this stage, but they will come very shortly. So I was showing Keras that they were resurrected already in that scripture he gave. But he is gone away again, and you have taken this to another topic, proving what? that you T8, and Mike are the only ones who know because you three agree? Well from what I’ve witnessed, you three don’t all agree on everything so that statement is not true and I’m sure they would not appreciate you spreading that lie.
We should aim to get into this group of the 144K. All of us. To be amongst the ones that were properly fed by the lamb himself.
but you don’t know about this because you think the 144K are from 70AD or something. So this will all go over your head.Pierre, we are fully loaded. Everything we say you think we make up on the spot, but have back-up from the scriptures and from what is happening today. We cannot post every single scripture on here, but when it is rebutted, we will bring them out to shame your false accusations and bitter intent in the hope you will not be so proud and judgemental causing divisions by your ramblings.
j42
You are saying it is not possible for the Lamb to feed the sincere?
Would those spoken of in Romans be the sincere ones?
What kind of a rebuttal is that? It’s all over the place.if you have established that you are already truthful in God and Christ why then you ask the question ?
what i said is sincerity does not cut ; many are in error and yet sincere in it ;zealous but not according to the truth ,
of course God can help such a person but feed him his truth ? i haven seen one scripture that says that ,did you ?
j42
If the sheep hear the shepherds voice, then they are hearing his doctrine. The sheep know is doctrine. In the past, there were also many sheep listening to Christ’s doctrine, and through all the generations. What I was explaining to Keras, is that in these last days, the wolves that came in to the fold (the true antichrists) have contaminated the true doctrine. They do not decrease, but increase. We are living in the last days. All this work that Satan has put into destroying the true doctrine that Christ delivered from his Father has contaminated this doctrine delivered. This is the flood the serpent sent to destroy the Woman (God’s doctrine) and this flood causes desolations. It is a dry land so devoid of truth, that the end of it results in the big deception that is coming to the world. This is the Mark of the Beast. The final initiation of Satan’s kingdom, imprinted into out bodies. This is the last straw. All these desolations will lead to this. A world devoid of truth, with only a few that can find it.
doctrine sounds like the law what do you means by DOCTRINE ?
J42
Pierre, we are fully loaded. Everything we say you think we make up on the spot, but have back-up from the scriptures and from what is happening today. We cannot post every single scripture on here, but when it is rebutted, we will bring them out to shame your false accusations and bitter intent in the hope you will not be so proud and judgemental causing divisions by your ramblings.
YOU WRONG THAT IS NOT THE WAY nor my way of action ;i read and if it is true to scriptures why would I say it is not ? if I would do such a thing i be a liar and a deceiver ,
but when i see some thing that is not true like it breaks the scriptures,then I say it is wrong ? why do you complain with that ? do you like the truth ? or only your truth ?not God’s truth,
if you correct me with scriptures i be thankful for it would be for my progress ,but you guys for some reason are arguing even on scriptures prove ,
j42
We should aim to get into this group of the 144K. All of us. To be amongst the ones that were properly fed by the lamb himself.
but you don’t know about this because you think the 144K are from 70AD or something. So this will all go over your head.why are you saying “you don’t know ” does not Paul mention that already in his time many did not share his heavenly call ,Phil 3;15
this group is not for us to chose for all of those are called FOR THAT ELECTION,so it is not by desire but by call that we would have access to be within the 144k and that is up to God not us ,
now if you claim to be one of those 144k you will be judged more severely ,for you put on your self a load without having been called FOR THE ELECTION ;just saying that you are called is not enough to be one you have to show through your true understanding within the truth of God that you are one that has been called ,REMEMBER IT SAY MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE ELECTED ;DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?
J42
There are many many sheep, but devoid of truth because the shepherds that were for hire did not care for them and feed them properly. I would say many sheep love the Lord, but have error in their doctrine. They therefore cannot be true witnesses to that doctrine delivered. Can you see now?
ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU GOING TO DO THE WORK OF THE ANGELS ?
DID gOD OR cHRIST TOLD YOU TO GO AND PREACH THE GOSPEL AROUND THE WORLD ? AND BAPTIZE PEOPLE ? WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT ?
IF SO THEN YOU ARE OUT OF cHRIST MESSAGE FOR SURE ;Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
WE AS BELIEVERS HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SHOW TO OUR SURROUNDINGS TO WHOEVER WE MEET THAT cHRIST LIVES IN US ,AND THAT HIS TRUTH AND HIS FATHER TRUTH LIVES IN US if not we have failed our faith
j42
But he is gone away again, and you have taken this to another topic, proving what? that you T8, and Mike are the only ones who know because you three agree? Well from what I’ve witnessed, you three don’t all agree on everything so that statement is not true and I’m sure they would not appreciate you spreading that lie.
first ;we all three know that on some details we may have a different view of things but not on the essentials ,we will always have this differences until we reach the kingdom ,for we are not all capable to have the same history/knowledge/understanding /and time to study all the various factors needed for our maturity ;but we all go in the right direction and truth in all doctrines foundations ;
and that is the must be to all the true believers ,
none of your foundation can break the scriptures on which it is based on ,God cannot lie
God will send his two prophets, Moses and Elijah, and they will witness against Israel and the world.
both have already come ; Moses = Jesus ;the prophet like him that God will send ;
MK 9:11 They asked Him, saying, “Why is it that the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
MK 9:13 “But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”Interesting point Ter. I’ve often wondered that myself.
Of course, there will be many wannabees who will be solely disappointment to know that, IYKWIM.
Hi ,
Two OT prophets??
It is appointed for man ONCE to die and then the Judgement.
You disagree with scripture?
Hi Nick,
“but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
You do know how many people claim to be one of the two prophets today?
Nick
Yes two OT prophets.
Moses and Elijah. Like I said.
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
This day has not come yet.
That’s prophet no. 1Now here’s a big clue who will be with him;
Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Do dead people speak and appear? This was a transfiguration, not a vision of the future.
They were transfigured and there talking with Christ.
(Not resurrected, but bought back to life) for they will die again.
They even witnessed Christ.It is appointed for man ONCE to die and then the Judgement.
You disagree with scripture?
Yes that’s the general rule but there are some exceptions.
Israel will be brought back in the flesh during the millennium, and will die again. So that’s two deaths.
Moses will die twice also.
Elijah did not even die once, so that rule is broken.
The first fruits wont see death either.
You see that general rule of thumb for dying once, is not for all obviously.Hi Wakeup
Yes he will die, At the hands of the False prophet.
I’m pointing out that he has not died yet. As far as I know, he was taken up alive.J42
Yes two OT prophets.
Moses and Elijah. Like I said.
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
This day has not come yet.
That’s prophet no. 1Now here’s a big clue who will be with him;
Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Do dead people speak and appear? This was a transfiguration, not a vision of the future.
They were transfigured and there talking with Christ.
(Not resurrected, but bought back to life) for they will die again.
They even witnessed Christ.MK 9:12 And He said to them, “Elijah does first come and restore all things. And yet how is it written of the Son of Man that He will suffer many things and be treated with contempt?
MK 9:13 “But I say to you that Elijah has indeed come, and they did to him whatever they wished, just as it is written of him.”
Mt 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
Mt 11:15 He who has ears, let him hear.and Jesus Christ is the prophet like Moses ,that would lead the people to the kingdom (promised land)
for this reason was the apparition made for the apostles not for Christ ; yes Elijah did came and so did the prophet that Moses spoke off ,
I cannot see any other interpretation that would in line with scriptures truth that is ,
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Pierre,
The Jews knew of this prophecy above and were expecting Elijah to return, but what they didn’t know is that this prophecy was not to be fulfilled for them in their days.
But will be fulfilled for us in our days, the last days.
Those Jews will be long dead and will not witness this prophecy.They asked John directly if he was Elijah (Elias);
John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.Matthew 11:9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
Matthew 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. (Speaking of John the Baptist, he prepared the way for Christ – Declared he has come)Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.(they had their prophets, John is the last one for them, under the law, and he will suffer violence too.)
Matthew 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
(“IF” you will hear him, this is your Elias, whom you are waiting for)Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matthew 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Matthew 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Matthew 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
(Now Christ is speaking of himself. Elias does not restore all things, Christ does) But Christ is not Elias. We know that. Just like they did whatever they wanted to Elias, they will do the same to Christ, to whomever God sends to them.)The prophet Elias had the spirit of God in him. He was God’s messenger.
John the baptist had the spirit of Elijah in him. He was not Elijah, but had the same spirit in him that Elijah had – The spirit of God.Jesus had the same spirit in him, the Spirit of God, but was more than a prophet. He is THAT light.
The Jews were waiting for Elijah, and Christ was not giving too much away to them.
Christ is saying to them in his cryptic way that Elijah has already come and they did what they wanted to him, so what’s the fuss?
We need to “Listen to the messenger” whomever God sends. Doesn’t matter who he sends, which prophet, but “Hear the message”, because it’s the message that’s important. It comes from God. He uses whoever he wants.They didn’t listen to Elijah the first time, why should they hear him now?
They didn’t listen to John when God sent him to declare Christ, so why wait for Elijah?
They didn’t listen to Christ either, who was that light and with them at the time. Again what’s the fuss?, what more do they want or need?God sent all the prophets to “speak his Word” …”his message”
They refused all the prophets right up to John, and yet Christ was more than a prophet and with them at the time.They did what they wanted to the prophets, They killed nearly all of them. (Elijah was not killed)
Elijah will come as prophesied “Before the Great and Dreadful Day of The Lord”. This will be in the last hour (3 1/2 yrs) of preaching in Israel. Elijah will come as promised.
This scripture is for us and for the Jews of today to know, not them back then. They stay in that state of confusion.Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Because it was not going to happen in their time, and Christ was speaking to his apostles.
j42
(Now Christ is speaking of himself. Elias does not restore all things, Christ does) But Christ is not Elias. We know that. Just like they did whatever they wanted to Elias, they will do the same to Christ, to whomever God sends to them.)
The prophet Elias had the spirit of God in him. He was God’s messenger.
John the baptist had the spirit of Elijah in him. He was not Elijah, but had the same spirit in him that Elijah had – The spirit of God.Jesus had the same spirit in him, the Spirit of God, but was more than a prophet. He is THAT light.
The Jews were waiting for Elijah, and Christ was not giving too much away to them.
Christ is saying to them in his cryptic way that Elijah has already come and they did what they wanted to him, so what’s the fuss?
We need to “Listen to the messenger” whomever God sends. Doesn’t matter who he sends, which prophet, but “Hear the message”, because it’s the message that’s important. It comes from God. He uses whoever he wants.They didn’t listen to Elijah the first time, why should they hear him now?
They didn’t listen to John when God sent him to declare Christ, so why wait for Elijah?
They didn’t listen to Christ either, who was that light and with them at the time. Again what’s the fuss?, what more do they want or need?God sent all the prophets to “speak his Word” …”his message”
They refused all the prophets right up to John, and yet Christ was more than a prophet and with them at the time.They did what they wanted to the prophets, They killed nearly all of them. (Elijah was not killed)
Elijah will come as prophesied “Before the Great and Dreadful Day of The Lord”. This will be in the last hour (3 1/2 yrs) of preaching in Israel. Elijah will come as promised.
This scripture is for us and for the Jews of today to know, not them back then. They stay in that state of confusion.Pure speculation,and make Christ words see as nothing ,for you are replacing and void all he says ,
This scripture is for us and for the Jews of today to know, not them back then. They stay in that state of confusion.
Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Because it was not going to happen in their time, and Christ was speaking to his apostles.
this also is pure speculation ;for how can a rebel Jerusalem and Israel a democracy that rejects any thing the do with God almighty be of any thing useful in God arrangement , she was a whore then and for it God let his temple were his name was on it, to be totally destroyed ,never to be reconstructed in material way ;this is why it has been build with the living stones 144k to be exact ,
it has been build in heaven and called the heavenly Jerusalem ,with the spiritual Israel ;where all believers worship God in spirit and truth ;not like the old one ;the corrupted one ,the whore like one, the unclean one ,anyone that has to do with her will also reap her wrath ,what came in 70 ad ,and in what no true believers were killed in ,for Jesus told them ways before to get out ,when they sew as per the prophet Daniel prophecy about it ,
this is as clear as water explain by Christ ,I believe what Christ said in scriptures
Pure speculation,and make Christ words see as nothing ,for you are replacing and void all he says ,
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
This is also the same word speaking. I would not call it speculation? Please read the prophecy again.
this also is pure speculation ;for how can a rebel Jerusalem and Israel a democracy that rejects any thing the do with God almighty be of any thing useful in God arrangement ,
Isaiah 52:9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
Isaiah 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isaiah 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
Isaiah 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
Jeremiah 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
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