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Quote (Colter @ July 30 2012,11:11) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,10:37) Quote (Colter @ July 30 2012,05:09) Quote Colter .
I did not asked you to quote Jesus,but what the urantia says.
Any book can apply Jesus wordsto it,that does not mean that we can trust that book.As the book of mormon also.I know for shure that Jesus never mentioned an other book,but the ones written by the prophets and the apostles.
Because the core of the teachings is contradictory to the scriptures.Such as Jesus is micha'el.this is error.
This can only mean that it is preaching another Jesus,and another gospel.Remember these words: Gal.1:8. But though we; or an angel from heaven,preach any other gospel unto you than WHICH WE HAVE PREACHED UNTO YOU,LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
Our rock foundation is the holy book and none other.
You started with studying the U.B. and therefore you can not understand the depth of the scriptures.
For it is very deep indeed.wakeup.
* Jesus never mentioned books by the apostles.
* The core of Jesus teaching in the Bible is contradictory to Paul's Pagan blood sacrifice religion of Christianity.
* Truth is known by it's fruits, not authoritarianism.
* Magic spells and curses don't exist.
Colter
Colter.Yes he did: he says ''THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD FOR A WITNESS.
NOT THE U,B.FOR A WITNESS.?
Paul is a great apostle; he could not be a false teacher after he saw,and heard Jesus say to him '' saul, saul why do you persecute me? He wrote most of the gospels,and he is in charge to preach to the gentiles,for he is an intelect multi lingual.
wakeup.
Wakeup, you don't seem to understand, you had said:Quote I know for shure that Jesus never mentioned an other book,but the ones written by the prophets and the apostles. Jesus didn't mention the NT books either, people began writing them 50+ years after Jesus left, after Paul barged in with a new gospel.
Quote Paul is a great apostle; he could not be a false teacher after he saw,and heard Jesus say to him '' saul, saul why do you persecute me? He wrote most of the gospels,and he is in charge to preach to the gentiles,for he is an intelect multi lingual. Jesus chose twelve others while on the earth, Paul was just the first great evangelist,he influenced the message at a time when the Christian church and theology was forming.
Colter
Thats what they are telling you Colter, but it is not true.
The bible came out first in the 1600's
The book of Urantia came out 3 1/2 century's later.
Would the God of Urantia allow people in the last few hundred years be deceived? What choice did the others have, as this book was not available to them?
Or even the people around Christ's time?
This is what the Christ mean't regarding people feeding on strange flesh. It's not the Word of God, it's the opposite. The bible never once mentioned Urantia and this spiritual food you are feeding yourself on is from another spirit, and against what the spirit of God has been warning us.
But it's your choosing. You like this flesh for some reason?Can you please address all my questions without skipping this time? Because you never answered this question many times?
Quote Thats what they are telling you Colter, but it is not true. Paul was NOT one of the 12 that Jesus chose to go out into the world. Paul was a clever corrupter of the original gospel.
Paul fell out with some of the other apostles trained by Jesus.
Paul dominates the NT (his Christian theology about Jesus influenced the so called gospels about Jesus
I stand ready to answer to my Lord that I followed the voice of the true shepherd, I do not respond to the Pagan voice of Paul.
This controversy about Paul’s influence is not new.
Quote The bible came out first in the 1600's More has been reveled in the Urantia revelation.
As for the Bible it has contained different books at different times, books that were originally considered “inspired” but then taken away by latter councils.
Wikipedia: The Old Testament canon entered into Christian use in the Greek Septuagint translations and original books, and their differing lists of texts. In addition to the Septuagint, Christianity subsequently added various writings that would become the New Testament. Somewhat different lists of accepted works continued to develop in antiquity. In the 4th century a series of synods produced a list of texts equal to the 39, 46(51),54, or 57 book canon of the Old Testament and to the 27-book canon of the New Testament that would be subsequently used to today, most notably the Synod of Hippo in AD 393. Also c. 400, Jerome produced a definitive Latin edition of the Bible (see Vulgate), the canon of which, at the insistence of the Pope, was in accord with the earlier Synods. With the benefit of hindsight it can be said that this process effectively set the New Testament canon, although there are examples of other canonical lists in use after this time. A definitive list did not come from an Ecumenical Council until the Council of Trent (1545–63).[32]
Quote The book of Urantia came out 3 1/2 century's later. Jesus appeared long after Abraham, what's your point?
Quote Would the God of Urantia allow people in the last few hundred years be deceived? What choice did the others have, as this book was not available to them? Did God allow Satan to “fool the whole world” ? That was another unthinking question. Human wisdom must evolve!
Jesus taught man to have a faith based, spiritual relationship with the living God……..but man has a habit of making idols and fetishes out of things like books because the faith based spiritual relationship is to uncertain for lazy men.
Your religious organization taught you that the Bible is perfect, NOT GOD!
Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.
101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.
101:4.4 In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.
101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:
1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.
2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.
3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.
4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.
5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.
Quote Or even the people around Christ's time? Didn’t Jesus tell us that many false prophets would come? So apparently God wants us to lean how to perceive spiritual truth in the presence of error.
Quote This is what the Christ mean't regarding people feeding on strange flesh. It's not the Word of God, it's the opposite. The bible never once mentioned Urantia and this spiritual food you are feeding yourself on is from another spirit, and against what the spirit of God has been warning us. The Word of God is living.
The Bible never once mentioned personal computers, do you believe they exist?
More has been revealed.
Quote But it's your choosing. You like this flesh for some reason? Talk of “flesh” is primitive Pagan-speak.
I like the UB because it reveals more, it is consistent and even prophetic with scientific discoveries about the old earth, evolution etc.
Quote Can you please address all my questions without skipping this time? Because you never answered this question many times? Yes
To sum up your arguments, had you been a Jew in the days of Christ you would have rejected him using all the same ways of intellectualizing Jesus' revelation.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 30 2012,23:21) Quote Thats what they are telling you Colter, but it is not true. Paul was NOT one of the 12 that Jesus chose to go out into the world. Paul was a clever corrupter of the original gospel.
Paul fell out with some of the other apostles trained by Jesus.
Paul dominates the NT (his Christian theology about Jesus influenced the so called gospels about Jesus
I stand ready to answer to my Lord that I followed the voice of the true shepherd, I do not respond to the Pagan voice of Paul.
This controversy about Paul’s influence is not new.
Quote The bible came out first in the 1600's More has been reveled in the Urantia revelation.
As for the Bible it has contained different books at different times, books that were originally considered “inspired” but then taken away by latter councils.
Wikipedia: The Old Testament canon entered into Christian use in the Greek Septuagint translations and original books, and their differing lists of texts. In addition to the Septuagint, Christianity subsequently added various writings that would become the New Testament. Somewhat different lists of accepted works continued to develop in antiquity. In the 4th century a series of synods produced a list of texts equal to the 39, 46(51),54, or 57 book canon of the Old Testament and to the 27-book canon of the New Testament that would be subsequently used to today, most notably the Synod of Hippo in AD 393. Also c. 400, Jerome produced a definitive Latin edition of the Bible (see Vulgate), the canon of which, at the insistence of the Pope, was in accord with the earlier Synods. With the benefit of hindsight it can be said that this process effectively set the New Testament canon, although there are examples of other canonical lists in use after this time. A definitive list did not come from an Ecumenical Council until the Council of Trent (1545–63).[32]
Quote The book of Urantia came out 3 1/2 century's later. Jesus appeared long after Abraham, what's your point?
Quote Would the God of Urantia allow people in the last few hundred years be deceived? What choice did the others have, as this book was not available to them? Did God allow Satan to “fool the whole world” ? That was another unthinking question. Human wisdom must evolve!
Jesus taught man to have a faith based, spiritual relationship with the living God……..but man has a habit of making idols and fetishes out of things like books because the faith based spiritual relationship is to uncertain for lazy men.
Your religious organization taught you that the Bible is perfect, NOT GOD!
Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.
101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.
101:4.4 In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.
101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:
1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.
2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.
3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.
4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.
5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.
Quote Or even the people around Christ's time? Didn’t Jesus tell us that many false prophets would come? So apparently God wants us to lean how to perceive spiritual truth in the presence of error.
Quote This is what the Christ mean't regarding people feeding on strange flesh. It's not the Word of God, it's the opposite. The bible never once mentioned Urantia and this spiritual food you are feeding yourself on is from another spirit, and against what the spirit of God has been warning us. The Word of God is living.
The Bible never once mentioned personal computers, do you believe they exist?
More has been revealed.
Quote But it's your choosing. You like this flesh for some reason? Talk of “flesh” is primitive Pagan-speak.
I like the UB because it reveals more, it is consistent and even prophetic with scientific discoveries about the old earth, evolution etc.
Quote Can you please address all my questions without skipping this time? Because you never answered this question many times? Yes
To sum up your arguments, had you been a Jew in the days of Christ you would have rejected him using all the same ways of intellectualizing Jesus' revelation.
Colter
Quote To sum up your arguments, had you been a Jew in the days of Christ you would have rejected him using all the same ways of intellectualizing Jesus' revelation.
And what makes you so sure of that?
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What difference does it make what generation I was born in?
For only God can draw us.John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Quote And what makes you so sure of that? John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What difference does it make what generation I was born in?
For only God can draw us.John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
yea, preaching to the choir. You should probably learn more about what the UB says before you disagree with it.
Second Appearance to the Apostles
(2042.5) 191:5.1 Thomas spent a lonesome week alone with himself in the hills around about Olivet. During this time he saw only those at Simon’s house and John Mark. It was about nine o’clock on Saturday, April 15, when the two apostles found him and took him back with them to their rendezvous at the Mark home. The next day Thomas listened to the telling of the stories of the Master’s various appearances, but he steadfastly refused to believe. He maintained that Peter had enthused them into thinking they had seen the Master. Nathaniel reasoned with him, but it did no good. There was an emotional stubbornness associated with his customary doubtfulness, and this state of mind, coupled with his chagrin at having run away from them, conspired to create a situation of isolation which even Thomas himself did not fully understand. He had withdrawn from his fellows, he had gone his own way, and now, even when he was back among them, he unconsciously tended to assume an attitude of disagreement. He was slow to surrender; he disliked to give in. Without intending it, he really enjoyed the attention paid him; he derived unconscious satisfaction from the efforts of all his fellows to convince and convert him. He had missed them for a full week, and he obtained considerable pleasure from their persistent attentions.
(2042.6) 191:5.2 They were having their evening meal a little after six o’clock, with Peter sitting on one side of Thomas and Nathaniel on the other, when the doubting apostle said: “I will not believe unless I see the Master with my own eyes and put my finger in the mark of the nails.” As they thus sat at supper, and while the doors were securely shut and barred, the morontia Master suddenly appeared inside the curvature of the table and, standing directly in front of Thomas, said:
(2043.1) 191:5.3“Peace be upon you. For a full week have I tarried that I might appear again when you were all present to hear once more the commission to go into all the world and preach this gospel of the kingdom. Again I tell you: As the Father sent me into the world, so send I you. As I have revealed the Father, so shall you reveal the divine love, not merely with words, but in your daily living. I send you forth, not to love the souls of men, but rather to love men. You are not merely to proclaim the joys of heaven but also to exhibit in your daily experience these spirit realities of the divine life since you already have eternal life, as the gift of God, through faith. When you have faith, when power from on high, the Spirit of Truth, has come upon you, you will not hide your light here behind closed doors; you will make known the love and the mercy of God to all mankind. Through fear you now flee from the facts of a disagreeable experience, but when you shall have been baptized with the Spirit of Truth, you will bravely and joyously go forth to meet the new experiences of proclaiming the good news of eternal life in the kingdom of God. You may tarry here and in Galilee for a short season while you recover from the shock of the transition from the false security of the authority of traditionalism to the new order of the authority of facts, truth, and faith in the supreme realities of living experience. Your mission to the world is founded on the fact that I lived a God-revealing life among you; on the truth that you and all other men are the sons of God; and it shall consist in the life which you will live among men — the actual and living experience of loving men and serving them, even as I have loved and served you. Let faith reveal your light to the world; let the revelation of truth open the eyes blinded by tradition; let your loving service effectually destroy the prejudice engendered by ignorance. By so drawing close to your fellow men in understanding sympathy and with unselfish devotion, you will lead them into a saving knowledge of the Father’s love. The Jews have extolled goodness; the Greeks have exalted beauty; the Hindus preach devotion; the faraway ascetics teach reverence; the Romans demand loyalty; but I require of my disciples life, even a life of loving service for your brothers in the flesh.”
(2043.2) 191:5.4 When the Master had so spoken, he looked down into the face of Thomas and said:“And you, Thomas, who said you would not believe unless you could see me and put your finger in the nail marks of my hands, have now beheld me and heard my words; and though you see no nail marks on my hands, since I am raised in the form that you also shall have when you depart from this world, what will you say to your brethren? You will acknowledge the truth, for already in your heart you had begun to believe even when you so stoutly asserted your unbelief. Your doubts, Thomas, always most stubbornly assert themselves just as they are about to crumble. Thomas, I bid you be not faithless but believing — and I know you will believe, even with a whole heart.”
(2043.3) 191:5.5 When Thomas heard these words, he fell on his knees before the morontia Master and exclaimed, “I believe! My Lord and my Master!” Then said Jesus to Thomas: “You have believed, Thomas, because you have really seen and heard me. Blessed are those in the ages to come who will believe even though they have not seen with the eye of flesh nor heard with the mortal ear.”
(2043.4) 191:5.6 And then, as the Master’s form moved over near the head of the table, he addressed them all, saying:“And now go all of you to Galilee, where I will presently appear to you.” After he said this, he vanished from their sight.
(2044.1) 191:5.7 The eleven apostles were now fully convinced that Jesus had risen from the dead, and very early the next morning, before the break of day, they started out for Galilee.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 30 2012,23:21) Quote Thats what they are telling you Colter, but it is not true. Paul was NOT one of the 12 that Jesus chose to go out into the world. Paul was a clever corrupter of the original gospel.
Paul fell out with some of the other apostles trained by Jesus.
Paul dominates the NT (his Christian theology about Jesus influenced the so called gospels about Jesus
I stand ready to answer to my Lord that I followed the voice of the true shepherd, I do not respond to the Pagan voice of Paul.
This controversy about Paul’s influence is not new.
Quote The bible came out first in the 1600's More has been reveled in the Urantia revelation.
As for the Bible it has contained different books at different times, books that were originally considered “inspired” but then taken away by latter councils.
Wikipedia: The Old Testament canon entered into Christian use in the Greek Septuagint translations and original books, and their differing lists of texts. In addition to the Septuagint, Christianity subsequently added various writings that would become the New Testament. Somewhat different lists of accepted works continued to develop in antiquity. In the 4th century a series of synods produced a list of texts equal to the 39, 46(51),54, or 57 book canon of the Old Testament and to the 27-book canon of the New Testament that would be subsequently used to today, most notably the Synod of Hippo in AD 393. Also c. 400, Jerome produced a definitive Latin edition of the Bible (see Vulgate), the canon of which, at the insistence of the Pope, was in accord with the earlier Synods. With the benefit of hindsight it can be said that this process effectively set the New Testament canon, although there are examples of other canonical lists in use after this time. A definitive list did not come from an Ecumenical Council until the Council of Trent (1545–63).[32]
Quote The book of Urantia came out 3 1/2 century's later. Jesus appeared long after Abraham, what's your point?
Quote Would the God of Urantia allow people in the last few hundred years be deceived? What choice did the others have, as this book was not available to them? Did God allow Satan to “fool the whole world” ? That was another unthinking question. Human wisdom must evolve!
Jesus taught man to have a faith based, spiritual relationship with the living God……..but man has a habit of making idols and fetishes out of things like books because the faith based spiritual relationship is to uncertain for lazy men.
Your religious organization taught you that the Bible is perfect, NOT GOD!
Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.
101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.
101:4.4 In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.
101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:
1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.
2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.
3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.
4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.
5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.
Quote Or even the people around Christ's time? Didn’t Jesus tell us that many false prophets would come? So apparently God wants us to lean how to perceive spiritual truth in the presence of error.
Quote This is what the Christ mean't regarding people feeding on strange flesh. It's not the Word of God, it's the opposite. The bible never once mentioned Urantia and this spiritual food you are feeding yourself on is from another spirit, and against what the spirit of God has been warning us. The Word of God is living.
The Bible never once mentioned personal computers, do you believe they exist?
More has been revealed.
Quote But it's your choosing. You like this flesh for some reason? Talk of “flesh” is primitive Pagan-speak.
I like the UB because it reveals more, it is consistent and even prophetic with scientific discoveries about the old earth, evolution etc.
Quote Can you please address all my questions without skipping this time? Because you never answered this question many times? Yes
To sum up your arguments, had you been a Jew in the days of Christ you would have rejected him using all the same ways of intellectualizing Jesus' revelation.
Colter
Colter.Do you know what the word inspired means?
So the book of acts and the others are inspired by Jesus through the holy spirit.
So it is obvious that all is written by his approval.So its his book: What does it matter how many years later it was written?
Does it make sense to you?
You have all these accusations against paul; but with no evidence; no evidence ,no case.The U.B. has no historical evidence.Its hollywood.
wakeup.
wakeup.
Quote Do you know what the word inspired means?
So the book of acts and the others are inspired by Jesus through the holy spirit.
So it is obvious that all is written by his approval.So its his book: What does it matter how many years later it was written?
Does it make sense to you?
You have all these accusations against paul; but with no evidence; no evidence ,no case.The U.B. has no historical evidence.Its hollywood.
wakeup.
* Yes, I know what inspired means; someone writes a book or movie that was inspired by real events. But,”the river bed is not the river”.
* Biblical scholars have long debated inconsistencies in Acts
* The Holy spirit or “spirit of truth” that Jesus sent is still here.
Colter
Colter.
The Holy spirit is here alright,but he has not inspired the U.B.
because you have contradicted just aboutt 99% of the scriptures.And the apostles and the prophesies; the lot.
You are on the outside, trying to get in through a different Jesus.A different prophet,an unseen prophet.(s).
Jesus called them ''robbers''.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,10:44) Colter. The Holy spirit is here alright,but he has not inspired the U.B.
because you have contradicted just aboutt 99% of the scriptures.And the apostles and the prophesies; the lot.
You are on the outside, trying to get in through a different Jesus.A different prophet,an unseen prophet.(s).
Jesus called them ''robbers''.wakeup.
I haven't contradicted Jesus, you have, because you presume to stand in judgment of my relationship with Jesus, with the Father.The voice of the shepherd that Jesus spoke of was not the voice of Paul, it wasn't the voice of idol making, it was the voice of brotherly love and service to ones fellows.
God knows what's in my heart, I stand in staunch, unapologetic defence of this latest revelation of truth that I recognise through honest searching and living faith.
Jesus needs to be rescued from the Bible and the institutional church.
Colter
Hi Culture,
You mean 'institutionalized religion'(spiritual jail); right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,12:41) Hi Culture, You mean 'institutionalized religion'(spiritual jail); right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The Urantia BookPaper 155
Fleeing Through Northern Galilee
…The Second Discourse on Religion, Jesus to the twelve:
“You have come out from among those of your fellows who choose to remain satisfied with a religion of mind, who crave security and prefer conformity. You have elected to exchange your feelings of authoritative certainty for the assurances of the spirit of adventurous and progressive faith. You have dared to protest against the grueling bondage of institutional religion and to reject the authority of the traditions of record which are now regarded as the word of God. Our Father did indeed speak through Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Amos, and Hosea, but he did not cease to minister words of truth to the world when these prophets of old made an end of their utterances. My Father is no respecter of races or generations in that the word of truth is vouchsafed one age and withheld from another. Commit not the folly of calling that divine which is wholly human, and fail not to discern the words of truth which come not through the traditional oracles of supposed inspiration.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 31 2012,12:31) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,10:44) Colter. The Holy spirit is here alright,but he has not inspired the U.B.
because you have contradicted just aboutt 99% of the scriptures.And the apostles and the prophesies; the lot.
You are on the outside, trying to get in through a different Jesus.A different prophet,an unseen prophet.(s).
Jesus called them ''robbers''.wakeup.
I haven't contradicted Jesus, you have, because you presume to stand in judgment of my relationship with Jesus, with the Father.The voice of the shepherd that Jesus spoke of was not the voice of Paul, it wasn't the voice of idol making, it was the voice of brotherly love and service to ones fellows.
God knows what's in my heart, I stand in staunch, unapologetic defence of this latest revelation of truth that I recognise through honest searching and living faith.
Jesus needs to be rescued from the Bible and the institutional church.
Colter
Colter.Was it the Holy spirit that inspired the U.B.?
Why was that not inspired at the day of pantecost?
Or is that also a made up story to you?Show me the account of the resurrection in that book you worship.Or is the resurrection also a made up story?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,22:48) Quote (Colter @ July 31 2012,12:31) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,10:44) Colter. The Holy spirit is here alright,but he has not inspired the U.B.
because you have contradicted just aboutt 99% of the scriptures.And the apostles and the prophesies; the lot.
You are on the outside, trying to get in through a different Jesus.A different prophet,an unseen prophet.(s).
Jesus called them ''robbers''.wakeup.
I haven't contradicted Jesus, you have, because you presume to stand in judgment of my relationship with Jesus, with the Father.The voice of the shepherd that Jesus spoke of was not the voice of Paul, it wasn't the voice of idol making, it was the voice of brotherly love and service to ones fellows.
God knows what's in my heart, I stand in staunch, unapologetic defence of this latest revelation of truth that I recognise through honest searching and living faith.
Jesus needs to be rescued from the Bible and the institutional church.
Colter
Colter.Was it the Holy spirit that inspired the U.B.?
Why was that not inspired at the day of pantecost?
Or is that also a made up story to you?Show me the account of the resurrection in that book you worship.Or is the resurrection also a made up story?
wakeup.
Yes, I will link the incredible story of the resurrection of Jesus from the UB.Colter
Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,12:41) Hi Culture, You mean 'institutionalized religion'(spiritual jail); right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Spiritual jail is a good discription of the situation.
Jer.25:38.He hath forsaken is covert,as the lion:
For their land is DESOLATE, because of THE FIERCENESS OF THE OPPRESSOR,AND BECAUSE OF HIS FIERSE ANGER.Satan will never open the prison doors.
wakeup.
“Sectarianism is a disease of institutional religion, and dogmatism is an enslavement of the spiritual nature. It is far better to have a religion without a church than a church without religion. The religious turmoil of the twentieth century does not, in and of itself, betoken spiritual decadence. Confusion goes before growth as well as before destruction.”
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 31 2012,23:58) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,22:48) Quote (Colter @ July 31 2012,12:31) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,10:44) Colter. The Holy spirit is here alright,but he has not inspired the U.B.
because you have contradicted just aboutt 99% of the scriptures.And the apostles and the prophesies; the lot.
You are on the outside, trying to get in through a different Jesus.A different prophet,an unseen prophet.(s).
Jesus called them ''robbers''.wakeup.
I haven't contradicted Jesus, you have, because you presume to stand in judgment of my relationship with Jesus, with the Father.The voice of the shepherd that Jesus spoke of was not the voice of Paul, it wasn't the voice of idol making, it was the voice of brotherly love and service to ones fellows.
God knows what's in my heart, I stand in staunch, unapologetic defence of this latest revelation of truth that I recognise through honest searching and living faith.
Jesus needs to be rescued from the Bible and the institutional church.
Colter
Colter.Was it the Holy spirit that inspired the U.B.?
Why was that not inspired at the day of pantecost?
Or is that also a made up story to you?Show me the account of the resurrection in that book you worship.Or is the resurrection also a made up story?
wakeup.
Yes, I will link the incredible story of the resurrection of Jesus from the UB.Colter
Colter.Who were the witnesses at the resurrection?
Was not one of them MARY MAGDALENE?
And it was the apotles that saw the tomb empty.
And did not Jesus appeared to them in some occasions?Where are the eye witnesses in the U.B. case?
No witnesses; no case.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 02 2012,23:53) Quote (Colter @ July 31 2012,23:58) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,22:48) Quote (Colter @ July 31 2012,12:31) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,10:44) Colter. The Holy spirit is here alright,but he has not inspired the U.B.
because you have contradicted just aboutt 99% of the scriptures.And the apostles and the prophesies; the lot.
You are on the outside, trying to get in through a different Jesus.A different prophet,an unseen prophet.(s).
Jesus called them ''robbers''.wakeup.
I haven't contradicted Jesus, you have, because you presume to stand in judgment of my relationship with Jesus, with the Father.The voice of the shepherd that Jesus spoke of was not the voice of Paul, it wasn't the voice of idol making, it was the voice of brotherly love and service to ones fellows.
God knows what's in my heart, I stand in staunch, unapologetic defence of this latest revelation of truth that I recognise through honest searching and living faith.
Jesus needs to be rescued from the Bible and the institutional church.
Colter
Colter.Was it the Holy spirit that inspired the U.B.?
Why was that not inspired at the day of pantecost?
Or is that also a made up story to you?Show me the account of the resurrection in that book you worship.Or is the resurrection also a made up story?
wakeup.
Yes, I will link the incredible story of the resurrection of Jesus from the UB.Colter
Colter.Who were the witnesses at the resurrection?
Was not one of them MARY MAGDALENE?
And it was the apotles that saw the tomb empty.
And did not Jesus appeared to them in some occasions?Where are the eye witnesses in the U.B. case?
No witnesses; no case.wakeup.
Myself, I don't need a witness, Jesus even proved that miracles performed before the eyes of his enemies didn't persuade them because they were blinded by the authority of their scripture.You lack the ability to “perceive truth” because you have been incarcerated by authoritarian dogma.
“The authority of truth is the very spirit that indwells its living manifestations, and not the dead words of the less illuminated and supposedly inspired men of another generation.”
Colter
Colter.
You say blinded by the scriptures?
But there was no new testament then.
They wrote the gospels.(hello).
They were eye witnesses,strong eye witnesses.
No witness no case.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 01 2012,03:02) Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2012,12:41) Hi Culture, You mean 'institutionalized religion'(spiritual jail); right?
God bless
Ed J
EDJ.Spiritual jail is a good discription of the situation.
wakeup.
ThanksYour brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,02:52) Colter. You say blinded by the scriptures?
But there was no new testament then.
They wrote the gospels.(hello).
They were eye witnesses,strong eye witnesses.
No witness no case.wakeup.
Im not even sure what your point is here Wakeup,* Luke wasn't an eye witness, he was Pauls deciple, he did the best he could to write a sincere account. God didn't write it Luke did.
* None of this preclude's additional revelation.
* Spirituality isn't a court of law, however listening to your legalistic reasoning, you would have supported the trumped up trial that lead to the murder of Jesus.
* Pauls Christian religion about Jesus actually needs the unjust trial and murder for the Pagan blood sacrifice.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ Aug. 06 2012,21:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,02:52) Colter. You say blinded by the scriptures?
But there was no new testament then.
They wrote the gospels.(hello).
They were eye witnesses,strong eye witnesses.
No witness no case.wakeup.
Im not even sure what your point is here Wakeup,* Luke wasn't an eye witness, he was Pauls deciple, he did the best he could to write a sincere account. God didn't write it Luke did.
* None of this preclude's additional revelation.
* Spirituality isn't a court of law, however listening to your legalistic reasoning, you would have supported the trumped up trial that lead to the murder of Jesus.
* Pauls Christian religion about Jesus actually needs the unjust trial and murder for the Pagan blood sacrifice.
Colter
Hi Colter: what do you make of these verses?“Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will
of him that sent me, and to finish his work.” (John 4:34)“When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.” (John 19:30)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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