The Trinity Doctrine

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,08:12)

YHVH is not a name it is His nature because that's what name in hebrew refers to, a quality or nature:

God bless you!

Hi BD,

YHVH is a Name! All Hebrew names have meanings, and God's name(YHVH) is NO different.
YHVH=63 means: “causes to become” as in “I”(YHVH) “will Be”=63!

Drop satan's 'book of fraud'=114, it has 'only' gotten you confused concerning YHVH!

April 29, 2010 at 10:50 pm#189274

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Exodus 3:15-16 (King James Version)

15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Your using a translation which deletes the name of God from the text and replaces it with a title LORD this is what it says again…In my Bible (The Jerusalem Bible)

God also said to Moses, ‘Say this to the people of Israel,”Yahweh [YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.”
This is my name FOREVER, and thus I am to be remembered throughout ALL GENERATIONS.’” Exodus 3:15

LORD is a title not a name, Allah is Arabic for God, if I walked into a room of people and yelled out “Hey you”- who exactly do I want? Mr, Mrs, Man, Woman, God, Lord all Titles, it could mean anyone anything. (Dont you have a personal name?)

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the Earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Matthew 4:9 The Devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory.
And he said to him, All these things will I give you, if you will go down on your face and give me worship.

Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not of this world. If my Kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight, that I wouldn't be delivered to the Jews.
But now my Kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

1 John 5:19 … the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

April 29, 2010 at 10:52 pm#189275

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Sorry Ed that last post was for Bod I didnt know you had posted! And I forgot to address it to Him (see how important a name can be!)

April 29, 2010 at 11:06 pm#189279

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Why isn't Jesus mentioned in the OT at all by name?

Because he is mentioned in the NT (by name), and he is also mentioned in the Quran (but its a different Jesus).

What, different Jesus? Have you ever met the original Jesus?

Hi Bod

Ah, yes I have.

What different Jesus? Like I said earlier..

Son of God Not Son of God
Born in a Manger Born under a Palm tree
Died on the Cross Didnt die on the Cross
Returns as King and Lord for ever Will return, marry, die, and be buried.

And im sure theres plenty more differences.

Galatians 1:6-9
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel– which is really no gospel at all.
Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned”….

April 30, 2010 at 12:01 am#189289

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Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,10:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,08:12)

YHVH is not a name it is His nature because that's what name in hebrew refers to, a quality or nature:

God bless you!

Hi BD,

YHVH is a Name! All Hebrew names have meanings, and God's name(YHVH) is NO different.
YHVH=63 means: “causes to become” as in “I”(YHVH) “will Be”=63!

Drop satan's 'book of fraud'=114, it has 'only' gotten you confused concerning YHVH!

Is God's NAME “Jealous”? Yes or No?

April 30, 2010 at 12:22 am#189294

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Quote (karmarie @ April 30 2010,10:50)

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Exodus 3:15-16 (King James Version)

Your using a translation which deletes the name of God from the text and replaces it with a title LORD this is what it says again…In my Bible (The Jerusalem Bible)

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

1 John 5:19 … the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

Karmarie,

Didn't God blind them?

and doesn't God create evil and peace?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6-8

Whether it be good, or whether it be evil, we will obey the voice of the LORD our God, to whom we send thee; that it may be well with us, when we obey the voice of the LORD our God.
Jeremiah 42:5-7

And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Exodus 4:10-12

You see how you don't study, you just take what you like and disregard the rest. I simply Submit to ALLAH

Don't speak ignorantly of God as if he has lost control over His own creation.

As far as 1 John 5:19 if you stand by that what about this:

1 John 5:18 (King James Version)

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Do you sin? If you say yes then you are not born of God according to this scripture and if you are not born of God why is it I should listen to you?

April 30, 2010 at 12:34 am#189297

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Quote (karmarie @ April 30 2010,11:06)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,07:56)

Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2010,20:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,16:01)

Why isn't Jesus mentioned in the OT at all by name?

Because he is mentioned in the NT (by name), and he is also mentioned in the Quran (but its a different Jesus).

What, different Jesus? Have you ever met the original Jesus?

Hi Bod

Ah, yes I have.

What different Jesus? Like I said earlier..

Son of God Not Son of God
Born in a Manger Born under a Palm tree
Died on the Cross Didnt die on the Cross
Returns as King and Lord for ever Will return, marry, die, and be buried.

And im sure theres plenty more differences.

Same Jesus but still the difference is in the Gospels God is not telling the story of Jesus, is HE?

The Quran is information from heaven not from earth.

Where in the gospels do you read that God told them to write down those words.

Now as far as Galatians:

You should not take the word of God out of context here is what Galatian 1:6-9 refers to:

Galatians 2:2-9 (King James Version)

2And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

3But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

4And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

5To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Now that you have been taught correctly please do not continue to preach falsely.

April 30, 2010 at 1:09 am#189304

942767

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Hi BD:

Karamie has done an excellent job of showing you the truth, and so, the only thing that I can do is to pray for you, and that I will do.

She listed all of the verses in the Quran that deny that Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God”. I need to make a copy of her post for future reference.

No, if my God says that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whoever believes should not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16) and your god through the Quran says that He didn't they are not the same God, and we know that there is “Only one true God”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

April 30, 2010 at 2:24 am#189316

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miRLlxMurnI&feature=related

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Thats all we can do Marty is pray that the strength of the Almighty may help..

Bod, I dont have time to reply atm to your posts but here are some videos to watch….I hope you do watch them.

Its in 6 parts start with the first.

2- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5M1bKMug4Y&feature=related

3- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-9NHvT2SEo&feature=related

4- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdlMyUCNZoc&feature=related

5- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hObwDjwLy4&feature=related

6- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBTCktJTJ2o&feature=related

April 30, 2010 at 2:38 am#189319

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,12:01)

Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,10:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,08:12)

YHVH is not a name it is His nature because that's what name in hebrew refers to, a quality or nature:

God bless you!

Hi BD,

YHVH is a Name! All Hebrew names have meanings, and God's name(YHVH) is NO different.
YHVH=63 means: “causes to become” as in “I”(YHVH) “will Be”=63!

Drop satan's 'book of fraud'=114, it has 'only' gotten you confused concerning YHVH!

Is God's NAME “Jealous”? Yes or No?

Hi BD,

God's Name (יהוה) means: “causes to become”.

YHVH is a Jealous God.

Don't let “Human” translators confuse you either.
Exodus 34:14: For thou shalt worship no other god:
for the LORD, whose name (YHVH) Jealous, a jealous God:
This verse is descriptive of God, not the meaning of his name.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 30, 2010 at 3:14 am#189323

942767

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Hi BD:

Here is one that I found on You-Tube that might interest all of us.

Love in Christ,
Marty

April 30, 2010 at 3:43 am#189329

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Quote (942767 @ April 30 2010,15:14)

Hi BD:

Here is one that I found on You-Tube that might interest all of us.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 30, 2010 at 4:12 am#189334

942767

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Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,15:43)

Quote (942767 @ April 30 2010,15:14)

Hi BD:

Here is one that I found on You-Tube that might interest all of us.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED:

I was not aware that there was already some discussion regarding this video. I appreciate you calling it to my attention. I had not seen this video before I posted it.

However, I am familiar with Walid Shoebat, and I do agree with the fact that Islam is Anti-Christ because it denies the Father and the Son.

Love in Christ,
Marty

April 30, 2010 at 5:24 am#189350

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Quote (942767 @ April 30 2010,16:12)

Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,15:43)

Quote (942767 @ April 30 2010,15:14)

Hi BD:

Here is one that I found on You-Tube that might interest all of us.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED:

I was not aware that there was already some discussion regarding this video. I appreciate you calling it to my attention. I had not seen this video before I posted it.

However, I am familiar with Walid Shoebat, and I do agree with the fact that Islam is Anti-Christ because it denies the Father and the Son.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

“The truth is the truth regardless who says it”! (an Ed J quote)
I'm just glad you joined in the discussion with me and
Karmarie regarding BD and the 'book of fraud'=114.

Muslims themselves consider 'the quran'(114 Suras) to be 666. (Click here)

Here is that video you linked to…

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 30, 2010 at 7:24 am#189374

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Quote (942767 @ April 30 2010,13:09)

Hi BD:

Karamie has done an excellent job of showing you the truth, and so, the only thing that I can do is to pray for you, and that I will do.

She listed all of the verses in the Quran that deny that Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God”. I need to make a copy of her post for future reference.

Love in Christ,
Marty

So please explain in what literal way God can have a son?

Wouldn't God have to have a gender to literally have a child?

I do not doubt that relationship can be “like” something without it being literal.

Do you doubt that when the scripture says that God said to Jesus “On this day I have begotten thee”?

Is that a literal begetting on that day?

Jesus taught us to pray “Our Father” are we literally children of God or are we creations of God?

God is not a Man but the bible is not very clear is it?

Exodus 15:3 (Young's Literal Translation)

3Jehovah [is] a man of battle; Jehovah [is] His name.

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Numbers 23:18-20

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
Job 9:31-33

And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
1 Samuel 15:28-30

Now you say that Jesus is the only begotten son of God but wait how is it?:

And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:21-23

Can a firstborn precede an only begotten?

So is Israel the firstborn of God?

My point here is to demonstrate the poetry of Hebrew/the Torah and the Old Testament.

In modern times it becomes very unclear and even in the NT do you believe that the devil can have children?

It's silly but at the time it was a good analogy or metaphor.

I only show you these things not to take away anything from you but to add understanding to your knowledge, it's because I truly Love you all:

Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exodus 19:3-5

There were no literal eagles wings that brought the Israelites out of egypt, right?

Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.
Psalm 57:1-3

Does God really have wings?

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Malachi 4:1-3

You won't find these things in the Quran, you will not read that God is a man or that he has wings you will not find any sort of description that equates HIM with his creation and this is why:

Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255)

Say: He is Allah, the one and only;
( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #1)

Stop setting up images and Love God in Spirit and Truth.

GOD IS A SPIRIT

April 30, 2010 at 7:25 am#189375

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Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,14:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,12:01)

Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,10:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,08:12)

YHVH is not a name it is His nature because that's what name in hebrew refers to, a quality or nature:

God bless you!

Hi BD,

YHVH is a Name! All Hebrew names have meanings, and God's name(YHVH) is NO different.
YHVH=63 means: “causes to become” as in “I”(YHVH) “will Be”=63!

Drop satan's 'book of fraud'=114, it has 'only' gotten you confused concerning YHVH!

Is God's NAME “Jealous”? Yes or No?

Hi BD,

God's Name (יהוה) means: “causes to become”.

YHVH is a Jealous God.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I know what it means but you want to discard the scripture that says that His name is Jealous?

Is His name Jealous or is the scripture incorrect?

April 30, 2010 at 7:31 am#189376

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Quote (942767 @ April 30 2010,16:12)

Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,15:43)

Quote (942767 @ April 30 2010,15:14)

Hi BD:

Here is one that I found on You-Tube that might interest all of us.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED:

I was not aware that there was already some discussion regarding this video. I appreciate you calling it to my attention. I had not seen this video before I posted it.

However, I am familiar with Walid Shoebat, and I do agree with the fact that Islam is Anti-Christ because it denies the Father and the Son.

Love in Christ,
Marty

How can calling Jesus the Christ be anti-Christ?

So now you seem to believe that Christ=Son

Are you Christ? You said that you were a son of God, so are you Christ?

I guess you are since you're a Christian, right?

Well Muslims Love Jesus and all know Jesus is Christ so how is it you must pervert the truth to feel good about your beliefs?

There is absolutely not one anti-Jesus remark in the Quran. In-fact it clears Jesus of false charges against him:

Saying that Jesus proclaimed that he was God and other such lies

April 30, 2010 at 7:43 am#189378

http://www.walidshoebat.net/articles/walid-shoebat-666.htm

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Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,17:24)

From your link look at this:

“Below are photos of Greek symbols translated in the Bible as 666, based on Free Jesus.net: The gold symbol (bottom and right) is Arabic for “Allah” when turned and mirrored.”

Basically when you distort the truth you can create anything like:

The minister has the number 666 tattooed on his arm. … Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, a minister, says he is God. • De Jesus preaches that there is no devil and no sin …

http://www.cegenglish.com/

The number 666 is the number of His name, José Luís de Jesús – The Man Christ Jesus. In this number there is prosperity an knowledge (Revelation 13:18).

As it is written, “Length of days is in the right hand; and in the left, riches and honor” (Proverbs 3:16), it can be seen that the tattoos of the Man Christ Jesus are the fulfillment of the Scripture. In fact, all biblical conditions of the second coming of the Lord are fulfilled by Apostle Jose Luis De Jesus. In his right arm he has SSS that stands for “Salvo Siempre Salvo” (Saved Always Saved in Spanish) which means length of days (immortality) and in his left arm the 666 synonymous with riches (1 Kings 10:14). The tattoos of the SSS and the 666 are not human whims or marketing strategies to draw attention (as the ignorant claim), but rather they are simply part of the prophetic fulfillment of the coming of the Lord. The following are 10 truths that have driven more than 30 nations to mark themselves with the mark of the beast:

1. The objective of hosting special “666 Tattoo Days” is to educate humanity about the mission of the Man Christ Jesus and the true meaning of the book Revelations.

2. The mission of the Man Christ Jesus is to undo the apostasy in which religion has placed upon the church by preaching a false gospel (2nd Thessalonians 2:8, Galatians 1:6-9).

http://www.cegenglish.com/index.p….emid=38

So there is this Christian minister who says that he is the anti-Christ.

You see how this goes? Anyone can speculate besides Marty Islam is not a “Man”

Images are forbidden in Islam so there would be no worship of the image of the beast or statues.

All you have to do is put your ignorance and prejudise aside and Learn, it's really that simple.

April 30, 2010 at 8:01 am#189380

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,19:25)

Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,14:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,12:01)

Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,10:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2010,08:12)

YHVH is not a name it is His nature because that's what name in hebrew refers to, a quality or nature:

God bless you!

Hi BD,

YHVH is a Name! All Hebrew names have meanings, and God's name(YHVH) is NO different.
YHVH=63 means: “causes to become” as in “I”(YHVH) “will Be”=63!

Drop satan's 'book of fraud'=114, it has 'only' gotten you confused concerning YHVH!

Is God's NAME “Jealous”? Yes or No?

Hi BD,

God's Name (יהוה) means: “causes to become”.

YHVH is a Jealous God.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I know what it means but you want to discard the scripture that says that His name is Jealous?

Is His name Jealous or is the scripture incorrect?

Hi BD,

God's Name is [יהוה], which translates into English as YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā.
You present a 'faulty question' (like the [yes / no] 'one'=34 before)!
I answered your question, I don't fall for satanic trickery!
Is your goal an attempt to disprove God's word?
The Old “Testament” was written in Hebrew.
Do you know how to Speak Hebrew?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 30, 2010 at 9:01 am#189385