the truth about John 3;5-6

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2012,08:04)

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Pierre,

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what is the spirit of God ? that gives life

Romans 8:10
New International Version (NIV)

10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[a] because of righteousness.

Footnotes:

Romans 8:10 Or you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive

The Spirit of righteousness.

Kerwin

so what it says is that the fact that you are applying Gods words and the teachings of Christ and believe in it ;now if you die (the flesh) your spirit being in the spirit with God and his son will remain alive (soul)RIGHT ?

Pierre

Pierre,

I seemed to have misjudged the situation by giving just one verse. Here is Romans 8:10 in context. You can see it is about the old and new self and not the resurrection of the dead. Sorry for any confusion I caused by my error.

Romans 8
New International Version (NIV)

9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.

February 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm#275391

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Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2012,13:01)

My understanding of these scriptures is as follows:

When the gospel is preached to someone and the Word of God is believed in their heart, they are born of water, living water, and when the receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, they have been born again or raised from being spiritually dead to eternal life.

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1Pe 1:22 ¶ Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

942.

Does anyone babtised turn into spirit,like the wind?
Will we get our reward as soon as we are babtised with water?
What about the babtism of the spirit,is that included?

To be babtised in the spirit; takes time to know the scriptures,takes time to find God; We must seek first,then the holy spirit will come and fill us with truth.(the spirit of truth.)

wakeup.

February 1, 2012 at 11:34 pm#275491

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Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 01 2012,22:11)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2012,08:04)

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Pierre,

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what is the spirit of God ? that gives life

Romans 8:10
New International Version (NIV)

10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[a] because of righteousness.

Footnotes:

Romans 8:10 Or you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive

The Spirit of righteousness.

Kerwin

Pierre

Pierre,

Romans 8
New International Version (NIV)

Kerwin

thanks ,but you did not answer my question'

so please do

Pierre

February 2, 2012 at 4:23 am#275545

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2012,06:44)

wakeup

there is more to it than what i have just said,but if you understand this ,I am sure that you also will understand many other thing in scriptures that now are making sense,looked trough the spirit not seen trough the flesh,

Pierre

Pierre.

CAN YOU ENTER IN TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD IN YOUR FLESH BODY NOW? NO.

JESUS SAID NO..yOU MUST CHANGE INTO A SPIRIT BODY.
WE ARE STILL FLESH,WITH THE WORD OF GOD IN US,WE ARE BEGOTTEN OF GOD.

WE CAN ONLY ENTER THE KINGDOM IN A SPIRIT BODY.WE CAN GO TO HEAVEN IN A SPIRIT BODY ONLY.

JESUS COULD NOT GO TO HEAVEN BEFORE HIS RESURECTION,BUT AFTER HE WAS CHANGED.

HOW, AND WHEN? WHEN WE COME OUT OF THE WOMB OF ZION(RESURECTION).

wakeup.

February 2, 2012 at 4:44 am#275552

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2012,21:23)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2012,06:44)

wakeup

Pierre

Pierre.

CAN YOU ENTER IN TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD IN YOUR FLESH BODY NOW? NO.

JESUS SAID NO..yOU MUST CHANGE INTO A SPIRIT BODY.
WE ARE STILL FLESH,WITH THE WORD OF GOD IN US,WE ARE BEGOTTEN OF GOD.

WE CAN ONLY ENTER THE KINGDOM IN A SPIRIT BODY.WE CAN GO TO HEAVEN IN A SPIRIT BODY ONLY.

JESUS COULD NOT GO TO HEAVEN BEFORE HIS RESURECTION,BUT AFTER HE WAS CHANGED.

HOW, AND WHEN? WHEN WE COME OUT OF THE WOMB OF ZION(RESURECTION).

wakeup.

Wake up

First I do not believe that we all are destin for heaven only 144k are redeemed from the earth,

Those are going to becom spirits being like Christ ,but for all the others we will be on earth and receiving the blessing of the kingdom of Christ
The heaven belong to God the earth God as given that to men,no were in the bible it says that we all being traveling to heaven,

So there would be two first resurrection one for heaven and one for the earth,the first receiving a spiritual body and the other a flesh body to live on earth,

The second resurrection also is a resurrection in the flesh on earth for the judgement ,last and final resurrection,before the last enemy is towed in the lake of fire,

Pierre

February 2, 2012 at 5:46 am#275558

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PIERRE

YOU SHALL INHERRIT ALL THINGS.REV21:7
JESUS SAID; YOU WILL BE AS THE ANGELS.MAT 22:30.
THE FLESHLY KINGDOM IS ONLY FOR THE REMNANT OF THE JEWS.

wakeup.

February 2, 2012 at 6:14 am#275562

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2012,04:34)

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 01 2012,22:11)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2012,08:04)

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 01 2012,19:35)

Pierre,

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what is the spirit of God ? that gives life

Romans 8:10
New International Version (NIV)

10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[a] because of righteousness.

Footnotes:

Romans 8:10 Or you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive

The Spirit of righteousness.

Kerwin

Pierre

Pierre,

Romans 8
New International Version (NIV)

Kerwin

thanks ,but you did not answer my question'

so please do

Pierre

Pierre,

I do not believe as you or wakeup do about the resurrection being into a body composed of spirit. I do believe the soul and spirit are composed of spirit.

I am convinced that the resurrected body is a flesh body. It is not the flesh of this corrupt world; but instead the flesh that comes from above.

John 3:5-6 is not about that but about “the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit” just as Titus 3:5 states.

February 2, 2012 at 6:17 am#275564

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2012,10:46)

PIERRE

YOU SHALL INHERRIT ALL THINGS.REV21:7
JESUS SAID; YOU WILL BE AS THE ANGELS.MAT 22:30.
THE FLESHLY KINGDOM IS ONLY FOR THE REMNANT OF THE JEWS.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

Be careful not to take passages out of context.

February 2, 2012 at 6:27 am#275566

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2012,22:46)

PIERRE

YOU SHALL INHERRIT ALL THINGS.REV21:7
JESUS SAID; YOU WILL BE AS THE ANGELS.MAT 22:30.
THE FLESHLY KINGDOM IS ONLY FOR THE REMNANT OF THE JEWS.

wakeup.

Wakeup

Show your full scriptures ,and spell it out truthfully,

And see if you speak the truth,

I be waiting

Pierre

February 2, 2012 at 7:25 am#275574

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Pierre.

Mat.22.

verse 29. ye do err,NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES,NOR THE POWER OF GOD.

VERSE.30. FOR IN THE RESURECTIONT HEY NEITHER MARRY,NOR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

REV22:7. –HE– THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL INHERIT—ALL—THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD,AND HE SHALL BE MY SON.

ye do err indeed, not knowing the scriptures.

wakeup.

February 3, 2012 at 11:00 pm#275767

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2012,12:25)

Pierre.

Mat.22.

verse 29. ye do err,NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES,NOR THE POWER OF GOD.

VERSE.30. FOR IN THE RESURECTIONT HEY NEITHER MARRY,NOR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

REV22:7. –HE– THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL INHERIT—ALL—THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD,AND HE SHALL BE MY SON.

ye do err indeed, not knowing the scriptures.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

None of those support your conclusion.

February 4, 2012 at 2:19 pm#275850

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Pierre.

Mat.22.

verse 29. ye do err,NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES,NOR THE POWER OF GOD.

VERSE.30. FOR IN THE RESURECTIONT HEY NEITHER MARRY,NOR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

REV22:7. –HE– THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL INHERIT—ALL—THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD,AND HE SHALL BE MY SON.

ye do err indeed, not knowing the scriptures.

wakeup.

Wakeup,

None of those support your conclusion.

Hi kerwin.

Can you at least tell me why not?

wakeup.

February 5, 2012 at 12:22 am#275946

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Wakeup,

Pierre stated:

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First I do not believe that we all are destined for heaven only 144k are redeemed from the earth,

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Mat.22.

verse 29. ye do err,NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES,NOR THE POWER OF GOD.

VERSE.30. FOR IN THE RESURECTIONT HEY NEITHER MARRY,NOR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

REV22:7. –HE– THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL INHERIT—ALL—THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD,AND HE SHALL BE MY SON.

ye do err indeed, not knowing the scriptures.

You conclusion that the resurrection body of all is spirit.

Matthew 22:29-30 is speaking of the Saducees lack of correct understanding of scripture. Jesus answer was about marriage even to explicitly mentioning marry and marriage in it.

Revelations 21:7 by itself is vague as it does not mention what group of all things will be inherited. Verse 1 states “a new heaven and a new earth,”.

Those two passages prove that after the resurrection; believers, like angels, will not marry or be given in marriage and that believers will inherit the new heaven and a new earth.

February 5, 2012 at 1:20 am#275961

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Wakeup,

Pierre stated:

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First I do not believe that we all are destined for heaven only 144k are redeemed from the earth,

Your counter:

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Mat.22.

verse 29. ye do err,NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES,NOR THE POWER OF GOD.

VERSE.30. FOR IN THE RESURECTIONT HEY NEITHER MARRY,NOR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

REV22:7. –HE– THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL INHERIT—ALL—THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD,AND HE SHALL BE MY SON.

ye do err indeed, not knowing the scriptures.

You conclusion that the resurrection body of all is spirit.

Matthew 22:29-30 is speaking of the Saducees lack of correct understanding of scripture. Jesus answer was about marriage even to explicitly mentioning marry and marriage in it.

Revelations 21:7 by itself is vague as it does not mention what group of all things will be inherited. Verse 1 states “a new heaven and a new earth,”.

Those two passages prove that after the resurrection; believers, like angels, will not marry or be given in marriage and that believers will inherit the new heaven and a new earth.

Kerwin.

That is exacly what i am saying: we will be as the angels and we shall inherrit all: Georege obviously was only thinking about the 1000yrs reign that the is raelites will be in the flesh till the 1000yrs is up they also will be made spirit,and all will be spirit. This will be after Gog and magog.

We all will be as the angels.

wakkeup.

February 5, 2012 at 1:56 am#275965

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2012,00:25)

Pierre.

Mat.22.

verse 29. ye do err,NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES,NOR THE POWER OF GOD.

VERSE.30. FOR IN THE RESURECTIONT HEY NEITHER MARRY,NOR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

REV22:7. –HE– THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL INHERIT—ALL—THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD,AND HE SHALL BE MY SON.

ye do err indeed, not knowing the scriptures.

wakeup.

wakeup
this was my inquiring;
First I do not believe that we all are destined for heaven only 144k are redeemed from the earth,
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Mt 22:28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”
Mt 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Mt 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Rev 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.”

NOW IN THOSE SCRIPTURES WERE DOES IT SAY ;YOUR VINDICATION???

but here are the my scriptures;

Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
LK 12:32 “ Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.(144k)
Heb 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.

HEB 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

all other believers;

JN 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone (144k). I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you..
Phil 3:16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

Pierre

February 5, 2012 at 3:12 am#275977

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Thank you Pierre for your explanation.

At the coming,the first friuts(144000) wil meet the lord in the air,for they are special.

The rest of the christians must go through the fire(trib.) first,because they are not perfect before the lord,but they also will be resurrected,in the spirit after the tribulation.
This is the first resurection,we need to labour for this.

All the remnant of ISRAEL ONLY,,that has been RESURVED by God,from all the generations, will be revived(brought back) in
the flesh,and will be the population of the flesh kingdom(paradise to them) but as for the resrrected saints;they will inherit the kingdom of God,and will teach the israelites.

And they also will teach all the remnant of the gentiles(outside the kingdom) that have survived the shaking of the earth,they also,will teach other remnants of the gentiles.children will be born ,and they also will multiply.

Unfortunately; there will be many of the gentiles that still will not follow the teachings,and go their own way.
God give them a 1000yrs,and after that satan will be let loose,and start to decieve them,and gather them in one place,to attac the peacefull camp of the saint.
And they all, and satan will be destroyed.(all bad gone now).

But there are still many in the graves from time past; they will also be resurected (all nations and all kinds of religions)and judged by the books; this is the second resurection;

This is the sheeps and the goats.
The sheep will be accepted and the goats cast in the lake of fire. Now all bad are gone, but the earth itself is still polutted,must be purified.This is when the earth will melt and the heavens also.

Now we have a new heaven and a new earth.
Now heavenly jerusalem(Gods tabernacles) will come down to earth, and God will also come down to earth(heaven on earth).Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
We can see God face to face.

wakeup.

February 5, 2012 at 5:42 pm#276041

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Thank you Pierre for your explanation.

At the coming,the first friuts(144000) wil meet the lord in the air,for they are special.

But there are still many in the graves from time past; they will also be resurected (all nations and all kinds of religions)and judged by the books; this is the second resurection;

wakeup.

wakeup

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this is a false believe ;all believers are going through the same experience ,IT SAYS NO ONE COME TO GOD BUT THROUGH ME (CHRIST) AND THE 144K ARE CHOSEN TO BE THE FIRST FRUITS,

ALL OTHERS ARE ATTRACTED TO GOD AND BY GOD,THIS IS WHAT CHRIST DOES THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL,

WE ARE THE GREAT CROWED .

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THIS IS ALSO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PUT SCRIPTURES ON ,SO I CAN LEARN IT ,OK.

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ANY SCRIPTURES FOR THIS

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ANY SCRIPTURES FOR THIS ?

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But there are still many in the graves from time past; they will also be resurected (all nations and all kinds of religions)and judged by the books; this is the second resurection;

THIS IS A MIX UP OF TIME AND SCRIPTURES ,IF NOT SHOW ME IN SCRIPTURES ,

so i am looking forward to see your scriptures

Pierre

February 6, 2012 at 12:48 am#276094

Marlin1

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Jesus simply explained; you come out of flesh you are flesh: you come out of spirit you are spirit. Not spirit dwelling in the flesh, but spirit; Like the angels,they are spirit made creatures.(invisible to our eyes.). a spirit body can walk through walls. A BORN AGAIN christian can not walk through walls.tHIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.

WAKEUP.

Wakeup,

Jesus said, if you are not born again by the Spirit, you will never get to heaven, weather it be here or in another place.
So you have to be born again here while you are on this earth as a man.
Do you believe that?

God Bless
Marlin

February 6, 2012 at 8:29 am#276140

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Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2012,10:22)

Wakeup,

Pierre stated:

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First I do not believe that we all are destined for heaven only 144k are redeemed from the earth,

Your counter:

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Mat.22.

verse 29. ye do err,NOT KNOWING THE SCRIPTURES,NOR THE POWER OF GOD.

VERSE.30. FOR IN THE RESURECTIONT HEY NEITHER MARRY,NOR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.

REV22:7. –HE– THAT OVERCOMETH SHALL INHERIT—ALL—THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD,AND HE SHALL BE MY SON.

ye do err indeed, not knowing the scriptures.

You conclusion that the resurrection body of all is spirit.

Matthew 22:29-30 is speaking of the Saducees lack of correct understanding of scripture. Jesus answer was about marriage even to explicitly mentioning marry and marriage in it.

Revelations 21:7 by itself is vague as it does not mention what group of all things will be inherited. Verse 1 states “a new heaven and a new earth,”.

Those two passages prove that after the resurrection; believers, like angels, will not marry or be given in marriage and that believers will inherit the new heaven and a new earth.

Kirwin.

For in the ==RESURECTION==

= HE= THAT OVECOMETH SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS.

=== DOES THIS ONLY APPLY TO THE SADUCEES?===

wakeup.

February 6, 2012 at 9:36 pm#276189