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Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’WHAT IS IT IN REALITY THAT CHRIST IS SAYING ??
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,16:56) ALL do you have an answer ??
Pierre
Hi Pierre.If you consider the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus; you will see that the topic was about being born again: birth; not babtism,but somehow,the churches explained that as about babtism.
We are all born of water,we come out of the sack of water.
We are all flesh,born of the flesh.
we will be spirit if we are born of mother zion(Gods woman)she is not a phisical woman but spiritual,she is also called holy Jerusalem.We are born again only if we are resurected from the dead,or changed in a wink of an eye at the last day.
Jesus has to be flesh first.
He who does not believe that Jesus has come in the flesh is an antichrist.(1John 4:3.)And your question re, the wilderness: This world is pictured as the wilderness(not only today,but,since the beginning.)
The strong eat the weak,like the law of the jungle.The great whore babylon the great= revelation ch.18. the whole world commerce,greed,false religions,worshipping things made by mens hands(technology),wars, you name it.
Thankyou.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2012,16:54) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,16:56) ALL do you have an answer ??
Pierre
Hi Pierre.If you consider the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus; you will see that the topic was about being born again: birth; not babtism,but somehow,the churches explained that as about babtism.
We are all born of water,we come out of the sack of water.
We are all flesh,born of the flesh.
we will be spirit if we are born of mother zion(Gods woman)she is not a phisical woman but spiritual,she is also called holy Jerusalem.We are born again only if we are resurected from the dead,or changed in a wink of an eye at the last day.
Jesus has to be flesh first.
He who does not believe that Jesus has come in the flesh is an antichrist.(1John 4:3.)And your question re, the wilderness: This world is pictured as the wilderness(not only today,but,since the beginning.)
The strong eat the weak,like the law of the jungle.The great whore babylon the great= revelation ch.18. the whole world commerce,greed,false religions,worshipping things made by mens hands(technology),wars, you name it.
Thankyou.
wakeup.
wakeupthis is so far from truth that it is a plain lie,
I will get back later to explain it to you ,here
Pierre
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2012,09:54) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,16:56) ALL do you have an answer ??
Pierre
Hi Pierre.If you consider the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus; you will see that the topic was about being born again: birth; not babtism,but somehow,the churches explained that as about babtism.
We are all born of water,we come out of the sack of water.
We are all flesh,born of the flesh.
we will be spirit if we are born of mother zion(Gods woman)she is not a phisical woman but spiritual,she is also called holy Jerusalem.
Hey Wake-up,We agree, yea! …on this point anyways!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgwakeup
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’Jesus say to whom ? Nicodemus a Jew (knowledgeable in Gods will and law)
who did Jesus excluded from that access to the kingdom ? all ,he NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God,
how did Jesus say that it as to be ? unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
so what does it mean to be born of WATER ? water is the symbol for knowledge in scriptures;
so what does it mean to be born of the spirit ? Christ puts water before spirit why ? because unless we receive the knowledge of Gods word it would be impossible to receive the spirit their of.and so it does not matter the quantity of truth from Gods word ,but what truth of God we put in our heart ,this would be the action of being reborn,
GOD IS LOVE ,AND HE LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.so the reborn action is progressive continuous ,until the end of our lives or the return of Christ witch ever comes first.it is also true that the the spirit is like the wind this is true ;my understanding on this is, we all perceiving thoughts coming to us at various times but to some they push it off,to others it is quickly killed by their own intellect ,but by some who pay attention to it ,and with the research of Gods truth start to realize that this spirit (thoughts)are saying or speak to us from our inner being (just like flashes) clearly if we give it our true attention,this is to the true spirit that comes from God,to guide us to help us,but it works in combination of the truth of God in our heart, this is why Paul says that there is nothing that can save you after you have tasted the kingdom goods and fall down,
now be born again of the spirit means that ;we have both clean our mind and heart from wrong teachings and placing true knowledge into it and combine with truth giving to us personally from God ,this is something to be done on a on going base so that we will be filled with the truth and only spirit of God ,and only be concerned with the things of God,
this will bring us to be reborn of the spirit ,and the only thing left of this world would be the flesh box in witch our spirit dwells until it dies ,this then accomplish the words of Christ ;but the Spirit gives birth to spirit
Jesus also says; You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’he thought his apostles to the understanding what was hidden into scriptures until he came to unlock it,to them ,
this is my clear understanding of those verses ,
Pierre
wakeup
there is more to it than what i have just said,but if you understand this ,I am sure that you also will understand many other thing in scriptures that now are making sense,looked trough the spirit not seen trough the flesh,
Pierre
To all,
Jesus was teaching of the immersion of John the Baptist which included a pledge of a clear conscious before God. The fulfillment of that pledge is that the immersee walks according to a new spirit and so is reborn in spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 27 2012,14:24) To all, Jesus was teaching of the immersion of John the Baptist which included a pledge of a clear conscious before God. The fulfillment of that pledge is that the immersee walks according to a new spirit and so is reborn in spirit.
kerwinho yeah ?
Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
Jn 1:31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.This is what God commanded.
Ezekiel 18:31
New International Version (NIV)31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?
This is what John the Baptist stated.
Matthew 3:7-8
New International Version (NIV)7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.
Those who truly repent walk by a new spirit and repenting is pledging a clear conscious before God.
Matthew 3:13
New International Version (NIV)13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
He stated that because even though Jesus was tempted as was common to man he did not sin wwhhile John, himself fell short of the glory of God.Jesus answered:
Matthew 3:13
New International Version (NIV)15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
And so his baptism was to reveal who Jesus was to Israel while the immersion of others was for a clear conscious before God.
kerwin
Quote 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. And so his baptism was to reveal who Jesus was to Israel while the immersion of others was for a clear conscious before God.
I did not know that you are Christ and John the Baptist,??
Is it not Christ that came to to John to fulfill all righteousness ? was it not written in scriptures ?
it seems you are take scriptures to be accomplish over your you, is it ??
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 27 2012,03:13) This is what God commanded. Ezekiel 18:31
New International Version (NIV)31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?
This is what John the Baptist stated.
Matthew 3:7-8
New International Version (NIV)7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.
Those who truly repent walk by a new spirit and repenting is pledging a clear conscious before God.
Matthew 3:13
New International Version (NIV)13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
He stated that because even though Jesus was tempted as was common to man he did not sin wwhhile John, himself fell short of the glory of God.Jesus answered:
Matthew 3:13
New International Version (NIV)15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
And so his baptism was to reveal who Jesus was to Israel while the immersion of others was for a clear conscious before God.
Pierre,1) Scripture declares that John the Baptist's immersion was for repentance.
2) Repentance is the pledge of a clear conscious before God
3) Walking by a more godly spirit is fulfilling a person's pledge.
4) John immersed in water
Do you disagree with any of those four points? If so which ones and why?
Jesus already walked according to the spirit of God and therefore did not need to repent as Nicodemus and those that Jesus' disciples and John immersed. His immersion fulfilled a different purpose than theirs did. Jesus was not teaching Nicodemus of himself.
kerwin
Quote 2) Repentance is the pledge of a clear conscious before God this I have difficulty to understand I mean ” to be baptized in water to clear the spirit in us “”
please give some more details ,it looks you know.right ?
Pierre
Pierre,
When John the Baptist commands the Pharisees and Sadducees to bear the fruit of righteousness after they are immersed in water he is commanding them to repent and so walk according to a new spirit and not their old one. That is the same thing Jesus teaches Nicodemus. It is also a teaching that any teacher of Israel should have known as it was a widespread teaching among the people.
A person whom repents has a clear conscious before God as they have reason to have a guilty one and so repenting is pledging a clear conscious before God.
The spirit of Jesus was already like God’s in true righteousness and holiness and so he, unlike everyone else, had no reason to obtain a new spirit. Since the reason everyone else was immersed by John did not apply to him it is clear he was baptized for another reason. John tells us that reason in John 1:29-32.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2012,12:08) Pierre, When John the Baptist commands the Pharisees and Sadducees to bear the fruit of righteousness after they are immersed in water he is commanding them to repent and so walk according to a new spirit and not their old one. That is the same thing Jesus teaches Nicodemus. It is also a teaching that any teacher of Israel should have known as it was a widespread teaching among the people.
A person whom repents has a clear conscious before God as they have reason to have a guilty one and so repenting is pledging a clear conscious before God.
The spirit of Jesus was already like God’s in true righteousness and holiness and so he, unlike everyone else, had no reason to obtain a new spirit. Since the reason everyone else was immersed by John did not apply to him it is clear he was baptized for another reason. John tells us that reason in John 1:29-32.
kerwinyou are expressing your opinion of what you think it should be ,this is not what I have ask ,I want support in scriptures ,
and John 1:29-32. is not complete if you castrating some of his words ;
Jn 1:28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
Jn 1:31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”verse 34 is the reason of John the baptist baptism ,to prepare the way of the LORD and this he did by his testimony,
and more ;John was baptizing any one that came to him for it ,he just make it known that those who should be leaders in truth were not ,
so we still at my first question ;2) Repentance is the pledge of a clear conscious before God
could you with scriptures explain the relationship to water baptism of this ?
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 27 2012,06:44) wakeup there is more to it than what i have just said,but if you understand this ,I am sure that you also will understand many other thing in scriptures that now are making sense,looked trough the spirit not seen trough the flesh,
Pierre
Hi Pierre.You are mixing the two meanings and put it in one basket.
If we follow Christs commandments and live according to scripture,we are not born again yet; but we are CONFORMED; FROM BABYLONS WAY OF THINKING TO GODS WAY OF THINGKING. We have come out of babylon (Satans citie) and entered into zion.(Gods citie),where there is peace,and righteousness.
We have the renewing of our mind,we think like christ;love your enemies,Give your right cheek, etc.
But no one is perfect yet,to be born again; untill CHrist comes with his reward,to give it to us.His mercy will blot out our sins,and make us perfect.
We can not claim our reward now,not untill his coming.We can not be born again now; we are not perfect.We are only begotten of God. God has claimed us as his own.
When we are born of our spirit mother; Zion, we will be given a spirit body.( born of the spirit is spirit.)
ISIAH 66:7. Before she (zion) travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came she was delivered a man child,(jesus came to earth.).(born without pains)
VERSE 8. Who had heard such a thing? who had seen such a thing? Shall the earth be made to bring forth IN ONE DAY? Or shall a NATION BE BORN AT ONCE? FOR AS SOON AS ZION TRAVAILED(labour pains:tribulation), SHE BROUGHT FORTH HER CHILDREN. This is the resurection of zions children; A nation will be born in one day;born out of Zion, born in a spirit
body.Because you have never seen it this way; you say it a big lie.
greetings.wakeup.
Pierre,
Luke 3:16 teaches us that John the Baptist’s immersion was a water baptism. Matthew 3:11 states that it is with water for repentance. The fruit of repentance is new spirit and so a clear conscious before God. Jesus merely used different words to express the same ideas that John was teaching. Why would you question as those that were immersed in water by John and walked by a new more righteous spirit were reborn in water and spirit?
Neither John the Baptist or the followers of Jesus immersed anyone in the Saintly Spirit as did not come until Jesus returned to his Father and our Father.
John the Baptist prepared the way by teaching of the coming of the Anointed and calling for the people to get a spirit that seeks God and his kingdom. With such a spirit they would also follow Jesus.
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