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The Urantia Book
Paper 10
THE PARADISE TRINITY
[Sponsored by a Universal Censor acting by authority from the Ancients of Days resident on Uversa.]
10:0.1 THE PARADISE TRINITY of eternal Deities facilitates the Father’s escape from personality absolutism. The Trinity perfectly associates the limitless expression of God’s infinite personal will with the absoluteness of Deity. The Eternal Son and the various Sons of divine origin, together with the Conjoint Actor and his universe children, effectively provide for the Father’s liberation from the limitations otherwise inherent in primacy, perfection, changelessness, eternity, universality, absoluteness, and infinity.
10:0.2 The Paradise Trinity effectively provides for the full expression and perfect revelation of the eternal nature of Deity. The Stationary Sons of the Trinity likewise afford a full and perfect revelation of divine justice. The Trinity is Deity unity, and this unity rests eternally upon the absolute foundations of the divine oneness of the three original and co-ordinate and coexistent personalities, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit.
10:0.3 From the present situation on the circle of eternity, looking backward into the endless past, we can discover only one inescapable inevitability in universe affairs, and that is the Paradise Trinity. I deem the Trinity to have been inevitable. As I view the past, present, and future of time, I consider nothing else in all the universe of universes to have been inevitable. The present master universe, viewed in retrospect or in prospect, is unthinkable without the Trinity. Given the Paradise Trinity, we can postulate alternate or even multiple ways of doing all things, but without the Trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit we are unable to conceive how the Infinite could achieve threefold and co-ordinate personalization in the face of the absolute oneness of Deity. No other concept of creation measures up to the Trinity standards of the completeness of the absoluteness inherent in Deity unity coupled with the repleteness of volitional liberation inherent in the threefold personalization of Deity.
1. SELF-DISTRIBUTION OF THE FIRST SOURCE AND CENTER
10:1.1 It would seem that the Father, back in eternity, inaugurated a policy of profound self-distribution. There is inherent in the selfless, loving, and lovable nature of the Universal Father something which causes him to reserve to himself the exercise of only those powers and that authority which he apparently finds it impossible to delegate or to bestow.
10:1.2 The Universal Father all along has divested himself of every part of himself that was bestowable on any other Creator or creature. He has delegated to his divine Sons and their associated intelligences every power and all authority that could be delegated. He has actually transferred to his Sovereign Sons, in their respective universes, every prerogative of administrative authority that was transferable. In the affairs of a local universe, he has made each Sovereign Creator Son just as perfect, competent, and authoritative as is the Eternal Son in the original and central universe. He has given away, actually bestowed, with the dignity and sanctity of personality possession, all of himself and all of his attributes, everything he possibly could divest himself of, in every way, in every age, in every place, and to every person, and in every universe except that of his central indwelling.
10:1.3 Divine personality is not self-centered; self-distribution and sharing of personality characterize divine freewill selfhood. Creatures crave association with other personal creatures; Creators are moved to share divinity with their universe children; the personality of the Infinite is disclosed as the Universal Father, who shares reality of being and equality of self with two co-ordinate personalities, the Eternal Son and the Conjoint Actor.
10:1.4 For knowledge concerning the Father’s personality and divine attributes we will always be dependent on the revelations of the Eternal Son, for when the conjoint act of creation was effected, when the Third Person of Deity sprang into personality existence and executed the combined concepts of his divine parents, the Father ceased to exist as the unqualified personality. With the coming into being of the Conjoint Actor and the materialization of the central core of creation, certain eternal changes took place. God gave himself as an absolute personality to his Eternal Son. Thus does the Father bestow the “personality of infinity” upon his only-begotten Son, while they both bestow the “conjoint personality” of their eternal union upon the Infinite Spirit.
10:1.5 For these and other reasons beyond the concept of the finite mind, it is exceedingly difficult for the human creature to comprehend God’s infinite father-personality except as it is universally revealed in the Eternal Son and, with the Son, is universally active in the Infinite Spirit.
10:1.6 Since the Paradise Sons of God visit the evolutionary worlds and sometimes even there dwell in the likeness of mortal flesh, and since these bestowals make it possible for mortal man actually to know something of the nature and character of divine personality, therefore must the creatures of the planetary spheres look to the bestowals of these Paradise Sons for reliable and trustworthy information regarding the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.
2. DEITY PERSONALIZATION
10:2.1 By the technique of trinitization the Father divests himself of that unqualified spirit personality which is the Son, but in so doing he constitutes himself the Father of this very Son and thereby possesses himself of unlimited capacity to become the divine Father of all subsequently created, eventuated, or other personalized types of intelligent will creatures. As the absolute and unqualified personality the Father can function only as and with the Son, but as a personal Father he continues to bestow personality upon the diverse hosts of the differing levels of intelligent will creatures, and he forever maintains personal relations of loving association with this vast family of universe children.
10:2.2 After the Father has bestowed upon the personality of his Son the fullness of himself, and when this act of self-bestowal is complete and perfect, of the infinite power and nature which are thus existent in the Father-Son union, the eternal partners conjointly bestow those qualities and attributes which constitute still another being like themselves; and this conjoint personality, the Infinite Spirit, completes the existential personalization of Deity.
10:2.3 The Son is indispensable to the fatherhood of God. The Spirit is indispensable to the fraternity of the Second and Third Persons. Three persons are a minimum social group, but this is least of all the many reasons for believing in the inevitability of the Conjoint Actor.
10:2.4 The First Source and Center is the infinite father-personality, the unlimited source personality. The Eternal Son is the unqualified personality-absolute, that divine being who stands throughout all time and eternity as the perfect revelation of the personal nature of God. The Infinite Spirit is the conjoint personality, the unique personal consequence of the everlasting Father-Son union.
10:2.5 The personality of the First Source and Center is the personality of infinity minus the absolute personality of the Eternal Son. The personality of the Third Source and Center is the superadditive consequence of the union of the liberated Father-personality and the absolute Son-personality.
10:2.6 The Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit are unique persons; none is a duplicate; each is original; all are united.
10:2.7 The Eternal Son alone experiences the fullness of divine personality relationship, consciousness of both sonship with the Father and paternity to the Spirit and of divine eq
uality with both Father-ancestor and Spirit-associate. The Father knows the experience of having a Son who is his equal, but the Father knows no ancestral antecedents. The Eternal Son has the experience of sonship, recognition of personality ancestry, and at the same time the Son is conscious of being joint parent to the Infinite Spirit. The Infinite Spirit is conscious of twofold personality ancestry but is not parental to a co-ordinate Deity personality. With the Spirit the existential cycle of Deity personalization attains completion; the primary personalities of the Third Source and Center are experiential and are seven in number.10:2.8 I am of origin in the Paradise Trinity. I know the Trinity as unified Deity; I also know that the Father, Son, and Spirit exist and act in their definite personal capacities. I positively know that they not only act personally and collectively, but that they also co-ordinate their performances in various groupings, so that in the end they function in seven different singular and plural capacities. And since these seven associations exhaust the possibilities for such divinity combination, it is inevitable that the realities of the universe shall appear in seven variations of values, meanings, and personality.
3. THE THREE PERSONS OF DEITY
10:3.1 Notwithstanding there is only one Deity, there are three positive and divine personalizations of Deity. Regarding the endowment of man with the divine Adjusters, the Father said: “Let us make mortal man in our own image.” Repeatedly throughout the Urantian writings there occurs this reference to the acts and doings of plural Deity, clearly showing recognition of the existence and working of the three Sources and Centers.
10:3.2 We are taught that the Son and the Spirit sustain the same and equal relations to the Father in the Trinity association. In eternity and as Deities they undoubtedly do, but in time and as personalities they certainly disclose relationships of a very diverse nature. Looking from Paradise out on the universes, these relationships do seem to be very similar, but when viewed from the domains of space, they appear to be quite different.
10:3.3 The divine Sons are indeed the “Word of God,” but the children of the Spirit are truly the “Act of God.” God speaks through the Son and, with the Son, acts through the Infinite Spirit, while in all universe activities the Son and the Spirit are exquisitely fraternal, working as two equal brothers with admiration and love for an honored and divinely respected common Father.
10:3.4 The Father, Son, and Spirit are certainly equal in nature, co-ordinate in being, but there are unmistakable differences in their universe performances, and when acting alone, each person of Deity is apparently limited in absoluteness.
10:3.5 The Universal Father, prior to his self-willed divestment of the personality, powers, and attributes which constitute the Son and the Spirit, seems to have been (philosophically considered) an unqualified, absolute, and infinite Deity. But such a theoretical First Source and Center without a Son could not in any sense of the word be considered the Universal Father; fatherhood is not real without sonship. Furthermore, the Father, to have been absolute in a total sense, must have existed at some eternally distant moment alone. But he never had such a solitary existence; the Son and the Spirit are both coeternal with the Father. The First Source and Center has always been, and will forever be, the eternal Father of the Original Son and, with the Son, the eternal progenitor of the Infinite Spirit.
10:3.6 We observe that the Father has divested himself of all direct manifestations of absoluteness except absolute fatherhood and absolute volition. We do not know whether volition is an inalienable attribute of the Father; we can only observe that he did not divest himself of volition. Such infinity of will must have been eternally inherent in the First Source and Center.
10:3.7 In bestowing absoluteness of personality upon the Eternal Son, the Universal Father escapes from the fetters of personality absolutism, but in so doing he takes a step which makes it forever impossible for him to act alone as the personality-absolute. And with the final personalization of coexistent Deity—the Conjoint Actor—there ensues the critical trinitarian interdependence of the three divine personalities with regard to the totality of Deity function in absolute.
10:3.8 God is the Father-Absolute of all personalities in the universe of universes. The Father is personally absolute in liberty of action, but in the universes of time and space, made, in the making, and yet to be made, the Father is not discernibly absolute as total Deity except in the Paradise Trinity.
10:3.9 The First Source and Center functions outside of Havona in the phenomenal universes as follows:
1. As creator, through the Creator Sons, his grandsons.
2. As controller, through the gravity center of Paradise.
3. As spirit, through the Eternal Son.
4. As mind, through the Conjoint Creator.
5. As a Father, he maintains parental contact with all creatures through his personality circuit.
6. As a person, he acts directly throughout creation by his exclusive fragments—in mortal man by the Thought Adjusters.
7. As total Deity, he functions only in the Paradise Trinity.10:3.17 All these relinquishments and delegations of jurisdiction by the Universal Father are wholly voluntary and self-imposed. The all-powerful Father purposefully assumes these limitations of universe authority.
10:3.18 The Eternal Son seems to function as one with the Father in all spiritual respects except in the bestowals of the God fragments and in other prepersonal activities. Neither is the Son closely identified with the intellectual activities of material creatures nor with the energy activities of the material universes. As absolute the Son functions as a person and only in the domain of the spiritual universe.
10:3.19 The Infinite Spirit is amazingly universal and unbelievably versatile in all his operations. He performs in the spheres of mind, matter, and spirit. The Conjoint Actor represents the Father-Son association, but he also functions as himself. He is not directly concerned with physical gravity, with spiritual gravity, or with the personality circuit, but he more or less participates in all other universe activities. While apparently dependent on three existential and absolute gravity controls, the Infinite Spirit appears to exercise three supercontrols. This threefold endowment is employed in many ways to transcend and seemingly to neutralize even the manifestations of primary forces and energies, right up to the superultimate borders of absoluteness. In certain situations these supercontrols absolutely transcend even the primal manifestations of cosmic reality.
4. THE TRINITY UNION OF DEITY
10:4.1 Of all absolute associations, the Paradise Trinity (the first triunity) is unique as an exclusive association of personal Deity. God functions as God only in relation to God and to those who can know God, but as absolute Deity only in the Paradise Trinity and in relation to universe totality.
10:4.2 Eternal Deity is perfectly unified; nevertheless there are three perfectly individualized persons of Deity. The Paradise Trinity makes possible the simultaneous expression of all the diversity of the character traits and infinite powers of the First Source and Center and his eternal co-ordinates and of all the divine unity of the universe functions of undivided Deity.
10:4.3 The Trinity is an association of infinite persons functioning in a nonpersonal capacity but not in contravention of personality. The illustration is crude, but a father, son, and grandson could form a corporate entity which would be nonpersonal but nonetheless subject to their personal wills.
10:4.4 The Paradise Trinity is real. It exists as the Deity union of Father, Son, and Spirit; yet the Father, the Son, or the Spirit, o
r any two of them, can function in relation to this selfsame Paradise Trinity. The Father, Son, and Spirit can collaborate in a non-Trinity manner, but not as three Deities. As persons they can collaborate as they choose, but that is not the Trinity.10:4.5 Ever remember that what the Infinite Spirit does is the function of the Conjoint Actor. Both the Father and the Son are functioning in and through and as him. But it would be futile to attempt to elucidate the Trinity mystery: three as one and in one, and one as two and acting for two.
10:4.6 The Trinity is so related to total universe affairs that it must be reckoned with in our attempts to explain the totality of any isolated cosmic event or personality relationship. The Trinity functions on all levels of the cosmos, and mortal man is limited to the finite level; therefore must man be content with a finite concept of the Trinity as the Trinity.
10:4.7 As a mortal in the flesh you should view the Trinity in accordance with your individual enlightenment and in harmony with the reactions of your mind and soul. You can know very little of the absoluteness of the Trinity, but as you ascend Paradiseward, you will many times experience astonishment at successive revelations and unexpected discoveries of Trinity supremacy and ultimacy, if not of absoluteness.
5. FUNCTIONS OF THE TRINITY
10:5.1 The personal Deities have attributes, but it is hardly consistent to speak of the Trinity as having attributes. This association of divine beings may more properly be regarded as having functions, such as justice administration, totality attitudes, co-ordinate action, and cosmic overcontrol. These functions are actively supreme, ultimate, and (within the limits of Deity) absolute as far as all living realities of personality value are concerned.
10:5.2 The functions of the Paradise Trinity are not simply the sum of the Father’s apparent endowment of divinity plus those specialized attributes that are unique in the personal existence of the Son and the Spirit. The Trinity association of the three Paradise Deities results in the evolution, eventuation, and deitization of new meanings, values, powers, and capacities for universal revelation, action, and administration. Living associations, human families, social groups, or the Paradise Trinity are not augmented by mere arithmetical summation. The group potential is always far in excess of the simple sum of the attributes of the component individuals.
10:5.3 The Trinity maintains a unique attitude as the Trinity towards the entire universe of the past, present, and future. And the functions of the Trinity can best be considered in relation to the universe attitudes of the Trinity. Such attitudes are simultaneous and may be multiple concerning any isolated situation or event:
1. Attitude toward the Finite. The maximum self-limitation of the Trinity is its attitude toward the finite. The Trinity is not a person, nor is the Supreme Being an exclusive personalization of the Trinity, but the Supreme is the nearest approach to a power-personality focalization of the Trinity which can be comprehended by finite creatures. Hence the Trinity in relation to the finite is sometimes spoken of as the Trinity of Supremacy.
2. Attitude toward the Absonite. The Paradise Trinity has regard for those levels of existence which are more than finite but less than absolute, and this relationship is sometimes denominated the Trinity of Ultimacy. Neither the Ultimate nor the Supreme are wholly representative of the Paradise Trinity, but in a qualified sense and to their respective levels, each seems to represent the Trinity during the prepersonal eras of experiential-power development.
3. The Absolute Attitude of the Paradise Trinity is in relation to absolute existences and culminates in the action of total Deity.
10:5.7 The Trinity Infinite involves the co-ordinate action of all triunity relationships of the First Source and Center—undeified as well as deified—and hence is very difficult for personalities to grasp. In the contemplation of the Trinity as infinite, do not ignore the seven triunities; thereby certain difficulties of understanding may be avoided, and certain paradoxes may be partially resolved.
10:5.8 But I do not command language which would enable me to convey to the limited human mind the full truth and the eternal significance of the Paradise Trinity and the nature of the never-ending interassociation of the three beings of infinite perfection.
6. THE STATIONARY SONS OF THE TRINITY
10:6.1 All law takes origin in the First Source and Center; he is law. The administration of spiritual law inheres in the Second Source and Center. The revelation of law, the promulgation and interpretation of the divine statutes, is the function of the Third Source and Center. The application of law, justice, falls within the province of the Paradise Trinity and is carried out by certain Sons of the Trinity.
10:6.2 Justice is inherent in the universal sovereignty of the Paradise Trinity, but goodness, mercy, and truth are the universe ministry of the divine personalities, whose Deity union constitutes the Trinity. Justice is not the attitude of the Father, the Son, or the Spirit. Justice is the Trinity attitude of these personalities of love, mercy, and ministry. No one of the Paradise Deities fosters the administration of justice. Justice is never a personal attitude; it is always a plural function.
10:6.3 Evidence, the basis of fairness (justice in harmony with mercy), is supplied by the personalities of the Third Source and Center, the conjoint representative of the Father and the Son to all realms and to the minds of the intelligent beings of all creation.
10:6.4 Judgment, the final application of justice in accordance with the evidence submitted by the personalities of the Infinite Spirit, is the work of the Stationary Sons of the Trinity, beings partaking of the Trinity nature of the united Father, Son, and Spirit.
10:6.5 This group of Trinity Sons embraces the following personalities:
1. Trinitized Secrets of Supremacy.
2. Eternals of Days.
3. Ancients of Days.
4. Perfections of Days.
5. Recents of Days.
6. Unions of Days.
7. Faithfuls of Days.
8. Perfectors of Wisdom.
9. Divine Counselors.
10. Universal Censors.10:6.16 We are the children of the three Paradise Deities functioning as the Trinity, for I chance to belong to the tenth order of this group, the Universal Censors. These orders are not representative of the attitude of the Trinity in a universal sense; they represent this collective attitude of Deity only in the domains of executive judgment—justice. They were specifically designed by the Trinity for the precise work to which they are assigned, and they represent the Trinity only in those functions for which they were personalized.
10:6.17 The Ancients of Days and their Trinity-origin associates mete out the just judgment of supreme fairness to the seven superuniverses. In the central universe such functions exist in theory only; there fairness is self-evident in perfection, and Havona perfection precludes all possibility of disharmony.
10:6.18 Justice is the collective thought of righteousness; mercy is its personal expression. Mercy is the attitude of love; precision characterizes the operation of law; divine judgment is the soul of fairness, ever conforming to the justice of the Trinity, ever fulfilling the divine love of God. When fully perceived and completely understood, the righteous justice of the Trinity and the merciful love of the Universal Father are coincident. But man has no such full understanding of divine justice. Thus in the Trinity, as man would view it, the personalities of Father, Son, and Spirit are adjusted to co-ordinate ministry of love and law in the experiential universes of time.
7. THE OVERCONTROL OF SUPREMACY
10:7.1 The First, Second, and Third Persons of Deity are equal to each other, and they are one. “The Lord our God
is one God.” There is perfection of purpose and oneness of execution in the divine Trinity of eternal Deities. The Father, the Son, and the Conjoint Actor are truly and divinely one. Of a truth it is written: “I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no God.”10:7.2 As things appear to the mortal on the finite level, the Paradise Trinity, like the Supreme Being, is concerned only with the total—total planet, total universe, total superuniverse, total grand universe. This totality attitude exists because the Trinity is the total of Deity and for many other reasons.
10:7.3 The Supreme Being is something less and something other than the Trinity functioning in the finite universes; but within certain limits and during the present era of incomplete power-personalization, this evolutionary Deity does appear to reflect the attitude of the Trinity of Supremacy. The Father, Son, and Spirit do not personally function with the Supreme Being, but during the present universe age they collaborate with him as the Trinity. We understand that they sustain a similar relationship to the Ultimate. We often conjecture as to what will be the personal relationship between the Paradise Deities and God the Supreme when he has finally evolved, but we do not really know.
10:7.4 We do not find the overcontrol of Supremacy to be wholly predictable. Furthermore, this unpredictability appears to be characterized by a certain developmental incompleteness, undoubtedly an earmark of the incompleteness of the Supreme and of the incompleteness of finite reaction to the Paradise Trinity.
10:7.5 The mortal mind can immediately think of a thousand and one things—catastrophic physical events, appalling accidents, horrific disasters, painful illnesses, and world-wide scourges—and ask whether such visitations are correlated in the unknown maneuvering of this probable functioning of the Supreme Being. Frankly, we do not know; we are not really sure. But we do observe that, as time passes, all these difficult and more or less mysterious situations always work out for the welfare and progress of the universes. It may be that the circumstances of existence and the inexplicable vicissitudes of living are all interwoven into a meaningful pattern of high value by the function of the Supreme and the overcontrol of the Trinity.
10:7.6 As a son of God you can discern the personal attitude of love in all the acts of God the Father. But you will not always be able to understand how many of the universe acts of the Paradise Trinity redound to the good of the individual mortal on the evolutionary worlds of space. In the progress of eternity the acts of the Trinity will be revealed as altogether meaningful and considerate, but they do not always so appear to the creatures of time.
8. THE TRINITY BEYOND THE FINITE
10:8.1 Many truths and facts pertaining to the Paradise Trinity can only be even partially comprehended by recognizing a function that transcends the finite.
10:8.2 It would be inadvisable to discuss the functions of the Trinity of Ultimacy, but it may be disclosed that God the Ultimate is the Trinity manifestation comprehended by the Transcendentalers. We are inclined to the belief that the unification of the master universe is the eventuating act of the Ultimate and is probably reflective of certain, but not all, phases of the absonite overcontrol of the Paradise Trinity. The Ultimate is a qualified manifestation of the Trinity in relation to the absonite only in the sense that the Supreme thus partially represents the Trinity in relation to the finite.
10:8.3 The Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit are, in a certain sense, the constituent personalities of total Deity. Their union in the Paradise Trinity and the absolute function of the Trinity equivalate to the function of total Deity. And such completion of Deity transcends both the finite and the absonite.
10:8.4 While no single person of the Paradise Deities actually fills all Deity potential, collectively all three do. Three infinite persons seem to be the minimum number of beings required to activate the prepersonal and existential potential of total Deity—the Deity Absolute.
10:8.5 We know the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit as persons, but I do not personally know the Deity Absolute. I love and worship God the Father; I respect and honor the Deity Absolute.
10:8.6 I once sojourned in a universe where a certain group of beings taught that the finaliters, in eternity, were eventually to become the children of the Deity Absolute. But I am unwilling to accept this solution of the mystery which enshrouds the future of the finaliters.
10:8.7 The Corps of the Finality embrace, among others, those mortals of time and space who have attained perfection in all that pertains to the will of God. As creatures and within the limits of creature capacity they fully and truly know God. Having thus found God as the Father of all creatures, these finaliters must sometime begin the quest for the superfinite Father. But this quest involves a grasp of the absonite nature of the ultimate attributes and character of the Paradise Father. Eternity will disclose whether such an attainment is possible, but we are convinced, even if the finaliters do grasp this ultimate of divinity, they will probably be unable to attain the superultimate levels of absolute Deity.
10:8.8 It may be possible that the finaliters will partially attain the Deity Absolute, but even if they should, still in the eternity of eternities the problem of the Universal Absolute will continue to intrigue, mystify, baffle, and challenge the ascending and progressing finaliters, for we perceive that the unfathomability of the cosmic relationships of the Universal Absolute will tend to grow in proportions as the material universes and their spiritual administration continue to expand.
10:8.9 Only infinity can disclose the Father-Infinite.
Colter
Colter[/quote]
Quote 10:0.1 THE PARADISE TRINITY of eternal Deities facilitates the Father’s escape from personality absolutism. The Trinity perfectly associates the limitless expression of God’s infinite personal will with the absoluteness of Deity. The Eternal Son and the various Sons of divine origin, together with the Conjoint Actor and his universe children, effectively provide for the Father’s liberation from the limitations otherwise inherent in primacy, perfection, changelessness, eternity, universality, absoluteness, and infinity. 10:0.2 The Paradise Trinity effectively provides for the full expression and perfect revelation of the eternal nature of Deity. The Stationary Sons of the Trinity likewise afford a full and perfect revelation of divine justice. The Trinity is Deity unity, and this unity rests eternally upon the absolute foundations of the divine oneness of the three original and co-ordinate and coexistent personalities, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit.
10:0.3 From the present situation on the circle of eternity, looking backward into the endless past, we can discover only one inescapable inevitability in universe affairs, and that is the Paradise Trinity. I deem the Trinity to have been inevitable. As I view the past, present, and future of time, I consider nothing else in all the universe of universes to have been inevitable. The present master universe, viewed in retrospect or in prospect, is unthinkable without the Trinity. Given the Paradise Trinity, we can postulate alternate or even multiple ways of doing all things, but without the Trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit we are unable to conceive how the Infinite could achieve threefold and co-ordinate personalization in the face of the absolute oneness of Deity. No other concept of creation measures up to the Trinity standards of the completeness of the absoluteness inherent in Deity unity coupled with the repleteness of volitional liberation inherent in the threefold personalization of Deity.
There goes that Roman teaching of the trinity again. Even your own book steals from the Roman doctrine. Only yours is more confusing. Do you actually understand all this? It sounds like confusion.
The truth is simple
easy to understand
our scriptures are easy to remember, and quote
this is chaotic madness Colter,
with nothing else, or no other witnesses to back it up.Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2012,00:25) do you think the devil should know 
The devil is dead, he never was the God of this world, there is only one God.Colter
Quote (journey42 @ July 14 2012,01:04) Colter[/quote] Quote 10:0.1 THE PARADISE TRINITY of eternal Deities facilitates the Father’s escape from personality absolutism. The Trinity perfectly associates the limitless expression of God’s infinite personal will with the absoluteness of Deity. The Eternal Son and the various Sons of divine origin, together with the Conjoint Actor and his universe children, effectively provide for the Father’s liberation from the limitations otherwise inherent in primacy, perfection, changelessness, eternity, universality, absoluteness, and infinity. 10:0.2 The Paradise Trinity effectively provides for the full expression and perfect revelation of the eternal nature of Deity. The Stationary Sons of the Trinity likewise afford a full and perfect revelation of divine justice. The Trinity is Deity unity, and this unity rests eternally upon the absolute foundations of the divine oneness of the three original and co-ordinate and coexistent personalities, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit.
10:0.3 From the present situation on the circle of eternity, looking backward into the endless past, we can discover only one inescapable inevitability in universe affairs, and that is the Paradise Trinity. I deem the Trinity to have been inevitable. As I view the past, present, and future of time, I consider nothing else in all the universe of universes to have been inevitable. The present master universe, viewed in retrospect or in prospect, is unthinkable without the Trinity. Given the Paradise Trinity, we can postulate alternate or even multiple ways of doing all things, but without the Trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit we are unable to conceive how the Infinite could achieve threefold and co-ordinate personalization in the face of the absolute oneness of Deity. No other concept of creation measures up to the Trinity standards of the completeness of the absoluteness inherent in Deity unity coupled with the repleteness of volitional liberation inherent in the threefold personalization of Deity.
There goes that Roman teaching of the trinity again. Even your own book steals from the Roman doctrine. Only yours is more confusing. Do you actually understand all this? It sounds like confusion.
The truth is simple
easy to understand
our scriptures are easy to remember, and quote
this is chaotic madness Colter,
with nothing else, or no other witnesses to back it up.
Greek journy42, it was the Greeks who influenced the wrong concept of the Trinity which was subsequently adopted by the RCC. If you could understand the work I posted, Jesus isn't the second person of the Trinity.…..and that has been the persistent problem with the evolution of religion, If man can't understand something the he dumbs it down into something he can understand at the expense of “revelation”.
Because you don't understand or comprehend pre-existence or multiple divine Sons then it can't exist in your limited brain.
It's better to just have faith, those things that you cannot understand in time you will come to understand in eternity.
But maybe other people will be able to read this and understand what’s being said.
Colter
Revelation20:2. And he laid hold on the DRAGON,that old SERPENT,WHICH IS THE DEVIL AND SATAN,and BOUND HIM a thousand years.(future).
3. And cast HIM into the bottomless pit and shut HIM up.and set a seal upon HIM that he should DECEIVE THE NATIONS NO MORE, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed for a season.(future).
and you say ; satan is dead? or is the book of revelation just a myth concocted by the jews?
Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,07:52) Revelation20:2. And he laid hold on the DRAGON,that old SERPENT,WHICH IS THE DEVIL AND SATAN,and BOUND HIM a thousand years.(future). 3. And cast HIM into the bottomless pit and shut HIM up.and set a seal upon HIM that he should DECEIVE THE NATIONS NO MORE, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed for a season.(future).
and you say ; satan is dead? or is the book of revelation just a myth concocted by the jews?
You don't really read my answers do you???That portion of the Book of Revelation is past tense, it was referring to Jesus defeating Satan while on earth.
There is only One God, not a Satan God and a nice God, that's terrible theology.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,11:50) Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,07:52) Revelation20:2. And he laid hold on the DRAGON,that old SERPENT,WHICH IS THE DEVIL AND SATAN,and BOUND HIM a thousand years.(future). 3. And cast HIM into the bottomless pit and shut HIM up.and set a seal upon HIM that he should DECEIVE THE NATIONS NO MORE, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed for a season.(future).
and you say ; satan is dead? or is the book of revelation just a myth concocted by the jews?
You don't really read my answers do you???That portion of the Book of Revelation is past tense, it was referring to Jesus defeating Satan while on earth.
There is only One God, not a Satan God and a nice God, that's terrible theology.
Colter
Colter.satan is the god of this evil world we live in(he is false),and God is the God of all the God fearing,who have come out of babylon.
The true believers that does not follow the works of this evil world.The kingdom of God is coming,Jesus will set up his kingdom on earth after this babylon is destroyed,at his coming.
Anyone teaching a different gospel is not from God.
Jesus is coming with his saints.
Many are called but a few chosen.
God said,for the land is desolate(the christian world).
There is a femine,not of bread ,but of the word of God.
Feed on the flesh of christ,for it is food indeed (the word of God).wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,23:18) Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,11:50) Quote (Wakeup @ July 14 2012,07:52) Revelation20:2. And he laid hold on the DRAGON,that old SERPENT,WHICH IS THE DEVIL AND SATAN,and BOUND HIM a thousand years.(future). 3. And cast HIM into the bottomless pit and shut HIM up.and set a seal upon HIM that he should DECEIVE THE NATIONS NO MORE, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed for a season.(future).
and you say ; satan is dead? or is the book of revelation just a myth concocted by the jews?
You don't really read my answers do you???That portion of the Book of Revelation is past tense, it was referring to Jesus defeating Satan while on earth.
There is only One God, not a Satan God and a nice God, that's terrible theology.
Colter
Colter.satan is the god of this evil world we live in(he is false),and God is the God of all the God fearing,who have come out of babylon.
The true believers that does not follow the works of this evil world.The kingdom of God is coming,Jesus will set up his kingdom on earth after this babylon is destroyed,at his coming.
Anyone teaching a different gospel is not from God.
Jesus is coming with his saints.
Many are called but a few chosen.
God said,for the land is desolate(the christian world).
There is a femine,not of bread ,but of the word of God.
Feed on the flesh of christ,for it is food indeed (the word of God).wakeup.
I don't eat the flesh of Paganized Christian teaching, I'm not a vampire.You sound like a brainwashed robot parroting what you have been told to think.
You believe in 2 Gods, Jesus believed in 1 God, he proved your 2 God doctrine to be a wrong.
Satan would only be God by the collective of people who fear him, who perpetuate the theory of his divinity, who relegate power to him by default of faith in his existence.
You further the lie of Satan.
To me Satan is a cigar butt.
Colter
Wakeup………Why a “BOTTOMLESS” Pit? The answer to that question will explain what a Satan (IS) . Remember the word “bottomless” means there is no end to (IT)> The term Satan is a term for an Evil Adversarial “Spirit” and becasue it is SPIRIT it can not Die but (IT) be contained By GOD, And the reason it is portrayed in a “Bottomless” Pit is because there is not end to Evil existence (it) must be Mastered by the Spirit of GOD, Good and Evil are both endless there is no end to either as long as there is life, Symbolism confuses man Wakeup. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Wakeup………………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 15 2012,03:43) Wakeup………Why a “BOTTOMLESS” Pit? The answer to that question will explain what a Satan (IS) . Remember the word “bottomless” means there is no end to (IT)> The term Satan is a term for an Evil Adversarial “Spirit” and becasue it is SPIRIT it can not Die but (IT) be contained By GOD, And the reason it is portrayed in a “Bottomless” Pit is because there is not end to Evil existence (it) must be Mastered by the Spirit of GOD, Good and Evil are both endless there is no end to either as long as there is life, Symbolism confuses man Wakeup. IMO peace and love to you and yours Wakeup………………………………………………………….gene
The Bible presents Satan as a real person. If Satan was not a real person then it is the Bible that has mislead people.The mental gymnastics and rationalizations that Gene and other self deceptive people go through sounds just like president Obama trying to say everything is ok in the American economy. Gene sounds like a politician.
See, these people simply DON'T believe that Satan was real, but they can't disagree with the Bible so they bend the Bile around to fit themselves by evaluating certain words and diminishing others.
Colter
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 15 2012,03:43) Wakeup………Why a “BOTTOMLESS” Pit? The answer to that question will explain what a Satan (IS) . Remember the word “bottomless” means there is no end to (IT)> The term Satan is a term for an Evil Adversarial “Spirit” and becasue it is SPIRIT it can not Die but (IT) be contained By GOD, And the reason it is portrayed in a “Bottomless” Pit is because there is not end to Evil existence (it) must be Mastered by the Spirit of GOD, Good and Evil are both endless there is no end to either as long as there is life, Symbolism confuses man Wakeup. IMO peace and love to you and yours Wakeup………………………………………………………….gene
Geneb.The soul that sinned it shall die.(dead).
Mat.25:41.Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand; Depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire,PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:
wakeup.
Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,01:17) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2012,00:25) do you think the devil should know
The devil is dead, he never was the God of this world, there is only one God.Colter
Colter.And when was the devil murdered,or killed?And where is it in scripture?
So he is not guilty one after all; of all the evil that is going on today.
So who is the guilty one?IYO?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 15 2012,08:06) Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,01:17) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2012,00:25) do you think the devil should know
The devil is dead, he never was the God of this world, there is only one God.Colter
Colter.And when was the devil murdered,or killed?And where is it in scripture?
So he is not guilty one after all; of all the evil that is going on today.
So who is the guilty one?IYO?wakeup.
Satan wasn't murdered, he was defeated in righteousness by Jesus.John's revelation was in part a retrospective, but that book did not survive intact. It was the last and most controversial book to be added to the cannon by the RCC.
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
The UB reveals that just prior to Jesus' public career he holds conference with the rebels and they are then and there taken into custody by the universe authorities.
Evil comes from the human heart, people just conveniently blame it on the devil. We may be influenced by the events of the past but sin is a choice.
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ July 15 2012,12:36) Colter. So where is the devil now?
And what is he up to since he was defeated?wakeup.
Lucifer and Satan were taken into custody by the universe courts just before Jesus was baptised, they were put on trial and once found guilty they were obliterated “their place was found no more”Prince Caligastia, “the prince of this world” was effectively neutered, unable to carry out any of his nefarious plans although he was still here on earth at the time of the Urantia revelation. We have no way of knowing if he has been tried yet. Only those evil persons like Satan worshippers can come close to him by choice.
Colter
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 15 2012,10:43) Wakeup………Why a “BOTTOMLESS” Pit? The answer to that question will explain what a Satan (IS) . Remember the word “bottomless” means there is no end to (IT)> The term Satan is a term for an Evil Adversarial “Spirit” and becasue it is SPIRIT it can not Die but (IT) be contained By GOD, And the reason it is portrayed in a “Bottomless” Pit is because there is not end to Evil existence (it) must be Mastered by the Spirit of GOD, Good and Evil are both endless there is no end to either as long as there is life, Symbolism confuses man Wakeup. IMO peace and love to you and yours Wakeup………………………………………………………….gene
edjNO,it is bottomless ,because there is no way for anyone to receive anything from God in it ,
so as long we are in opposition to God we will not receive nor blessings ,help,beside of what is available to all ,
Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,08:17) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2012,00:25) do you think the devil should know
The devil is dead, he never was the God of this world, there is only one God.Colter
colteryeah ,you are one of his servants ,Satan likes to work in the dark places ,undercover ,slimmy way,the father of lies,and so is best defence ,is “tell everyone that He does not exist “
two ways exist ;the truth of God found in the scriptures.
and ; the lies of Satan found in men that reject the truth of God.no doubt were you stand,right
Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2012,00:35) Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,08:17) Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2012,00:25) do you think the devil should know
The devil is dead, he never was the God of this world, there is only one God.Colter
colteryeah ,you are one of his servants ,Satan likes to work in the dark places ,undercover ,slimmy way,the father of lies,and so is best defence ,is “tell everyone that He does not exist “
two ways exist ;the truth of God found in the scriptures.
and ; the lies of Satan found in men that reject the truth of God.no doubt were you stand,right
Jesus knows what it is like to be so hated, they said all these mean things about him as well.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 14 2012,13:38) The mental gymnastics and rationalizations that Gene and other self deceptive people go through sounds just like president Obama trying to say everything is ok in the American economy. Gene sounds like a politician. See, these people simply DON'T believe that Satan was real, but they can't disagree with the Bible so they bend the Bile around to fit themselves by evaluating certain words and diminishing others.
With this I agree. I see the same bending of the Bible when it comes to the pre-existence of Jesus and to the Trinity Doctrine.
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