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Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.Only three verses, but loaded with questions.
Why a white throne, what does that mean?
Who is sitting on the throne?
What are earth, and heaven, that they fled away?
Who are the dead standing before God (throne)?
What books were opened?
By what works were the dead Judged?Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
How can these resurrected ones get their name into the book of life?
Georg
Hi georg,
The opportunity was while they lived on earth.Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.Philippians 4:3
Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,Do not redesign the ways of God
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,07:04) Hi georg,
The opportunity was while they lived on earth.Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.Philippians 4:3
Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,Do not redesign the ways of God
NickodemusW R O N G !
If you can't answer the questions I ask, stay out of it!!!!!
Georg
Hi Georg,
While we live we can have our name written in the book of life.
After death there is the judgement.
No second chance theology.
That is of the speculations of men.Alright Nick, I'll reason with you.
Why is this verse, Rev. 20:11, referred to as the “white throne judgment?
Georg
Hi Georg,
From one of the many sites on bible colour symbolism[http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/symbolism/colors.htmWHITE
“Portrays purity, righteousness, joy, light, and a white horse symbolizes victory.”Jesus is on the throne as he told us.
He is King and as the Son of man is appointed to judge men.Nick
Score two, because you answered my next question, who sits on the throne?
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What is meant by, “the earth and the heaven fled away and there was found no place for them?”Georg
Hi Georg,
The judgement is of the individual souls of men and a physical earth is not required.
The detail of the judgement is also in Mt 25 and LkHi Georg:
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.Only three verses, but loaded with questions.
Why a white throne, what does that mean? (White for the purity of him who judges)Who is sitting on the throne? (Yahshua is the judge)
What are earth, and heaven, that they fled away? (This is symbolic implying his intnese wrath)Who are the dead standing before God (throne)? (Those who died in their sins prior to the rapture)
What books were opened? (The book which shows what works each person did during his lifetime)
By what works were the dead Judged? (All the works that someone did in their life time both good and bad. Even every idle word spoken)
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
How can these resurrected ones get their name into the book of life (They had their chance during their life on earth when the gospel was being preached. There is no second chance.)
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,12:15) Hi Georg,
The judgement is of the individual souls of men and a physical earth is not required.
NickWhat do you mean by, “a physical earth is not required?”
Georg
Quote (942767 @ April 29 2009,15:56) Hi Georg: Who is sitting on the throne? (Yahshua is the judge)
What are earth, and heaven, that they fled away? (This is symbolic implying his intnese wrath)Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyBy Yahshua you mean Jesus?
By earth fled away, and no place for them was found, our societies are meant, our governments, our very ways of life, Jesus is going to change all of that.
Heaven fled away too, but it is not heaven above. Jesus said,Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
That is to say, God's throne is in heaven; a throne symbolises power and authority, heaven therefore symbolises all power and authority; it will not flee away.
There are heavens on earth, God speaks to them.Psa 50:4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
Heavens on earth are places of religious authority, Churches. All man made religion, and false doctrine, will be done away with, there will be no place for them in God's kingdom.
Georg
Hi Georg:
You ask:
Quote By Yahshua you mean Jesus? Yes, I mean Jesus.
I do not believe that the verse of scripture that states that heaven and earth flee is literal but is symbolic portraying the wrath of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2009,06:32) Hi Georg,
Only flesh needs a place to stand.Hi Georg,
The judgement is of the individual souls of men and a physical earth is not required.
The detail of the judgement is also in Mt 25 and Lk
NickWhere is it written?
Georg
Quote (942767 @ April 29 2009,15:56) Hi Georg: Who are the dead standing before God (throne)? (Those who died in their sins prior to the rapture)
What books were opened? (The book which shows what works each person did during his lifetime)
By what works were the dead Judged? (All the works that someone did in their life time both good and bad. Even every idle word spoken)
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
How can these resurrected ones get their name into the book of life (They had their chance during their life on earth when the gospel was being preached. There is no second chance.)
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyShow me how you would go about proving a rapture?!
By what works do you think any one could be saved?
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2009,07:04) Hi georg,
The opportunity was while they lived on earth.Luke 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.Philippians 4:3
Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,Do not redesign the ways of God
NickJhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.So, Jesus came not to give understanding to all, that has to mean, God decided ahead of time who would be saved and who would not, is that how you see it?
Georg
Hi Georg,
No one can prove anything to you because the only standard of proof you accept is satisfaction of your own understanding.Proverbs 3
Nickodemus
In other words, you don't have a clue.
Do you know anything besides stirring the pot?Georg
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