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Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
159:4.3 These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.Colter
2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.
Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,06:32) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,04:01) Jesus: Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
159:4.3 These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.Colter
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,00:37) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,00:24) Hi Colter, “In the multitude of dreams and many words
are also vanities: but fear thou God. (Ecclesiastes 5:7)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.”Colter
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Colter,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote 155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Quote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:07) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,06:32) 2:6.8 God loves the sinner and hates the sin: such a statement is true philosophically, but God is a transcendent personality, and persons can only love and hate other persons. Sin is not a person. God loves the sinner because he is a personality reality (potentially eternal), while towards sin God strikes no personal attitude, for sin is not a spiritual reality; it is not personal; therefore does only the justice of God take cognizance of its existence. The love of God saves the sinner; the law of God destroys the sin. This attitude of the divine nature would apparently change if the sinner finally identified himself wholly with sin just as the same mortal mind may also fully identify itself with the indwelling spirit Adjuster. Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) and would experience eventual extinction of being. Unreality, even incompleteness of creature nature, cannot exist forever in a progressingly real and increasingly spiritual universe.
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
God doesn't hate anything, men hate others and created God in their own image then create scriptures that religion uses to control people.Colter
Quote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:33) Colter,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote 155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
There are 2 gospels in the New Testament, the original gospel and the Pagan remix of blood sacrifice is overlaid over top of the original.Colter
Quote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:18) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,00:37) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,00:24) Hi Colter, “In the multitude of dreams and many words
are also vanities: but fear thou God. (Ecclesiastes 5:7)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.”Colter
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
after 2,000 years the “shortly” myth is has been discredited.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,04:01) Jesus: Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin…
Hi Colter,I rest my case.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:10) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,04:01) Jesus: Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
159:4.3 These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.Colter
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Pauls opinion……LOL! and then they made that scripture to
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,09:08) Quote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:10) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,04:01) Jesus: Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
159:4.3 These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.Colter
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Pauls opinion……LOL! and then they made that scripture to Colter
Colter.Its God opinion and all his followers since time began on earth AGAINST some inspired; by nameless spirits in the 20th century.
AND YOU HAVE SWALLOWED IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER.wakup.
Hi Wakeup,
Do you mean the great 'IT IS'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,11:08) Hi Wakeup, Do you mean the great 'IT IS'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.I dont get it? it is?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 28 2012,10:13) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,09:08) Quote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:10) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,04:01) Jesus: Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
159:4.3 These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.Colter
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Pauls opinion……LOL! and then they made that scripture to Colter
Colter.Its God opinion and all his followers since time began on earth AGAINST some inspired; by nameless spirits in the 20th century.
AND YOU HAVE SWALLOWED IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER.wakup.
Wakeup,*Genesis was composed with the fragments of an ancient story about the incarnation of Adam and Eve, not the creation of this 4.5 bazillion year old planet.
* Noah's flood was an exaggeration of a local legend designed to trace Hebrew blood lines back to Adam, because they sincerely believed that Adam was first. They didn't know anything about science back then.
* Revelation is an authoritative sorting and sifting of truth from evolved religion.
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ July 28 2012,13:18) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,11:08) Hi Wakeup, Do you mean the great 'IT IS'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.I dont get it? it is?
wakeup.
Hi Colter,Please tell Wakeup about the great 'IT IS' in the UB; OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Colter @ July 28 2012,14:02) Quote (Wakeup @ July 28 2012,10:13) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,09:08) Quote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:10) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,04:01) Jesus: Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
159:4.3 These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.Colter
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Pauls opinion……LOL! and then they made that scripture to Colter
Colter.Its God opinion and all his followers since time began on earth AGAINST some inspired; by nameless spirits in the 20th century.
AND YOU HAVE SWALLOWED IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER.wakup.
Wakeup,*Genesis was composed with the fragments of an ancient story about the incarnation of Adam and Eve, not the creation of this 4.5 bazillion year old planet.
* Noah's flood was an exaggeration of a local legend designed to trace Hebrew blood lines back to Adam, because they sincerely believed that Adam was first. They didn't know anything about science back then.
* Revelation is an authoritative sorting and sifting of truth from evolved religion.
Colter
Colter.You said nobody knows what was happening back then,before Adam and Eve.
The earth was without form and void. And there was darkness upon the face of the earth.Simple as that.
You can say all those things about the Bible; but anyone can also say all negative things about the U.B. its not hard to do.
We must descern them with our minds if all are in harmony.
And I found the whole Bible in harmony.It makes sense to me.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 28 2012,16:08) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,14:02) Quote (Wakeup @ July 28 2012,10:13) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,09:08) Quote (journey42 @ July 28 2012,08:10) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,04:01) Jesus: Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,03:20) Quote (Colter @ July 28 2012,02:37) I'm not battling against Gods word
No?
159:4.3 These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.Colter
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Pauls opinion……LOL! and then they made that scripture to Colter
Colter.Its God opinion and all his followers since time began on earth AGAINST some inspired; by nameless spirits in the 20th century.
AND YOU HAVE SWALLOWED IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER.wakup.
Wakeup,*Genesis was composed with the fragments of an ancient story about the incarnation of Adam and Eve, not the creation of this 4.5 bazillion year old planet.
* Noah's flood was an exaggeration of a local legend designed to trace Hebrew blood lines back to Adam, because they sincerely believed that Adam was first. They didn't know anything about science back then.
* Revelation is an authoritative sorting and sifting of truth from evolved religion.
Colter
Colter.You said nobody knows what was happening back then,before Adam and Eve.
The earth was without form and void. And there was darkness upon the face of the earth.Simple as that.
You can say all those things about the Bible; but anyone can also say all negative things about the U.B. its not hard to do.
We must descern them with our minds if all are in harmony.
And I found the whole Bible in harmony.It makes sense to me.wakeup.
When the elite Hebrew priest were writing the OT books during the captivity they did not claim to be writing Gods word, they were simply trying to restore the flagging faith of the scattered Israelites after the devastating loss of their national identity. The Jews had lost their nation, they were once again in bondage.But how did the OT make it's way back to Jerusalem?
The Legend of Creation
(836.14) 74:8.1 The story of the creation of Urantia in six days was based on the tradition that Adam and Eve had spent just six days in their initial survey of the Garden. This circumstance lent almost sacred sanction to the time period of the week, which had been originally introduced by the Dalamatians. Adam’s spending six days inspecting the Garden and formulating preliminary plans for organization was not prearranged; it was worked out from day to day. The choosing of the seventh day for worship was wholly incidental to the facts herewith narrated.
(837.1) 74:8.2 The legend of the making of the world in six days was an afterthought, in fact, more than thirty thousand years afterwards. One feature of the narrative, the sudden appearance of the sun and moon, may have taken origin in the traditions of the onetime sudden emergence of the world from a dense space cloud of minute matter which had long obscured both sun and moon.
(837.2) 74:8.3 The story of creating Eve out of Adam’s rib is a confused condensation of the Adamic arrival and the celestial surgery connected with the interchange of living substances associated with the coming of the corporeal staff of the Planetary Prince more than four hundred and fifty thousand years previously.
(837.3) 74:8.4 The majority of the world’s peoples have been influenced by the tradition that Adam and Eve had physical forms created for them upon their arrival on Urantia. The belief in man’s having been created from clay was well-nigh universal in the Eastern Hemisphere; this tradition can be traced from the Philippine Islands around the world to Africa. And many groups accepted this story of man’s clay origin by some form of special creation in the place of the earlier beliefs in progressive creation — evolution.
(837.4) 74:8.5 Away from the influences of Dalamatia and Eden, mankind tended toward the belief in the gradual ascent of the human race. The fact of evolution is not a modern discovery; the ancients understood the slow and evolutionary character of human progress. The early Greeks had clear ideas of this despite their proximity to Mesopotamia. Although the various races of earth became sadly mixed up in their notions of evolution, nevertheless, many of the primitive tribes believed and taught that they were the descendants of various animals. Primitive peoples made a practice of selecting for their “totems” the animals of their supposed ancestry. Certain North American Indian tribes believed they originated from beavers and coyotes. Certain African tribes teach that they are descended from the hyena, a Malay tribe from the lemur, a New Guinea group from the parrot.
(837.5) 74:8.6 The Babylonians, because of immediate contact with the remnants of the civilization of the Adamites, enlarged and embellished the story of man’s creation; they taught that he had descended directly from the gods. They held to an aristocratic origin for the race which was incompatible with even the doctrine of creation out of clay.
(837.6) 74:8.7 The Old Testament account of creation dates from long after the time of Moses; he never taught the Hebrews such a distorted story. But he did present
a simple and condensed narrative of creation to the Israelites, hoping thereby to augment his appeal to worship the Creator, the Universal Father, whom he called the Lord God of Israel.(837.7) 74:8.8 In his early teachings, Moses very wisely did not attempt to go back of Adam’s time, and since Moses was the supreme teacher of the Hebrews, the stories of Adam became intimately associated with those of creation. That the earlier traditions recognized pre-Adamic civilization is clearly shown by the fact that later editors, intending to eradicate all reference to human affairs before Adam’s time, neglected to remove the telltale reference to Cain’s emigration to the “land of Nod,” where he took himself a wife.
(838.1) 74:8.9 The Hebrews had no written language in general usage for a long time after they reached Palestine. They learned the use of an alphabet from the neighboring Philistines, who were political refugees from the higher civilization of Crete. The Hebrews did little writing until about 900 B.C., and having no written language until such a late date, they had several different stories of creation in circulation, but after the Babylonian captivity they inclined more toward accepting a modified Mesopotamian version.
(838.2) 74:8.10 Jewish tradition became crystallized about Moses, and because he endeavored to trace the lineage of Abraham back to Adam, the Jews assumed that Adam was the first of all mankind. Yahweh was the creator, and since Adam was supposed to be the first man, he must have made the world just prior to making Adam. And then the tradition of Adam’s six days got woven into the story, with the result that almost a thousand years after Moses’ sojourn on earth the tradition of creation in six days was written out and subsequently credited to him.
(838.3) 74:8.11 When the Jewish priests returned to Jerusalem, they had already completed the writing of their narrative of the beginning of things. Soon they made claims that this recital was a recently discovered story of creation written by Moses. But the contemporary Hebrews of around 500 B.C. did not consider these writings to be divine revelations; they looked upon them much as later peoples regard mythological narratives.
(838.4) 74:8.12 This spurious document, reputed to be the teachings of Moses, was brought to the attention of Ptolemy, the Greek king of Egypt, who had it translated into Greek by a commission of seventy scholars for his new library at Alexandria. And so this account found its place among those writings which subsequently became a part of the later collections of the “sacred scriptures” of the Hebrew and Christian religions. And through identification with these theological systems, such concepts for a long time profoundly influenced the philosophy of many Occidental peoples.
(838.5) 74:8.13 The Christian teachers perpetuated the belief in the fiat creation of the human race, and all this led directly to the formation of the hypothesis of a onetime golden age of utopian bliss and the theory of the fall of man or superman which accounted for the nonutopian condition of society. These outlooks on life and man’s place in the universe were at best discouraging since they were predicated upon a belief in retrogression rather than progression, as well as implying a vengeful Deity, who had vented wrath upon the human race in retribution for the errors of certain onetime planetary administrators.
(838.6) 74:8.14 The “golden age” is a myth, but Eden was a fact, and the Garden civilization was actually overthrown. Adam and Eve carried on in the Garden for one hundred and seventeen years when, through the impatience of Eve and the errors of judgment of Adam, they presumed to turn aside from the ordained way, speedily bringing disaster upon themselves and ruinous retardation upon the developmental progression of all Urantia.
(838.7) 74:8.15 [Narrated by Solonia, the seraphic “voice in the Garden.”]
Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,14:36) Quote (Wakeup @ July 28 2012,13:18) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,11:08) Hi Wakeup, Do you mean the great 'IT IS'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.I dont get it? it is?
wakeup.
Hi Colter,Please tell Wakeup about the great 'IT IS' in the UB; OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Wakeup, I haven’t a clue what Ed is alluding to in the UB.“IT IS” possible that Ed pays for his net service by the letter, this limits him to short vapid questions.
Colter
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