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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,06:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,14:08) [You (WJ) will need to study this for a while for you to grasp “Bible Truth”=117!
1) I don't need to study any of your ambiguous numbering system which is full of flaws.2) I have the Holy Spirit to lead me in to the truth. I don't need to understand truth by numbers. Jesus didn't say the numbers will lead you to the secret Bible code. Foolishness created by a lonely self appointed prophet of the day.
3) Where in the NT or the writings of the early Fathers did they use numbers.
4) For the gemetria system to be true you would have to use the system on the original manuscripts and languages.
WJ
EDQuote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,15:02) 1) Yet you believe 'your views' are rock solid? (Prob.18:13)
Circular!Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,15:02) 2) Are you determining that truth only originates within you? (Prob.25:2)
Gen.2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
False accusation and diversion!Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,15:02) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 3:12)
I can remember well one of my first conversations with a Muslim. One of the first things he did was to accuse the Church of suppressing the Gospel of Barnabas. He said that if I read this Gospel I would see that Jesus foretold the coming of Muhammad. (Maybe you have heard or said something like this yourself?) I had never heard of the Gospel of Barnabas so I sat there silently. However I wanted to know whether or not the Gospel of Barnabas was true so a bought a copy from a Muslim bookshop and began to study it. The following article is a summary of my results. I hope that you find it helpful. SourceQuote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,15:02) 4) It is in the original manuscripts as well! (see my signature) (And Click Here) <– Forth Post Down
So you read Hebrew and Greek? Where is “Gemetria” mentioned by the early Fathers or in the scriptures by the Apostles or Jesus. Please answer this question with facts Ed not just your conjecture!
Jesus went arround saying “hey guys, to have eternal life you must know the secret code found in the scriptures using gemetria.”
WJ
Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,15:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,14:17) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,14:12) You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical. Just because you say so doesn't make it so. He physically walked and talked in the Garden with Adam and Eve, et al…maybe they were metaphysical too and didn't exist.
My Bible says God is Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit. John 4:24 – 2 Cor 3:17WJ
WJ,So, who walked in the Garden? Genesis 3:8
Can't hide from “spirit”….”its” everywhere.
Spirit makes footprint sounds?
One step at a time..ok?
God who is Spirit can take on any form that he wants at anytime! Do you limit him?
WJQuote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,15:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,13:42) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,13:30) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,12:46) Davidbfun said; Quote But the Word (Jesus, SON of God) can not be God (Father), biological absurdity. Word (son) = Father (God)
Of course the son cannot be the father biologically. But the son can be ontologically the same as the father.Son of Man = Man.
Son of God = God (though not the Father).
KJ
Hello Roo,How can he metaphysically be the same as the Father. If he is then we are, too.
You agreed that the son cannot be the Father and then you add BUT he can be ontologically.
That's not what the Bible is saying….there is no if's, ands, or buts. He is the son of God….physically. Not “meta”.
Ontology; a field that came into existence in the 1700s.
What's next? Logic doesn't work and the Bible doesn't work what other -ology do you want to use to disprove the Bible? Scientology ?
There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.The burden of proof is on you to show how Jesus is of another kind of God or less in nature than the Father.
Jesus is the Monogenes (only of its kind) Son of God.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you are of your Fathers kind (Human or man).
Jesus is of the Fathers kind, God.
So men stumble over the simplicity of it. But then again scritpures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.
The last laugh is on you for the word says…
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and “the Word was God” John 1:1
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of One and Only,(Monogenes) came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John 1:18
WJ
WJ & Roo,Let's stop at only one idea, please.
You said, “There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.”
I asked for only ONE that says DIRECTLY that Jesus is God without you telling me what it means.
There are over 100 saying that he is the son of God.
I gave you several in my post.Thomas own testimony is Jesus is his Lord and God.
Do you not believe his testimony?
How about the testimony of the Father himself…
But unto the Son he saith, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever“: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:8
The Angels are commanded to worship him.
How about you?
WJ
WJ
Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,15:11) Quote (davidbfun @ July 28 2010,15:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,13:42) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,13:30) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,12:46) Davidbfun said; Quote But the Word (Jesus, SON of God) can not be God (Father), biological absurdity. Word (son) = Father (God)
Of course the son cannot be the father biologically. But the son can be ontologically the same as the father.Son of Man = Man.
Son of God = God (though not the Father).
KJ
Hello Roo,How can he metaphysically be the same as the Father. If he is then we are, too.
You agreed that the son cannot be the Father and then you add BUT he can be ontologically.
That's not what the Bible is saying….there is no if's, ands, or buts. He is the son of God….physically. Not “meta”.
Ontology; a field that came into existence in the 1700s.
What's next? Logic doesn't work and the Bible doesn't work what other -ology do you want to use to disprove the Bible? Scientology ?
There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.The burden of proof is on you to show how Jesus is of another kind of God or less in nature than the Father.
Jesus is the Monogenes (only of its kind) Son of God.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you are of your Fathers kind (Human or man).
Jesus is of the Fathers kind, God.
So men stumble over the simplicity of it. But then again scritpures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.
The last laugh is on you for the word says…
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and “the Word was God” John 1:1
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of One and Only,(Monogenes) came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John 1:18
WJ
WJ & Roo,Let's stop at only one idea, please.
You said, “There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.”
I asked for only ONE that says DIRECTLY that Jesus is God without you telling me what it means.
There are over 100 saying that he is the son of God.
If the “Word” is God and became flesh, who was in Heaven in charge?Still haven't answered if Jesus is:
Son of God?
God, the Son?
You limit God to a specific geographical place.He is omnipresent.
Was the Father in Jesus? Then how could he be in heaven?
WJ
Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,14:53) A son is going to look like his Father and Jesus made that fact very clear.
Hopefully you are getting it.You look like your Father because you are human like your Father.
Only Jesus can make the claim if you have seen me you have seen God when asked by Philip show us the Father (God).
Jesus is the “Monogenes” (only of its kind) Son of God.
You still have not explained if Jesus is of Gods kind how he cannot be God.
You are of your Fathers kind which is human aren't you?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,06:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,14:08) [You (WJ) will need to study this for a while for you to grasp “Bible Truth”=117!
1) I don't need to study any of your ambiguous numbering system which is full of flaws.2) I have the Holy Spirit to lead me in to the truth. I don't need to understand truth by numbers. Jesus didn't say the numbers will lead you to the secret Bible code. Foolishness created by a lonely self appointed prophet of the day.
3) Where in the NT or the writings of the early Fathers did they use numbers.
4) For the gemetria system to be true you would have to use the system on the original manuscripts and languages.
WJ
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Hi WJ,
1) Yet you believe 'your views' are rock solid? (Prob.18:13)
2) Are you determining that truth only originates within you? (Prob.25:2)
Gen.2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
4) It is in the original manuscripts as well! (see my signature) (And Click Here) <– Forth Post Down
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,01:20) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,01:20) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Hi WJ,How quickly we change our words…
'Where in the NT or the writings of the early Fathers did they use numbers'Mal:3:6: For I the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Psalm 15:4: In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoreth them
that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Prob.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,02:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) [quote=Ed J,July 28 2010,01:20]3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,02:10) [Hi WJ, How quickly we change our words…
'Where in the NT or the writings of the early Fathers did they use numbers'
Like I said, is that all you have?Is that the only Father you can drum up with a paragraph?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,18:13) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,02:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) [quote=Ed J,July 28 2010,01:20]3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,02:10) [Hi WJ, How quickly we change our words…
'Where in the NT or the writings of the early Fathers did they use numbers'
Like I said, is that all you have?Is that the only Father you can drum up with a paragraph?
WJ
Hi WJ,Click Here <– Sixth Post Down
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,08:51) You still have not explained if Jesus is of Gods kind how he cannot be God.
“If Jesus is of God's kind, how can he not be God.”Your above statement (slightly altered for grammatical reasons) is like saying the following:
If Eve is of Adam's kind, how can she not be Adam.
See the mistake WJ? You have been repeating this mistake on Heaven Net for years and yet you are somehow not able to feel embarrassment while your error is exposed.
Rather should you not say:
If Eve is of Adam's kind how can she not be adam.
Or
“If Jesus is of God's kind, how can he not be divine.”NOTE: 'adam' (without the definite article) is the word for 'man' or 'mankind'. So when it says that God made man, male and female, it is saying that God made adam, male and female. And we know that God made 'Adam' male. So there is a difference between Adam and adam.
Once again, I have to point out to you WJ, that you have no idea of the difference between identifying someone and qualifying them. This is why you cannot rightly divide some scriptures such as John 1:1.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,08:51) You still have not explained if Jesus is of Gods kind how he cannot be God. Quote (t8 @ July 28 2010,05:31) If Eve is of Adam's kind, how can she not be Adam.
t8No it is real simple. You have identity and qualiity mixed up.
The title God does not qualify identity does it? Even you admit that.
You keep saying that John 1:1c should be taken qualitatively yet you can not prove that assumption.
And whats worse is you keep making this claim though you cannot tell us how “qualitatively” “theos” in John 1:1c is less “God” or “Divine” than “theos” in John 1:1b.
It's a simple question t8, is Eve less “Human” qualitatively than Adam? You have never answered this question.
Not is Eve less “adam” qualitatively than Adam. (this is your false premise).
But you have invented this little excercise of yours to deceive the simple minded.
WJ
Quote (t8 @ July 28 2010,05:31) So when it says that God made man, male and female, it is saying that God made adam, male and female.
No it is not saying that t8. That is what you are saying. It says…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Gen 1:27
It doesn't only say he made “Adam” male and female.
It says male and female created he THEM
So are you saying that Jesus is a female god that came from the God? No Adam and Eve are equally human. It doesn't take a degree to see that truth.
WJ
t8 said
Quote If Eve is of Adam's kind, how can she not be Adam.
t8,This is exactly what I think. After the man and the woman sinned God said, “Behold, the Adam has become as one of Us, to know good and evil.”
Again when God kicked them out of the garden it says, “And the Lord God drove out the Adam.”
So the man and the woman together shared the identity of “the Adam.” And they both shared the quality of “the Adam.”
This is how I see John 1:1. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and [the] God was the Word.
Example:
“In the garden was the Woman, and the Woman was with the Adam, and [the] Adam was the Woman.
Note this too. In Genesis 6:3 God said, “My Spirit shall not always strive in the Adam.” Again in verse 5 God referred to the wickedness of the Adam.
Quality cannot be separated from identity for quality is an integral part of identity. But distinctions of persons and individuality must be maintained.
Roo
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,01:20) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Hi WJ,What do you have besides Matt.28:19?
Did Jesus speak of 'trinity' anywhere?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,00:18) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,01:20) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Hi WJ,What do you have besides Matt.28:19?
Did Jesus speak of 'trinity' anywhere?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDYou just said it, Matt 28:19.
I accept all the scriptures, how about you?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2010,01:45) Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,00:18) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,01:20) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Hi WJ,What do you have besides Matt.28:19?
Did Jesus speak of 'trinity' anywhere?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDYou just said it, Matt 28:19.
I accept all the scriptures, how about you?
WJ
Hi WJ,Is that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that?
How about confirming Mathew's words with some additional
words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of 'trinity'
or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!Ed J (Prob.18:25-27)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,09:58) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2010,01:45) Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,00:18) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,01:20) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Hi WJ,What do you have besides Matt.28:19?
Did Jesus speak of 'trinity' anywhere?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDYou just said it, Matt 28:19.
I accept all the scriptures, how about you?
WJ
Hi WJ,Is that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that?
How about confirming Mathew's words with some additional
words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of 'trinity'
or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!Ed J (Prob.18:25-27)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Jesus words is not enough for you. HA HA.Jesus spoke of the “Three” but he never speaks of Gemetria does he.
So there is your Trinity in 66 books!
I can imagine you saying to Jesus “Is that all you have?”.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2010,04:36) Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,09:58) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2010,01:45) Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,00:18) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,17:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,01:20) 3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 8:12-13: Click Here)
EDIs that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that? How about confirming his words with some words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of gemetria or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!
WJ
Hi WJ,What do you have besides Matt.28:19?
Did Jesus speak of 'trinity' anywhere?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDYou just said it, Matt 28:19.
I accept all the scriptures, how about you?
WJ
Hi WJ,Is that all you have? You want me to sink my teeth in that?
How about confirming Mathew's words with some additional
words from the scriptures like maybe Jesus speaking of 'trinity'
or the Apostles or for that matter anyone in all 66 books of the Bible!Ed J (Prob.18:25-27)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Jesus words is not enough for you. HA HA.Jesus spoke of the “Three” but he never speaks of Gemetria does he.
So there is your Trinity in 66 books!
I can imagine you saying to Jesus “Is that all you have?”.
WJ
Hi WJ,HA Ha ha, aHa ha ha ha!!
Glad to see you've got a sense of humor!
So much for “Gematria”=74 NOT being in “The Bible”; huh?
Are you fimular with “The Three” Major Feasts of YHVH(out of seven total)?God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.“The Trinity”=148
“The Passover“=148
[74+74=148]
Jesus=74 + cross=74 = (פסח=148) “The Passover”=148“Pentecost“=117
“Former Rain”=117
(Jesus was alive on day FOUR)
63=”YHVH” RAISED BACK TO LIFE,
+54 days after the 'cross': STARTED…
117=”Pentecost” [63+54=117]
“The Latter Rain”=151
“Feast of Booths“=151
(Feast [of] Tabernacles=151)
“Jesus is Lord”=151, because
“HolySpirit”=151 (Jesus' Father) is…
“The LORD JEHOVAH”=151
Click Here for more“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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