The Urantia Book The Bible

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,02:45)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,02:37) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:22) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,14:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures. Either you take the whole package,or you dont. wakeup. Wakeup, I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does. The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus. Colter Hi Colter, This is the second time you seem to imply to those who disagree with your brand of doctrine – that they would have been the ones who crucified Christ – do you actually believe this? God bless Ed J The specific answer to your question is yes. Colter “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2 Thess 2:11) Same stuff, different era, besides, it's the will of God in our hearts that we are to believe in and be lead by, not the “golden calf” of the narratives written about God sifted trough mans bias mind. Jesus went on to speak of the creators of creeds and doctrines: “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. Colter Hi Colter, The lie you are believing is: that those of us who are not combative, vindictive nor violent would sanction such. It is you, therefore, who are doing the dividing. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Spare me the rationalizing and phony piety; you reject the UB with the same spirit and logic that Jesus was rejected by using the same sorts of scriptural authority nonsense.

Colter

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:23)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) I've said it more then twice, and I will say it again, Jesus wasn't killed by Atheist, agnostics, secular progressives, Liberals or humanist, the liberating spiritual truths taught by Jesus were rejected by, the Son of God  was falsely accused by, he was put through a trumped up trial by, tortured and murdered by, closed minded >religion< , by the creators and keepers of the books of the OT. The cowards that closed their minds and hearts to the living word hid behind the doctrine of supposed inspiration of the OT books in order to withstand the new teachings of Jesus. They would not allow their hearts to perceive truth; rather they surrendered that right in exchange for contrived scriptural authority. First the shamans of religion convince the ignorant populace that their books were written by God, then no matter what is in them will be believed through manipulative threat of a loss of salvation, public humiliation, disfellowship and even death. To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content. So yes, you have NOT demonstrated that, based on the same mind set, you would have accepted Jesus with you learned, head full of scripture. It was the common people who heard Jesus gladly while the learned Rabbi's, Pharisees and Sanhedrist rejected him. And notice, of the 12 apostles NONE of them were of the elite priest class of his day. The specific answer to your question is yes. Colter Hi Colter, You forget that I for one happen to be familiar with the content of the UB.            And as you yourself have said… Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) The UB does not claim to be the word of God, …        so why should you care if we reject it? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, you forget that you only read 60% of the UB, you DID NOT read part 4, the most important part of the book! That would be exactly like reading the OT but then telling people you are “familiar” with the bible.

The bible doesn’t call itself the word of God from the beginning, there is NO claim or acknowledgement that the Bible starts out with the intent of being inspired by God, it's written by the Hebrew priest. Even then the authors are writing about “the word” they don't claim their narrative itself to BE”the word”.

What scripture predates Genesis? If Genesis were written by Moses then where is the previous record? Moses established new laws and reforms, what were the previous “words of God” during the 400 years of Egyptian captivity, the thousands of years before that? NONE! NOPE! NOTTA! GONE! NOT PRESERVED!

And frankly, scholarship (now that Christians aren’t killing them) is able to demonstrate that even Genesis and the other OT books were redacted, edited, reformed, REDONE! Some portions date to the Babylonian captivity. But oh no, for those who have fallen to the temptation to make the books themselves a GOD you just cannot possibly let the idolatry go and turn to a faith based living relationship with the indwelling spirit of a real God. Your religious pride is to fully invested in the doctrine of conical infallibility instead of God infallibility.

Colter

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2012,01:20)

Quote To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content. this is the same answer received from any false teacher that want to promote his own book , Mormons.Islam the Koran,U.B. and others …… NO ONE CAN ELEVATE HIMSELF IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT LOWERING THE OTHER. SO LET ALL BE LOWERED BEFORE GODS WORD,BECAUSE NONE HIS HIGHER AS A MEN.and the UB is not the word of God

Worship God not books.

Colter

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,02:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:23) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) I've said it more then twice, and I will say it again, Jesus wasn't killed by Atheist, agnostics, secular progressives, Liberals or humanist, the liberating spiritual truths taught by Jesus were rejected by, the Son of God  was falsely accused by, he was put through a trumped up trial by, tortured and murdered by, closed minded >religion< , by the creators and keepers of the books of the OT. The cowards that closed their minds and hearts to the living word hid behind the doctrine of supposed inspiration of the OT books in order to withstand the new teachings of Jesus. They would not allow their hearts to perceive truth; rather they surrendered that right in exchange for contrived scriptural authority. First the shamans of religion convince the ignorant populace that their books were written by God, then no matter what is in them will be believed through manipulative threat of a loss of salvation, public humiliation, disfellowship and even death. To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content. So yes, you have NOT demonstrated that, based on the same mind set, you would have accepted Jesus with you learned, head full of scripture. It was the common people who heard Jesus gladly while the learned Rabbi's, Pharisees and Sanhedrist rejected him. And notice, of the 12 apostles NONE of them were of the elite priest class of his day. The specific answer to your question is yes. Colter Hi Colter, You forget that I for one happen to be familiar with the content of the UB.            And as you yourself have said… Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) The UB does not claim to be the word of God, …        so why should you care if we reject it? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No, you forget that you only read 60% of the UB, you DID NOT read part 4, the most important part of the book! That would be exactly like reading the OT but then telling people you are “familiar” with the bible. The bible doesn’t call itself the word of God from the beginning, there is NO claim or acknowledgement that the Bible starts out with the intent of being inspired by God, it's written by the Hebrew priest. Even then the authors are writing about “the word” they don't claim their narrative itself to BE”the word”. What scripture predates Genesis? If Genesis were written by Moses then where is the previous record? Moses established new laws and reforms, what were the previous “words of God” during the 400 years of Egyptian captivity, the thousands of years before that? NONE! NOPE! NOTTA! GONE! NOT PRESERVED! Colter

Colter, get your facts straight! Your analogy is severely flawed.
If you remember correctly, “I” said that “I” did read about ¾ of the 'UB';
yet I DID NOT say what parts I skipped – I did go through the ginormous book though.
“He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.” (Prob.18:13)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,02:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,02:45) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,02:37) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:22) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2012,14:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,23:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,23:14) Colter. This seem to be a copy of the new testament,that you have refuted. One can not pick and choose some scriptures and reject other scriptures. Either you take the whole package,or you dont. wakeup. Wakeup, I have not refuted the NT, your all or nothing way of thinking is your problem, not mine. That is the religion of book worship, of making a book a God. They have done that to you, you bought into the fear based manipulation. You don't set the standard of my faith, God does. The evil of “all or nothing” rejected and killed Jesus, but you seem to lack the courage to face that truth. Upon such a foundation you cannot accept or receive any new revelation sent by Jesus. Colter Hi Colter, This is the second time you seem to imply to those who disagree with your brand of doctrine – that they would have been the ones who crucified Christ – do you actually believe this? God bless Ed J The specific answer to your question is yes. Colter “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2 Thess 2:11) Same stuff, different era, besides, it's the will of God in our hearts that we are to believe in and be lead by, not the “golden calf” of the narratives written about God sifted trough mans bias mind. Jesus went on to speak of the creators of creeds and doctrines: “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. Colter Hi Colter, The lie you are believing is: that those of us who are not combative, vindictive nor violent would sanction such. It is you, therefore, who are doing the dividing. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Spare me the rationalizing and phony piety; you reject the UB with the same spirit and logic that Jesus was rejected by using the same sorts of scriptural authority nonsense. Colter

Hi Colter,
 
Nope; it is your rationalizing and phony belief to believe we would have.

[Ed J]

Hi Colter,

Just like it is our choice to read the parts we want and
to skip the parts that we don't want to read
of your posting's of the 'UB' book.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,09:59)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2012,01:20) Quote To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content. this is the same answer received from any false teacher that want to promote his own book , Mormons.Islam the Koran,U.B. and others …… NO ONE CAN ELEVATE HIMSELF IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT LOWERING THE OTHER. SO LET ALL BE LOWERED BEFORE GODS WORD,BECAUSE NONE HIS HIGHER AS A MEN.and the UB is not the word of God Worship God not books. Colter

say that to yourself

[Ed J]

Hi Colter,

To compare our not accepting the 'UB' book as
(according to Colter) the pharesees rejecting of Christ;
THIS IS TRULY A DELUSION to believe such a satanic twisted lie.

And it is sad dear brother,
truly sad!    …Ed (עד)

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,03:35)

Hi Colter, To compare our not accepting the 'UB' book as (according to Colter) the pharesees rejecting of Christ; THIS IS TRULY A DELUSION to believe such a satanic twisted lie. And it is sad dear brother, truly sad! …Ed (עד)

As I said before  –  it is you doing the dividing.

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,03:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,03:35) Hi Colter, To compare our not accepting the 'UB' book as (according to Colter) the pharesees rejecting of Christ; THIS IS TRULY A DELUSION to believe such a satanic twisted lie. And it is sad dear brother, truly sad!    …Ed (עד) As I said before  –  it is you doing the dividing.

“If we have not rather done it for fear of this thing, saying, In time to come your children
might speak unto our children, saying, What have ye to do with the LORD God of Israel? …

But that עד may be a witness between us, and you, and our generations after us, that we might
do the service of the LORD before him with our burnt offerings, and with our sacrifices, and with our
peace offerings; that your children may not say to our children in time to come, Ye have no part in the LORD.

Therefore said we, that it shall be, when they should so say to us or to our generations in time to come,
that we may say again, Behold the pattern of the altar of the LORD, which our fathers made,” (Josh 22:24…28)

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,03:12)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,02:52) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,01:23) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,00:35) I've said it more then twice, and I will say it again, Jesus wasn't killed by Atheist, agnostics, secular progressives, Liberals or humanist, the liberating spiritual truths taught by Jesus were rejected by, the Son of God  was falsely accused by, he was put through a trumped up trial by, tortured and murdered by, closed minded >religion< , by the creators and keepers of the books of the OT. The cowards that closed their minds and hearts to the living word hid behind the doctrine of supposed inspiration of the OT books in order to withstand the new teachings of Jesus. They would not allow their hearts to perceive truth; rather they surrendered that right in exchange for contrived scriptural authority. First the shamans of religion convince the ignorant populace that their books were written by God, then no matter what is in them will be believed through manipulative threat of a loss of salvation, public humiliation, disfellowship and even death. To date, all of your arguments against the content of the UB have been based on the same brand of legalism and technicality; you only seem to believe the Bible because it has been established as the authority and reject the UB because it is not and established authority regardless of the content. So yes, you have NOT demonstrated that, based on the same mind set, you would have accepted Jesus with you learned, head full of scripture. It was the common people who heard Jesus gladly while the learned Rabbi's, Pharisees and Sanhedrist rejected him. And notice, of the 12 apostles NONE of them were of the elite priest class of his day. The specific answer to your question is yes. Colter Hi Colter, You forget that I for one happen to be familiar with the content of the UB.            And as you yourself have said… Quote (Colter @ Aug. 18 2012,09:47) The UB does not claim to be the word of God, …        so why should you care if we reject it? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org No, you forget that you only read 60% of the UB, you DID NOT read part 4, the most important part of the book! That would be exactly like reading the OT but then telling people you are “familiar” with the bible. The bible doesn’t call itself the word of God from the beginning, there is NO claim or acknowledgement that the Bible starts out with the intent of being inspired by God, it's written by the Hebrew priest. Even then the authors are writing about “the word” they don't claim their narrative itself to BE”the word”. What scripture predates Genesis? If Genesis were written by Moses then where is the previous record? Moses established new laws and reforms, what were the previous “words of God” during the 400 years of Egyptian captivity, the thousands of years before that? NONE! NOPE! NOTTA! GONE! NOT PRESERVED! Colter Colter, get your facts straight! Your analogy is severely flawed. If you remember correctly, “I” said that “I” did read about ¾ of the 'UB'; yet I DID NOT say what parts I skipped – I did go through the ginormous book though. “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.” (Prob.18:13) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I asked if you had read part 4, the Jesus papers, you said you had not.

I have read the Bible, and I can clearly see it's inconsistency, I can see how the concept of God evolves and the exaggeration of the Hebrew's.

Colter

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,03:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,03:35) Hi Colter, To compare our not accepting the 'UB' book as (according to Colter) the pharesees rejecting of Christ; THIS IS TRULY A DELUSION to believe such a satanic twisted lie. And it is sad dear brother, truly sad!    …Ed (עד) As I said before  –  it is you doing the dividing.

Did you just quote yourself?

Your reply is evidence of the truth that I have spoken, the Jews hid behind their scripture fetish, they still do. You quote the Bible to shield yourself from anything new. You are like a robot.

Satan is dead.

Colter

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“Woe upon you, false guides of a nation! Over yonder have you built a monument to the martyred prophets of old, while you plot to destroy Him of whom they spoke. You garnish the tombs of the righteous and flatter yourselves that, had you lived in the days of your fathers, you would not have killed the prophets; and then in the face of such self-righteous thinking you make ready to slay him of whom the prophets spoke, the Son of Man. Inasmuch as you do these things, are you witness to yourselves that you are the wicked sons of them who slew the prophets. Go on, then, and fill up the cup of your condemnation to the full!”

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,04:06)

“Woe upon you, false guides of a nation! Over yonder have you built a monument to the martyred prophets of old, while you plot to destroy Him of whom they spoke. You garnish the tombs of the righteous and flatter yourselves that, had you lived in the days of your fathers, you would not have killed the prophets; and then in the face of such self-righteous thinking you make ready to slay him of whom the prophets spoke, the Son of Man. Inasmuch as you do these things, are you witness to yourselves that you are the wicked sons of them who slew the prophets. Go on, then, and fill up the cup of your condemnation to the full!” Colter

Colter.

You are quoting scriptures again;How come?
Dont worship the scriptures.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 24 2012,04:34)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,04:06) “Woe upon you, false guides of a nation! Over yonder have you built a monument to the martyred prophets of old, while you plot to destroy Him of whom they spoke. You garnish the tombs of the righteous and flatter yourselves that, had you lived in the days of your fathers, you would not have killed the prophets; and then in the face of such self-righteous thinking you make ready to slay him of whom the prophets spoke, the Son of Man. Inasmuch as you do these things, are you witness to yourselves that you are the wicked sons of them who slew the prophets. Go on, then, and fill up the cup of your condemnation to the full!” Colter Colter. You are quoting scriptures again;How come? Dont worship the scriptures. wakeup.

You are slow of understanding and divert attention away from what Jesus said to the issue of book perfection in all area's. To Quote Jesus is not necessarily the same as quoting the Hebrew priest, or Paul, or the commentary about Jesus.

After the supposed flood of Noah, which family member had the previous records of the world? Where are they now? Who is narrating what God said? Who heard God say the things attributed to him before Adam was created? How did Moses end up with them thousands of years latter when he supposedly wrote Genesis?

More has been revealed, and we now know the answer.

Colter

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,03:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,03:12) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,02:52) No, you forget that you only read 60% of the UB, you DID NOT read part 4, the most important part of the book! That would be exactly like reading the OT but then telling people you are “familiar” with the bible. The bible doesn’t call itself the word of God from the beginning, there is NO claim or acknowledgement that the Bible starts out with the intent of being inspired by God, it's written by the Hebrew priest. Even then the authors are writing about “the word” they don't claim their narrative itself to BE”the word”. What scripture predates Genesis? If Genesis were written by Moses then where is the previous record? Moses established new laws and reforms, what were the previous “words of God” during the 400 years of Egyptian captivity, the thousands of years before that? NONE! NOPE! NOTTA! GONE! NOT PRESERVED! Colter Colter, get your facts straight! Your analogy is severely flawed. If you remember correctly, “I” said that “I” did read about ¾ of the 'UB'; yet I DID NOT say what parts I skipped – I did go through the ginormous book though. “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.” (Prob.18:13) God bless Ed J I asked if you had read part 4, the Jesus papers, you said you had not. I have read the Bible, and I can clearly see it's inconsistency, I can see how the concept of God evolves and the exaggeration of the Hebrew's. Colter

Hi Colter,

I did NOT read all of them – so my answer “was correct”!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,04:02)

You are like a robot.

You are like the accuser.

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,06:00)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,04:02) You are like a robot. You are like the accuser.

I used the words of Jesus to make the same point, the enemies of Jesus blindly rejected his Liberal spiritual message because it was quite different then the theological consensus of Judaism. Today, you flatly reject the content of the UB using the technicality of the scripture.

According to the “nothing shall be added” doctrine of biblical inerrancy, it would not matter what new revelation came, you are forced to reject it.

…..and It was actually Jesus who said of those enslaved, tradition bound leaders who used the dead legalistic mechanics of authoritarian theology “your Father is the devil”.

Colter

[Ed J]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,07:53)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,06:00) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,04:02) You are like a robot. You are like the accuser. I used the words of Jesus to make the same point, the enemies of Jesus blindly rejected his Liberal spiritual message because it was quite different then the theological consensus of Judaism. Today, you flatly reject the content of the UB using the technicality of the scripture. According to the “nothing shall be added” doctrine of biblical inerrancy, it would not matter what new revelation came, you are forced to reject it. …..and It was actually Jesus who said of those enslaved, tradition bound leaders who used the dead legalistic mechanics of authoritarian theology “your Father is the devil”. Colter

No Colter,

I don't flatly reject the 'UB'.
But as you say: “it is NOT the word of God'”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,08:39)

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,07:53) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,06:00) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 24 2012,04:02) You are like a robot. You are like the accuser. I used the words of Jesus to make the same point, the enemies of Jesus blindly rejected his Liberal spiritual message because it was quite different then the theological consensus of Judaism. Today, you flatly reject the content of the UB using the technicality of the scripture. According to the “nothing shall be added” doctrine of biblical inerrancy, it would not matter what new revelation came, you are forced to reject it. …..and It was actually Jesus who said of those enslaved, tradition bound leaders who used the dead legalistic mechanics of authoritarian theology “your Father is the devil”. Colter No Colter, I don't flatly reject the 'UB'. But as you say: “it is NOT the word of God'”. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Remember, I did read it.

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