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Hi KAT,
Trying to create confusion is not the way of God.
If you do not know God come to the Lord Jesus and he will reconcile you with Him.Quote (katjo @ June 04 2010,13:00) Hey nick, you quotted; The father is our God and His son Jesus can be your Lord, so tell me who is the Lord God? Theres only one Lord. katjo
keto! There is Lord, who is Jesus. Lord of Lords and King of Kings. And LORD with Capital letters who is Jehovah God…IreneQuote (katjo @ June 04 2010,13:00) Hey nick, you quotted; The father is our God and His son Jesus can be your Lord, so tell me who is the Lord God? Theres only one Lord. katjo
Hi Katjo,Isn't it funny how some people keep arguing over the same garbage
over and over and over again and again and again.First: [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā translates directly into English as YHVH. (AKJV Bible: JEHOVAH)
Secondly: [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă translates directly into English as Joshua. (AKJV Bible: Jesus)[אדני] Âdônây in Hebrew means: “Lord” or “Owner” and is akin to
[Κύριος] kü-rē-ŏs in Greek meaning “The Same”: “Lord” or “Owner”“YOU” CANNOT argue with this “Bible Truth”! (LORD: means Owner)
I will orchestrate my explanation around the term “Owner”.
The AKJV Bible uses: Lord for [יהשוע] and LORD for [יהוה].The names have been changed to protect the innocent! (Acts.18:15)
In the red corner it's “The Trinitarian” VERSUS “The non-Trinitarians”
in the blue corner: in a nonsensical useless battle over word structures.
This nonsensical fight is merely over word structures like master, king, Lord, Creator and God.
I will illustrate just how ridiculous their fight is: it's like the Abbot and Costello skit: who's on first!
I will illustrate my point using the term “Owner”, because this word adds clarity that the others lack.The Trinitarians say: Jesus is “The Owner”.
The non-Trinitarians reply: Jesus is NOT “The Owner”, Jesus' Father is “The Owner”!The Same issue: A Closer Examination
Technically Jesus is: “owner” but NOT “THE OWNER”!
This can be clearly seen and understood using the word “Owner”!Jehovah is “The Owner” and Jesus is The Son of “The Owner”.
Jehovah CANNOT DIE, so Jehovah will ALWAYS remain “The Owner”!
A Son can 'only' become become fully “The Owner” if the Parents die,
which in JEHOVAH's case cannot happen; because GOD CANNOT DIE!Now Change “The Word“, (Ha Ha Ha, ha ha ha) GET IT; That's exactly what both sides are doing!
They change “THE WORD” with useless substitutes like [†] master, King, Lord, Creator and God.
In this matter “The Word”(HolySpirit) is clear! 1Thess.4:8 He therefore that despiseth,
Here despiseth not man, but “GOD“, who hath also given unto us HIS HOLY SPIRIT.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.[1Cor15]
So now we do know know him according to the flesh but the Spirit.[2Cor5]
Now the Lord is the Spirit and the Spirit is eternal, created all things and inspired the scriptures and the prophets.NOPE! SORRY IRENE, BUT THE LORD GOD IS IN ALOT OF SCRIPTS, WITH NO CAPITALS!
iF JESUS IS NOT GOD THAN EXPLAIN;1.Why Thomas calls Jesus God in John 20:28? ( Thomas addresses Jesus specifically.)
Why does God call Jesus God in Heb. 1:8? why does John the apostle state that Jesus was the Word which was God that became flesh (John 1:1,14)?
Why is the phrase “Call upon the name of the LORD” (Hebrew, YHWH, i.e., Psalm 116:4) used only of God on the OT, and translated into the Greek in the LXX as “Call upon the name of the LORD (greek, KURIOS),” applied to Jesus in the NT (1 Cor. 1:2) if Jesus is not God in flesh?What did Jesus say that caused the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was making Himself out to be God (John 8:58)?
How was it possible for Jesus to know all things (John 21:17)?
How can Jesus know all men (John 16:30)?
How can Jesus be everywhere (Matt. 28:20)?
How can Jesus, the Christ, dwell in you (Col. 1:27)?
How can Jesus be the exact representation of the Nature of God (Heb. 1:3)?
How can Jesus be eternal (Micah 5:1-2)?
How can Jesus be the one who gives eternal life (John 10:27-28)?
How can He be our only Lord and Master (Jude 4)?
How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) if there is only one God in existence (Isaiah 44:6-8; 45:5)?
How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) and “God” also be called the Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21?
How was Jesus able to raise Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21)?
How can Jesus create all things (Col. 1:16-17), yet it is God who created all things by Himself (Isaiah 44:24)?
How can Jesus search the hearts and minds of the people (Rev. 2:23)?
Why was Jesus worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6) when He says to worship God only (Matt. 4:10)? (same Greek word for worship is used in each place.)
In the OT God was seen (Exodus 6:2-3; 24:9-11; Num. 12:6-9; Acts 7:2), yet no man can see God (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18). It was not the Father that was seen in the OT (John 6:46). Who, then were they seeing? See John 8:58.
Then why did Jesus claim the divine name, “I AM”, for Himself in John 8:58? see Exodus 3:14.
Then why did Jesus say you must honor him even as you honor the Father (John 5:23)?
Then why is it that both the Father and the Son give life (John 5:21)?
Then why did Jesus bear witness of Himself (John 8:18; 14:6)?Why is He the Alpha and Omega, First and Last, beginning and the end, The Almighty in Rev? (Other books too)
ow, and the Ever lasting Father?
If everyone is denying ALL THOSE SCRIPTS than you truly dont know who Jesus is.katjo
Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2010,11:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 04 2010,05:07) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 03 2010,14:59) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,13:24) Hi BD, If you asking one question to me per-Post is not for you to learn, why would you?
If your waging a 'spiritual battle' against me and my God “YHVH”, you already 'lost three times now'!
So why would you persist in such 'folly'? Perhaps this is what 'your' god teaches in the 'hadiths'; it does AND YOU KNOW IT DOES!Psalm 120:7 I for peace: but when I speak,
they are for war. Last Post here
You don't speak for God and seldomly about God.
You say your God “YHVH” and in saying “your God YHVH” you disrespect YHVH acting as if there are other gods he competes with:YOU ARE LOST Brother
Hi BD,If you can stick to one point at a time,
we can discuss this matter; OK?Ed J
Yes, discuss
Hi BD,You can start by asking a question; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Is Jesus the Lamb of God or the lambs of God?Hi KAT,
Yes who he said he is
The Christ, the Son of the living God.
But you do not agree with Peter?Quote (bodhitharta @ June 04 2010,14:19) Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2010,11:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 04 2010,05:07) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 03 2010,14:59) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,13:24) Hi BD, If you asking one question to me per-Post is not for you to learn, why would you?
If your waging a 'spiritual battle' against me and my God “YHVH”, you already 'lost three times now'!
So why would you persist in such 'folly'? Perhaps this is what 'your' god teaches in the 'hadiths'; it does AND YOU KNOW IT DOES!Psalm 120:7 I for peace: but when I speak,
they are for war. Last Post here
You don't speak for God and seldomly about God.
You say your God “YHVH” and in saying “your God YHVH” you disrespect YHVH acting as if there are other gods he competes with:YOU ARE LOST Brother
Hi BD,If you can stick to one point at a time,
we can discuss this matter; OK?Ed J
Yes, discuss
Hi BD,You can start by asking a question; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Is Jesus the Lamb of God or the lambs of God?
Hi BD,Is God more than one Spirit, because he resides in more then one person at the same time?
The term “Lamb” is an allegory for the Messiah.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgyou must be a really fast reader Nick, that just posted and you already re-plyed. You dont read to try to understand. sorry, your own loss!
katjo
Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2010,14:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 04 2010,14:19) Quote (Ed J @ June 04 2010,11:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 04 2010,05:07) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 03 2010,14:59) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,13:24) Hi BD, If you asking one question to me per-Post is not for you to learn, why would you?
If your waging a 'spiritual battle' against me and my God “YHVH”, you already 'lost three times now'!
So why would you persist in such 'folly'? Perhaps this is what 'your' god teaches in the 'hadiths'; it does AND YOU KNOW IT DOES!Psalm 120:7 I for peace: but when I speak,
they are for war. Last Post here
You don't speak for God and seldomly about God.
You say your God “YHVH” and in saying “your God YHVH” you disrespect YHVH acting as if there are other gods he competes with:YOU ARE LOST Brother
Hi BD,If you can stick to one point at a time,
we can discuss this matter; OK?Ed J
Yes, discuss
Hi BD,You can start by asking a question; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Is Jesus the Lamb of God or the lambs of God?
Hi BD,Is God more than one Spirit, because he resides in more then one person at the same time?
The term “Lamb” is an allegory for the Messiah.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So isn't the scapegoat 1Quote (bodhitharta @ June 04 2010,16:05) So isn't the scapegoat 1
Hi BD,The one goat was killed and the other goat (the skapegoat) was driven into the wilderness to remain alive.
This “Shadow Picture” relates to Jesus because…
1) After Jesus “baptism” he was led by the HolySpirit into the wilderness.
(which is also another “Shadow Picture” of the Gospel of Jesus Christ)
2) As the first goat was killed for the sins of the people, so also was Jesus killed for the sins of the people.
3) And as the second goat was released alive, God The Father raised Jesus back to life (to never die again).God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPlease refer my earlier post wherein it is said
“The early Christian confession of Jesus as Lord did not, in the minds of the early Christians, mean they had abandoned Jewish monotheism in favor of pagan polytheism. They still affirmed the existence of one God. Yet somehow this one God now includes the one Lord, Jesus Christ”
What a tragedy on part of Christianity to invent such polytheistic concepts which deviated from its mother religion that is the religion of Jesus.
Adam,
You are correct that many that call themselves Christian have chosen to fellow false teachings and some of those erronously teach that Jesus is God. Jesus and his servants warned that this would happen in scripture. It is sad that it has but be careful not to blame all those who call themselves Christian for what some have done. It certainly apears that you are doing that. Perhaps that was unintentional.
Your felow student,
Kerwin
Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2010,21:28) Adam, You are correct that many that call themselves Christian have chosen to fellow false teachings and some of those erronously teach that Jesus is God. Jesus and his servants warned that this would happen in scripture. It is sad that it has but be careful not to blame all those who call themselves Christian for what some have done. It certainly apears that you are doing that. Perhaps that was unintentional.
Your felow student,
Kerwin
Hi brother Kerwin,
Thank you very much for such agreement. But the problem with most of Christianity is the same as I mentioned in my post above. Many pose themselves as following monotheism of the Bible but at the same time they preach that somehow Jesus is divine along with one God. Here only I got frustration and started thinking in Jewish terms so that I can at least be nearer to the religion of Hebrew Bible.Thanks and peace to you
AdamQuote (katjo @ June 03 2010,22:17) NOPE! SORRY IRENE, BUT THE LORD GOD IS IN ALOT OF SCRIPTS, WITH NO CAPITALS!
iF JESUS IS NOT GOD THAN EXPLAIN;
1.Why Thomas calls Jesus God in John 20:28? ( Thomas addresses Jesus specifically.)
Why does God call Jesus God in Heb. 1:8? why does John the apostle state that Jesus was the Word which was God that became flesh (John 1:1,14)?
Why is the phrase “Call upon the name of the LORD” (Hebrew, YHWH, i.e., Psalm 116:4) used only of God on the OT, and translated into the Greek in the LXX as “Call upon the name of the LORD (greek, KURIOS),” applied to Jesus in the NT (1 Cor. 1:2) if Jesus is not God in flesh?What did Jesus say that caused the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was making Himself out to be God (John 8:58)?
How was it possible for Jesus to know all things (John 21:17)?
How can Jesus know all men (John 16:30)?
How can Jesus be everywhere (Matt. 28:20)?
How can Jesus, the Christ, dwell in you (Col. 1:27)?
How can Jesus be the exact representation of the Nature of God (Heb. 1:3)?
How can Jesus be eternal (Micah 5:1-2)?
How can Jesus be the one who gives eternal life (John 10:27-28)?
How can He be our only Lord and Master (Jude 4)?
How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) if there is only one God in existence (Isaiah 44:6-8; 45:5)?
How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) and “God” also be called the Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21?
How was Jesus able to raise Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21)?
How can Jesus create all things (Col. 1:16-17), yet it is God who created all things by Himself (Isaiah 44:24)?
How can Jesus search the hearts and minds of the people (Rev. 2:23)?
Why was Jesus worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6) when He says to worship God only (Matt. 4:10)? (same Greek word for worship is used in each place.)
In the OT God was seen (Exodus 6:2-3; 24:9-11; Num. 12:6-9; Acts 7:2), yet no man can see God (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18). It was not the Father that was seen in the OT (John 6:46). Who, then were they seeing? See John 8:58.
Then why did Jesus claim the divine name, “I AM”, for Himself in John 8:58? see Exodus 3:14.
Then why did Jesus say you must honor him even as you honor the Father (John 5:23)?
Then why is it that both the Father and the Son give life (John 5:21)?
Then why did Jesus bear witness of Himself (John 8:18; 14:6)?Why is He the Alpha and Omega, First and Last, beginning and the end, The Almighty in Rev? (Other books too)
ow, and the Ever lasting Father?
If everyone is denying ALL THOSE SCRIPTS than you truly dont know who Jesus is.katjo
Hi KatjoAmen! Good Post!
WJ
Hi WJ,
Now the Lord is the Spirit.
Jesus was known as the Christ before he was anointed.
The anointing of Christ was spoken of as inspiring the prophets.[1Peter1]
Jn14-16 mainly concentrates on teaching about the Spirit of God's promised manifestation among men.Romans 8 also speaks of that Spirit in many ways but the Spirit of God is one.
The bible has an unusual way of teaching that defies the logical measures that men would try to build to grasp it. It is spiritual so seek the Spirit.
Quote (t8 @ June 04 2010,10:27) There is LORD, Lord, and lord. You need to know the difference instead of mashing it all together.
Tell that to the inspired authors who translated “LORD” as “Lord” (e.g. Isaiah 40:3 with Matthew 3:3).The difference between LORD and Lord in the old testament is not carried over into the new testament. The new testament is our rule of faith.
Kangaroo Jack
Hi KJ,
Rule of faith?
You must first seek the kingdom.
Dig deep and lay your foundation on rock and let the cornerstone be laid.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2010,05:38) Hi KJ,
Rule of faith?
You must first seek the kingdom.
Dig deep and lay your foundation on rock and let the cornerstone be laid.
Nick,Show the difference between LORD and Lord in the new testament. The distinction disappears in the new teatament.
t8 is stuck in the old testament.
KJ
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