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[Lightenup]

Nick,
Neither was there any shown with John. In fact, I would say that John shown even less fruit but he was filled from the womb. You do not hold John to the same test of evidence of an existing Spirit…why?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2009,11:37)

Nick, Neither was there any shown with John. In fact, I would say that John shown even less fruit but he was filled from the womb.  You do not hold John to the same test of evidence of an existing Spirit…why?

I can hear Nick pondering over this one….

{{{ponder, ponder}}}

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Does scripture say anywhere Jesus was filled with the Spirit till it says in in lk4?
If not why would you assume so?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,09:20)

Hi not3, Stitching two truths together does not necessarily make another truth. So tell us of the fruit of 30 years compared with three?

Hi Nick,

Men have constantly wanted Jesus to “prove” who he was/is. You are no different in your desire to link Jesus' fruit with his evidence of holy Spirit. You don't need a sign. Jesus doesn't need to prove anything.

For unto us, a child was given. And that child's father is God.

We should know by now that while Jesus was born under the law, he walked to a different drum; he had food to eat that his disciples knew nothing of. Therefore the same standards should not necessarily be applied to our Lord.

Love,
Mandy

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,09:36)

Hi not3, God is not just His Holy Spirit. He was in heaven where Jesus told us to pray to Him while Jesus was filled with His Spirit. Being fathered by the Spirit of God still made him an ordinary man and did not fill him with God's Spirit

You say, “Being fathered by the Spirit of God still made him an ordinary man….”.

A man, yes.

Ordinary? No.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Back to the superman idea?

[Lightenup]

Nick,
Does Luke 4 say that He “became” filled with the Holy Spirit or that He “received” the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove…where else does that happen like that? That is not an indicator anywhere of a baptism of the Holy Spirit.

LU

[NickHassan]

Hi Not3,
Do you think Jesus moved in some natural power that did not need the anointing of the Holy Spirit?[acts 10.38]

[NickHassan]

Hi Not3,
It does make you wonder if Jesus was always filled with the Spirit why it is mentioned at all after the Jordan in Lk4.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,12:56)

Hi not3, Back to the superman idea?

What was Superman, anyway?

The cape made him fly, right?

Do you believe that the skin makes Jesus a man only? Inside he is the preexisting one —- right?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,12:58)

Hi Not3, Do you think Jesus moved in some natural power that did not need the anointing of the Holy Spirit?[acts 10.38]

Jesus lived, breathed, moved, and has his being because of God's holy spirit.

Jesus is an offspring of holy Spirit.
We are mud-men.

You like to put Jesus in the same category as yourself – after all he is your brother – right? But remember, we are adopted. Jesus belonged at birth.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
He died like any ordinary man.
Now like any reborn man he lives in God's spirit.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,13:37)

Hi Not3, It does make you wonder if Jesus was always filled with the Spirit why it is mentioned at all after the Jordan in Lk4.

What does scripture actual say happened at the Jordan?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3 .
It is the book.
The first time the Spirit is mentioned with Jesus from the time of his conception.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,14:19)

Hi not3, He died like any ordinary man. Now like any reborn man he lives in God's spirit.

Hmmm.

I don't know even one man who died via crucifixion? Jesus didn't just die – he willingly 'gave up his spirit'. Ordinary men do not do this.

If the fact that he died makes you believe that he was ordinary, why does not his miraculous birth make you believe he is extraordinary?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,14:25)

Hi not3 . It is the book. The first time the Spirit is mentioned with Jesus from the time of his conception.

Exactly…..from the time of his conception!

[NickHassan]

Hi Not3,
So you assume being conceived of the Holy Spirit would also mean he was naturally filled with that Spirit?

Why would you make such assumptions?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
This thread is about the WAY of Jesus and you keep making it harder to follow him giving him a massive headstart.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,14:37)

Hi not3, This thread is about the WAY of Jesus and you keep making it harder to follow him giving him a massive headstart.

Forgive me for laughing but I don't believe in preexistence.

You do.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,14:35)

Hi Not3, So you assume being conceived of the Holy Spirit would also mean he was naturally filled with that Spirit? Why would you make such assumptions?

John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

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