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Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,13:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,13:26) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,13:11) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,04:46) Davidbfun said; Quote But the Word (Jesus, SON of God) can not be God (Father), biological absurdity. Word (son) = Father (God)
Of course the son cannot be the father biologically. But the son can be ontologically the same as the father.Son of Man = Man.
Son of God = God (though not the Father).
KJ
Hi Jack,“Bible Truth”: Jesus lineage is clearly written in “The Bible”; why put the systems of religion above Bible Truth?
The systems of religion and traditions of men do communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)
50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
There is no scripture that uses the term “Son of the Holy Spirit”! Please present a scripture that says “Son of the Holy Spirit”.The systems of religion and traditions of men do communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.WJ
Hi WJ,Ed was perfectly clear in the verses Mt 1:18, 20; Lu 1:35
Matthew 1:18 ….before they came together she was found to be with child “by the Holy Spirit”.
v. 20 the Child who has been conceived in her is “of the Holy Spirit.”Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
Luke not only explains how the Holy Spirit is going to impregnate Mary (in vitro) but that the Holy Spirit is God.
DavidThe Holy Spirit is involved in every conception but does that mean we are “Sons of the Holy Spirit”?
The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The Holy Spirit is the creative agent of conception just as you read above and in Genesis when the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the waters.
But the above scripture says the “power of the highest” (the Father) overshadowed her.
There is no scripture that says we are children of the Holy Spirit nor was Jesus a Son of the holy Spirit.
EDj believes the Holy Spirit is the Father. Do you believe this?
WJ
WorshippingJesus said:
Quote So simple men stumble over it. But then again scripures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.
Yes Keith. Jesus is a stumbling stone to those who do not believe.Jack
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:46) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32) Ed J said: Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)
50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
How does one reply to baby drivel?
the Roo
Hi Jack,Does this mean you reject Bible Truth?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
It means your 50% Son of Man and 50% Son of God formula is unintelligible. I don't know how to reply to such a high level of nonsense. It's goo goo ga ga.the Roo
Hi Jack,You always appear to be at a loss of words to sound Biblical Doctrine! (Eph.4:13-14)
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,13:53) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:46) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32) Ed J said: Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)
50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
How does one reply to baby drivel? the Roo
Hi Jack,Does this mean you reject Bible Truth?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
It means your 50% Son of Man and 50% Son of God formula is unintelligible. I don't know how to reply to such a high level of nonsense. It's goo goo ga ga.the Roo
Hi Jack,You always appear to be at a loss of words to sound Biblical Doctrine! (Eph.4:13-14)
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDThere is no sound doctrine in your teachings.
Percentages are not found in the Bible for the “Ontology” of the Savour.
That is merely your theory and the teachings of a man and not God.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,05:51) David …
There is no scripture that says we are children of the Holy Spirit nor was Jesus a Son of the holy Spirit.
EDj believes the Holy Spirit is the Father. Do you believe this?
WJ
Hi WJ,Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods;
and all of you are children of the most High.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:53) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:46) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32) Ed J said: Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)
50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
How does one reply to baby drivel? the Roo
Hi Jack,Does this mean you reject Bible Truth?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
It means your 50% Son of Man and 50% Son of God formula is unintelligible. I don't know how to reply to such a high level of nonsense. It's goo goo ga ga.the Roo
Hi Jack,You always appear to be at a loss of words to sound Biblical Doctrine! (Eph.4:13-14)
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgGeorg said to ED J:
Quote Ed like I said, you're a nut…. WW got started, with one shot, from a nut.
Georg
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=30the Roo
Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,14:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,05:51) David …
There is no scripture that says we are children of the Holy Spirit nor was Jesus a Son of the holy Spirit.
EDj believes the Holy Spirit is the Father. Do you believe this?
WJ
Hi WJ,Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods;
and all of you are children of the most High.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Where is it at?I don't see the term “Children of the Holy Spirit” there!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,05:42) There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God. The burden of proof is on you to show how Jesus is of another kind of God or less in nature than the Father.
Jesus is the Monogenes (only of its kind) Son of God.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you are of your Fathers kind (Human or man).
Jesus is of the Fathers kind, God.
So men stumble over the simplicity of it. But then again scritpures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.
The last laugh is on you for the word says…
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and “the Word was God” John 1:1
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of One and Only,(Monogenes) came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John 1:18
WJ
Hi WJ,This is what you have been taught in the systems of religion!
The systems of religion and traditions of men do communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.God(HolySpirit) is: “The Word”(John 1:1)!
Jesus is: “a word” … NOT “THE WORD”!(Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number!
(Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1)
“God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63.You (WJ) will need to study this for a while for you to grasp “Bible Truth”=117!
In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74;
also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74.
Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).one hundred and forty four thousand=373 (Rev.14:3)
JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS=373 (John 19:19)It's a simple matter of simple number associations, I will illustrate what they mean…
I'm lining up these ideas up better for you to see what the numbers represent; OK?The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!
Hebrew=Greek
(86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime)
(ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs)God=86 in Hebrew and “The Word”=86 in Greek ARE EQUAL.
Theomatic numbers to prime number counterparts. (John 1:1)This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics
The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74).
In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!
“The Owner” > “Owner “
JEHOVAH > Jesus
86 > 74The… “Paradox” is (JEHOVAH)God(=86) is both equal and unequal to (greater than and equal to) Jesus=74(God Son=74)!
HolySpirit151 is The LORD JEHOVAH151 and the HolySpirit's Son is “Jesus Christ”151! (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)
John 1:1: “The Word”(HolySpirit) is God(The LORD JEHOVAH). And our family goes by the title (AKJV) LORD of Hosts=151!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
[URL=http://www.holycitybiblecode.org]http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,06:01) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:53) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:46) Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2010,05:37) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,05:32) Ed J said: Quote 50% “Son of Man” = “Son of Mary” (Matt.1:18 / Matt:1:20 / Mark 6:3 / Luke 1:35)
50% “Son of God” = “Son of The HolySpirit” (Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35)
How does one reply to baby drivel? the Roo
Hi Jack,Does this mean you reject Bible Truth?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
It means your 50% Son of Man and 50% Son of God formula is unintelligible. I don't know how to reply to such a high level of nonsense. It's goo goo ga ga.the Roo
Hi Jack,You always appear to be at a loss of words to sound Biblical Doctrine! (Eph.4:13-14)
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgGeorg said to ED J:
Quote Ed like I said, you're a nut…. WW got started, with one shot, from a nut.
Georg
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=30the Roo
Hi Jack,2Cor:10:12: For we dare not make ourselves of the number,
or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves:
but they measuring themselves by themselves, and
comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,12:34) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,12:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,10:03) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,09:53) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,01:39) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,07:05) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2010,11:41) Quote (JustAskin @ July 23 2010,20:02) Jesus is both 'Son of God' and 'Son of Man'
Exactly, Son of God and Son of Man.Son of man = man
Son of God = God
Jesus is both God and man for he is the Word that was with God and was God who took on the likeness of sinfull flesh and became the “Monogenes” (only of its Kind) Son of God.
Sorry JA, there is only “One” Monogenes Son of God!
WJ
Hi WJ,If Jesus is God, how can he be His son? Son of God….
Thats like saying “If your Father is a man (human) then how can you be man (human)?
Keith,They don't get it!
Jack
True.They do not understand “God” is a title that classifies a being in a metaphysical class of his own.
All other “gods” (theos) are not (of his kind).
Jesus is the “Monogenes” (only of its kind) Son of God.
They hate the truth that is before them.
Jesus said they hate the light and will not come to it. He also says he is the light and men will not come to him.
This claim could only mean he is God because if not then Jesus was speaking blashemous words for demanding men come to him and not to God.
WJ
Hello WJ,The point is missed, “Jesus is the son of God.”
Again, son means that he is a male offspring coming FROM Him….and cannot be Him whom he comes from.[B][U]
I am not saying that he is “Him who he comes from”, that is a Modalist view.The fact is Jesus is the “Monogenes” (only of its Kind) Son of God which means he has the exact nature of his Father which is God, just like you have the exact nature of your Father which is man or human.
Are the titles “God” and “Son of God” antithetical?
WJ
Hi WJ and Roo,You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical. Just because you say so doesn't make it so. He physically walked and talked in the Garden with Adam and Eve, et al…maybe they were metaphysical too and didn't exist.
The Titles God and Son of God aren't related and therefore cannot be opposites. Are apples opposite of oranges?
The Title “Son of God” is referring to a specific individual, Jesus, who is the physcial, only one of its kind, son of God, who became the son of Man.
As someone else put it “son of God” is also a function of Jesus.
The Title “God” could refer to a myriad of individuals and beings.
If you meant to say that the son of God is NOT God then that is true.
Again, you are avoiding the problem/question:
Is Jesus “the son of God”? OR
Is Jesus, “God, the son”?You keep side-tracking the people to talk about something else. Why not answer a simple, straight-forward question?
Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,14:08) [You (WJ) will need to study this for a while for you to grasp “Bible Truth”=117!
I don't need to study any of your ambiguous numbering system which is full of flaws.I have the Holy Spirit to lead me in to the truth. I don't need to understand truth by numbers. Jesus didn't say the numbers will lead you to the secret Bible code. Foolishness created by a lonely self appointed prophet of the day.
Where in the NT or the writings of the early Fathers did they use numbers.
For the gemetria system to be true you would have to use the system on the original manuscripts and languages.
WJ
Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,14:12) You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical. Just because you say so doesn't make it so. He physically walked and talked in the Garden with Adam and Eve, et al…maybe they were metaphysical too and didn't exist.
My Bible says God is Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit. John 4:24 – 2 Cor 3:17WJ
Davidbfun said:
Quote You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical. Just because you say so doesn't make it so
You have in essence said that God does not have being. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the EXACT representation of God's substance. The word “exact” is the Greek “charakter” which means “indistinguishable.”In other words, if the Father and the Son could be put under a microscope you could not tell which was which.
“He that has seen Me has seen the Father.”
the Roo
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 27 2010,14:28) Davidbfun said: Quote You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical. Just because you say so doesn't make it so
You have in essence said that God does not have being. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the EXACT representation of God's substance. The word “exact” is the Greek “charakter” which means “indistinguishable.”In other words, if the Father and the Son could be put under a microscope you could not tell which was which.
“He that has seen Me has seen the Father.”
the Roo
Amen!WJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,14:28) Davidbfun said: Quote You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical. Just because you say so doesn't make it so
You have in essence said that God does not have being. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the EXACT representation of God's substance. The word “exact” is the Greek “charakter” which means “indistinguishable.”In other words, if the Father and the Son could be put under a microscope you could not tell which was which.
“He that has seen Me has seen the Father.”
the Roo
Hi Keith and Jack,Now you are getting it.
A son is going to look like his Father and Jesus made that fact very clear.
AND you are right that the father has a physical form similar to his son, because his son looks like him AND said so.
From your own proofs the son cannot be his Father. However, he would look like Him.
Who do you look like? Father and Mother, no? Maybe grandparents, too?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,06:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2010,14:08) [You (WJ) will need to study this for a while for you to grasp “Bible Truth”=117!
1) I don't need to study any of your ambiguous numbering system which is full of flaws.2) I have the Holy Spirit to lead me in to the truth. I don't need to understand truth by numbers. Jesus didn't say the numbers will lead you to the secret Bible code. Foolishness created by a lonely self appointed prophet of the day.
3) Where in the NT or the writings of the early Fathers did they use numbers.
4) For the gemetria system to be true you would have to use the system on the original manuscripts and languages.
WJ
Hi WJ,1) Yet you believe 'your views' are rock solid? (Prob.18:13)
2) Are you determining that truth only originates within you? (Prob.25:2)
Gen.2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:3) Did you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? (Barnabas 3:12)
4) It is in the original manuscripts as well! (see my signature) (And Click Here) <– Forth Post Down
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,13:42) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,13:30) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,12:46) Davidbfun said; Quote But the Word (Jesus, SON of God) can not be God (Father), biological absurdity. Word (son) = Father (God)
Of course the son cannot be the father biologically. But the son can be ontologically the same as the father.Son of Man = Man.
Son of God = God (though not the Father).
KJ
Hello Roo,How can he metaphysically be the same as the Father. If he is then we are, too.
You agreed that the son cannot be the Father and then you add BUT he can be ontologically.
That's not what the Bible is saying….there is no if's, ands, or buts. He is the son of God….physically. Not “meta”.
Ontology; a field that came into existence in the 1700s.
What's next? Logic doesn't work and the Bible doesn't work what other -ology do you want to use to disprove the Bible? Scientology ?
There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.The burden of proof is on you to show how Jesus is of another kind of God or less in nature than the Father.
Jesus is the Monogenes (only of its kind) Son of God.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you are of your Fathers kind (Human or man).
Jesus is of the Fathers kind, God.
So men stumble over the simplicity of it. But then again scritpures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.
The last laugh is on you for the word says…
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and “the Word was God” John 1:1
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of One and Only,(Monogenes) came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John 1:18
WJ
WJ & Roo,Let's stop at only one idea, please.
You said, “There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.”
I asked for only ONE that says DIRECTLY that Jesus is God without you telling me what it means.
There are over 100 saying that he is the son of God.
Quote (davidbfun @ July 28 2010,15:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,13:42) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,13:30) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,12:46) Davidbfun said; Quote But the Word (Jesus, SON of God) can not be God (Father), biological absurdity. Word (son) = Father (God)
Of course the son cannot be the father biologically. But the son can be ontologically the same as the father.Son of Man = Man.
Son of God = God (though not the Father).
KJ
Hello Roo,How can he metaphysically be the same as the Father. If he is then we are, too.
You agreed that the son cannot be the Father and then you add BUT he can be ontologically.
That's not what the Bible is saying….there is no if's, ands, or buts. He is the son of God….physically. Not “meta”.
Ontology; a field that came into existence in the 1700s.
What's next? Logic doesn't work and the Bible doesn't work what other -ology do you want to use to disprove the Bible? Scientology ?
There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.The burden of proof is on you to show how Jesus is of another kind of God or less in nature than the Father.
Jesus is the Monogenes (only of its kind) Son of God.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you are of your Fathers kind (Human or man).
Jesus is of the Fathers kind, God.
So men stumble over the simplicity of it. But then again scritpures tell us that men would stumble over the Rock of truth.
The last laugh is on you for the word says…
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and “the Word was God” John 1:1
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of One and Only,(Monogenes) came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. John 1:18
WJ
WJ & Roo,Let's stop at only one idea, please.
You said, “There are plenty of scriptures that says Jesus is God.”
I asked for only ONE that says DIRECTLY that Jesus is God without you telling me what it means.
There are over 100 saying that he is the son of God.
If the “Word” is God and became flesh, who was in Heaven in charge?Still haven't answered if Jesus is:
Son of God?
God, the Son?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,14:17) Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,14:12) You don't realize that God isn't metaphysical. Just because you say so doesn't make it so. He physically walked and talked in the Garden with Adam and Eve, et al…maybe they were metaphysical too and didn't exist.
My Bible says God is Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit. John 4:24 – 2 Cor 3:17WJ
WJ,So, who walked in the Garden? Genesis 3:8
Can't hide from “spirit”….”its” everywhere.
Spirit makes footprint sounds?
One step at a time..ok?
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