The truth comes out about islam

[KangarooJack]

Bodhitharta said:

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Don't blame me if the Bible is not consistent the Quran says that it has been tampered with, so which is true can you see the face of God and live or not?

TO All,
Why would bodhitharta even cite the Jewish Scriptures  on any subject seeing that he believes that the Quran says they have been corrupted? Bodhitharta cannot know from the Scriptures whether or not Jesus is God because he believes they have been corrupted. So bodhitharta should stick to arguing from the Quran.

bodhitharta also said:

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But thats Paul for you using Guile to great effect. When Jesus quotes the OT he tells you what prophet said it and how it applies Paul was not quoting a Prophet and he doesn't tell you where it came from giving the impression that “God said”

Bodhitharta said that Paul is a deceiver. Bodhitharta is an example of the kind of following that Paladin draws. Paladin denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and bodhitharta denies the Jewish Scriptures.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Does Paladin have a following ?
We value his contributions and BD has also given us much insight into the islamic deception.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:53)

Hi TT, Does Paladin have a following ? We value his contributions and BD has also given us much insight into the islamic deception.

Nick,
You're right!

thinker

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:53)

Hi TT, Does Paladin have a following ? We value his contributions and BD has also given us much insight into the islamic deception.

Why do we need inside of other religion, and how can they teach us anything when we have problems enough understanding the word of God?
Lets concentrate on what Jesus taught!

Georg

[Tim Kraft]

Georg:For what ever it is worth, I fully agree!

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Cindy @ June 29 2009,01:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:53) Hi TT, Does Paladin have a following ? We value his contributions and BD has also given us much insight into the islamic deception. Why do we need inside of other religion, and how can they teach us anything when we have problems enough understanding the word of God? Lets concentrate on what Jesus taught! Georg

Georg,
I am with Nick. Let those in error be heard. You need only to avoid bodhitharta's posts.

thinker

[Cindy]

Quote (thethinker @ June 29 2009,01:27)

Quote (Cindy @ June 29 2009,01:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:53) Hi TT, Does Paladin have a following ? We value his contributions and BD has also given us much insight into the islamic deception. Why do we need inside of other religion, and how can they teach us anything when we have problems enough understanding the word of God? Lets concentrate on what Jesus taught! Georg Georg, I am with Nick. Let those in error be heard. You need only to avoid bodhitharta's posts. thinker

thinker

You got it wrong, LETS AVOID WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

Georg

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Cindy @ June 29 2009,01:52)

Quote (thethinker @ June 29 2009,01:27) Quote (Cindy @ June 29 2009,01:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:53) Hi TT, Does Paladin have a following ? We value his contributions and BD has also given us much insight into the islamic deception. Why do we need inside of other religion, and how can they teach us anything when we have problems enough understanding the word of God? Lets concentrate on what Jesus taught! Georg Georg, I am with Nick. Let those in error be heard. You need only to avoid bodhitharta's posts. thinker thinker You got it wrong, LETS AVOID WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. Georg

Georg,
Whatever!

thinker

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ June 28 2009,21:28)

Bodhitharta said: Quote Don't blame me if the Bible is not consistent the Quran says that it has been tampered with, so which is true can you see the face of God and live or not? TO All, Why would bodhitharta even cite the Jewish Scriptures  on any subject seeing that he believes that the Quran says they have been corrupted? Bodhitharta cannot know from the Scriptures whether or not Jesus is God because he believes they have been corrupted. So bodhitharta should stick to arguing from the Quran. bodhitharta also said: Quote But thats Paul for you using Guile to great effect. When Jesus quotes the OT he tells you what prophet said it and how it applies Paul was not quoting a Prophet and he doesn't tell you where it came from giving the impression that “God said” Bodhitharta said that Paul is a deceiver. Bodhitharta is an example of the kind of following that Paladin draws. Paladin denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and bodhitharta denies the Jewish Scriptures. thinker

I love the name of your post it really is a compliment

Now lets see:

(9) Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra'ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46)

Now the Bible:

Jeremiah 8 (Young's Literal Translation)

8 How do ye say, We [are] wise, And the law of Jehovah [is] with us? Surely, lo, falsely it hath wrought, The false pen of scribes.

Matthew 5:19-21 (King James Version)

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The Bible is so great because it reveals the truth about its contents and this is how God protects the truth.

Isaiah 28:14-16 (King James Version)

14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

15Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Matthew 23:22-24 (King James Version)

23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

What does the truth of the Quran say?

(11) But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #13)

Isaiah 59:12-14 (King James Version)

12For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;

13In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

14And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

Now once again lets see:

Jeremiah 5:1-3 (King James Version)

Jeremiah 5
1Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

2And though they say, The LORD liveth; surely they swear falsely.

3O LORD, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return.

Jeremiah 5:30-31 (King James Version)

30A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

31The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Jeremiah 14:13-15 (King James Version)

14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

2 Corinthians 11:12-14 (King James Version)

12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Romans 3:6-8 (King James Version)

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

and once again the truth of the Quran

(16) The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #115)

Thanks again thinker for helping me bring out the truth of The Glorious Quran.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Cindy @ June 29 2009,01:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:53) Hi TT, Does Paladin have a following ? We value his contributions and BD has also given us much insight into the islamic deception. Why do we need inside of other religion, and how can they teach us anything when we have problems enough understanding the word of God? Lets concentrate on what Jesus taught! Georg

You have problems understanding because you don't have all the word of God. If you read the Quran you will find everything in the Bible crystal clear.

Listen there are some people who simply do what Jesus said like in the prayer.

Matthew 6

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

If you believe this prayer and follow it, it's all you need to know. even in Islam:

1 In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2 Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3 Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4 Master of the Day of Judgment.
5 Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6 Show us the straight way,
7 The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.

Either of these prayers encapsulate the complete simplicity of worship. The problem is when we get exposed to complexities and deceits that cause us confusion to this end I am here to speak with you all because I truly love you.

Imagine you are sitting there living your life with these basic prayers of Worship and praise with love in your heart and charity coming out of your hand and someone starts telling you of all “these other things”

You were doing the prayer that Christ taught you but now someone says Christ is God and before you know it God is 3 in 1 and God became a man and a word is a light and so on and so on……

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The glory of man's words?
They have no glory and they undermine the precious words of the Living God.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,06:00)

Hi BD, The glory of man's words? They have no glory and they undermine the precious words of the Living God.

The Quran is the Word of The Living God.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2009,18:15)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,06:00) Hi BD, The glory of man's words? They have no glory and they undermine the precious words of the Living God. The Quran is the Word of The Living God.

Then stick to the Quran and stop messing with the Jewish scriptures.

thinker

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ June 29 2009,19:36)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2009,18:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,06:00) Hi BD, The glory of man's words? They have no glory and they undermine the precious words of the Living God. The Quran is the Word of The Living God. Then stick to the Quran and stop messing with the Jewish scriptures. thinker

The Jewish scriptures are the word of the living God but some have tampered with it and the fact is in the Bible itself.

You don't believe the Bible when it talks about the lying pen of the scribes?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2009,10:13)

Quote (thethinker @ June 29 2009,19:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2009,18:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,06:00) Hi BD, The glory of man's words? They have no glory and they undermine the precious words of the Living God. The Quran is the Word of The Living God. Then stick to the Quran and stop messing with the Jewish scriptures. thinker The Jewish scriptures are the word of the living God but some have tampered with it and the fact is in the Bible itself. You don't believe the Bible when it talks about the lying pen of the scribes?

Thinker,

you should answer.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
You tell us that your book exposes all the mistakes and lies in ours.
But our are of God and yours are poor fare from men?

[KangarooJack]

bodhitharta said:

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If you believe the bible is infallible then you must believe Paul when he says he uses deception. Jesus doesn't use deception but Paul brags about it so according to the Bible itself Paul deceives. Don't you agree with Paul? Is Paul lying about himself?

To All,
There you have it. Bodhitharta says that Paul used deception in his writings and even bragged about it. He offers no proof for his assertions.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2009,10:53)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2009,10:13) Quote (thethinker @ June 29 2009,19:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2009,18:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,06:00) Hi BD, The glory of man's words? They have no glory and they undermine the precious words of the Living God. The Quran is the Word of The Living God. Then stick to the Quran and stop messing with the Jewish scriptures. thinker The Jewish scriptures are the word of the living God but some have tampered with it and the fact is in the Bible itself. You don't believe the Bible when it talks about the lying pen of the scribes? Thinker, you should answer.

I do not have to answer assertions without evidence. I only have to answer evidence.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

bodhitharta said:

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First Paul says: Romans 15:7-9 (King James Version) 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: Then Paul says: Galatians 6:14-16 (King James Version) 15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Then Paul says: Romans 3:1-3 (King James Version) Romans 3 1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

To All,
Why would bodhitharta cite Paul as an authority when he believes that Paul was a deceiver who even bragged about it.

bodhitharta himself said:

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If you believe the bible is infallible then you must believe Paul when he says he uses deception. Jesus doesn't use deception but Paul brags about it so according to the Bible itself Paul deceives. Don't you agree with Paul? Is Paul lying about himself?

Go figure

thinker

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ June 30 2009,10:56)

bodhitharta said: Quote If you believe the bible is infallible then you must believe Paul when he says he uses deception. Jesus doesn't use deception but Paul brags about it so according to the Bible itself Paul deceives. Don't you agree with Paul? Is Paul lying about himself? To All, There you have it. Bodhitharta says that Paul used deception in his writings and even bragged about it. He offers no proof for his assertions. thinker

2 Corinthians 12 (King James Version)

16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

Romans 3:6-8 (King James Version)

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

1 Corinthians 9 (King James Version)

19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

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