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karmarie: Jesus himself said to the Pharisees,…”the Kingdom of God cometh not with observation (visual),…neither shall they say, Lo here or, lo there for, the Kingdom of God is within you!!!(Luke 17:21) We do not go away to the Kingdom of God nor do we see the Kingdom come from the sky. The Kingdom of God is his words/Jesus/Spirit. All the parables and teachings of Jesus were about the Kingdom of God growing from a small seed within an individual into a great powerful tree producing fruit of goodness and kindness to others. Jesus said it was for this purpose that he came to preach the Kingdom within. The Kingdom of God is you! If you accept and believe. You rule whether you use God's spirit words of goodness, kindness, peace, love and all good fruit to the hurting world, or you don't. You must take your place as the healing God of Jesus or a destroyer of mankind. Whatever you sow to the world, that also will you reap in your life. You create your life on earth in this way. Those who sow words of destruction and condemnation to others and about others will reap their own pain and suffering, sickness, disease and death in the hell they have created here on earth. Choose life and live. God bless you. TK
Quote (karmarie @ June 20 2010,21:04) Quote (theodorej @ June 20 2010,00:56) Greetings K……. Iam onboard with your accertion and the great awakening is at hand….it is just a matter of a few more awe inspiring developments before the called as well as the wise will bend their knees and bow their heads..
Hi Theodorej, I remember you! You gave me some good advice on an old thread (I was reading back on some of them) haha.So what do you make of this? I believe what I read, that the Spirit of Elijah will make many stand up in the last days, in the Great Tribulation, but, do you think it has anything to do with the two witnesses?
Greetings K….In the last days there will be a great pouring out of Gods spirit and many will be awe strucken at the amount of carnage and as a result will seek God….The Elisha to come will be shadowed by many counterfeits….The witnesses will be there for all to see….The world could conceivably view them as some sort of extra terrestrials…It is my feeling and I could be very wrong but the conditioning for just such an event is already underway with all the tacit acceptance of the extra terrestrial phenomonon….After all the clever beguiling Satan is very capable of staging just such an event….He will be given great powers to perform events in the heavens..theodorej: Am I right that you have just equaled Satan with the great outpouring of God's spirit? Only you and those like you give satan any power at all. Your recognition of satan is the power for him to be in your mind at all. Satan is a liar. Why would you let a liar be in your mind? Jesus identified Elisha to come as John the baptist if you really want to know. If you want to protect your doctrines then he is to come. If the religious people have their way of misinturpretation of the truth they will lead us all to destruction, degradation, war and death. God is life, lets live unto life and quit predicting death and destruction. God's fruit is good. Evil fruit is destructive. Lets choose life. All we have to do is choose it. Bless all, TK
Hi TK,
To produce good fruit you have to be born of God's Spirit.[Gal5]
This is not of the flesh or the will of man[Jn1.13]Hi Tim, I agree with what you said, we are judged by what we do or dont do, we also have to reap what we sow, so if we sin, there is always a consequence, sin causes seperation from God. And hurts us. To not sin and to love and believe in God brings freedom and strength in this world, despite what may happen.
(I think this is going off topic though Tim, topic is the two witnesses).
Quote (karmarie @ June 21 2010,20:08) Hi Tim, I agree with what you said, we are judged by what we do or dont do, we also have to reap what we sow, so if we sin, there is always a consequence, sin causes seperation from God. And hurts us. To not sin and to love and believe in God brings freedom and strength in this world, despite what may happen. (I think this is going off topic though Tim, topic is the two witnesses).
karmarie: Is God everywhere? Is there any place God is not? If God is everywhere how could you be separated from him? Only in your mind. Sin, as separation from God does not exist. Neither height nor depth nor anything else can separate us from the love of God! God is love! If you are not separated from the love, you are not separated from God. Sin is a lie that makes people believe that they are separated from God. It is not true! Don't believe it!!
Please note in your response you said that I said that we are judged by what we do or don't do. Please understand, we are not judged by anything we do or don't do!! We are judged by the word/Jesus of God. If Jesus says you are clean then you are clean. I had to respond here I had no other place to go.The two witnesses, John and Jesus came at the end of the world! The law, the prophets, the physical temple worship, the sacrifices, all the rituals including tithing ended when Jesus ushered in the Kingdom of God. Thats why they hated him and had him killed. The truth from Jesus destroyed the old religious order of the time.They were in darkness and sin. The new way with God within each person leaves no room for separation/sin. Sin is gone forever in Christ!! If we drop all the man made doctrines that is what you will find. God bless you, TK
Hi TK,
Yes he does not dwell in carnal men.
First you must be joined with Christ before claiming any benefitsNick: It would be my understanding that a human body without the breath/spirit of God is dead! God is all and in all. God is everywhere. God/life is within each and every human being that is alive!! There is no life aside from God. There is no aside with God. You cannot be separated from God, he is everywhere. If you take away all pre-concieved, man made doctrinal ideas, this is what is truth. Jesus whom cleanses us from wrong thinking/sin has given us the truth. If you believe you are in sin you have denied Jesus truth (John15:3) and will live without recognizing God in your life. TK
Quote (karmarie @ June 21 2010,20:17) Hi Theodore, thats different I havent heard that one before!
Greetings K….. We must never make the mistake of denying the cunning and clever nature that is satan and always to remember that God saw fit to let satan tempt Jesus face to face in the wilderness not to mention the trials of Job….Why should we be so vain as to think we cannot be fooled by this cunning and clever adversary,we must be vigilant…..I know my extra terrestrial theory is out there,but from a practical view point…..we are told that there will be wonders performed in the heavens for all to see and that the adversary will be afforded power to perform them as well as the two witnesses….what better way to foster acceptance then to embrace a phenomonon that exists in the minds of men….The witnesses will be of God but a large portion of the earths population will not realize it until they are raised up…Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 21 2010,05:28) theodorej: Am I right that you have just equaled Satan with the great outpouring of God's spirit? Only you and those like you give satan any power at all. Your recognition of satan is the power for him to be in your mind at all. Satan is a liar. Why would you let a liar be in your mind? Jesus identified Elisha to come as John the baptist if you really want to know. If you want to protect your doctrines then he is to come. If the religious people have their way of misinturpretation of the truth they will lead us all to destruction, degradation, war and death. God is life, lets live unto life and quit predicting death and destruction. God's fruit is good. Evil fruit is destructive. Lets choose life. All we have to do is choose it. Bless all, TK
Greetings Tim….It is always a pleasure….There is none equal to the power and authority of the Eternal…In the final analysis Satan will be afforded great power to deceive and destroy and at the same time God tells us there will be a great pouring out of his spirit,it is that gift which will allow us to discern what is of satan and what is of God….There is not an inkling of suggestion that the outpouring of Gods spirit is equal to the powers afforded satan…Tim…Iam not a religous man Iam a God fearing man and it is not my intention to lead or mislead…For the life of me I don't know why people pay so much attention to a liar and deceiver. I have actually heard people refer to satan as the god or ruler of this world! A deceiver is neither a god nor is a liar someone to pay attention to. The attention we pay to him is the only power a devil gets. He has no life unless you give it to him. The war in mind is for the truth of God or lies and deceptions about the truth. The accusor of the bretherin, the thief and the robber attempt to disuade you from the truth. IMO, God bless, TK
hi TK,
Do you imagine carnal man has the weapons to fight satan?Not by might nor by power but by My Spirit[Zech]
Nick: Devils are thought lies against the truth of God! What else could they be? Thoughts cross your mind and you either, ignore them, and they go away, or you pay attention to them which gives them the power to exist in your mind for a time. If you fear them you energize them in your mind until they become an obsession of sort.If you continue to contemplate and energize those thoughts that are lies they will become beliefs and defile your temple. You are what you believe! As a man thinketh in his heart so he is…(Prov.23:7) Jesus said that he speaks the words of God that are spirit and the words of God say (John 15:3) now you are clean through the words that I speak, you have two choices. Believe the truth and you are clean and sinfree or believe something maybe Paul or Peter seemed to say or any scripture counter to the truth, which would be a lie (a devil), not of the truth. We war against evil spirits/words that are contrary to the truth. Wickedness (unworthyness) in high places (preachers, religious hiearchy). This is a war for the truth. We must believe Jesus/truth of God. Pay no attention to the devils and they will not exist in your life/mind. TK
Hi TK,
Your own ideas add little to what is written.
Jesus tossed out the worldly from the temple and cleased it.
We too must become vessels cleansed by the blood of Jesus unto service[2Tim2]We are both clean by the words of Jesus. I have accepted my cleansing, you apparantly still feel the need for cleansing.
The OT produced the fruit of death, destruction, works, sacifice, ritual, sin, unworthyness, hopelessness, anger, sorrow etc.! Why would anyone want to be a part of that defunct religious world. Its end came when John the Baptist arose, using Baptism to symbolically wash their minds of that darkness, sin/error and then Jesus came to give the truth. (if the old way was truth there was no need for Jesus)
The old adage, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You can tell people they are righteous, clean and perfect through Jesus, but you can't make them believe it. They want to believe in their own works for perfection. Oh well,bless all, TK
To All,
Its so simple…. The lampstands and Olive trees (Two witnesses) are clearly identified as churches. (Followers of Christ all over the world not a building or anything). When John is first told to measure the “temple” the temple had become the Body. The body makes up all believers. Witnesses.
Two LAMPSTANDS
Revelation 1:20 “the seven lampstands are the seven churches”.
OLIVE TREES
Rom 11:17.”But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree”,
MEASURE THE TEMPLE AND ALTAR AND ALL WHO WORSHIP THERE
1 Cor 3:16, ” Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”
1 Peter 2:5, “And now God is building you, as living stones, into his spiritual temple. What's more, you are God's holy priests, who offer the spiritual sacrifices that please him because of Jesus Christ.”
Ephesians 2:19-22, “Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner[stone], in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”Quote (karmarie @ June 22 2010,21:30) To All, Its so simple…. The lampstands and Olive trees (Two witnesses) are clearly identified as churches. (Followers of Christ all over the world not a building or anything). When John is first told to measure the “temple” the temple had become the Body. The body makes up all believers. Witnesses.
Two LAMPSTANDS
Revelation 1:20 “the seven lampstands are the seven churches”.
OLIVE TREES
Rom 11:17.”But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree”,
MEASURE THE TEMPLE AND ALTAR AND ALL WHO WORSHIP THERE
1 Cor 3:17, “If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.“
1 Peter 2:5, “And now God is building you, as living stones, into his spiritual temple. What's more, you are God's holy priests, who offer the spiritual sacrifices that please him because of Jesus Christ.”
Ephesians 2:19-22, “Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner[stone], in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
We are the church. The church is the body of Christ. You can't go to church. You are the church. The building can house the churches that come but the brick and mortar buildings with a steeple are not the church of Jesus. We are the church built without hands. The church built on the solid rock of Jesus the truth. God Bless, TK
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