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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2012,15:28) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2012,06:44) wakeup there is more to it than what i have just said,but if you understand this ,I am sure that you also will understand many other thing in scriptures that now are making sense,looked trough the spirit not seen trough the flesh,
Pierre
Hi Pierre.You are mixing the two meanings and put it in one basket.
If we follow Christs commandments and live according to scripture,we are not born again yet; but we are CONFORMED; FROM BABYLONS WAY OF THINKING TO GODS WAY OF THINGKING. We have come out of babylon (Satans citie) and entered into zion.(Gods citie),where there is peace,and righteousness.
We have the renewing of our mind,we think like christ;love your enemies,Give your right cheek, etc.
But no one is perfect yet,to be born again; untill CHrist comes with his reward,to give it to us.His mercy will blot out our sins,and make us perfect.
We can not claim our reward now,not untill his coming.We can not be born again now; we are not perfect.We are only begotten of God. God has claimed us as his own.
When we are born of our spirit mother; Zion, we will be given a spirit body.( born of the spirit is spirit.)
ISIAH 66:7. Before she (zion) travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came she was delivered a man child,(jesus came to earth.).(born without pains)
VERSE 8. Who had heard such a thing? who had seen such a thing? Shall the earth be made to bring forth IN ONE DAY? Or shall a NATION BE BORN AT ONCE? FOR AS SOON AS ZION TRAVAILED(labour pains:tribulation), SHE BROUGHT FORTH HER CHILDREN. This is the resurection of zions children; A nation will be born in one day;born out of Zion, born in a spirit
body.Because you have never seen it this way; you say it a big lie.
greetings.wakeup.
wakeup
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2012,09:40) Pierre, Luke 3:16 teaches us that John the Baptist’s immersion was a water baptism. Matthew 3:11 states that it is with water for repentance. The fruit of repentance is new spirit and so a clear conscious before God. Jesus merely used different words to express the same ideas that John was teaching. Why would you question as those that were immersed in water by John and walked by a new more righteous spirit were reborn in water and spirit?
Neither John the Baptist or the followers of Jesus immersed anyone in the Saintly Spirit as did not come until Jesus returned to his Father and our Father.
John the Baptist prepared the way by teaching of the coming of the Anointed and calling for the people to get a spirit that seeks God and his kingdom. With such a spirit they would also follow Jesus.
Hi Kerwin.Was the conversation with nicodemus about babtism or about being born again?Coming out of the mothers belly agan?
Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2012,05:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2012,09:40) Pierre, Luke 3:16 teaches us that John the Baptist’s immersion was a water baptism. Matthew 3:11 states that it is with water for repentance. The fruit of repentance is new spirit and so a clear conscious before God. Jesus merely used different words to express the same ideas that John was teaching. Why would you question as those that were immersed in water by John and walked by a new more righteous spirit were reborn in water and spirit?
Neither John the Baptist or the followers of Jesus immersed anyone in the Saintly Spirit as did not come until Jesus returned to his Father and our Father.
John the Baptist prepared the way by teaching of the coming of the Anointed and calling for the people to get a spirit that seeks God and his kingdom. With such a spirit they would also follow Jesus.
Hi Kerwin.Was the conversation with nicodemus about babtism or about being born again?Coming out of the mothers belly agan?
Wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus chose to use symbolic language(born) to teach Nicodemus that you must be immersed in water for the forgiveness of your sins. John the Baptist taught the same lesson.
Mark 1:4
New International Version (NIV)4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Luke 3:3
New International Version (NIV)3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,04:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2012,05:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2012,09:40) Pierre, Luke 3:16 teaches us that John the Baptist’s immersion was a water baptism. Matthew 3:11 states that it is with water for repentance. The fruit of repentance is new spirit and so a clear conscious before God. Jesus merely used different words to express the same ideas that John was teaching. Why would you question as those that were immersed in water by John and walked by a new more righteous spirit were reborn in water and spirit?
Neither John the Baptist or the followers of Jesus immersed anyone in the Saintly Spirit as did not come until Jesus returned to his Father and our Father.
John the Baptist prepared the way by teaching of the coming of the Anointed and calling for the people to get a spirit that seeks God and his kingdom. With such a spirit they would also follow Jesus.
Hi Kerwin.Was the conversation with nicodemus about babtism or about being born again?Coming out of the mothers belly agan?
Wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus chose to use symbolic language(born) to teach Nicodemus that you must be immersed in water for the forgiveness of your sins. John the Baptist taught the same lesson.
Mark 1:4
New International Version (NIV)4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Luke 3:3
New International Version (NIV)3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Hi Kerwin.I am not disputing babtism it self; but the topic of the conversation.
The topic was not about babtism;but about being reborn.
Jesus simply explained; you come out of flesh you are flesh: you come out of spirit you are spirit. Not spirit dwelling in the flesh, but spirit; Like the angels,they are spirit made creatures.(invisible to our eyes.). a spirit body can walk through walls. A BORN AGAIN christian can not walk through walls.tHIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.WAKEUP.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2012,05:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,04:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2012,05:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2012,09:40) Pierre, Luke 3:16 teaches us that John the Baptist’s immersion was a water baptism. Matthew 3:11 states that it is with water for repentance. The fruit of repentance is new spirit and so a clear conscious before God. Jesus merely used different words to express the same ideas that John was teaching. Why would you question as those that were immersed in water by John and walked by a new more righteous spirit were reborn in water and spirit?
Neither John the Baptist or the followers of Jesus immersed anyone in the Saintly Spirit as did not come until Jesus returned to his Father and our Father.
John the Baptist prepared the way by teaching of the coming of the Anointed and calling for the people to get a spirit that seeks God and his kingdom. With such a spirit they would also follow Jesus.
Hi Kerwin.Was the conversation with nicodemus about babtism or about being born again?Coming out of the mothers belly agan?
Wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus chose to use symbolic language(born) to teach Nicodemus that you must be immersed in water for the forgiveness of your sins. John the Baptist taught the same lesson.
Mark 1:4
New International Version (NIV)4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Luke 3:3
New International Version (NIV)3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Hi Kerwin.I am not disputing babtism it self; but the topic of the conversation.
The topic was not about babtism;but about being reborn.
Jesus simply explained; you come out of flesh you are flesh: you come out of spirit you are spirit. Not spirit dwelling in the flesh, but spirit; Like the angels,they are spirit made creatures.(invisible to our eyes.). a spirit body can walk through walls. A BORN AGAIN christian can not walk through walls.tHIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.WAKEUP.
wakeup.
Wakeup,It sounds like we are using different definitions of the word “spirit” as I was speaking of the spiritual part of a person that guides their conduct.
My understanding of these scriptures is as follows:
When the gospel is preached to someone and the Word of God is believed in their heart, they are born of water, living water, and when the receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, they have been born again or raised from being spiritually dead to eternal life.
Quote 1Pe 1:22 ¶ Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently: 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Quote Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2012,20:01) My understanding of these scriptures is as follows: When the gospel is preached to someone and the Word of God is believed in their heart, they are born of water, living water, and when the receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, they have been born again or raised from being spiritually dead to eternal life.
Quote 1Pe 1:22 ¶ Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently: 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Quote Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyright you are ,we are in agreement
Pierre
Marty and Pierre,
Interesting!
I would say the spirit of God is the living water Jesus speaks of when teaching the Samaritan woman because it is the result of reading and putting in effect scripture. Additionally God is said to be the spring of living water in Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13.
John 7:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[a]
Footnotes:a) John 7:38 Or me. And let anyone drink who believes in me.” As Scripture has said, “Out of him (or them) will flow rivers of living water.”
Jeremiah 2:13
New International Version (NIV)13 “My people have committed two sins:
They have forsaken me,
the spring of living water,
and have dug their own cisterns,
broken cisterns that cannot hold water.Jeremiah 17:13
New International Version (NIV)13 LORD, you are the hope of Israel;
all who forsake you will be put to shame.
Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust
because they have forsaken the LORD,
the spring of living water.Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,12:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 29 2012,05:07) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,04:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 28 2012,05:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2012,09:40) Pierre, Luke 3:16 teaches us that John the Baptist’s immersion was a water baptism. Matthew 3:11 states that it is with water for repentance. The fruit of repentance is new spirit and so a clear conscious before God. Jesus merely used different words to express the same ideas that John was teaching. Why would you question as those that were immersed in water by John and walked by a new more righteous spirit were reborn in water and spirit?
Neither John the Baptist or the followers of Jesus immersed anyone in the Saintly Spirit as did not come until Jesus returned to his Father and our Father.
John the Baptist prepared the way by teaching of the coming of the Anointed and calling for the people to get a spirit that seeks God and his kingdom. With such a spirit they would also follow Jesus.
Hi Kerwin.Was the conversation with nicodemus about babtism or about being born again?Coming out of the mothers belly agan?
Wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus chose to use symbolic language(born) to teach Nicodemus that you must be immersed in water for the forgiveness of your sins. John the Baptist taught the same lesson.
Mark 1:4
New International Version (NIV)4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Luke 3:3
New International Version (NIV)3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Hi Kerwin.I am not disputing babtism it self; but the topic of the conversation.
The topic was not about babtism;but about being reborn.
Jesus simply explained; you come out of flesh you are flesh: you come out of spirit you are spirit. Not spirit dwelling in the flesh, but spirit; Like the angels,they are spirit made creatures.(invisible to our eyes.). a spirit body can walk through walls. A BORN AGAIN christian can not walk through walls.tHIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.WAKEUP.
wakeup.
Wakeup,It sounds like we are using different definitions of the word “spirit” as I was speaking of the spiritual part of a person that guides their conduct.
Yes Kerwin.I think you are still not too clear; the difference between spirit and spirit.
Not only you but many others.
If the spirit of God dwells in you,it is an invisible force;power,
A force of righteousness and holiness, and God fearing,and love. This does not mean that we are God.The holy spirit is the spirit of truth,he has no body,he is a foce,But God could Give him a body if he so wish.We say, him, because we respect him,There is power in the spirit of truth,because he can set you free,and bring you to God.and God controls this spirit also,he can give him to whomsoever he chooses.
There is an other spirit,and that is a creature, that consist of a different substance; a spirit substance, like the angels, with a character, a mind,a personality,an individual.Some shines brighter than others.
Lucifer was created full of wisdom,these creatures have wisdom, but satans is now corrupted.If one is born again,he is transformed from one substance to another substance. From flesh to spirit.
A spirit body can translate into the flesh,but not the
flesh body into spirit,unless resurrected.wakeup.
Hi Wake-up,
Are you trying to suggest that the HolySpirit (according to you)
is someone or something other than God? (if so please explain?)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWakeup,
I have some trouble understanding your post. That may be because we differ on some basic understandings.
A human being has two essential parts. The first part is the flesh which comes from the ground and the second part is the spiritual which comes from heaven. The spiritual side is called spirit and gives life to the flesh side. That is one of several definitions of spirit.
Just as the flesh side is composed of many parts the spirit side is as well. The part of a human being that guides his conduct is also called spirit. Proverbs 16:18 is an example of this definition of spirit as it warns the reader not to be guided by an arrogant spirit.
A third definition is a being that has only a spiritual side and no flesh side. The souls that reside in Sheol (Hades) awaiting judgment is and example of this definition.
A fourth definition is a citizen of the heavenly realms such as an angel or demon.
The Saintly Spirit is the part of God that guides his conduct. He is also the creative force of God.
Quote If the spirit of God dwells in you,it is an invisible force;power, A force of righteousness and holiness, and God fearing,and love. This does not mean that we are God. I see nothing I disagree with in these word as those that follow the Spirit of God within them will not sin even though tempted as common to man. Such an individual is fully mature in Christ.
Quote The holy spirit is the spirit of truth,he has no body,he is a foce,But God could Give him a body if he so wish.We say, him, because we respect him,There is power in the spirit of truth,because he can set you free,and bring you to God.and God controls this spirit also,he can give him to whomsoever he chooses. This is unclear as you have a few ideas mixed up in each other. I will try to separate them. I apologize if I err.
1) God cannot be tempted by evil or do it and so will not commit an action that is sinful. The Saintly Spirit is only part of the person of God and not the whole. Since it is not the whole spiritual side it would merely animate the flesh side much as the Mars rovers are animated by man.
2) The Saintly Spirit is at the least the part of God that guides his conduct, God’s chief messenger, and his creative force.
3) I have heard that the Hebrew word for spirit is feminine. This did not seem a critical issue to the disciples of Jesus Anointed.
4) The Saintly spirit sets you free from the compulsion to sin by employing the power of God to train, teach, correct, and rebuke your spirit.
5) God gives the Saintly Spirit to those he has foreseen and then created to receive him.
Quote There is an other spirit,and that is a creature, that consist of a different substance; a spirit substance, like the angels, with a character, a mind,a personality,an individual.Some shines brighter than others. Lucifer was created full of wisdom, these creatures have wisdom, but satans is now corrupted. I believe you are speaking of the third definition.
Quote If one is born again,he is transformed from one substance to another substance. From flesh to spirit. A spirit body can translate into the flesh,but not the flesh body into spirit,unless resurrected. I disagree as being born again speaks of the renewal of spirit, Titus 3:5.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,23:40) Marty and Pierre, Interesting!
I would say the spirit of God is the living water Jesus speaks of when teaching the Samaritan woman because it is the result of reading and putting in effect scripture. Additionally God is said to be the spring of living water in Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13.
John 7:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[a]
Footnotes:a) John 7:38 Or me. And let anyone drink who believes in me.” As Scripture has said, “Out of him (or them) will flow rivers of living water.”
Jeremiah 2:13
New International Version (NIV)13 “My people have committed two sins:
They have forsaken me,
the spring of living water,
and have dug their own cisterns,
broken cisterns that cannot hold water.Jeremiah 17:13
New International Version (NIV)13 LORD, you are the hope of Israel;
all who forsake you will be put to shame.
Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust
because they have forsaken the LORD,
the spring of living water.
kerwinyour first sentence say s it very clearly ,
and the scriptures you are quoting are correctly backing up that sentence
I do not understand your next quote
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,00:35) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,23:40) Marty and Pierre, Interesting!
I would say the spirit of God is the living water Jesus speaks of when teaching the Samaritan woman because it is the result of reading and putting in effect scripture. Additionally God is said to be the spring of living water in Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13.
John 7:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[a]
Footnotes:a) John 7:38 Or me. And let anyone drink who believes in me.” As Scripture has said, “Out of him (or them) will flow rivers of living water.”
Jeremiah 2:13
New International Version (NIV)13 “My people have committed two sins:
They have forsaken me,
the spring of living water,
and have dug their own cisterns,
broken cisterns that cannot hold water.Jeremiah 17:13
New International Version (NIV)13 LORD, you are the hope of Israel;
all who forsake you will be put to shame.
Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust
because they have forsaken the LORD,
the spring of living water.
kerwinyour first sentence say s it very clearly ,
and the scriptures you are quoting are correctly backing up that sentence
I do not understand your next quote
Pierre
Pierre,My second sentence is just introducing additional witnesses from scripture.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2012,17:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,00:35) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,23:40) Marty and Pierre, Interesting!
I would say the spirit of God is the living water Jesus speaks of when teaching the Samaritan woman because it is the result of reading and putting in effect scripture. Additionally God is said to be the spring of living water in Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13.
John 7:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[a]
Footnotes:a) John 7:38 Or me. And let anyone drink who believes in me.” As Scripture has said, “Out of him (or them) will flow rivers of living water.”
Jeremiah 2:13
New International Version (NIV)13 “My people have committed two sins:
They have forsaken me,
the spring of living water,
and have dug their own cisterns,
broken cisterns that cannot hold water.Jeremiah 17:13
New International Version (NIV)13 LORD, you are the hope of Israel;
all who forsake you will be put to shame.
Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust
because they have forsaken the LORD,
the spring of living water.
kerwinyour first sentence say s it very clearly ,
and the scriptures you are quoting are correctly backing up that sentence
I do not understand your next quote
Pierre
Pierre,My second sentence is just introducing additional witnesses from scripture.
Quote I would say the spirit of God is the living water Jesus speaks of when teaching the Samaritan woman because it is the result of reading and putting in effect scripture. Additionally God is said to be the spring of living water in Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13. kerwin
the water would be the scriptures ,right ??
the spirit of God would be the understanding behind the word of God right ??
and the” spring” means the SOURCE right ??
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,08:35) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2012,17:21) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 30 2012,00:35) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 29 2012,23:40) Marty and Pierre, Interesting!
I would say the spirit of God is the living water Jesus speaks of when teaching the Samaritan woman because it is the result of reading and putting in effect scripture. Additionally God is said to be the spring of living water in Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13.
John 7:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[a]
Footnotes:a) John 7:38 Or me. And let anyone drink who believes in me.” As Scripture has said, “Out of him (or them) will flow rivers of living water.”
Jeremiah 2:13
New International Version (NIV)13 “My people have committed two sins:
They have forsaken me,
the spring of living water,
and have dug their own cisterns,
broken cisterns that cannot hold water.Jeremiah 17:13
New International Version (NIV)13 LORD, you are the hope of Israel;
all who forsake you will be put to shame.
Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust
because they have forsaken the LORD,
the spring of living water.
kerwinyour first sentence say s it very clearly ,
and the scriptures you are quoting are correctly backing up that sentence
I do not understand your next quote
Pierre
Pierre,My second sentence is just introducing additional witnesses from scripture.
Quote I would say the spirit of God is the living water Jesus speaks of when teaching the Samaritan woman because it is the result of reading and putting in effect scripture. Additionally God is said to be the spring of living water in Jeremiah 2:13 and 17:13. kerwin
the water would be the scriptures ,right ??
the spirit of God would be the understanding behind the word of God right ??
and the” spring” means the SOURCE right ??
Pierre
Pierre,It is not the word as you must believe in the word before the spring of living water will flow through you.
It is the Spirit of God through which both Jesus and God come to live in us.
That is why God calls himself the spring of living water.
Remember that Jesus rebuked the scribes for studying scripture and yet not coming to him. They had the word but not the spring of living water because they did not believe.
John 5
New International Version (NIV)39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
c. John 5:39 Or Study
God is the source(spring) but the Spirit of God is life.
Romans 8:2
New International Version (NIV)2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Footnotes:a) Romans 8:2 The Greek is singular; some manuscripts me
Kerwin
Quote Pierre, It is not the word as you must believe in the word before the spring of living water will flow through you.
It is the Spirit of God through which both Jesus and God come to live in us.
That is why God calls himself the spring of living water.
Remember that Jesus rebuked the scribes for studying scripture and yet not coming to him. They had the word but not the spring of living water because they did not believe.
John 5
New International Version (NIV)39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
c. John 5:39 Or Study
God is the source(spring) but the Spirit of God is life.
Romans 8:2
New International Version (NIV)2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Footnotes:a) Romans 8:2 The Greek is singular; some manuscripts me
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Your Fellow Student,Kerwin
this answer is so vague that only an interpretation of the one that as written it can make sens of it ;
so what does it mean;1)It is not the word as you must believe in the word before the spring of living water will flow through you.
2)It is the Spirit of God through which both Jesus and God come to live in us.
3)That is why God calls himself the spring of living water.
4)God is the source(spring) but the Spirit of God is life.5)Romans 8:2
New International Version (NIV)2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Footnotes:try to use words or scriptures that make people understand clearly what you mean,so that we know that what you say is clear to you,and not foggy,
Jn 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
Jn 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.Jesus does not say that it is wrong to study the scriptures,what was wrong with them they believed that it was trough the study of the scriptures that someone can be saved,but Christ told them that those scriptures were telling them about the messiah to come and now that he is there they refuse to go to him and receive life ,
without the knowledge it is true we would not know God and his son Jesus Christ ,and so have life,
but the religious leaders in there mind were thinking ,because they were the educated ones in the scriptures the rest of the folks were pure sinners,
many time Jesus rebuke them on this attitude and way of thinking.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2012,03:45) Kerwin Quote Pierre, It is not the word as you must believe in the word before the spring of living water will flow through you.
It is the Spirit of God through which both Jesus and God come to live in us.
That is why God calls himself the spring of living water.
Remember that Jesus rebuked the scribes for studying scripture and yet not coming to him. They had the word but not the spring of living water because they did not believe.
John 5
New International Version (NIV)39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
c. John 5:39 Or Study
God is the source(spring) but the Spirit of God is life.
Romans 8:2
New International Version (NIV)2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Footnotes:a) Romans 8:2 The Greek is singular; some manuscripts me
————–
Your Fellow Student,Kerwin
this answer is so vague that only an interpretation of the one that as written it can make sens of it ;
so what does it mean;1)It is not the word as you must believe in the word before the spring of living water will flow through you.
2)It is the Spirit of God through which both Jesus and God come to live in us.
3)That is why God calls himself the spring of living water.
4)God is the source(spring) but the Spirit of God is life.5)Romans 8:2
New International Version (NIV)2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Footnotes:try to use words or scriptures that make people understand clearly what you mean,so that we know that what you say is clear to you,and not foggy,
Jn 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
Jn 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.Jesus does not say that it is wrong to study the scriptures,what was wrong with them they believed that it was trough the study of the scriptures that someone can be saved,but Christ told them that those scriptures were telling them about the messiah to come and now that he is there they refuse to go to him and receive life ,
without the knowledge it is true we would not know God and his son Jesus Christ ,and so have life,
but the religious leaders in there mind were thinking ,because they were the educated ones in the scriptures the rest of the folks were pure sinners,
many time Jesus rebuke them on this attitude and way of thinking.
Pierre
Pierre,It is the Spirit of God that gives life and not the Word.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 31 2012,18:43) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2012,03:45) Kerwin Quote Pierre, It is not the word as you must believe in the word before the spring of living water will flow through you.
It is the Spirit of God through which both Jesus and God come to live in us.
That is why God calls himself the spring of living water.
Remember that Jesus rebuked the scribes for studying scripture and yet not coming to him. They had the word but not the spring of living water because they did not believe.
John 5
New International Version (NIV)39 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
c. John 5:39 Or Study
God is the source(spring) but the Spirit of God is life.
Romans 8:2
New International Version (NIV)2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Footnotes:a) Romans 8:2 The Greek is singular; some manuscripts me
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Your Fellow Student,Kerwin
this answer is so vague that only an interpretation of the one that as written it can make sens of it ;
so what does it mean;1)It is not the word as you must believe in the word before the spring of living water will flow through you.
2)It is the Spirit of God through which both Jesus and God come to live in us.
3)That is why God calls himself the spring of living water.
4)God is the source(spring) but the Spirit of God is life.5)Romans 8:2
New International Version (NIV)2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
Footnotes:try to use words or scriptures that make people understand clearly what you mean,so that we know that what you say is clear to you,and not foggy,
Jn 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
Jn 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.Jesus does not say that it is wrong to study the scriptures,what was wrong with them they believed that it was trough the study of the scriptures that someone can be saved,but Christ told them that those scriptures were telling them about the messiah to come and now that he is there they refuse to go to him and receive life ,
without the knowledge it is true we would not know God and his son Jesus Christ ,and so have life,
but the religious leaders in there mind were thinking ,because they were the educated ones in the scriptures the rest of the folks were pure sinners,
many time Jesus rebuke them on this attitude and way of thinking.
Pierre
Pierre,It is the Spirit of God that gives life and not the Word.
kerwinwhat is the spirit of God ? that gives life
Pierre,
Quote what is the spirit of God ? that gives life Romans 8:10
New International Version (NIV)10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[a] because of righteousness.
Footnotes:
Romans 8:10 Or you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive
The Spirit of righteousness.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 01 2012,19:35) Pierre, Quote what is the spirit of God ? that gives life Romans 8:10
New International Version (NIV)10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[a] because of righteousness.
Footnotes:
Romans 8:10 Or you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive
The Spirit of righteousness.
Kerwinso what it says is that the fact that you are applying Gods words and the teachings of Christ and believe in it ;now if you die (the flesh) your spirit being in the spirit with God and his son will remain alive (soul)RIGHT ?
Pierre
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