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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,02:31) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,23:27) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:19) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,22:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:49) Hi Colter, I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J
The UB is more accurate then the Bible, spiritually and historically, but no revelation short of the Universal Father can ever be complete. Future revelations will update the UB.Had the Bible not been petrified into an “idol”, had it been understood spiritually rather then as a fetish, then open minded spiritualist would quite naturally understand the Bible for what it is, they would be open to spiritual truth wherever they find it.
Colter
Hi Colter,Followers of 'UB' book and followers of 'the quran' share in this opinion of “The Bible”.
Do the followers of the quran and the followers of the 'Urantia Book' share gods too?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Cor. 4:4)
The prophet “Micah”, then speaking of a future spiritual age:“But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God.” (4.4-5)
Micah 3.9-12
…”Hear this, you leaders of Jacob,
you rulers of Israel,
who despise justice
and distort all that is right;
who build Zion with bloodshed,
and Jerusalem with wickedness.
Her leaders judge for a bribe,
her priests teach for a price,
and her prophets tell fortunes for money.
Yet they look for the Lord’s support and say,
“Is not the Lord among us?
No disaster will come upon us.”
Therefore because of you,
Zion will be plowed like a field,
Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble,
the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets.Colter
Hi Colter, why would you quote scripture,
when you freely admit YOU don't believe scripture?
Should we assume that you agree with the parts you quote? (2 questions)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I will use an analogy as a rebuttal to your dishonest misrepresentation of what I think about the scripture. And btw, the priestly rulers often despised and rejected the prophets like Micah, only later generations were willing to acknowledge the prophets. The fraudulent guardians of the scripture rejected Jesus, the professed followers of Jesus now reject his latest gift of mercy, The Urantia Book.Analogy:
The American civil war happened, there are thousands of books written about the American Civil war with various opinions, theories and Bias.
Analogy:
The New York Times reports the news of the day, filtered through the bias of the writers and editorialized in the editorial section. So, while the news did happen, the reporting on the news may not accurately depict the truth of what happened.
Analogy:
When one goes to a flea market they may find some half way decent stuff, some fake antiques and some real gems that even the venders themselves did not identify.
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,02:32) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,00:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:10) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,21:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:38) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J
Frankly, the Bible (a collection of books) disagrees with itself in fundamental ways.* Do I believe the Bible to be inerrant? Most certainly not!
* Do I believe the Bible to be historically accurate? No, the OT is a remixed, exaggerated fiction concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon.
* The NT books retain enough of Jesus' teaching for one to follow him and extrapolate his religion, but the rest is heavily influenced by the corrupter Paul as well as additional edits and redactions of the original 4 gospels. The so called book of revelation doesn’t reveal anything but it does produce anxiety for the unlearned and unssuspecting.
My faith is in the God whose interaction with the world inspired the imperfect men
Colter
Hi Colter,(1) * Do I believe the UB to be inerrant?
(2)* Do I believe the UB to be historically accurate?
(3)* Do I believe the UB to be at odds with the book of revelation – and the epistles the Apostle Paul wrote?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgColter
1) No, Only God is inerrant, people substitute book worship for the uncertainty of living faith. It's tempting.2) Yes
3) Yes, Paul wasn't Jesus and Johns “Book of Revelation” is a distortion of the original, it reveals nothing and is not consistent with the “voice of the shepherd”. I am not a disciple of Paul, nor of Jimmy Swaggart, or Benny Hinn, I am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth.
Colter
See, Wakeup?
What is the problem with saying that I am something? Is this related to your voodoo numbers game?Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,03:26) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,02:31)
Hi Colter, why would you quote scripture,
when you freely admit YOU don't believe scripture?
Should we assume that you agree with the parts you quote? (2 questions)God bless
Ed J
I will use an analogy as a rebuttal to your dishonest misrepresentation of what I think about the scripture. And btw, the priestly rulers often despised and rejected the prophets like Micah, only later generations were willing to acknowledge the prophets. The fraudulent guardians of the scripture rejected Jesus, the professed followers of Jesus now reject his latest gift of mercy, The Urantia Book.Analogy:
The American civil war happened, there are thousands of books written about the American Civil war with various opinions, theories and Bias.
Analogy:
The New York Times reports the news of the day, filtered through the bias of the writers and editorialized in the editorial section. So, while the news did happen, the reporting on the news may not accurately depict the truth of what happened.
Analogy:
When one goes to a flea market they may find some half way decent stuff, some fake antiques and some real gems that even the venders themselves did not identify.
Colter
Hi Colter,Now that you have given a speech – will you answer my two questions?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,03:29)
What is the problem with saying that I am something? Is this related to your voodoo numbers game?Colter
Hi Colter,What do you mean 'your voodoo numbers game' ?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,03:38) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,03:26) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,02:31)
Hi Colter, why would you quote scripture,
when you freely admit YOU don't believe scripture?
Should we assume that you agree with the parts you quote? (2 questions)God bless
Ed J
I will use an analogy as a rebuttal to your dishonest misrepresentation of what I think about the scripture. And btw, the priestly rulers often despised and rejected the prophets like Micah, only later generations were willing to acknowledge the prophets. The fraudulent guardians of the scripture rejected Jesus, the professed followers of Jesus now reject his latest gift of mercy, The Urantia Book.Analogy:
The American civil war happened, there are thousands of books written about the American Civil war with various opinions, theories and Bias.
Analogy:
The New York Times reports the news of the day, filtered through the bias of the writers and editorialized in the editorial section. So, while the news did happen, the reporting on the news may not accurately depict the truth of what happened.
Analogy:
When one goes to a flea market they may find some half way decent stuff, some fake antiques and some real gems that even the venders themselves did not identify.
Colter
Hi Colter,Now that you have given a speech – will you answer my two questions?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I think you deliberately play the part of an antagonist, its a control thing, perhaps related to the manipulation exerted on you by guilt tripping Bible worshipers.I answered your questions with examples that you should understand but pretend not to in playing the part of a sincire person.
1) I never said that I don't believe scripture. You are a dishonest accuser …..see that Wakeup? I believe scripture to be a false authority constructed by the age old shamanistic practice of establishing controlling institutional authority.
2) Yes. Should I assume you are slow of understanding?
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,03:40) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,03:29)
What is the problem with saying that I am something? Is this related to your voodoo numbers game?Colter
Hi Colter,What do you mean 'your voodoo numbers game' ?
“There is an intelligence originating outside of time that can now be mathematically linked to the Christian Bible and even labeled… “GOD”!”That voodoo game!
Colter
Happy birthday Jesus
All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger.
122:8.2 In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus).
122:8.3 The next day after the birth of Jesus, Joseph made his enrollment. Meeting a man they had talked with two nights previously at Jericho, Joseph was taken by him to a well-to-do friend who had a room at the inn, and who said he would gladly exchange quarters with the Nazareth couple. That afternoon they moved up to the inn, where they lived for almost three weeks until they found lodgings in the home of a distant relative of Joseph.
122:8.4 The second day after the birth of Jesus, Mary sent word to Elizabeth that her child had come and received word in return inviting Joseph up to Jerusalem to talk over all their affairs with Zacharias. The following week Joseph went to Jerusalem to confer with Zacharias. Both Zacharias and Elizabeth had become possessed with the sincere conviction that Jesus was indeed to become the Jewish deliverer, the Messiah, and that their son John was to be his chief of aides, his right-hand man of destiny. And since Mary held these same ideas, it was not difficult to prevail upon Joseph to remain in Bethlehem, the City of David, so that Jesus might grow up to become the successor of David on the throne of all Israel. Accordingly, they remained in Bethlehem more than a year, Joseph meantime working some at his carpenter’s trade.122:8.5 At the noontide birth of Jesus the seraphim of Urantia, assembled under their directors, did sing anthems of glory over the Bethlehem manger, but these utterances of praise were not heard by human ears. No shepherds nor any other mortal creatures came to pay homage to the babe of Bethlehem until the day of the arrival of certain priests from Ur, who were sent down from Jerusalem by Zacharias.
122:8.6 These priests from Mesopotamia had been told sometime before by a strange religious teacher of their country that he had had a dream in which he was informed that “the light of life” was about to appear on earth as a babe and among the Jews. And thither went these three teachers looking for this “light of life.” After many weeks of futile search in Jerusalem, they were about to return to Ur when Zacharias met them and disclosed his belief that Jesus was the object of their quest and sent them on to Bethlehem, where they found the babe and left their gifts with Mary, his earth mother. The babe was almost three weeks old at the time of their visit.
122:8.7 These wise men saw no star to guide them to Bethlehem. The beautiful legend of the star of Bethlehem originated in this way: Jesus was born August 21 at noon, 7 B.C. On May 29, 7 B.C., there occurred an extraordinary conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. And it is a remarkable astronomic fact that similar conjunctions occurred on September 29 and December 5 of the same year. Upon the basis of these extraordinary but wholly natural events the well-meaning zealots of the succeeding generation constructed the appealing legend of the star of Bethlehem and the adoring Magi led thereby to the manger, where they beheld and worshiped the newborn babe. Oriental and near-Oriental minds delight in fairy stories, and they are continually spinning such beautiful myths about the lives of their religious leaders and political heroes. In the absence of printing, when most human knowledge was passed by word of mouth from one generation to another, it was very easy for myths to become traditions and for traditions eventually to become accepted as facts.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,04:31)
I think you deliberately play the part of an antagonist, its a control thing,
perhaps related to the manipulation exerted on you by guilt tripping Bible worshipers.
Hi Colter,Wrong and wrong again.
I ask questions for purposes of clarity.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,04:31) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,02:31)
Hi Colter, why would you quote scripture,
when you freely admit YOU don't believe scripture?
Should we assume that you agree with the parts you quote? (2 questions)God bless
Ed J1) I never said that I don't believe scripture.
2) Yes.
Colter
Thank you!
See that Wakeup,
he does answer questions.Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,04:33) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,03:40) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,03:29)
What is the problem with saying that I am something? Is this related to your voodoo numbers game?Colter
Hi Colter,What do you mean 'your voodoo numbers game' ?
“There is an intelligence originating outside of time that can now be mathematically linked to the Christian Bible and even labeled… “GOD”!”That voodoo game!
Colter
Hi Colter,Proof of God's existence is no game and not voodoo.
You can name-call if you think it makes you look better. …but I assure you it doesn't.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYes I see:
1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,08:40) Yes I see: 1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Colter.What happened to understanding scriptures?
It has gone out the window.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
First you have to believe they are true to begin
to grasp the deeper meanings of what they teach.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,10:06) Hi Wakeup, First you have to believe they are true to begin
to grasp the deeper meanings of what they teach.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
First you must be born again, born from above to enter the kingdom of heaven, to perceive the leading of the indwelling spirit of God. This same spirit birth can and does lead to a much greater insight into the spiritual truths contained within religious writings but this does not mean that the writings are inerrant.Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,09:09) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,08:40) Yes I see: 1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Colter.What happened to understanding scriptures?
It has gone out the window.wakeup.
Ed has something in his magic insights about the use of “I am”, I had asked him to explain but he only asks questions but doesn't answer.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,12:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,09:09) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,08:40) Yes I see: 1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Colter.What happened to understanding scriptures?
It has gone out the window.wakeup.
Ed has something in his magic insights about the use of “I am”, I had asked him to explain but he only asks questions but doesn't answer.Colter
Hi Colter,I did not know that you wanted to discuss the matter.
But if you do: here is the link to the thread. (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,12:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,09:09) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,08:40) Yes I see: 1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Colter.What happened to understanding scriptures?
It has gone out the window.wakeup.
Ed has something in his magic insights about the use of “I am”, I had asked him to explain but he only asks questions but doesn't answer.Colter
Colter.All Ed does is provide you with a link.
You mentioned born again; is this in the U.B?
wakeup.
You talk about the UB for 100years and still be apart ,just like the Koran,and the book of Mormons ,what is their to gain if God as blind you ,his scriptures are written for his people not for any other,
His people will understand his ways and their hearts will see ,so what is there to say ,if the once that listen are def to the words of God almighty and his son,
Nothing. The verdict applies they have not believe in the only begotten son of God.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 22 2012,13:05) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,12:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 22 2012,09:09) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,08:40) Yes I see: 1 Corinthians 15:9
“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
Colter
Colter.What happened to understanding scriptures?
It has gone out the window.wakeup.
Ed has something in his magic insights about the use of “I am”, I had asked him to explain but he only asks questions but doesn't answer.Colter
Hi Colter,I did not know that you wanted to discuss the matter.
But if you do: here is the link to the thread. (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Oh good grief! That's it? That's all?This is what happens when one over analyse's the fetish of scripture with the idolatrous theory that they contain secret codes and deep mysteries beyond the spiritual content.
Colter
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