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Hi,
E has brought this subject up and quotes it as to the meaning of SOLA SCRIPTURA.“”VI. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” (On scripture, Westminster Confession of Faith)
So sola scriptura does not mean JUST SCRIPTURE in this light.
It includes DEDUCTIONS-inferences.
Rarely can two mean see exactly the same inferences in any statement so this definition is dishonest and self defeating IMO.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2008,07:46) Hi,
E has brought this subject up and quotes it as to the meaning of SOLA SCRIPTURA.“”VI. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” (On scripture, Westminster Confession of Faith)
So sola scriptura does not mean JUST SCRIPTURE in this light.
It includes DEDUCTIONS-inferences.
Rarely can two mean see exactly the same inferences in any statement so this definition is dishonest and self defeating IMO.
Really? Then I can easily say that you are dishonest and your beliefs are self defeating, because you are merely a man, and no 2 men agree as to what the meaning of every the scripture is.The thing is Nick, you make all kinds of inferences, you say the Scriptures mean this or that, but(!!!) these are merely YOUR interpretations…. YOUR inferences.. YOUR deductions… …. your INTERPRETATIONS… your INFERENCES… your DEDUCTIONS. No matter hard you try, you cannot avoid interpreting, translating, inferring, deducing what it is that the scriptures mean, and then communicating those beliefs to others using your own words. But sadly, you just can't seem to grasp this basic point. And even if were to communicate by ONLY AND ALWAYS quoting verse back and forth to one another, in our own minds, we are engaged in the interpretive process, we are making deductions, we are inferring what it is that this or that particular verse actually means. There is simply no escaping this, you do it, you do it all the time, because eif you look at your over all posts N, you will see that it is very often the case that you do not provide one single verse or passage in order to support your beliefs. You are inferring that your beliefs are in fact backed up by the scriptures, you are thus engaged in interpretation and deduction, and you just do not seem to realize this. Yet, and what is worse, you criticize and condemn others for doing this very thing, for merely ding exactly what you do!!! What it really comes down to is this, 1) you are really just upset is that your inferences and deductions are just not the same ones that other people have…. and 2) you think that it is only OTHER people who are making deductions and inferences, but No… not you… you ONLY and ALWAYS just say “what the Bible says.” This is the very epitome of blindness, dishonesty and self referentially false and defeating thinking. I hope some day you will be able to grasp this extremely basic point. Because every time you put the biblical teaching into your own words, and you do this N, all the time, you are in effect writing out your own “creed”…. and the thing is, even those who say “we have no creed bu the Bible” fail to realize that this in and of itself, is a creed!!! because there is no single verse in the bible that specifically and exactly says ” you are to have no creed but the bible”.
blessings,
KenQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2008,14:56) Hi E,
Where does Jesus teach that DEDUCTIONS are OK to be added to Scripture?
you are so funny N…. sneaky… yes… dishonest….? I don't know… but here is the key point in your post… you ask whether or not DEDUCTIONS are OK to be added to Scripture? Yet this something that no one has ever suggested in the first place!!!!!Here is the either the really sneaky or dishonest part:
In other words, you are suggesting that deducing principles from…. FROM… the Scriptures is the same as and equal to ADDING to the Scriptures… this is a straw man… something that gets built here at this forum so many times its a wonder anyone can see anything else for all the straw… and that is what your post is made of… straw…. eg nothing substantial at all….You see neither myself nor the Westminster Confession would ever…. EVER…. suggest adding to the Scriptures. In fact…. and this is the most troubling thing about you N … is that is you would have actually read even that which has already been posted so far from the Confession, you would have and SHOULD HAVE seen these words:
VI. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.
So not only did no one ever even suggest that deductions being “added to Scripture”, in fact the exact opposite is true ….. so please give up your habit of building straw men, of accusing people of things they do not believe in…. and not only do not believe in, but accusing them of the very opposite of what they DO IN FACT believe in!!!!!
blessings, and may the Lord grant you the ability to read, to remember what you read, and to be honest when representing other people's beliefs,
KenQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 16 2008,16:25) Hi E,
So deductions can be added
but absolutely nothing else??
are you a fool or just being purposefully obstinate?can you read?
what does the Confession say?
“unto which nothing at any time is to be added“
is that somehow ambiguous to you?
nothing is equal to the Scriptures in authority, but, and here is where your blindness is especially evident in that you do this all the time, yet condemn others for doing the same… you (we) all make deductions… they are NOT the same as Scripture, they are NOT equal tot he Scripture in authority, but we all, including you N, make deductions based on what the Scriptures say. You do this just as soon as you read any verse or passage in Scripture at all…. your mind thinks…. “ahhh John 1:1….. I know this verse well… this verse means a, b, c and d….. and NOT e, f and g” and all these things, what the verse means and what it doesn't mean, is your interpretation of the verse….. but is your (or my) interpretation equal in authority to God's word…. No….. However it seems you think your own interpretation is somehow the same as saying “the scripture says a, b, c, or d”” especially since you ridiculously think that you don't have an interpretation, you just say “what the scripture says” … but this makes you all the more especially blind to your own baggage, your own views, your own interpretations…. and this makes you unteachable and prideful.
blessings,
Ken
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