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Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,10:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:20) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,07:19)
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…..”It is futile to talk about a revival of primitive Christianity; you must go forward from where you find yourselves. Modern culture must become spiritually baptized with a new revelation of Jesus’ life and illuminated with a new understanding of his gospel of eternal salvation. And when Jesus becomes thus lifted up, he will draw all men to himself. Jesus’ disciples should be more than conquerors, even overflowing sources of inspiration and enhanced living to all men. Religion is only an exalted humanism until it is made divine by the discovery of the reality of the presence of God in personal experience.[/color’>Colter
Hi Colter,Jesus' being lifted up is referring to his dying on the cross.
“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
he said this, signifying what death he should die.” (John 12:31-33)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I disagree.When Jesus is resurrected from the tomb of Paganized, institutionalised Christianity, when his true and original gospel of the kingdom of heaven is proclaimed to the world, when the gospel of the kingdom eventually transforms the world and Jesus is present in the heart of mankind world wide, then Jesus will be “lifted up”.
Colter
Colter,John 12:33 is “clear” that it's speaking of Jesus' crucifixion; are you disagreeing with scripture?
“he said this, signifying what death he should die (crucfixion).” (John 12:32)
There are many instances where scripture has additional deeper meanings.
My question to you, Colter, is:
Are you disagreeing with scripture or believing there is an additional deeper meaning to John 12:32?
“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.” (John 12:32)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,10:02) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Which Bible, in which age, and which interpretation? → Everyone on this forum disagrees with what the Bible actually says ←.Colter
Hi Colter,“The Bible” is Gen-Rev. …please answer → dodging questions is not productive. ←
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,10:02)
Everyone on this forum disagrees with what the Bible actually says.Colter
No,We disagree with how it should be interpreted – BIG DIFFERENCE!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,15:44) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,10:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:20) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,07:19)
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…..”It is futile to talk about a revival of primitive Christianity; you must go forward from where you find yourselves. Modern culture must become spiritually baptized with a new revelation of Jesus’ life and illuminated with a new understanding of his gospel of eternal salvation. And when Jesus becomes thus lifted up, he will draw all men to himself. Jesus’ disciples should be more than conquerors, even overflowing sources of inspiration and enhanced living to all men. Religion is only an exalted humanism until it is made divine by the discovery of the reality of the presence of God in personal experience.[/color’>Colter
Hi Colter,Jesus' being lifted up is referring to his dying on the cross.
“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
he said this, signifying what death he should die.” (John 12:31-33)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I disagree.When Jesus is resurrected from the tomb of Paganized, institutionalised Christianity, when his true and original gospel of the kingdom of heaven is proclaimed to the world, when the gospel of the kingdom eventually transforms the world and Jesus is present in the heart of mankind world wide, then Jesus will be “lifted up”.
Colter
Colter,John 12:33 is “clear” that it's speaking of Jesus' crucifixion; are you disagreeing with scripture?
“he said this, signifying what death he should die (crucfixion).” (John 12:32)
There are many instances where scripture has additional deeper meanings.
My question to you, Colter, is:
Are you disagreeing with scripture or believing there is an additional deeper meaning to John 12:32?
“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.” (John 12:32)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, not disagreeing. It's not complicated and not particularly deep. The resurrected Jesus is still in the process of “drawing all men to me”. Sending the Urantia Book is a part of that. Remember, you had originally highlighted a quote from the UB but then switched to John.Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,15:57) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,10:02)
Everyone on this forum disagrees with what the Bible actually says.Colter
No,We disagree with how it should be interpreted – BIG DIFFERENCE!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The “disagreements” are so large as to constitute totally different perceptions of reality. In fact there are multiple Orthadox religions based on the same book, so your question is to vague. You will need to take off your grand inquisitor cap and ask specific questions.Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,21:40) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,15:57) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,10:02)
Everyone on this forum disagrees with what the Bible actually says.Colter
No,We disagree with how it should be interpreted – BIG DIFFERENCE!
God bless
Ed J
(1)The “disagreements” are so large as to constitute totally different perceptions of reality. (2)In fact there are multiple Orthadox religions based on the same book, (3)so your question is to vague. (4)You will need to take off your grand inquisitor cap and ask specific questions.Colter
Hi Colter,1) Agreed
2) Yes, and your point is… (?)
3) Not so.
4) OK, I will be more specific…God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Colter,
I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:38) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Frankly, the Bible (a collection of books) disagrees with itself in fundamental ways.* Do I believe the Bible to be inerrant? Most certainly not!
* Do I believe the Bible to be historically accurate? No, the OT is a remixed, exaggerated fiction concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon.
* The NT books retain enough of Jesus' teaching for one to follow him and extrapolate his religion, but the rest is heavily influenced by the corrupter Paul as well as additional edits and redactions of the original 4 gospels. The so called book of revelation doesn’t reveal anything but it does produce anxiety for the unlearned and unssuspecting.
My faith is in the God whose interaction with the world inspired the imperfect men
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:38) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Frankly, the Bible (a collection of books) disagrees with itself in fundamental ways.* Do I believe the Bible to be inerrant? Most certainly not!
* Do I believe the Bible to be historically accurate? No, the OT is a remixed, exaggerated fiction concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon.
* The NT books retain enough of Jesus' teaching for one to follow him and extrapolate his religion, but the rest is heavily influenced by the corrupter Paul as well as additional edits and redactions of the original 4 gospels. The so called book of revelation doesn’t reveal anything but it does produce anxiety for the unlearned and unssuspecting.
My faith is in the God whose interaction with the world inspired the imperfect men who wrote the imperfect Bible. I call NO MAN nor any of mans books “My Father”.
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:49) Hi Colter, I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The UB is more accurate then the Bible, spiritually and historically, but no revelation short of the Universal Father can ever be complete. Future revelations will update the UB.Had the Bible not been petrified into an “idol”, had it been understood spiritually rather then as a fetish, then open minded spiritualist would quite naturally understand the Bible for what it is, they would be open to spiritual truth wherever they find it.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,21:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:38) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J
Frankly, the Bible (a collection of books) disagrees with itself in fundamental ways.* Do I believe the Bible to be inerrant? Most certainly not!
* Do I believe the Bible to be historically accurate? No, the OT is a remixed, exaggerated fiction concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon.
* The NT books retain enough of Jesus' teaching for one to follow him and extrapolate his religion, but the rest is heavily influenced by the corrupter Paul as well as additional edits and redactions of the original 4 gospels. The so called book of revelation doesn’t reveal anything but it does produce anxiety for the unlearned and unssuspecting.
My faith is in the God whose interaction with the world inspired the imperfect men
Colter
Hi Colter,* Do I believe the UB to be inerrant?
* Do I believe the UB to be historically accurate?
* Do I believe the UB to be at odds with the book of revelation – and the epistles the Apostle Paul wrote?
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,22:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:49) Hi Colter, I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J
The UB is more accurate then the Bible, spiritually and historically, but no revelation short of the Universal Father can ever be complete. Future revelations will update the UB.Had the Bible not been petrified into an “idol”, had it been understood spiritually rather then as a fetish, then open minded spiritualist would quite naturally understand the Bible for what it is, they would be open to spiritual truth wherever they find it.
Colter
Hi Colter,Followers of 'UB' book and followers of 'the quran' share in this opinion of “The Bible”.
Do the followers of the quran and the followers of the 'Urantia Book' share gods too?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,22:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:49) Hi Colter, I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J
The UB is more accurate then the Bible, spiritually and historically, but no revelation short of the Universal Father can ever be complete. Future revelations will update the UB.Had the Bible not been petrified into an “idol”, had it been understood spiritually rather then as a fetish, then open minded spiritualist would quite naturally understand the Bible for what it is, they would be open to spiritual truth wherever they find it.
Colter
Hi Colter,Followers of 'UB' book and followers of 'the quran' share in this opinion of “The Bible”.
Do the followers of the quran and the followers of the 'Urantia Book' share gods too?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Cor. 4:4)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,22:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:49) Hi Colter, I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J
The UB is more accurate then the Bible, spiritually and historically, but no revelation short of the Universal Father can ever be complete. Future revelations will update the UB.Had the Bible not been petrified into an “idol”, had it been understood spiritually rather then as a fetish, then open minded spiritualist would quite naturally understand the Bible for what it is, they would be open to spiritual truth wherever they find it.
Colter
Hi Colter,Followers of 'UB' book and followers of 'the quran' share in this opinion of “The Bible”.
Do the followers of the quran and the followers of the 'Urantia Book' share gods too?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
More of the same mental mechanics of theological legalisms, the bylaws of social club membership in place of sincere, spiritually based faith.There is only One God Ed, but many evolutionary religions who seek the same God. I observe many Muslims who are closer to the One God then the Westernized Christains.
Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:19) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,22:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:49) Hi Colter, I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J
The UB is more accurate then the Bible, spiritually and historically, but no revelation short of the Universal Father can ever be complete. Future revelations will update the UB.Had the Bible not been petrified into an “idol”, had it been understood spiritually rather then as a fetish, then open minded spiritualist would quite naturally understand the Bible for what it is, they would be open to spiritual truth wherever they find it.
Colter
Hi Colter,Followers of 'UB' book and followers of 'the quran' share in this opinion of “The Bible”.
Do the followers of the quran and the followers of the 'Urantia Book' share gods too?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Cor. 4:4)
The prophet “Micah”, then speaking of a future spiritual age:“But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God.” (4.4-5)
Micah 3.9-12
…”Hear this, you leaders of Jacob,
you rulers of Israel,
who despise justice
and distort all that is right;
who build Zion with bloodshed,
and Jerusalem with wickedness.
Her leaders judge for a bribe,
her priests teach for a price,
and her prophets tell fortunes for money.
Yet they look for the Lord’s support and say,
“Is not the Lord among us?
No disaster will come upon us.”
Therefore because of you,
Zion will be plowed like a field,
Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble,
the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets.Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:10) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,21:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:38) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J
Frankly, the Bible (a collection of books) disagrees with itself in fundamental ways.* Do I believe the Bible to be inerrant? Most certainly not!
* Do I believe the Bible to be historically accurate? No, the OT is a remixed, exaggerated fiction concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon.
* The NT books retain enough of Jesus' teaching for one to follow him and extrapolate his religion, but the rest is heavily influenced by the corrupter Paul as well as additional edits and redactions of the original 4 gospels. The so called book of revelation doesn’t reveal anything but it does produce anxiety for the unlearned and unssuspecting.
My faith is in the God whose interaction with the world inspired the imperfect men
Colter
Hi Colter,(1) * Do I believe the UB to be inerrant?
(2)* Do I believe the UB to be historically accurate?
(3)* Do I believe the UB to be at odds with the book of revelation – and the epistles the Apostle Paul wrote?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgColter
1) No, Only God is inerrant, people substitute book worship for the uncertainty of living faith. It's tempting.2) Yes
3) Yes, Paul wasn't Jesus and Johns “Book of Revelation” is a distortion of the original, it reveals nothing and is not consistent with the “voice of the shepherd”. I am not a disciple of Paul, nor of Jimmy Swaggart, or Benny Hinn, I am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,00:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:10) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,21:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:38) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J
Frankly, the Bible (a collection of books) disagrees with itself in fundamental ways.* Do I believe the Bible to be inerrant? Most certainly not!
* Do I believe the Bible to be historically accurate? No, the OT is a remixed, exaggerated fiction concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon.
* The NT books retain enough of Jesus' teaching for one to follow him and extrapolate his religion, but the rest is heavily influenced by the corrupter Paul as well as additional edits and redactions of the original 4 gospels. The so called book of revelation doesn’t reveal anything but it does produce anxiety for the unlearned and unssuspecting.
My faith is in the God whose interaction with the world inspired the imperfect men
Colter
Hi Colter,(1) * Do I believe the UB to be inerrant?
(2)* Do I believe the UB to be historically accurate?
(3)* Do I believe the UB to be at odds with the book of revelation – and the epistles the Apostle Paul wrote?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgColter
1) No, Only God is inerrant, people substitute book worship for the uncertainty of living faith. It's tempting.2) Yes
3) Yes, Paul wasn't Jesus and Johns “Book of Revelation” is a distortion of the original, it reveals nothing and is not consistent with the “voice of the shepherd”. I am not a disciple of Paul, nor of Jimmy Swaggart, or Benny Hinn, I am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth.
Colter
Colter.How can the gospel of the kingdom be preached to all the earth,since the early christians dont posses the U.B?
Since all the apostles were corrupt in your eyes.
wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,23:27) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:19) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:17) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,22:07) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:49) Hi Colter, I will be more specific:
Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible – the bible consisting of the accepted 66 books?
God bless
Ed J
The UB is more accurate then the Bible, spiritually and historically, but no revelation short of the Universal Father can ever be complete. Future revelations will update the UB.Had the Bible not been petrified into an “idol”, had it been understood spiritually rather then as a fetish, then open minded spiritualist would quite naturally understand the Bible for what it is, they would be open to spiritual truth wherever they find it.
Colter
Hi Colter,Followers of 'UB' book and followers of 'the quran' share in this opinion of “The Bible”.
Do the followers of the quran and the followers of the 'Urantia Book' share gods too?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Cor. 4:4)
The prophet “Micah”, then speaking of a future spiritual age:“But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God.” (4.4-5)
Micah 3.9-12
…”Hear this, you leaders of Jacob,
you rulers of Israel,
who despise justice
and distort all that is right;
who build Zion with bloodshed,
and Jerusalem with wickedness.
Her leaders judge for a bribe,
her priests teach for a price,
and her prophets tell fortunes for money.
Yet they look for the Lord’s support and say,
“Is not the Lord among us?
No disaster will come upon us.”
Therefore because of you,
Zion will be plowed like a field,
Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble,
the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets.Colter
Hi Colter, why would you quote scripture,
when you freely admit YOU don't believe scripture?
Should we assume that you agree with the parts you quote? (2 questions)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ Aug. 22 2012,00:00) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,22:10) Quote (Colter @ Aug. 21 2012,21:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,21:38) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 21 2012,09:23) Hi Colter, Is the Urantia Book at odds with the Bible?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Colter,Then you would say “No” to this question; right?
God bless
Ed J
Frankly, the Bible (a collection of books) disagrees with itself in fundamental ways.* Do I believe the Bible to be inerrant? Most certainly not!
* Do I believe the Bible to be historically accurate? No, the OT is a remixed, exaggerated fiction concocted by the elite Hebrew priest in Babylon.
* The NT books retain enough of Jesus' teaching for one to follow him and extrapolate his religion, but the rest is heavily influenced by the corrupter Paul as well as additional edits and redactions of the original 4 gospels. The so called book of revelation doesn’t reveal anything but it does produce anxiety for the unlearned and unssuspecting.
My faith is in the God whose interaction with the world inspired the imperfect men
Colter
Hi Colter,(1) * Do I believe the UB to be inerrant?
(2)* Do I believe the UB to be historically accurate?
(3)* Do I believe the UB to be at odds with the book of revelation – and the epistles the Apostle Paul wrote?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgColter
1) No, Only God is inerrant, people substitute book worship for the uncertainty of living faith. It's tempting.2) Yes
3) Yes, Paul wasn't Jesus and Johns “Book of Revelation” is a distortion of the original, it reveals nothing and is not consistent with the “voice of the shepherd”. I am not a disciple of Paul, nor of Jimmy Swaggart, or Benny Hinn, I am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth.
Colter
See, Wakeup?
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