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THE TIME LAG OF JUSTICE
54:3.1 The moral will creatures of the evolutionary worlds are always bothered with the unthinking question as to why the all-wise Creators permit evil and sin. They fail to comprehend that both are inevitable if the creature is to be truly free. The free will of evolving man or exquisite angel is not a mere philosophic concept, a symbolic ideal. Man’s ability to choose good or evil is a universe reality. This liberty to choose for oneself is an endowment of the Supreme Rulers, and they will not permit any being or group of beings to deprive a single personality in the wide universe of this divinely bestowed liberty—not even to satisfy such misguided and ignorant beings in the enjoyment of this misnamed personal liberty.
54:3.2 Although conscious and wholehearted identification with evil (sin) is the equivalent of nonexistence (annihilation), there must always intervene between the time of such personal identification with sin and the execution of the penalty—the automatic result of such a willful embrace of evil—a period of time of sufficient length to allow for such an adjudication of such an individual’s universe status as will prove entirely satisfactory to all related universe personalities, and which will be so fair and just as to win the approval of the sinner himself.
54:3.3 But if this universe rebel against the reality of truth and goodness refuses to approve the verdict, and if the guilty one knows in his heart the justice of his condemnation but refuses to make such confession, then must the execution of sentence be delayed in accordance with the discretion of the Ancients of Days. And the Ancients of Days refuse to annihilate any being until all moral values and all spiritual realities are extinct, both in the evildoer and in all related supporters and possible sympathizers.
Colter
Wakeup,
Who is to say an angel is more beautiful to God than a human being – or than a cockroach for that matter?
God created a variety of beings, all beautiful to Him in their various ways.
And who said Satan was evil when God created him? Surely a 2 month old baby cannot possibly be evil, right? BUT………….. God did not create yes-men robots, Wakeup. He created the intelligent beings with a free will, knowing in advance that some would choose evil and self gain over obeying their Creator.
Should He have just scrapped the whole idea, knowing in advance that SOME of His creations would turn against Him?
Imagine that Satan, a beautifully created son of God, didn't tempt Eve. Would we today be living in paradise? Or would some other angel or human have rebelled against his Creator at some other time? Satan didn't have to do what he did, but God, knowing in advance what might happen, created him with his own free will to choose anyway. God didn't create Satan evil – Satan chose of his own volition, to take a path in contrast to his Creator.
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:18) THE TIME LAG OF JUSTICE 54:3.1 The moral will creatures of the evolutionary worlds are always bothered with the unthinking question as to why the all-wise Creators permit evil and sin. They fail to comprehend that both are inevitable if the creature is to be truly free. The free will of evolving man or exquisite angel is not a mere philosophic concept, a symbolic ideal. Man’s ability to choose good or evil is a universe reality. This liberty to choose for oneself is an endowment of the Supreme Rulers, and they will not permit any being or group of beings to deprive a single personality in the wide universe of this divinely bestowed liberty—not even to satisfy such misguided and ignorant beings in the enjoyment of this misnamed personal liberty.
54:3.2 Although conscious and wholehearted identification with evil (sin) is the equivalent of nonexistence (annihilation), there must always intervene between the time of such personal identification with sin and the execution of the penalty—the automatic result of such a willful embrace of evil—a period of time of sufficient length to allow for such an adjudication of such an individual’s universe status as will prove entirely satisfactory to all related universe personalities, and which will be so fair and just as to win the approval of the sinner himself.
54:3.3 But if this universe rebel against the reality of truth and goodness refuses to approve the verdict, and if the guilty one knows in his heart the justice of his condemnation but refuses to make such confession, then must the execution of sentence be delayed in accordance with the discretion of the Ancients of Days. And the Ancients of Days refuse to annihilate any being until all moral values and all spiritual realities are extinct, both in the evildoer and in all related supporters and possible sympathizers.
Colter
Colter.Evil will not go away untill:
The evil one will be locked up for a1000yrs,and all his followers and his world system will be destroyed.
The righteous will be resurrected,and will rule with King Chist in his kingdom ,in israel for a 1000yrs and they will teach the jews that are brought back, of all generations by Gods choice(the resurved).And they also will teach the gentiles outside the kingdom,and the luke warm christians also will be taught.
And then shall knowledge cover the earth as the sea cover the earth. Not now.
After the 1000yrs satan will be let loose to do his job again ,to deceive and to gather the non believers to attack the kingdom, and God will send fire from heaven to destroy them all.
Now death is conquerred. then comes the 2nd resurrection consisting of all the dead past present and furure to be judged according to the books;according to their works;not according to christ.The sheep on the right, and the goats on the left, and the goats cast into the fire.
The sheep will be accepted in the kingdom.
Then the earth and the heavens need cleansing, by melting.
Then the new heavens and the new earth.Then God himself will dwell amongst us.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 22 2012,10:04) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,09:18) THE TIME LAG OF JUSTICE 54:3.1 The moral will creatures of the evolutionary worlds are always bothered with the unthinking question as to why the all-wise Creators permit evil and sin. They fail to comprehend that both are inevitable if the creature is to be truly free. The free will of evolving man or exquisite angel is not a mere philosophic concept, a symbolic ideal. Man’s ability to choose good or evil is a universe reality. This liberty to choose for oneself is an endowment of the Supreme Rulers, and they will not permit any being or group of beings to deprive a single personality in the wide universe of this divinely bestowed liberty—not even to satisfy such misguided and ignorant beings in the enjoyment of this misnamed personal liberty.
54:3.2 Although conscious and wholehearted identification with evil (sin) is the equivalent of nonexistence (annihilation), there must always intervene between the time of such personal identification with sin and the execution of the penalty—the automatic result of such a willful embrace of evil—a period of time of sufficient length to allow for such an adjudication of such an individual’s universe status as will prove entirely satisfactory to all related universe personalities, and which will be so fair and just as to win the approval of the sinner himself.
54:3.3 But if this universe rebel against the reality of truth and goodness refuses to approve the verdict, and if the guilty one knows in his heart the justice of his condemnation but refuses to make such confession, then must the execution of sentence be delayed in accordance with the discretion of the Ancients of Days. And the Ancients of Days refuse to annihilate any being until all moral values and all spiritual realities are extinct, both in the evildoer and in all related supporters and possible sympathizers.
Colter
Colter.Evil will not go away untill:
The evil one will be locked up for a1000yrs,and all his followers and his world system will be destroyed.
The righteous will be resurrected,and will rule with King Chist in his kingdom ,in israel for a 1000yrs and they will teach the jews that are brought back, of all generations by Gods choice(the resurved).And they also will teach the gentiles outside the kingdom,and the luke warm christians also will be taught.
And then shall knowledge cover the earth as the sea cover the earth. Not now.
After the 1000yrs satan will be let loose to do his job again ,to deceive and to gather the non believers to attack the kingdom, and God will send fire from heaven to destroy them all.
Now death is conquerred. then comes the 2nd resurrection consisting of all the dead past present and furure to be judged according to the books;according to their works;not according to christ.The sheep on the right, and the goats on the left, and the goats cast into the fire.
The sheep will be accepted in the kingdom.
Then the earth and the heavens need cleansing, by melting.
Then the new heavens and the new earth.Then God himself will dwell amongst us.
wakeup.
Quote After the 1000yrs satan will be let loose to do his job again ,to deceive and to gather the non believers to attack the kingdom, and God will send fire from heaven to destroy them all. That's awful theology, never taught by Jesus but added on by a moron. It's sick, primitive and backward.
Colter
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2012,03:41) [ Gene, does this say God will save everyone, no matter what they choose by their own free will to do? Or does it say, “If you CHOOSE to be unfaithful, then BAD will happen to you, but if you CHOOSE to return to God, then GOOD will happen to you? WHO makes that choice, Gene?
Mike……..the question is not the “Choice” but what “CAUSED” the Choice. It was not a WILL the was FREE of influences that I will guarantee you. And therefore it was Not a “FREE” Willed Choice. But and influenced Will Choice as all will are Influenced or they simply would not be a WILL. Again your not understand what a WILL is., and mixing up God giving us “LIBERTY” to exercise our “captivated” and “Biased” WILLS as the Will “themselves” being FREE. Nothing could be further from the truth. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene
Colter…….> I simple quoted a Scripture and you try to make it out to say God is Both Good and Evil , who said that? What (IT) said is GOD “CREATES EVIL” your denial of “HIS” Words To meet your own Urantia Theologies is the real problem Here, not ME or What i have Quoted or said. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Colter…………………………………………………………………………
……geneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 23 2012,02:02) Colter…….> I simple quoted a Scripture and you try to make it out to say God is Both Good and Evil , who said that? What (IT) said is GOD “CREATES EVIL” your denial of “HIS” Words To meet your own Urantia Theologies is the real problem Here, not ME or What i have Quoted or said. IMO peace and love to you and yours Colter…………………………………………………………………………
……gene
You advanced the theory that Satan wasn't a personality reality (a real person), you said that Satan is just an evil spirit created by God. The consequence of this absurd reasoning is that God has both a good will and an evil will.Early OT authors believed that God created both good and evil such as the occasion when, God was to have instructed David to number Israel. 200 years later thinking was evolving more towards truth, we can see another author recounting the same incident blamed Satan, he didn't dare blame God. But to you, Satan and Yahweh are the same thing.
It's not true.
Colter
Gene,
Are you saying that if I'm standing outside and the sun is hot, and I use my free will to walk into the shade, my will was not really free because it was influenced by the sun?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 22 2012,09:41) Wakeup, Who is to say an angel is more beautiful to God than a human being – or than a cockroach for that matter?
God created a variety of beings, all beautiful to Him in their various ways.
And who said Satan was evil when God created him? Surely a 2 month old baby cannot possibly be evil, right? BUT………….. God did not create yes-men robots, Wakeup. He created the intelligent beings with a free will, knowing in advance that some would choose evil and self gain over obeying their Creator.
Should He have just scrapped the whole idea, knowing in advance that SOME of His creations would turn against Him?
Imagine that Satan, a beautifully created son of God, didn't tempt Eve. Would we today be living in paradise? Or would some other angel or human have rebelled against his Creator at some other time? Satan didn't have to do what he did, but God, knowing in advance what might happen, created him with his own free will to choose anyway. God didn't create Satan evil – Satan chose of his own volition, to take a path in contrast to his Creator.
Mike B.The question was: did God create evil?
The scriptures says yes he did.god doesnot hide things,he does not lie.
Since God is in control of all things,good and evil,he is also responsible for all what is happening.If I plan to make a bomb that can kill many people; and I –KNOW— that someday some one is going to steal it, and kill many people; but I carry on developing it.
And then it happened;it was stolen'; and many people got killed. now who is the main guilty one here? For I know this will happen.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Are you saying that since you have the possibility of doing evil, God shouldn't have created you?
Are you saying that since you have the possibility of doing evil, God in effect created evil by creating you?
I'm not aware of any scripture that says God created evil.
Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,11:49) Jesus on “The temptation of man.” On the evening of this same day Nathaniel asked Jesus: “Master, why do we pray that God will lead us not into temptation when we well know from your revelation of the Father that he never does such things?” Jesus answered Nathaniel:
156:5.4 “It is not strange that you ask such questions seeing that you are beginning to know the Father as I know him, and not as the early Hebrew prophets so dimly saw him. You well know how our forefathers were disposed to see God in almost everything that happened. They looked for the hand of God in all natural occurrences and in every unusual episode of human experience. They connected God with both good and evil. They thought he softened the heart of Moses and hardened the heart of Pharaoh. When man had a strong urge to do something, good or evil, he was in the habit of accounting for these unusual emotions by remarking: `The Lord spoke to me saying, do thus and so, or go here and there.’ Accordingly, since men so often and so violently ran into temptation, it became the habit of our forefathers to believe that God led them thither for testing, punishing, or strengthening. But you, indeed, now know better. You know that men are all too often led into temptation by the urge of their own selfishness and by the impulses of their animal natures. When you are in this way tempted, I admonish you that, while you recognize temptation honestly and sincerely for just what it is, you intelligently redirect the energies of spirit, mind, and body, which are seeking expression, into higher channels and toward more idealistic goals. In this way may you transform your temptations into the highest types of uplifting mortal ministry while you almost wholly avoid these wasteful and weakening conflicts between the animal and spiritual natures.
156:5.5 “But let me warn you against the folly of undertaking to surmount temptation by the effort of supplanting one desire by another and supposedly superior desire through the mere force of the human will. If you would be truly triumphant over the temptations of the lesser and lower nature, you must come to that place of spiritual advantage where you have really and truly developed an actual interest in, and love for, those higher and more idealistic forms of conduct which your mind is desirous of substituting for these lower and less idealistic habits of behavior that you recognize as temptation. You will in this way be delivered through spiritual transformation rather than be increasingly overburdened with the deceptive suppression of mortal desires. The old and the inferior will be forgotten in the love for the new and the superior. Beauty is always triumphant over ugliness in the hearts of all who are illuminated by the love of truth. There is mighty power in the expulsive energy of a new and sincere spiritual affection. And again I say to you, be not overcome by evil but rather overcome evil with good.”UB
Colter
Jas 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Jas 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
Jas 1:18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he createdQuote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,04:10) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,11:49) Jesus on “The temptation of man.” On the evening of this same day Nathaniel asked Jesus: “Master, why do we pray that God will lead us not into temptation when we well know from your revelation of the Father that he never does such things?” Jesus answered Nathaniel:
156:5.4 “It is not strange that you ask such questions seeing that you are beginning to know the Father as I know him, and not as the early Hebrew prophets so dimly saw him. You well know how our forefathers were disposed to see God in almost everything that happened. They looked for the hand of God in all natural occurrences and in every unusual episode of human experience. They connected God with both good and evil. They thought he softened the heart of Moses and hardened the heart of Pharaoh. When man had a strong urge to do something, good or evil, he was in the habit of accounting for these unusual emotions by remarking: `The Lord spoke to me saying, do thus and so, or go here and there.’ Accordingly, since men so often and so violently ran into temptation, it became the habit of our forefathers to believe that God led them thither for testing, punishing, or strengthening. But you, indeed, now know better. You know that men are all too often led into temptation by the urge of their own selfishness and by the impulses of their animal natures. When you are in this way tempted, I admonish you that, while you recognize temptation honestly and sincerely for just what it is, you intelligently redirect the energies of spirit, mind, and body, which are seeking expression, into higher channels and toward more idealistic goals. In this way may you transform your temptations into the highest types of uplifting mortal ministry while you almost wholly avoid these wasteful and weakening conflicts between the animal and spiritual natures.
156:5.5 “But let me warn you against the folly of undertaking to surmount temptation by the effort of supplanting one desire by another and supposedly superior desire through the mere force of the human will. If you would be truly triumphant over the temptations of the lesser and lower nature, you must come to that place of spiritual advantage where you have really and truly developed an actual interest in, and love for, those higher and more idealistic forms of conduct which your mind is desirous of substituting for these lower and less idealistic habits of behavior that you recognize as temptation. You will in this way be delivered through spiritual transformation rather than be increasingly overburdened with the deceptive suppression of mortal desires. The old and the inferior will be forgotten in the love for the new and the superior. Beauty is always triumphant over ugliness in the hearts of all who are illuminated by the love of truth. There is mighty power in the expulsive energy of a new and sincere spiritual affection. And again I say to you, be not overcome by evil but rather overcome evil with good.”UB
Colter
Jas 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Jas 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
Jas 1:18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created
yep, James, the Lards blood brother, rocks! he gets it.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 23 2012,11:57) Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,04:10) Quote (Colter @ July 22 2012,11:49) Jesus on “The temptation of man.” On the evening of this same day Nathaniel asked Jesus: “Master, why do we pray that God will lead us not into temptation when we well know from your revelation of the Father that he never does such things?” Jesus answered Nathaniel:
156:5.4 “It is not strange that you ask such questions seeing that you are beginning to know the Father as I know him, and not as the early Hebrew prophets so dimly saw him. You well know how our forefathers were disposed to see God in almost everything that happened. They looked for the hand of God in all natural occurrences and in every unusual episode of human experience. They connected God with both good and evil. They thought he softened the heart of Moses and hardened the heart of Pharaoh. When man had a strong urge to do something, good or evil, he was in the habit of accounting for these unusual emotions by remarking: `The Lord spoke to me saying, do thus and so, or go here and there.’ Accordingly, since men so often and so violently ran into temptation, it became the habit of our forefathers to believe that God led them thither for testing, punishing, or strengthening. But you, indeed, now know better. You know that men are all too often led into temptation by the urge of their own selfishness and by the impulses of their animal natures. When you are in this way tempted, I admonish you that, while you recognize temptation honestly and sincerely for just what it is, you intelligently redirect the energies of spirit, mind, and body, which are seeking expression, into higher channels and toward more idealistic goals. In this way may you transform your temptations into the highest types of uplifting mortal ministry while you almost wholly avoid these wasteful and weakening conflicts between the animal and spiritual natures.
156:5.5 “But let me warn you against the folly of undertaking to surmount temptation by the effort of supplanting one desire by another and supposedly superior desire through the mere force of the human will. If you would be truly triumphant over the temptations of the lesser and lower nature, you must come to that place of spiritual advantage where you have really and truly developed an actual interest in, and love for, those higher and more idealistic forms of conduct which your mind is desirous of substituting for these lower and less idealistic habits of behavior that you recognize as temptation. You will in this way be delivered through spiritual transformation rather than be increasingly overburdened with the deceptive suppression of mortal desires. The old and the inferior will be forgotten in the love for the new and the superior. Beauty is always triumphant over ugliness in the hearts of all who are illuminated by the love of truth. There is mighty power in the expulsive energy of a new and sincere spiritual affection. And again I say to you, be not overcome by evil but rather overcome evil with good.”UB
Colter
Jas 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.
Jas 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
Jas 1:18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created
yep, James, the Lards blood brother, rocks! he gets it.Colter
colterthis strange language you are ussing I do not understand ,
it seems you ate the disciple called James is it
Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2012,02:03) Urantia Book Diagrams – Paper 106.08 – Trinity of Trinities
Edj.A lot of jargon ,all about nothing to confuse the humble.
It had to come from america doesnt it?wakeup.
EDJ……………………..This is pure GARBAGE created from minds of false Philosophers They believe if they can use and make up all kinds of scenarios they can impress us by their “CARNAL” Philosophizing to think they Know what they are talking about. WE need to keep our understand simple and Clear, in line with the scriptures we all Have. We have enough problems with that we really don't need any Urantia GARBAGE. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene
While it may be difficult for some of you to understand, that doesn’t mean that others don't understand.
Maybe you should try other parts of the book that aren’t so difficult. Ed j has chosen a difficult part for his own reasons.
try this:
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 24 2012,04:06) While it may be difficult for some of you to understand, that doesn’t mean that others don't understand. Maybe you should try other parts of the book that aren’t so difficult. Ed j has chosen a difficult part for his own reasons.
try this:
Colter
Colter.Jesus is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,and without him was not anything made that was made.Everything was made by the word of God; by the breath of his mouth.
He came to earth to bring light to the world,there is none before him and there is none after him.he is the first and the last,the Alpha and omega.
The Holy bible is thousands of years old and Jesus did mention Adam,Enoch,Noah,Abraham,David, he never mentioned the book of urantia which is just a recent book written by an unknown creature. I suspect him to be satan himself, for it is contraditory to the preaching of the son of God.(The word himself).
Jesus preaching is focused on this earth(mankind) not the universe.
I can see this coming: first it was all about communism,then all about terrorism, and now it is all about aliens,the aliens are coming.
Watch for the great delusion coming.
wakeup.
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