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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2008,12:25) DK….scripture plainly show that God sacrificed His son for the Sins of the world. Jesus was God's sacrificial lamb. Lets stop there for a moment and ask why did God do that He never Sinned Did He, so why did He have to sacrifice anything. What did God Show by this then, if you understand that GOD created both good and evil and that He was the one who immersed man into this state were in, in a sense He takes full responsibility for all Sin then and so He had to sacrifice something very close to him and remember it says without the shedding of Blood there is (NO) forgiveness of Sin. But we also have to understand Jesus did not have to do it, because it says it pleased God (IF) he would pour out his flesh unto death. Ask yourself why would it(Please) God for Jesus to die because it showed complete total trust and reliance on Him and you can't ask for more then that of anyone. And thats what pleased the Father. Another thing by that sacrifice God was able to cancel out all sin against us, by way of payment for us , so he bought us back so to speak from sure death. God the Father wants us to grow to the full measure of Christ so we would do exactly what he did and some already have did that. IMO…..gene
Hey GeneShow me one scripture where the bible says GOD created evil
That's wonderful post my brother Gene, I think this should settle the repeated queries of DK. God allowed man to disobey God not that He did not have control over him. “All have sinned and fallen short of glory” so that He (God) can show grace towards us by offering sacrifice of His only begotten son on the cross of Calvery by laying all the sins of mankind on him(Jesus) who is innocent.
Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27
25 “Therefore, he is always able to save those who approach God through him, since he lives forever to make intercession for them.
26 It was fitting that we should have such a high priest: holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, higher than the heavens.
27 He has no need, as did the high priests, to offer sacrifice day after day, first for his own sins and then for those of the people; he did that once for all when he offered himself”Peace to all
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11) That's wonderful post my brother Gene, I think this should settle the repeated queries of DK. God allowed man to disobey God not that He did not have control over him. “All have sinned and fallen short of glory” so that He (God) can show grace towards us by offering sacrifice of His only begotten son on the cross of Calvery by laying all the sin of mankind on him(Jesus) who is innocent. Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27
25 “Therefore, he is always able to save those who approach God through him, since he lives forever to make intercession for them.
26 It was fitting that we should have such a high priest: holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, higher than the heavens.
27 He has no need, as did the high priests, to offer sacrifice day after day, first for his own sins and then for those of the people; he did that once for all when he offered himself”Peace to all
Adam
lol…here we go again…GM..name one thing you disagree with Gene on…
And show me 1 scripture that says GOD created moral evil
Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,04:29) isaiah 45:5-7…lemme explain this scripture to you 'Evil,' as used here, refers to evil of a physical nature (storms), not moral evil.
Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters, and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,
“And the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?” (Exodus 4:11).
“Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?” (Amos 3:6).From the above two verses we can see that the Lord is involved in calamity and problems in the earthly realm. Exodus 4:11 is speaking of human frailty and Amos 3:6 is speaking of woes in a city. It is not a moral evil that God brings, but calamity and distress upon people.
Of course, this raises other questions of why God would do such a thing, which I won't cover here. But, we can trust that whatever God does is just and is used for teaching, guiding, and disciplining His people.
Third, there are other verses that clearly show that God is pure and that He cannot approve of evil.
“The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He,” (Deut. 32:4).
“Thine eyes are too pure to approve evil, and Thou canst not look on wickedness with favor,” (Hab. 1:13).We can see that the Bible teaches that God is pure and does not approve of evil, that the word “rah” (evil) in Hebrew can mean many things, and that contextually, the verse is speaking calamity and distress. Therefore, God does not create evil in the moral sense, but in the sense of disaster, of calamity.
Find your nearest concordance and interlinear..for PROOF of what I just wrote
Remember this post earlier in the thread…I rest my caseHello!,
Did God create the tree of good and evil?
You have not answered this question of mine. Why you are so much after Gene, because you don't like him. That is wrong my brother if you hate any brother like this. Even I agreed with some of your posts go back and see for your self.
I have not agreed some of Gene's interpretations where I gave my own understandings like in Baptism and Holy Spirit go back and see for yourself. You make so much personal attack on brothers that is not good for your health my friend.
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11) Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27
What are the things that Jesus sacrificed?What do you mean “enough”? Was the sacrifice enough? Of course the sacrifce was enough to please God that is why we are all reconciled back into good standing with him.
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,13:54) Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11) Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27
What are the things that Jesus sacrificed?
Hi Mandy,
Yes, he gave up many things like his own rights and privilleges as the Son of God and became a bond-servant, he gave up his own will to fulfill his Father's will, he gave up his riches as son of God but became poor for us, he washed the feet of disciples for showing humility so on soforth and finally he gave up his life on the cross as sacrifice for the sins of mankind. The worst death ever for a righteous man to die as a criminal on cross. What else you need my sis. You know better I want to here from you.
Love to you
AdamQuote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,09:16) It matters not what Jesus “sacrificed”…because he was not the one “sacrificing”..or PROVIDING the “ransom”.. THIS WAS GOD's PAIN AND SACRIFICE..NOT JESUS'..
God gave his son for us out of love. True, it was painful to watch him suffer (I can only imagine the torment of having to watch a child of yours suffer – oh – I'd trade places with them in a heartbeat). But Jesus was the one who suffered and died. God remained in heaven.In other words, I could certainly provide a lamb for sacrifice but it would be the lamb that suffered the slaughter, not me. Sure, I would be sad to see the animal die, I might even cry, but the ultimate pain of death would be the lamb's.
Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,14:12) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,13:54) Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11) Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27
What are the things that Jesus sacrificed?
Hi Mandy,
Yes, he gave up many things like his own rights and privilleges as the Son of God and became a bond-servant, he gave up his own will to fulfill his Father's will, he gave up his riches as son of God but became poor for us, he washed the feet of disciples for showing humility so on soforth and finally he gave up his life on the cross as sacrifice for the sins of mankind. The worst death ever for a righteous man to die as a criminal on cross. What else you need my sis. You know better I want to here from you.
Love to you
Adam
Wow, Adam this is great! Thank you for your thoughtful post.I agree with everything you have said here. However I'm wondering about those who believe in preexistence and believe that Jesus asked for his “previous” glory back…..I wonder what kind of sacrifice Jesus really gave if he was only returning back to his former glory?
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,14:15) Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,14:12) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,13:54) Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11) Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27
What are the things that Jesus sacrificed?
Hi Mandy,
Yes, he gave up many things like his own rights and privilleges as the Son of God and became a bond-servant, he gave up his own will to fulfill his Father's will, he gave up his riches as son of God but became poor for us, he washed the feet of disciples for showing humility so on soforth and finally he gave up his life on the cross as sacrifice for the sins of mankind. The worst death ever for a righteous man to die as a criminal on cross. What else you need my sis. You know better I want to here from you.
Love to you
Adam
Wow, Adam this is great! Thank you for your thoughtful post.I agree with everything you have said here. However I'm wondering about those who believe in preexistence and believe that Jesus asked for his “previous” glory back…..I wonder what kind of sacrifice Jesus really gave if he was only returning back to his former glory?
So the question is who sacrificed more…GOD or Jesus?I gave my reason for saying God…John 3:16….tells me all I need to know in this regard….GOD provided the ransom… and thank him everyday for his sacrifice
Hi GM,
The earthly son of God seemed to have few earthly riches.
Born in a stable he seemed to own less that Adam the original human son.Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,14:15) Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,14:12) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,13:54) Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,13:11) Hi Mandy, Jesus sacrificed many things he gave up himself for us sinners and willingly gave his life for the death on the cross as curse for you and me, He obeyed his Father God by laying aside his own will but fulfilled the one and only will of His Father. Heb 7:25-27
What are the things that Jesus sacrificed?
Hi Mandy,
Yes, he gave up many things like his own rights and privilleges as the Son of God and became a bond-servant, he gave up his own will to fulfill his Father's will, he gave up his riches as son of God but became poor for us, he washed the feet of disciples for showing humility so on soforth and finally he gave up his life on the cross as sacrifice for the sins of mankind. The worst death ever for a righteous man to die as a criminal on cross. What else you need my sis. You know better I want to here from you.
Love to you
Adam
Wow, Adam this is great! Thank you for your thoughtful post.I agree with everything you have said here. However I'm wondering about those who believe in preexistence and believe that Jesus asked for his “previous” glory back…..I wonder what kind of sacrifice Jesus really gave if he was only returning back to his former glory?
Hi Mandy,
I do thank you for allowing me to say some thing. You are different from many in this forum.
take care
AdamQuote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,14:21) I gave my reason for saying God…John 3:16….tells me all I need to know in this regard….GOD provided the ransom… and thank him everyday for his sacrifice
I can picture it now……In the new heaven on earth, Jesus pulls you aside and says, “Hey dude, you didn't think I gave anything up for your redemption? You don't think I sacrificed? Go clean the loo!”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,14:23) Hi GM,
The earthly son of God seemed to have few earthly riches.
Born in a stable he seemed to own less that Adam the original human son.
But even if a poor man on earth gave up his life he could count what he would be sacrificing.According to preexistent theory, Jesus wouldn't really be sacrificing a whole lot, imo.
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